Conference hydra::dejavu

Re: .0, Elke.

My wife has an expression (in Swiss German) which 
when translated comes out as 'trying to pull the
worms out of your nose'. It always induces a vivid
sensation in me. The expression means something like 'its
difficult to get an answer out of you'.

John D.

    re 1.
    
    John,
    I know this expression. I am from Austria and we are using it as well.
    But I think this has nothing to do with my funny dream! But thanks
    anyway!!
    
    Elke

    Hi Elke,
    
    Since you are familiar with and use that expression, you might want
    to look a little deeper into it.
    
    <<means something like 'its difficult to get an answer out of you'.
    
    Is there something or someone in your life that wants an answer from
    you (or even something you are having difficulty answering for
    yourself).  Your subconscious may be using the meaning of the
    expression rather than something physical to do with worms.
    
    Ro
    

    Since you're in Austria, I guess you didn't see the movie on one of the
    US stations - slugs ;-)  (Bad B grade horror movies about chemically
    mutated slugs and their parasites)  I mention this only because
    sometimes my dreams will be affected by the movies I watched that
    night, or a book I am reading.
    
    Beth                              

    Elke,
    
    do you remember how you felt during this dream ? I mean, did you see it
    as very normal or did you have an absolute disgust (I would ;-)) ?
    What did you dream before, after ?
    
    Dreamprofessor ( and friday-afternoon sick)
    
    ^O^  Johnny
    
    BTW  Vor eine Woche war ich noch in Wien.......

    re .4 
    Me too, Beth
    
    re .0
    
    Don't worry about it.  Everybody is afraid of death on some level
    of subconsciousness.  
    
    Life is just so much fun most of the time, you know?

    Hi all,
    
    thanks for your interesting inputs. Yes, during the whole dream I
    was very disgusted about myself. Unfortunately I do not remember
    the whole story of this dream.
    
    But as someone of you mentioned it, it made me think twice: yes,
    I do need to get an answer out of me! But I never thought this could
    have something to do with this dream. Very interesting!
    
    No, I am not afraid of death or dying. I think it has nothing to do
    with that.
    
    BTW: Johnny - too bad we could not meet - I love to practice my
    English!
    
    So, thanks again - I'm glad this notesfile does exist.
    
    elke

    
    Re: .0
    
      Your dream is very basic.  I was warned in a dream, a long time ago;
    to make a long story short, the dream was speaking of "The spirit" of
    a person, that i not long afterward met. Your soul is unhealthy, and
    you need to really check yourself out!
    
    Lorenzo
    

    Lorenzo,
    
    what do you mean by "check myself out"? going to a psychist or what?
    can you explain that a little bit more? What was the story around
    the person you then met? If you don't want to explain that in public,
    please send me vax-mail.
    
    Elke

    
    Hi Lorenzo!
    
    Cindy

Hi elke,

	I don't know very much about dream interpretation myself, but 
a friend had been quite good at helping me with my dreams.

	The two key things I remember of her advice were:
1) Try to remember all the feeling associated with the dream

2) Sometimes the image may represent a word that sounds similar.
	In one dream I dad a bottle of ketchup was important, in reality
  it represented the words "catch up"


    Last night I had a funny and kind of disgusting dream. I do not
    remember all of it, but I can still picture very clear that when
>   I head to blow my nose  worms (!) came out my nose. And even when I
>    did not blow my nose worms kept falling out of it.
 
  One interpretation if it were my dream....
	could this have something to do with a loss of control?
			or
	worms might represent fears of aging, disease, death or destructive
		events that may not be obvious

  I hope that all this isn't too gruesome, but perhaps it could provide some
directions to consider.
			 Hope its of value,

				rich

    rich,
    
    thanks for your ideas. I'm still not sure what that dream was
    suppoesed to tell me. But i think i get closer to the solution.
    
    thank you all for your help, 
    elke

    re: .0...
    
    It's always difficult to interpret dreams when you're not familiar
    with the idiomatic language of the dreamers.  In this case we were
    fortunate that someone had heard of the expression "trying to pull
    worms out of your nose."  In idiomatic English, the word "worms" is
    usually found in "opening up a [whole new] can of worms," which means
    "getting into something that has excessive ramifications."
    
    I wonder how someone whose main language isn't English would inter-
    pret the following (real) dream:  a person is at a buffet table when
    a co-worker comes over, picks up a whole cake from the table and runs
    off with it down the street.  Both the "worm" and the "cake" dreams
    illustrate the brain's unerring ability to produce and to present one
    relevant image out of a myriad of possibilities.  Regardless of our
    artistic abilities, we are all Picassos and Magrittes and Dalis at
    night...
    
    and Shakespeares and Beethovens, too.  When creating dreams, the brain
    seems to "choose" images with the best possible fit for whatever it has
    in mind.  Sometimes the fit is exact, and other times it's fuzzy - as
    in the previously mentioned "ketchup" and "catch up"; and (from another
    real dream) as in "celery" and "salary."  In the worm dream the worms
    are coming out of the nose, which is another way of saying out of the
    "knows" or out of the brain.  Soundwise, "nose" and "knows" are an ex-
    act fit.  
    
    There are also very strong visual and etymological connections between
    "worms" and "brains."  One looks like a blown-up version of the other.
    Both are convoluted or serpentine.  It's interesting that if you trace
    back the word "convoluted" you'll soon arrive at the word "voluable,"
    which means talkative in the sense of flowing freely or glibly.  And
    that's what the worms in this dream are doing - they're coming out 
    spontaneously as well as resulting from deliberate actions.  Like
    words, they're gushing forth.  Contrary to the worms of the Swiss Ger-
    man idiom, the difficulty here may be - as already suggested - a lack
    of control.  
    
    The close correspondence between "worms" and "words" is another example
    of the kind of fuzzy fit that often occurs in dreams.  Had you (Elke)
    perhaps been discussing something with yourself ad nauseum, to the
    point that even when you weren't thinking about it, out it came again?
    Had you been thinking about something to the point that discussing,
    discussing it in your own mind had itself become disgusting?  As you
    said, most dreams can be traced to very recent events, and no such
    event occurred.  Perhaps it was just the culmination of too many minor
    instances that, as we would say in English, put you over the edge. 
    Perhaps it was just the straw that broke the camel's back.  Maybe some 
    part of you had had it up to here and told you so - in no uncertain
    terms.  Perhaps your brain was saying something like, "Get it out of
    your system!"
    
    Virginia
    
    

    virginia,
    
    thank you for your very interesting statement. though it was kind
    of difficult for me to understand, i did understand the bottom line
    of this. yes, i think this funny dream has something to do with a
    decision i have to make. and it's very hard for me to make it. all
    the time i'm thinking about it, still trying not to. 
    
    thanks for your help,
    elke

    
    I have a question for a friend of mine, he says for the last 15yrs 75% 
    of his dreams deal with being someplace and being unable to return from
    wherever he is. I.E. Returning to the Navy on a ship but not able to
    leave or even find a way out. Does anybody have any clues as to what
    these type of dreams mean ?
    
     

    
    I also have these "trapped in the Navy dreams". I have been out of the
    Navy 15 years also.....
    
    Coinscedence ??????
    
    
      e

    Re the last two... a comment in general:
    
    I have found that the "Dream staging area" seems to take quite a while
    to catch up with your current situation in general. I was born in South
    Africa, my family immigrated to Australia when in my teens, but for
    many years and still today, my dreams are often staged in South Africa.
    I've been in Europe for two years and slowly my dreams are moving to
    Australia ;-) On questioning others, I found similar effects.
    
    I think the human psyche in general takes a time to adjust to major
    change, hence the anxiety of being somewhere and not being able to
    return.
    
    fwiw,
    
    -Brian

Last night's dream ...

I was in a hospital somewhere in an Asian country. The hospital was
equipped with the most modern state-of-the-art instruments, very clean,
lots of green plants but also glass, chrome and steel in the room.

I was on a treatment chair in a semi upright position, dressed in a
white hospital gown. In the opposite of me there was a vietnamese men
also sitting in one of those chairs. He was very small and dark and had a 
moustache. His age was around 45. His name was Dr. Hanoi. I don't know which 
relationship we had but I knew we was death ill and for medical reasons
dependent on me. We were connected with a thin tube (as used for infusions)
which was going directly from my right arm to his right arm. It was all 
transparent so I could see my blood flowing from my body into his.
Looking down to my arms I could see that they were all red and blue and
swollen as tubes have been couched several times.

After some minutes one of the doctors came to replace the tube again.
He couldn't find any free spots on my arms anymore so he replaced the
needle on the tube with a thinner one and raised it to put it into the
inner corner of my left eye. I got hysterical and refused to have this done.
I was afraid of the pain and that the doc might misplace the needle and
hurt my eye. He stopped, looked at me and asked me what I wanted to do
then. I told him I've had enough and that they should go and look for someone
else but me. The doctor said there's nobody else but me and if I refused
doing this I could watch Dr. Hanoi dying. He said there was however an
alternative and the tube could be placed into my gum and lower lip.

He gave me 10 minutes to think it over and left me alone with Dr. Hanoi 
who had lost consciousness in the meantime.

When the doctor came back I told him I'd do it but want the tubes in the
mouth instead of the eye. He placed one tube in my gum which was an awkward
feeling. It didn't really feel the pain but knew it terribly hurt and could
feel the needle tearing my gum. The second tube was placed in my lower lip.

I couldn't close my mouth anymore, blood and salive was dripping down on
my chest. I asked for one of those 'salive absorbers' you get at the
dentist but was told they didn't have any. I found this extremely strange
as the hospital was so well equipped. After a while they sent a nurse,
a small asian woman, to wipe my mouth from time to time. 

Then I woke up 'cause my mouth was all dry.

I have not seen any asian or medical films lately nor have I talked 
about anything like a medical treatment and as far as I know I don't need
    one yet. I tried the 'word game' but havent found a hint (mind you, my
    native tongue is German ;-).

What keeps me thinking is the name, Dr. Hanoi, it was never mentioned
to me in my dream ....

pondering,
Karin

p.s. Elke, hier enden scheint's alle Wiener M�dels ;-)

    re: .18
    
    Karin,
    
    When you played the "word game," did you think in terms of sound?
    I don't know if these thoughts would be applicable to German but, 
    in terms of English, "Hanoi" would be a great way to symbolize
    "annoy."  This interpretation would be consistent with "needling,"
    a repetitive annoyance or torment, and with the idiom "bleeding one
    dry."  This idiom usually refers to a financial drain - e.g., these
    payments are bleeding me dry - but, by extension, could mean almost
    any excessive demand for one's time or committment or emotional in-
    volvement.  The annoyance could be anything from blackmail to junk
    mail.  It could involve a person-to-person or a person-to-object re-
    lationship, or even a hook-up to an idea or a dilemma.  The tubing
    is "transparent," which may mean that the situation being depicted 
    is "clear" or "obvious" - or it could refer to a parental type rela-
    tionship.  The annoyance could also be depicting your real feelings
    about an imagined (as opposed to a real) situation.
    
    So, try thinking along these lines...and see what you come up with.
    
    Virginia
    
    
    
    
     
    
    

    re: .15
    
    What you're describing here are "recurrent" dreams.  Your friend may
    be caught up in situations - perhaps social - that he feels he can't
    get out of.  To understand what his dreams mean, he'll have to look
    closely at his life shortly before his has the dreams, and then try
    to make a connection between the content of the dreams and his thoughts
    or feelings on each occasion.  He'll probably notice a common element
    in each situation.  
    
    For example, students often have the recurring dream of "being late,"
    even though they may never have been late for class.  Just the thought
    of being late makes then anxious.  Then in the future when they are
    again anxious - this time for an entirely different reason - their
    brains choose the "being late" situation to depict anxiety.  Once the
    anxiety producting situations disappear, the recurrent dreams will
    also disappear.
    
    Virginia
    
    
    

    Virginia,
    
    thanks for your inputs. We do have a similar expression to "bleeding
    one dry" in German "ausbluten" which would also refer to financial
    struggles - that would mean I'm giving all my money to someone else,
    who's dependent on that (if I interpret my dream). However this
    situation has not (yet?) happened.
    
    As far as I can think there is no German word that would sound like
    "Hanoi". That's not the way German sounds at all - except maybe some 
    dialect. But I'm not used to speaking or hearing this kind of dialect. 
    However it came to my mind that I do read and speak a lot in English so
    maybe even "annoy" could be applicable (didn't think in English terms
    as for an interpretation untill now, maybe I should)?
    
    Anyway, your suggestions are food for thoughts.
    
    thanks again,
    Karin