Conference hydra::dejavu

Re .0:

Welcome to DEJAVU as an active participant.

       > ................................ I saw this creepy hand in front
       >of my face so I look up to see who it was when I saw this DEMON and
       >his EYES were strange there was like a light coming from them, 
       >they were hypnotic and his body was kind of dark brown with a
       >yellowish light coming out from it it's very hard to tell 
       >because I've never seen that color before. ...
	> ...
       >Well that was my story, I did encounter the same experience twice
       >since then but these I did not see anything just the present in the
       >room, ....

From the description, it was frightening, but didn't stick around.  It's
hard to say just what it might have been, given those circumstances.  However,
if it's some sort of noncorporeal entity, on the basis of what you've described,
it sounds more like the equivalent of an "obscene" phone caller than an actual
menace.

I've had an experience or two where I've sensed a presence, but nothing's
materialized in front of me.  Not in the same league at all.

Steve Kal;lis, Jr.

    Consider the possibility it was a dream.  I know, I know,
    it didn't "feel" like you were dreaming.  But not all dreams
    do.  I consider this to be a strong possibility.
    
    Joel
    

    I wouldn't say, as Steve, that this is equivalent to an obscene phone
    caller.  Having had visitions mostly like a presence, but with dream
    like vision and physical contact, this may be more like someone or
    thing measuring you, assessing level of ability.  The initial
    visitation may have caused an instinctive protective reaction (which
    you may not have necessarily noticed).  Once visited, you instinctively
    react sooner, and prevent the presence from more than just being
    sense.  It may be too weak to deal with you fully awake, but can harm
    you if almost asleep AND you let it (mentally/emotionally).
    
    I know the feeling.  You're in a state where moving or speaking is
    almost impossible, but once you do, the contact vanishes.
    
    What is it about this state that "permits" visitations for
    unfriendlies?
    
    Beth

    re: .3
    
    Jean,  I've known Steve through his notes for several years now and I
    assure you that his response was not in any way a comment on your
    writing.
    
    Note that he said that it sounded like "the *equivalent* of an obscene
    phone caller."  I believe what he meant was that, whatever it was,
    it was trying to scare you to get its own kicks and probably wouldn't
    do you real harm.
    
    Mary

Re .3 (Jean):

Mary caught what I meant.  In .6, she says:

    >Note that he said that it sounded like "the *equivalent* of an obscene
    >phone caller."  I believe what he meant was that, whatever it was,
    >it was trying to scare you to get its own kicks and probably wouldn't
    >do you real harm.
  

Perhaps you're not, plagued with obscene phone calls; in the U.S., particularly
in largely settled areas, some people call up strangers and harass them with
what are collectively termed "obscene phone calls," ranging from heavy breathing
to suggestions of actions that the listener would probably consider to be 
obscene.

Obviously, such a caller dies this to bother the listener; the caller is 
(usually) unlikely to do anything other than talk.

Since there was an incident you feel reluctant to talk about (and I'm not 
suggesting that you speak on anything you're reluctant to), all I've read
sounds more like psychological warfare than physical (or psychic) danger.

FWIW, you're far more proficient in English than I an in any other language.
I never criticize someone writing in a second language (and seldom on the
ability to write) in a first language.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Whenever I have felt an unfriendly...I always tell them to "Go to your
    higher good" or something like that...What I'm wanting to tell them and
    *this works* by the way is to get back on whatever path they were
    originally on and stop messing around with me!  

    	juanita

    Jean,
    
        I'm not suggesting you talk about something you're not comfortable
    discussing here, but why are you reluctant to talk about the latter
    experience?   I assume it was a similar expereience.  Maybe by looking
    a bit closer at the latter event (I get the feeling it was more
    terrifying or possibly too personal) you might be able to shed some
    light on the other occurrances.  Peace.
    
                                                             Capt. Scott

    I can kind of understand what you're saying here.  Sometimes when I'm
    lying in bed at night I can "feel" something over me or close by BUT
    when I look there is nothing there.  I can honestly say that I'm glad I
    don't see it for fear of seeing something I wish not to see.
    
    I too have been reading this conference for a long time but have only
    posted in it once (last note on #71 (I think it's 71 - "Detecting a
    Prescence").  In that one I relayed the story of when my grandmother
    died (we were very close) and for 2 years thereafter I could feel her
    prescence in my room (which used to be hers) every night just around
    3am.  What really blew my mind is I was visiting one of my brothers
    some years later and after a in-depth coversation found out he used to
    get her nightly visits too!
    
    One thing I am very curious about is WHY do some people get these
    feelings more than others?  The house we live in was built 1913 and I
    grew up across the street (I used to play in the house too) and knew
    the owners and renters thereafter very well but I do get the feeling
    something is there.  Not that it's evil but I really hate being tuned
    into feeling this presence.  It really does scare me.  I try the white
    light thing but I still don't feel real secure.  By reading this notes
    file I've been able to deal with this much better but still don't like
    those feelings.
    
    Comments anyone?
    
    

    I get this feeling too - it always happens in the dark but not always
    when I'm lying in bed at night. Just the other night I was going
    downstairs and actually felt something brush by me on the landing.
    I couldn't SEE anything, but it sure felt like something was there.
    I noticed something else too - if I'm walking around I catch myself
    actually moving out of the way and when I catch myself and ask myself
    why I just moved the answer is because I FELT a presence, but there's
    never really anything there.

    You guy's have been watching too much B grade horror. YOu get a
    crawling sensation on your skin and you think PRESENCE! Me? I just
    think, hmmm, more reverberations in the biological machine.
    
    Recently, I was camping along the Connecticut river on a sand bar. It
    got kind of crowded as some other people camped on the other end of the
    bar. They were playing some music as I went to sleep. I thought I was
    awake when I heard a raccoon dragging a pocket radio approach the tent.
    When it bumped the tent I awoke with a start. It was so vivid that I
    checked in the sand for tracks the next day! I would have been even
    more surprised if there had been some! 
    	Another time I dreamed about a UFO. It was a fairly normal dream
    until it approached my house and sucked me out of my body. That scared
    me pretty good!
    	The interface between "other" realities and dream states is not
    clearly defined. Memory is categorized according to muscular states,
    which also are readily subject to outside influence. Beings with an
    accurate knowledge of your body states can simulate experience that are
    a combination of muscular suggestion and your mental images. Your are
    left(if you examine the experience critically) with a puzzle.... was it
    internally generated or external?
    
    john

    
  I decided to tell you about the other stories "experience" that I had since   
  the my childhood.
    
    The first experience that I can remember of it was when I was about
    2 years old ( I have to tell you that I remember things when I was not
    even 1 years of age ) so I have a pretty good memory of what happen to
    me the first time. Back then I was sharing a bedroom with my two other
    brothers,my bed was in the middle of their beds I remember waking up
    and looking toward the window and there was light outside NOT the
    sunlight but more like the light from the lightning but in suspension 
    because there was no flashing and in the sky there was a head with
    with huge black eyes looking at me, so I took my blanket and cover my
    head and after a few minutes I looked to see if it was there BUT this
    time the head was close to the window outside so I started to scream
    and asking my brother for help but they told me to be quiet and to go
    back to sleep,I look at the window again this time IT look angry at
    because I was'nt quiet,at that point I got so scared that I ran to my 
    parents room to hide from it. that was the end of that story.
    
    I know what you are going to tell me ( YOU MUST HAVE DREAM ALL OF THIS
    ) BUT I say NO! because this experience is so vivid in my mind I
    remember everything.
    
    The story I'm about to tell you is the one I did not want to tell you
    in note 1530. 
    
    It happen last december.One night I went to be I fell asleep and
    started dreaming , in my dream I was in that big ballroom I think it
    was in the years 1930 because everything was Art Deco I remember
    looking at the furnitures it so nice, I love Art Deco so I told myself
    that I should talk to one of my friend who is an antique dealer about
    the furnitures that I saw, at that point it was strange because my
    friend was in bed with me I was telling him about what I saw in my
    dream BUT than I got concious that I was dreaming and that my friend 
    could'nt be in bed beside me at the same instant I felt THAT thing in 
    the bedroom right to my left I could'nt see it but could follow it with
    my eyes new exactly where it was standing I was paralyse I tried t
    scream for help to my girlfriend who was in the living room typing on
    her typing machine I tried to move but I felt like something was 
    holding me I tried to scream again and but this time my voice came out
    screaming HELP BRANDA COME HERE, I heard her stopping her typing on the 
    machine and I could hear her foot step coming down the hall she came in
    the room I was on my side still could'nt move and look up to see her
    face, there was something strange about her she did not say anything
    and started to open her bathrobe bringing her breast to my face THAT is
    when I realise that it was a trap by that thing who tried to mislead me
    by the illusion that I was save .I could not take it anymore and scream
    NO!,I took all the strength that I had jump out the bed and ran to the 
    living room and there was my Branda looking and asking me what was
    wrong with ,so after I finish to tell her my story I ask her to come to
    bed with me,that night I did not sleep. 
                                            
    That was not a nightmare IT WAS REAL and it was not the first time,but
    that one was terrifying.
    
    Jean.
    

        I understand what you are saying and wouldn't dare to minimize your
    feelings about this, though some might.  There is so much in our
    realities we don't understand...I wish I had some advice, but there are
    others here that can offer more/better advice than.  All I can say is
    that when I feel invaded like that I ask for and visualize protection. 
    Wish I could be of more help.  Also, I think you have taken a *MAJOR
    STEP FORWARD* by bringing the fear out into the light...fear can be dealt 
    with in the light.  Peace.
    
                                                     Capt. Scott

    I know some of you will see a mile of what I am getting at but...
    
    Did "IT" have large "almond shaped" black eyes at a slant, a rather
    pointed head, shaped wide at the top, leading to a small chin, and
    either no indication of nose & mouth or just small holes for nostrils
    and a slit for a mouth. Do you remember what colour it was? I expect it
    was too dark for you to see, or you were not particularly worried about
    such details at the time, but can you remember any more physical
    details about the head?
    
    								- JIM CAD*

    Hi Jean,
    
    Boy, am I glad my scary dreams are not as bad as yours..;-) I have a
    milder form of your dream and it has bugged me for years. I wake up, I
    am sure I am awake, but I cannot move a muscle and I am convinced of a
    presence in the room. I struggle to scream and even that is well nigh
    impossible. 
    
    It even feels as if you cannot breathe and an "entity" is pressing down
    on you and choking the very life out of you. Eventually, through
    enournmous effort I break the spell and I am o.k... just a bit sweaty,
    heart pounding. I even try to alert my wife who is lying next to me, I
    know she is awake but I cannot comunicate except make funny groaning
    noises. (no no, not snoring ;-)
    
    I read an article one day (and I believe it was in this conference?)
    about a condition which happens, often in the first hour of falling
    asleep. It's hard to tell really, for when you are asleep a dream that
    appears to last forever may only last a few seconds, so you are not
    sure what time it is. There is a dream state that occurs (in some
    people, more than others) where the conscious mind no longer controls
    the body (conscious action). All conscious action is blocked. (Some say
    this prevents us from jumping up in the middle of a nightmare and
    injuring ourselves.) 
    
    If you are disturbed at this time or you do not fully enter this dream
    state, the conscious mind suddenly becomes partially awake and attempts
    to gain control. 
    
    This is when the horrors begin...You may get your eyes open but the
    world you are looking at looks totally alien. You begin to "see" things
    and your body is paralysed. You feel something is pushing down on you,
    stopping you from breathing, when really, your breathing is under the
    control of the motor reflexes at the time and everything is really o.k
    Nothing is really holding you down, it is just that the weight of your
    body feels foreign and heavy in this condition.
    
    When you begin to panic, it makes everything a lot worse than it is,
    but it is hard to stop the panic because your rational mind is not
    fully awake. Maybe one of our esteemed scholars know the technical
    terms for this condition? 
    
    I agree with you, it appears a very "real" experience, but that is why
    it is so frightening. Some people say that some aspects of this state
    is similar to the one which permits them to have an Out of the Body
    experience.    
    
    Jean, I am not meaning to belittle your experience or be a Know-it-all
    but I would suggest you to take note the next time it happens (hopefully
    it wont ;-). Try not to panic and try to gain control of your
    breathing. Try to breath deeply and normally and you will break the
    spell. I am not sure if there is any conventional treatment for this,
    but understanding the possibilities and removing the fear normally
    makes the attacks more infrequent. 
    
    If of course, this happens to you in broad daylight and you are fully
    awake, then I would start to worry ;-)
    
    With care,
    
    Brian

     
     ref:17
    
       Nop! I know where you got that from " communion " it sound very 
       semilar but I doubt they would be relate, BUT who knows. 
    
       I'LL BE WORKING TILL MIDNIGHT,LATER IF I HAVE TIME I'LL TELL YOU
       ABOUT OTHER THING WHO HAPPEN TO ME THAT I CANNOT EXPLAIN.
    
       Jean.
    

    Hi,
    	"Communion" was based around a certain type of extra-terrestrial
    which occurs fairly frequently in sighting/encounter reports. This type
    of alien is called a "Grey" - hence my question about the colour of it.
    
    I thought there might be a link, because there is some evidence from
    certain reports suggesting that the Greys do, at times, interfere or
    interact with people for various reasons (too much to go into here)...
    and it is also known that they frequently do this with small children,
    (perhaps there is some physical/mental aspect of a child which is
    beneficial to them). Therefore I wondered if your account was pointing
    to the activity of "Greys". From your reply, it seems not! Worth asking
    though!
    
    I'd be interested to hear of any other strange accounts you have, and
    other people's views about them.
    
    								- JIM CAD*

    
         Sorry I did not have the time to write last night I was very busy
         but tonight I will have time, usually fridays are quiet.
     
         Jean.
    

    
    Well I don't where to start here,but all start with something until
    today I find intriging.
    	
    When I was little I use to have an imaginary friend ( I feel so silly
    telling you that story ),anyway I just remember playing a hiding game 
    with him but! not the game where he would have to come searching for me
    but helping me to hide from my mother, it was strange, I remember my
    mother putting me in bed in the afternoons I was probably 2 or 3 years
    old, I used to talk with him I never heard his voice or I don't remember
    hearing a voice but I knew what he was thinking, after I fell asleep or
    it felt like that he would tell me where to hide and the place was
    underneath this china cabinet where there was two hole so small only a 
    kitten would be able to in, so I would get out off the room and sneak 
    under when my mother was not looking "not" that she would have been
    able to see me because I'm sure it was not physical but through astral 
    body I was doing it,once I was under the cabinet I would watch her feet
    when she was passing by and I would laugh because she could not see me 
    and after a while I would crowl out and go hide under the sofa like the 
    china cabinet too small to underneath some other time I would climb in
    the door frame and watch my mother pass underneath, after I had my fun 
    I would go back to bed and laught with my imaginary friend and when I
    was getting up my mother would usually fix me something to eat and I
    would be at the table gigling and ask my mom if she saw me when I was
    hiding she would ask me when I would respond; early when I went to bed 
    I got up and was hiding there under my mother said with a strange look
    in her face responded you such a good hider of course she did not
    beleive me. Years passed and I did not feel my imaginary around
    anymore.There was times when my parents would fight with each other
    and I would be in my bedroom crying listening to them and asking for my
    friend to take me away from here and thinking that I would fall
    asleep.
    
    There is an other story I'm going to write you soon and on that one I'm
    going to need advice.
    
    Thank you all I'm really glad I can write all this ,it make me feel
    better too I was always afraid to be ridicule before.
    I'm sure there are suspicious people BUT who care!.
    
    Jean. 8-)
     
    
    the door frame and 

    Re.21
    
    Hi Jean,
    
    >BUT who care!
    
    Yeah - that's the spirit!
    
    Cindy

    Sorry about the confusion here.  I tried to do something which the
    version of NOTES on this system does not allow one to do.  I'll do
    my best to get it straightened out.  In the meantime, you will find
    a copy of the basenote as topic 1534.  Please continue, however, to
    reply in this topic.  (I've write-locked 1534).

				    Topher-the-klutzy-moderator

    re: 1534.1 (Topher)
    
    I know what you mean about not being able to move notes.
    That command doesn't work for me, either. (in the conference
    I moderate)  Old NOTES version...
    
    Joel        

       
    I'm new to the notes scene and am finding some interesting things
    in it. I thought I would put a note about one of many erie things
    I have experienced.
       Three years ago when going to bed for the night I felt 
    as though something was there with me. This feeling was always
    preceded by a rapping sound as though someone or something were
    knocking on a solid wood door. After the knock I could actually
    feel the bed begin to move as though rats or many small animals
    were running under the covers. At this point I would get up and
    turn the light on for a visual inspection upon which I found 
    nothing. This went on for about two months in which time I said
    nothing of this matter out of fear someone would think I was
    losing my sanity.
         The last occurance very disturbing. I had been in bed no 
    longer than two minutes. The rap this time was low, dull, and
    very slow. I knew what was about to happen at least I
    thought i did. I started to sweat anticipating the inevitable
    and like clockwork the bed began to tremble. This time it was 
    different, the rodent like scampering was absent. As I went to
    stand up I felt as though I could not move. My heart by this time
    was beating at an incredible rate. All I could do was open my eyes
    which I did and from the far end of the bed three giant wolves
    jumped onto the bed. I let out a loud scream as the largest in the
    middle bared his fangs just inches from my face. My roomate burst
    into the room and turned the light on and immediatly the beasts
    vanished and I lay there in a cold sweat.
        That was the last time this has happened even though once in
    a while I still here the knock. Well thats what happened to me
    and yes I am sane. I think.
    
           Adios Amigos
    
            Eric                                        
    

    re: .25
    
    Eric,
    
    Are all the instances in the same room/building?  Was it every night,
    random nights, only on particular nights? 
    
    If it only occurs in one place, then I would suspect the place is
    haunted.  If it follows you around, you are "haunted".
    
    Look at the history of the location, it may give a clue.
    
    Beth

    BETH
    
      This happened in two different apartments. As to why it stopped
    I have no idea. I wonder why once in awhile I still hear the knock
    without the rest of the events happening. Also the knocks are not
    heard in the conventional sense as much as it is heard as you hear
    a thought.
    
       Eric
    
       

    This sounds to me like a particularly vivid example of hypnogogic
    imagery. This is a dreamlike sequence, usually of short duration that
    occurs while one is going to sleep. If a person doesn't realize that
    he/she has crossed the line into sleep, it can be difficult to believe
    that what is seen or heard isn't real.
    	Unless the images are startling, you usually drift deeper into
    sleep and forget them. One way to catch yourself at it is to go sleep
    with your forearm balanced in a vertical position. Place your attention
    elsewhere so you minimize the distraction. When you relax into sleep,
    the dropping of your forearm will awaken you slightly, allowing you to
    recall any imagery occurring. Another variation is to hold a fork above
    a metal pan. When you drop off it falls with a clang. Some psychologists
    studying the phenomenon have actually built an switch that was held
    closed. 
    	While supernatural influences are certainly part of the picture,
    most of the material showing up in hypnogogic imagery is just metal
    baggage from the previous day. I'll give an example from my own
    experience. Recently, I was canoeing down the Connecticut river,
    camping on sandbars along the way. This one became rather crowded when
    some local farm workers showed up to camp on the other end. I had seen
    some evidence that many raccoons inhabited the area, living well off
    the corn. I thought I was still awake when I heard a raccoon carrying a
    pocket radio approaching the corner of the tent next to my head. I
    "heard" it actually touch. I woke with a start. The next morning I even
    checked to see if there were tracks, but I felt rather foolish doing
    so.
    
    john

    
    It may be late to post in this note, but reading through it has brought to mind two
    encounters that I have had and I'd like to share them with you.  Please
    feel free to comment if you care to.
    
    The first one was approximately 10 years ago.  I had made a decission
    to move to Sacramento and everything was packed.  During the night I
    felt something "drop" on my bed.  It felt as if it fell from the
    ceiling and the weight was about the same as a small cat.  I surmized
    that a cat had gotten into the house but just in case, I decided to
    turn on the light.  As I reached for the light a voice said "I'm not
    here to harm you just to give you a message.  You're not to move to
    Sacramento" then this bird (white) flew from my bed through the wall
    just above the door.  (No, I did'nt move to Sacramento - my plans fell
    through)
    
    oops- not enough time for the second one.  Sorry.
    
    Ellen