Conference hydra::dejavu

    Thanks for entering that Carole.  I have read two of Solara's three
    books and found them to be interesting.
    
    Ro
    

	[As a curiosity, check out note 212 in this conference - cf]
    
    
	11:11 (continued)

	
	The symbol of 11:11 was pre-encoded into our cellular memory banks
	long ago, before we ever made our initial descent into matter.  It
	was placed into us, seared into our very fibers and DNA of our beings,
	as part of our preparations prior to beginning our cycles of incarna-
	tions upon the Earth.  The 11:11 has rested dormantly within us since
	that faraway time, positioned under a time-release mechanization,
	complete with sealed orders which would open when the 11:11 was fully
	activated.  It has been gently sleeping, awaiting its moment of
	triggering.  And now with the dissemination of this information, the
	11:11 is finally being activated.

	11:11 is our pre-encoded trigger that our time of completion is near.
	Many of you have recognized this symbol as something of great signi-
	ficance, yet have been unaware of its true meaning.  With the advent
	of digital clocks many years ago, the presence of 11:11 began to make
	itself felt, often appearing on the clock at moments of accelerated
	awareness.  For those of you who have known that 11:11 was something
	special, we ask you to come forth into positions of leadership for you
	hold important parts of the key.  Let your sealed orders be now opened!

	The Star-Borne

	The Star-Borne are all of us presently incarnate who know that we 
	originate from somewhere beyond this planet.  We are beginning to
	remember that we chose to undergo incarnation on Earth in order to
	serve in the transmutation of matter.  And that once this was 
	achieved we would be able to move both the planet and the portions
	of humanity *who will choose themselves* onto an entirely new
	evolutionary template.  This is our graduation from the dimensional
	illusions of duality and separation, our step into mastery and freedom,
	our fulfillment of our Divine Missions, and our return home to 
	conscious Oneness.

	Right now, at this very moment, there is a mass awakening of the
	Star-Borne taking place on Earth.  This awakening is of utmost 
	importance, for it is crucial to the opening of the 11:11 that the
	Star-Borne awaken, remember, activate and rise up into their fullest
	empowerment!  This is what we came here to do; this is the moment that
	we have been long awaiting - yearning for in the depths of our hearts
	while calling out to our starry brethren at night.

	Our preparations for this time have been lengthy and arduously lonely.
	We have now entered the Time of Completion wherein freedom beckons to
	us from the other side of the Doorway.  Please, do not miss this 
	Golden Opportunity which has never before been presented to us and 
	shall not be offered again for countless aeons!

	The Map of the 11:11

	The Doorway of the 11:11 is the bridge between two spirals.  *This
	bridge is the channel of our mass ascension.*  [CF - could the
	discovery of Chiron - the Rainbow Bridge - be a symbol for this?]
	In the old spiral is the patterning which contains dimensions 1-6.
	These are the boundaries of our known dimensional universe.  This is
	the spiral which we have traveled on since our first earthly exper-
	iences.  Inherent within this patterning is the illusion of duality
	and separation.  Herein we have labored under the concept that we
	were individualized units of consciousness, separate from the Source,
	stranded beings searching for God.  Here we felt ourselves alone,
	abandoned perhaps, ever striving to remember something of vast
	importance which always resided just beyond the grasp of our conscious
	minds.  Yet, there has always been embedded within us a deep yearning
	to return Home, though we knew not where that magical place, or state
	of consciousness, might be found.

                                   THE OLD SPIRAL 

           The Beyond             /
                                 /                        our Solar System
           *                    / Stargates/                 
           Great Central Sun   /  Midway                   
                              /   Stations
                             /
                            /



		          THE NEW SPIRAL OF THE 11:11

                            Octave 7                  Great Central 
                               o                      Sun System
                              / \
                   Birdstar  /   \ Starbird  
                          11:11   \                 / Beyond the Beyond
                           /       \               /        
                          /         \             / 
                Earth    o           o Octave 11 /


	After we pass through the Doorway of the 11:11 we shall move onto a
	new spiral formation.  The patterning found herein is one of octaves.
	It contains Octave 7-11.  It is free of the dimensional experiences
	and contains new levels of consciousness.  Octave 7 is where the
	Earth shall reside.  It is here where the new dispensation will be 
	revealed and brought into full manifestation.  This is where we shall
	experience the prophesied 1000 years of peace.

	One of the most imporant aspects of the new spiral patterning is that
	we shall truly know that we are One and we will no longer feel separate
	from the Source.

	Most of the ones who will journey to Octave 7 shall remain there to
	build on the new.  However, a small group of us shall choose to 
	continue onwards to Octave 11.  In Octave 11, another repatterning
	is possible, which leads to the Beyond the Beyond.

	The Great Central Sun Systems

	Movement through the 11:11 shifts the positional alignment from our
	current Great Central Sun System to what we term a Greater Central
	Sun System.  We have been held into position with our Great Central
	Sun through a process of polarization.  This has functioned as a
	magnetic attraction since our Central Sun has resided in Oneness
	and we on Earth in duality.  In order to loosen ourselves from our
	old spiral, we must rise into our inherent Oneness.  This shall free
	us to move through the Doorway of the 11:11 into Octave 7.  Here we
	shall find ourselves aligned with a Greater Central Sun System.
    
    
    	(continued)

	Thank YOU, Carole - this is perfect!  You always have a gentle, loving
way of coming thru.

	Much love,

	Meredith

    

    AttaWay Carole!!!! Pat-on-the-back Pat-on-the-back Pat-on-the-back!
    
    What a way to start the summer with this info! 
    
    Where do get this stuff anyways...??? 
    
    Fascinating!
    Thank you
    -Arthur

	11:11 (continued)

	The Opening of the Doorway

	In order to open this doorway we need a critical mass number of a
	minimum of 144,000 activated Star-Borne to unite together in conscious
	Oneness worldwide on January 11, 1992.  This activation shall be
	centered at the Great Pyramids in Giza, Egypt.  This is due to the
	powerful alignment there of both the Master Grid (A Grid) and B Grid
	vortexes.  It is the only location on the planet where these two
	major planetary grid systems are presently aligned and activated,
	hence there is a double helix vortex present.  The Great Pyramids
	have long served as the beacon for remembrance of our starry origins
	and contain the key for our homeward journey.

	The doorway of the 11:11 opens once and it closes once.  Only one
	may pass through.  This one is our Unified Presence, the many as One.
	The 11:11 shall open on January 11, 1992 and close on December 31,
	2011.  Unless at least 144,000 of us gather together either physically
	or in spirit throughout the planet on January 11, 1992, the 11:11 will
	not open at all and we shall have missed this Golden Opportunity for 
	our mass ascension into new realms of consciousness.

	Numerology of January 11, 1992

	This date can also be written as 1.11.1992.  Notice that it contains
	an 11:11 within the 1111992.  Together the numbers add up to 33 which
	is the master vibration number of Universal Service. 1+11+21=33.

	The Legions of Archangel Mikael

	This signifies a full activation of the Legions of Mikael or Michael.
	Archangel Mikael has long served as the Overseer of the spiral of
	duality.  Already, the commanders of his Legions presently incarnate
	upon Earth are being drawn together in order to prepare for this vast
	quantum leap for humanity.  The Call resounds across both Heaven and
	Earth in order to awaken, activate and empower all of your who serve
	in this vast Legion of Light.  Indeed, the time is at hand which we
	have long awaited.  Each of you is needed in your full Presence, for
	we must join together as One in order to fulfill our Divine Missions
	and complete our earthly span of service.  A mass activation is now
	in effect.  You have hereby been placed on full alert!

	The Doorway of the 11:11

	This can presently be perceived as a crack between two worlds.  It is
	like a gap or abyss which has the inherent potential of linking 
	together two very different spheres of energy.  As we unite together
	as One, bringing together our fragments of the key, we not only create
	the key, but we make visible the doorway.  Thus the gap is currently
	functioning as an invisible door or a doorway into the invisible.

	Creating the Key

	The key which opens the doorway of the 11:11 is created by all of us
	joining together as One on a scale never before experienced on Earth.
	Each of us who are Star-Borne holds a piece of the key.  All of our
	fragments must be placed together in order for the door to open.  The
	sharing of our individual pieces of the key shall occur worldwide,
	beginning at the New Moon of January 4, 1992 which occurs at 11:11 PM
	and culminates on January 11, 1992.

	Turning the Key

	We call you to join with us on January 11, 1992 that together we may
	open the door.  The key is turned by us forming star mandalas of
	people, large and small, all over the planet.  At the appointed hour
	of 11:11 these myriad starry mandalas will begin to activate and turn
	in synchronicity with the large spiral at the Great Pyramids which
	shall be forming a master cylinder and be in continuous motion for at
	least 44 hours.  Thus we shall be creating wheels within wheels.  It
	is our combined activation that will open the doorway.  Further infor-
	mation on the formation of these star mandalas and spirals shall be
	forthcoming in further updates and demonstration videos..  This is a
	mass activation of the Star-Borne as never before experienced on Earth.

	A Glimpse Through the 11:11

	It is suggested that January 12 and 13 be spent in silence and devotion.
	These are High Hold Days in which you will be given the opportunity to
	experience the energies emanating from the New Octave.  A state of
	grace shall be in effect and many of you will be imprinted with pulsa-
	tions of Light frequencies.  Transmissions from the Beyond will also
	be received by those who place themselves in a state of open 
	receptivity.  The Invisible will be made visible.  All will be pro-
	foundly touched and quickened by this experience.  It will greatly
	heighten the process of transfiguration, necessary for our mass
	ascension.

	Passing Through the Door

	It has been stated that only one passes through the Door.  That one
	is our Unified Presence.  It is created by our leaving behind our
	primary identifications with ourselves as individual units of con-
	sciousness and rising into a deep knowing and acceptance of our
	inherent Oneness.  It is a realization that we are all rays, or
	direct emanations of one star.

	Once we know that we are One, our Unified Presence takes the form
	of a vast white bird.  This large white bird is composed of myriad
	small white birds flying in formation as One.  It could be termed
	the merkabah or the Dove.  It is our vehicle for mass ascension.
	(This Dove is not a spaceship.  It is the expression of our Unified
	Presence!)  Our white bird is so immensely vast that it shall take
	us the full twenty years that the Doorway of the 11:11 is open to 
	pass through its portals into the new spiral patterning of the
	Greater Central Sun System.

	The Heart of the Dove

	Our Dove does not fly in from somewhere else.  We, ourselves, create
	it.  It is brought to birth from the inside out, beginning in the
	heart.  First we must unite with other Star-Borne and merge together
	as One.  Thereby, we give birth to the heart of the Dove.  From the
	heart, the energy flows upwards and outwards, much like a fountain
	of Light, becoming ever larger as more of us unite.  Thus by coming
	together in increasing numbers, the entire body of the Dove is formed.

	Birdstar/Starbird

	The magnificent white bird of our Unified Presence takes the form of
	a birdstar as it flies through the Doorway of the 11:11 to Octave 7.
	In Octave 7 an inversion takes place for those who choose to travel
	onward.  The birdstar turns itself inside out and emerges as a
	starbird.  This starbird is the conveyance for those who wish to
	journey to Octave 11.

	First and Second Wave

	Prior to our descent into matter when each one of us chose our 
	destiny pattern, we became aligned with either a first or second
	wave patterning.  The first wave beings chose to come to Earth in
	order to irrevocably anchor the New.  They are the ones who have
	experienced countless embodiments upon this planet, thus have been
	the holders of ancient wisdom.  Because of their long cycle of
	experience here, many of them are profoundly weary and longing to
	return home.

	The second wave's Purpose is to build on the New once it is firmly
	anchored.  They have had less earthly experience.  Second wavers are
	the visionaries, the architects, the ones with new forms of healing,
	music and community.  Bristling with energy to manifest, the second
	wavers have also been riddled with impatience to create!

	What has not been understood until now is that the New shall not be
	created within the old dimensional patterning.  It will manifest on
	the other side of the Doorway of the 11:11 in Octave 7.  Hence it is
	of utmost importance that first and second wavers unite together in
	order to open this doorway that we may move through into the new
	Divine Dispensation.

    
    Arthur....a friend had gotten this pamphlet at a new-age bookstore
    I believe, and let me borrow it.  I was going to make copies for
    a bunch of people, but thought this was a better way to get the info
    shared.
    
    For anyone who would like further information regarding 11:11 you
    can write to:
    
    	Star-Borne Unlimited
    	Route 7 Box 191B
    	Charlottesville, VA  22901
    
        or call   804-974-7771
    
    Carole

	11:11 (continued)

	Orion

	The constellation of Orion is of vast importance in our sacred quest
	for full remembrance since it is the master template of duality in
	this dimensional universe.  The three stars in the belt of Orion,
	what we call the EL*AN*RA (Mintaka, Al Nilam, Al Nitak in traditional
	astronomy), are the main control points or pins which hold our
	universe into position.  It is through the central star in Orion's
	belt, the Eye of AN,, that we shall travel as we make our journey
	through the Doorway of the 11:11.

	Orion is divided into three zones.  The upper zone is ruled by the
	star Betelgeuse.  Here are the Councils of Light.  The lower zone
	is controlled by the star Rigel and is the home of the Dark Lords.
	In the central portion of Orion is a Zone of Overlap which contains
	the EL*AN*RA.  This area could be referred to as the Great Light for
	it represents the sacred, alchemical union of dark and light into
	One.  It is served by Lord Metatron and the Council of the Elohim.

               \              /
		\            /
                 \    /\    /
                  \  /  \  /
                   \/    \/
                   /\    /\
                  /  \  /  \
                 /    \/    \
                /            \
               /              \

	Orion is like a large Antarion Conversion.  Within its Zone of Overlap,
	all dualities have merged into One.  Our present challenge is to create
	that Zone of Overlap within ourselves until we are irrevocably anchored
	into Oneness.

	Crop Circles

	For several years, mysterious flattened circles have been appearing in
	the fields of England.  Although scientists have tried to come up with
	logical explanations for this phenomena, such as random whirlwinds, the
	mystery remains unsolved.  What is known is that farmers often hear low
	humming sounds on the nights that they appear.  Another interesting
	fact is that the molecular structure of the crops within the circles
	have been deeply altered.

	Beginning in May 1990, the patterning of these crop circles has changed
	dramatically.  The designs have become more elaborate.  There are often
	multiple circles with formations like keys protruding from them.  Some 
	of these new crop circles measure over 300 feet across.  When one enters
	into the patterning of the crop circles, a heightened energy is 
	experienced.

	What is fascinating is that several of the new crop circle formations
	are now appearing in the shape of a dumbbell, often with one circle
	larger than the other.  And on either side of the line connecting the
	two circles are very large elevens, forming an 11:11.  This design
	brought to the planet from On High is showing our two spirals or
	Great Central Sun Systems connected by the Doorway of the 11:11.

	[There were some illustrations here that unfortunately I can't 
         duplicate, but I have seen actual photographs of the crop circles
	 and there are many that have the 'elevens' on either side of the
	 connecting line, making an 11:11 - cf]

	Other Manifestations of 11:11

	We have received word from all over the United States of the numbers
	11:11 appearing on television during regular programming at random
	times.  This is a further sign of the full activation of 11:11.

	How You Can Prepare Yourselves

	It is of utmost importance that you step into the full magnificence
	of your starry selves.  You can begin by cleaning out your lives,
	lovingly discarding any outmoded habits and thought forms which are
	rooted in the illusion of separation and denial.  Go though your
	closets, both literally and figuratively, and shed anything that no
	longer resonates with the Truth of your Being.  Simplify everything
	so it vibrates in accord with you and leaves you space for the 
	introduction of the New.  Complete any unfinished business, any
	unresolved relationships, anything that holds you back, that keeps
	you smaller than you really are.

	Begin laying the foundations of the new by organizing your life into
	greater efficiency to support your Higher Self.  Make sure you take
	the time to nourish yourself, to be silent, and to listen to the
	transmissions you are or will soon be receiving.  Join with others
	who support your continuing growth.  Make time for relaxation and
	play, for this facilitates integration of the incoming accelerated
	frequencies.

	Clear up any fears you may have around the issue of power.  We have
	misused power at one time or another.  It was simply part of the
	full third dimensional experience.  Set aside your guilt and forgive
	yourself for any previous transgressions.  As you remember who you
	are and begin to anchor your Higher Self into your physical body,
	your ego will become smaller and smaller.  Your vast, starry 
	overself containing unlimited amounts of love and wisdom will begin
	to see through your eyes, think through your mind, etc. - thus
	transforming everything!  Then, please, bring forth the courage to
	openly be your empowered magnificent Selves!

	Focus on the whole instead of the fragments of the whole.  See all
	of humanity as one vast starry being, held together by love.  
	Contact your Golden Solar Angel.  Bring it in and embody it in 
	your everyday life.  Knowing that you are an Angel consciously
	serving on Earth definitely lightens your burdens and clears your
	path.  Remember that you are no longer alone; there are millions
	of us here.

	Ask for your Angelic or Starry name, and once you receive it, begin
	to use it.  These names are triggers which aid in our transformational
	process, dissolving the old third dimensional patternings within our
	beings and aligning us to the New.  They are one of the most powerful
	tools presently available.  Your Angelic, Starry name is *your* name,
	*your* personal resonance, the unique vibration of your ray of the 
	star of One.  It opens up and strengthens your pathway Homeward.

	How You Can Help
	
	Due to the scope of this mass activation of the Star-Borne to open
	the Doorway of the 11:11, we need your fullest help and support.
	There are many ways in which you can serve.

	. Network this information - ...pass it along to as many people
	  as you can.  Give it to bookstores, healers and centers where
	  it can reach many.

	. Send us the names and addresses of bookstores and centers in
          your area, so we can add them to our mailing list and send
          them further updates.

        . Form local groups to prepare together and send us the name and
	  address of a key person in your group so we can keep in touch

	. Read Solara's books, especially "The Star-Borne" and start 
	  working with the processes.

 	. Support Star-Borne Unlimited with donations.  As the countdown
	  to January 11, 1992 unfolds, we will be stretching our resources
	  beyond their limits.  We will need funds to expand our offices,
	  pay more helpers, get new phone lines, make instructional videos,
	  and to print and distribute information on the 11:11 worldwide.

	. Star-Borne also needs some skilled, balanced helpers - people
          with experience in computers, office procedures, graphics,
	  desktop publishing and video making.  (At this stage, you will
	  also need to be self-supporting and able to provide for your
	  living expenses).

	. Start plastering the planet with bumper stickers, T-shirts, etc.
	  which say 11:11 so its triggering mechanization can be fully
	  activated into the mass consciousness.

        . Produce events in your area to disseminate information on the 
          11:11 to the public.

	. Volunteer to be the 11:11 Anchor for your area.

	11:11 Anchors

	11:11 Anchors are needed throughout the planet.  Ideally we should
	have anchors within each city, town, and country.  These are the
	main functions of 11:11 Anchors..

	1. Be the coordinator of 11:11 information in your area.

	2. Bring together a group of people who can begin preparing
           themselves for their part in opening the door.



	A Directive on the New:

	Create the key in geometric patterning of overlapping triangles
	within triangles.  This the door opens and the new spiral is
	made visible.

	The New cannot be found within the old patterning nor upon the
	old spiral.  A shift in spirals is necessary here.

	You have reached the culmination/completion of the old spiral.
	Now you must make the shift.  This entails a leap across the
	abyss which shall launch you into the New.

	This abyss, which represents the gap between the known and 
	unknown, the visible and the invisible, is different from any
	abyss that you have previously experienced.  All bonds within
	the third dimensional patterning of duality must be loosened
	in order to free yourself to make this leap.  You must obtain
	a true lightness of being.

	This does not mean that you shall be unable to function within
	the world.  However, be prepared to experience the world 
	differently than before.  Much of what you have known and held
	sacred shall fall away as irrelevant and unimportant.  You will
	willingly release old habits, conditionings, preferences and
	desires as their sense of appropriateness diminishes.

	At the same time, you will experience an increasing sense of
	ease as the New ushers in a beautiful octave of abundance, purity,
	sureness of Purpose, power and freshness.  All weariness will drop
	away as you make this shift into the Greater Reality.

	The new spiral stands before you - shimmering with promise.  You 
	can almost touch it, but if you did, your physical hand would pass
	right through it.  It is nearly invisible, so subtle, yet stronger
	than anything existing within the world of matter.

	You are Called forth to make this leap into the Unknown, into the
	New, for all else has reached the point of completion

Re: Arthur

You asked for my comments......This is all quite true and I would like to
suggest that we in the dejavu community organize the gathering of all who
are drawn to participate in the creation of star mandalas in our respective 
areas so as to take our rightful place in the activation of the 11:11 
doorway on January 11, 1992

  11-jan-1991 happens to be a Saturday, when many people will be at
  temple observing the Sabbath.

    Talligai,
    
    Great idea about organizing this gathering!..an amusing sidelight,
    at least to me is, that I have one of these crop circle photos 
    with the 2 number 11's on it in my cube. It was from Omni Magazine 
    and I always thought the design of it was great, that's why I
    hung in my office cube!!! ...duh!  ;-)
    
    This crude artist rendering is kind of what it looks like... :^)
    
                                          
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         """                           """    """                     """
       """    """       """""       """  ||||||  """     """""    """   """
      """   """       """""""""   """             """  """""""""    """   """
    """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 
    """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
      """   """       """""""""   """              """ """""""""    """    """
       """    ""        """""       """  ||||||   """    """""    """     """ 
        """                          """        """                      """
          """                           """"""""                       """
                                          
    
                The |||||| is the number 11 and the there is another
                large circle to the right, which I can't fit into the picture
                that has the two |||||| with a circle around them
                that form the 11::11.
    
                               Hey....I can see it!
                                     -Arthur
                                               

  I just remembered that in Carl Sagan's novel _Contact_, near the end,
  a computer program discovers that somewhere out around the bazillionth
  digit of pi when displayed in base ELEVEN on paper which is 121
  columns wide (11 squared, and coincidentally a popular width for
  lineprinter output from certain programming languages), a PERFECT
  CIRCLE is formed on the paper, sort of like:

  000000000000000000000000000000000001111100000000000000000000000000000
  000000000000000000000000000000111110000011111000000000000000000000000
  ...

  Well you get the idea.

    Another source of information, for those interested, is a book titled
    
    "The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch" by J.J. Hurtak, published
    by The Academy for Future Science, P.O. Box FE, Los Gatos, CA  95031
    
    Library of Congress Catelog card number is 76-55939.
    
    from the title page:
    
    "A teaching given on seven levels to be read and visualized in
    preparation for the Brotherhood of Light. To be delivered for
    the quickening of the 'People of Light' "

    Talligai,
    
        What is the connection of 144,000 star-borne being and the 144,000
    universes you mentioned in another note?  Also, I noticed this process
    will be complete in the year 2011; one year before the shift.
    
                                                             Capt. Scott

>        What is the connection of 144,000 star-borne being and the 144,000
>    universes you mentioned in another note?

  Pure coincidence, Scott, pure coincidence :-).

  Actually, I have a theory: maybe the author of the pamphlet (Solara)
  and Talligai are the same. And here's how I plan to test my theory: an
  interesting computer program was developed a couple of years ago and
  written up in Scientific American. It was a text generator. What it
  did was take a large sample of someone's writing and keep track of the
  occurrences of 3-letter combinations (or 4-letter, or 5-letter, etc).
  Then, using a random number generator, it would generate these
  combinations randomly but with the same statistical probability as
  they occurred in the original. With a large enough original sample,
  and a large enough "tuple" (string size), the output would be
  strikingly readable. At times, it would even make sense, and it would
  *always* be in the same "style" as the original document.

  I wrote a version of this program in Lisp, and still have it around. I
  used it on some of my writing and some stuff from other people, and
  the results were fascinating. It would generate stuff which sounded
  exactly like me (or whoever). But the most interesting by-product of
  this little exercise wasn't the nonsense output which was generated,
  but the observation that *every single person has their own unique set
  of statistics*! It's like a fingerprint, only of your writing style.
  What's even more interesting is that this "fingerprint" changes only
  slightly when you write colloquially vs formally. There's more
  difference between two people writing formally than between one
  person's different personal styles. Using this program, we were able
  to identify the author of any piece of writing (provided it was a long
  enough sample) with 100% accuracy! It never missed!

  So what I propose to do is fire up this program on the stuff Carole
  has typed in from Solara, and on Talligai's entries. Just from my
  previous experience, I'd say that the samples are easily long enough
  to give a statistically significant answer as to whether Solara and
  Talligai are the same personality (and as to whether Talligai, Iiissa,
  Altraea, and Zeffel are the same personality).

  Naturally, a positive answer won't prove anything, especially as
  regards the possible extraterrestial nature of any of these
  personalities, but it would at least offer one explanation for the
  appearance of 144,000.

  On a final note: I'm not actually sure I really want to conduct this
  experiment. As I had mentioned before, spirituality vanishes under the
  microscope of science. I'm enjoying this topic (and the Welcome
  Talligai topic) enough to not want to spoil anything.

    
    RE: .9 Mike
    
    Could you clarify your comment?  I'm not sure what you are trying
    to communicate here.
    
    Thanks,
    Carole

  I'm not sure which comment you want me to clarify :-) but my point was
  that maybe the reason both Solara and Talligai mention the number
  144,000 is that they're the same person, and I have a computer program
  which can determine that to a high degree of confidence (when dealing
  with earthlings, at least -- if two different celestial beings can and
  choose to write in exactly the same style, my program couldn't tell
  them apart).

    I'm confused Mike as well...huh? 
    
    -Arthur

  What don't you understand? I'll try to explain.

    
    Hi Mike,
    
    I was asking for clarification of your .9.
    
    Carole

    (re: .15)
    
    Mike,
    
    That sounds like a neat program.  Can you make the source available?
    Can you give a pointer to the right issue of Scientific American?
    
    Thanks!
    
    Chipster

  Re Carole, oh, ok, I didn't understand. The reference to saturday is
  that several major religions consider saturday to be a holy day, and
  observers of those religions will, on 11-jan-1991, be at prayer in
  their temples -- a perfect opportunity to participate in this event.
  So maybe the fact that this event is scheduled for a saturday is not a
  coincidence.

  Re posting sources, sure, I'll be glad to. I don't have Lisp on my
  cluster, so I can no longer verify that it works until I get it
  installed, but I'll post the sources along with some sample .com files
  which show how to run it. Monday, if I get a chance.

    Do me too, Mike?  I want to see if I'm the same person. :-)
    
    mary

    re 11:11 Opening of the Doorway
    
    Hello, I'm new to this conference, but a long time student of things
    spiritual and stellar and unseen.  I read the articles, and the
    knowledge is not new.  I wonder, however, how many believe it is true,
    that somehow, in some mysterious way "energies" are about to (and have
    already begun) enter our atmosphere constituting essentially a
    "Changing of the Ages", "Opening of the Doorway", requiring that WE
    humans be ready in such a way, that if we don't we die?
    
    It's such a subtle thing, this changing, that unless you've been told
    and actually believe and look for it's signs, you probably wouldn't
    notice anything out of the ordinary...just people going insane, a
    little more than usually but not necessarily strange, or perhaps people
    developing a tad bet more "making dreams come true" power, but could be
    attributed to higher education, or other behaviors, which all could be
    attributed to the progressive nature of things, or in some cases, the
    regressive, but nothing inordinary.
    
    As a black man, and having done a little study on who's ready for
    transition...not the hearers but the doers...among blacks, I think
    pretty much most of us will be alright.  We seem to have mastered the
    concept of Oneness, of the Common Brotherhood of Man (as taught us by
    Jesus, and our ancestors in Africa, prior to slavery.
    
    However, I'm concerned, out of a sense of Brotherhood, but if you feel
    it's none of my business I won't push it, How many of you in reaching
    out to each other (publicans do the same) are reaching out to come
    together with those not like yourselves, which I believe is the REAL
    test of Oneness and Brotherhood?  I hear it being said YOU need 144000
    people to gather in Egypt...I say you needn't bother, you're imagining
    things, for the 144000 have already been chosen and they have already
    met, in conscious agreement and in truth and in spirit, not in the
    flesh, and they met IN EGYPT, not the physical/geographical Egypt but
    in spiritual Egypt...so you're wasting valuable time.  I think you
    should be concerned most earnestly with eliminating ALL racist
    thoughts, separating yourselves from those friends of yours who harbor
    and perpetuate racism and hatred.  Begin to take active roles in YOUR
    communities and get others and the government to help the homeless and
    hungry right here in America...as it is written, Jesus said when you
    passed by the homeless and the hungry, the sick and needy, in the
    streets, that was ME, and you are guilty of neglecting ME.
    
    This is NO game, my brothers and sisters, as the article says, WE
    called this reality forth, and it WILL come...it is here!  And it's to
    "To Late To Turn Now, I Believe, I Believe, I Believe, We Better Fall
    In Love", you know that song.  Speaking of songs, I hear some of you
    commenting on the article "That's Interesting", "Good Way to Begin the
    Summer"...with a song in my heart, a good message on my mind!  But
    againg I say "NOT THE HEARERS BUT THE DOERS"...ARE YOU DOING IT?  Or
    just singing the song, thinking about how nice it would be if it were
    so...don't you realize that's this is up to US, that's right JES US?
    
    You sitting back waiting for someone else to make the world right...but
    what did JES-US say, "If you don't help gather, you're helping to
    scatter", in other words, "If you're not part of the solution (not
    singing about it, not thinking about) but an essential part of the
    solution, then you're part of the problem...and IF you're part of the
    problem don't you realize JESUS is coming back, with blood dripping
    from his sword, for YOU!  God says, If you come to HIS altar (and we
    can equate the Altar with the Doorway to the New Age) with a gift and
    have something against thy brother (any person belonging to the
    Brotherhood of Man, thus all races), put down your gift and go and get
    it straight with your brother and then come and bring the gift"...also
    it is written, If you don't love your brother who you can see, you
    don't love ME (God), whom you've never seen.
    
    I hope I haven't been so harsh (if I have been at all) that you get
    frustrated and sense a hopelessness in your cause, due to the shortness
    of time...because you still have time, my brothers and sisters, not
    much, but a little time remains...although already the effects are
    being seen...all those who are claiming to have been abducted, to have
    seen ET Beings walking around here on earth, are deluded, a part of the
    "strong delusion" God said he would to those who denied HIM in the last
    days.  If you don't believe UFOs and ET Beings contacting us is just
    strong delusion, I want you to READ the book COMMUNION by Whitley
    Schrieber and especially the Hypnosis sessions and you will see for
    yourself that this man is suffering from deep guilt from racism (the
    oppression of black people) and a denial of God.  
    
    I personally just the other week, prior to reading any serious books on
    alledged contacts, believed in UFO's and that people had been abducted
    and had seen ET's, but after reading Transformation and Communion by
    Whitley Schrieber (books about his personal experiences of this sort) I
    no longer believe in them but instead believe this is strong delusion.  
    
    1)	In Transformation, note the color of the beings who escort him to
    the interrogation room are dark blue and when he mentions it, they
    comment "We use to be like you blacks" and when he goes in to be
    interrogated the questioners are grey.  Oh, so he's trying to say
    there's racist "out there" too and the fair skinned dominate there too! 
    I'm telling you that's BS and the Man is has "called this up", just
    like we, MAN, are able to call up reality, in the present reality of
    Transition.
    
    2)	In Communion, note the beings that plague him, staring at him, just
    staring at him, are BROWN, NOT GREY...my brothers and sisters this is
    guilt complex from racism and denying God and failing to repent.
    
    So, that's all I have to say for now.
    
    Playtoe, In the Spirit of Truth

  OK, I'm posting a pointer to the sources to the "style" analysis
  program I mentioned, with some caveats:

  - I haven't run this program in at least five years, so don't know if
    it still runs on VAX Lisp (though I assume it does). Also, I've got
    only the sources, so you'll need to compile them to run it. If you
    decide to try to do this, please don't ask me for help right now --
    I'm pretty busy, and if I had the time to help, I'd have the time to
    compile it and run it myself. Anyway, if you're a Lisp hacker, you
    should be independent enough not to need help :-).

  - The program is pretty reliable at matching up authors once it gets a
    good sample of an author's work (use your judgment at to what
    constitues a "good" sample). But it can only tell that two pieces
    were written by the same human being. If you're looking to prove
    that Iiissa, Zeffel, Altraea and Talligai are the same human being,
    don't bother -- we already know that much!! On the other hand, if
    you run their stuff through and it shows that they are different
    authors, that would be interesting, because it's fairly difficult to
    fake another writing style (without copying someone else's material
    verbatim). Remember that I only suggested using this program to see
    if the Solara and Talligai material were written by the same author
    as a possible explanation of the coincidence of the number 144,000.

  Sooner or later, I'll get around to making this program work again, so
  if you have absolutely no luck, stay tuned.

At the moment, you can find the sources in:

  MICROW::USER2$:[GLANTZ.OWNER.LISP]

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    re 11:11 Opening of the Doorway
    
>    Hello, I'm new to this conference, but a long time student of things
>    spiritual and stellar and unseen.  I read the articles, and the
>    knowledge is not new. 

*** If as you state this knowledge is not new than would you 
*** Please let us know when you heard of the 11:11 activation and
*** what was your source I'd be most interested.

>>>Note 1476.4             
>>>EXIT26::SAARINEN   
    
>>>    What a way to start the summer with this info! 
    
    
  >  I hear some of you
  >  commenting on the article "That's Interesting", "Good Way to Begin the
  >  Summer"...with a song in my heart, a good message on my mind!  But
  >  againg I say "NOT THE HEARERS BUT THE DOERS"...ARE YOU DOING IT?  Or
  >  just singing the song, thinking about how nice it would be if it were
  >  so...don't you realize that's this is up to US, that's right JES US?
    
*** Yes this is me that you are commenting about. 8-) So let me clear
*** up something for you. First feeding your mind good messages,
*** positive affirmations, ideas and concepts that support your life
*** is an active on going participatory process. It's a DOING kind of
*** activity. It's how to programme and create your reality in a postive
*** Loving Way. 
    
*** For myself, it is up to me, and only me to get straight...in the way
*** that the Christ Consciousness within me directs me to do. If you
*** have an agenda to save the whole world, than follow that. If what 
*** radiates from our Hearts and Minds is Love and Peace and Equality,
*** we can create within our own smaller worlds, that reality.

*** -Arthur 8-)

    RE: 27
    
    I haven't heard of the "11:11 activation" as so named, but what is
    described as being activated, the effects of this activation, is not
    new.  In several Astrology books, that speak of the coming new age,
    this has been elaborated.  I believe it is Astrology that first spoke
    of all this Transition of Ages, and the description and events which
    would be taking place.  This information is not new.
    
    It's good to keep positive affirmations going on in your life, but I'm
    just concerned that some of us need to take these things more
    seriously...I'd truly like to see EVERYBODY make the transition.  So
    again, I don't mean to offend but to caution and warn that the
    successful transition of any individual or group depends upon whether
    we meet the standards/criteria of the new age....having learned what
    was necessary to make that transition during the previous age.
    
    I was somewhat concerned that the article is calling for 144000 to go
    to Egypt (this is not a divinely inspired trip, but some people decided
    this should be done), when I'm thinking that if you had 144000 people
    who contributed the cost of airfare and lodgin and food for such a trip
    to help the homeless and hungry in their own communities, THIS would
    prepare them for the transition better than the trip to Egypt...I'm
    just concerned that this country continues to neglect the cry of the
    homeless and hungry and the oppressed, here at home.  And we spend
    billions of dollars to save the oppressed in Kuwaite (which in turn
    made many more homeless and hungry in Iraq), we spend billions of
    dollars to help other European countries develop, but neglect many
    right here at home...and now some are speaking of spending 1000's of
    dollars abroad, in Egypt, again to the neglect of the homeless and
    hungry...and I say How long?
    
    Playtoe

    Playtoe (.28),
    
    I read the article a bit differently from you.  A couple of points,
    the trip to Egypt of 144,000 was not a trip on the 'physical' plane
    for all those people.  Secondly, I'm no bible scholar, but wasn't
    there a mention of 144,000 in Revelations?
    
    Ro
    

    RE: 29
    
    Yes, 144,000 chosen of God, 12,000 from each tribe of Israel.  
    
    Truly the correspondence is relevent, exactly how I don't know, but the
    wise men of the days of scripture writing all knew of this Changing of
    the Ages, because in order to be wise then you had to know Astrological
    knowledge.  As I said this knowledge is not new.
    
    A trip to Egypt on a spiritual plane would be less expensive and
    perhaps more beneficial, especially since the Nile has be deverted
    another way and the people aren't the same anymore, so you'd probably
    not see the Egypt referred to in this situation.
    
    Playtoe

    
    	This is all very astounding.
    
    	From the time when I was very young, and digital clocks were
    	just beginning to come into widespread use, I have often 
    	found myself glancing up at such a clock and observing the
    	11:11. 
    
    	It just happens, out of the clear blue sky. I'll be absorbed
    	in some activity, or maybe doing something quiet, look up at
    	the clock and - 11:11. Other times, I'll think to check the
    	time, maybe to see if its lunchtime yet. Just before I look,
    	I'll "know" that it is 11:11. Happens at night that way, too.
    
    	Anyone else?
    
    Neal/B

    It used to happen to Carole Fretts all the time too, if I remember
    correctly.
     
    mary

    RE: .32
    
    Me too!! - and not just 11:11, but 1:11, 2:22, 3:33, etc.  It got to a
    point about a year ago, that I started keeping track.  It was every
    day, at least 3-4 times a day, with some days reaching 7-8 times.  
    
    It was really making me "crazy" for a while!  "Why is this happening?"
    "What does it mean?"  I finally decided that when it was time, I would
    know.  Well, I think I got my answer when I was reading through all
    these notes last night.
    
    
    Susan
    
    
    
    

    
    It happens to me all the time too.
    
    I also regularly ring up $11.11 grocery bills.
    
    Carla
    

    My daughter was born at 11:11 a.m. on 04/21/89.
    I thought at the time that it was an interesting
    time and number.
    
    Jim C.
    

  Hmmm, the number 69 turns up for me an awful lot. I wonder if it means
  something? Anybody else notice this?

    re:.37
    
    Probably just a dirty mind. 8-)
    
    Jim C.
    

    Mike,
    
    Yeah '69!
    
    The Year I graduated from High School!
    
    ;-)
    -Arthur

  No kidding?! Me too! Born in '51, right? Forty this year!! Big stuff!

    Mike....
    
    You got it! the big 4-0 
    
    1-1-1-1 = 4 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeee!!!!
    
    8-13-51  Norwood Senior High School  Norwood, MA
    
    -Arthur 8-)
    

Re 69:

Let's look at it.  It reduces to 3 * 23.  23, to be sure, being a prime, reduces
to 5. 5 * 3 = 15, which reduces to 6, which is the initial number of 69.  6, is
not a prime number, which is instructive (neither is 9).  2*3 = 6, for that
matter, while 3^2 = 9  (Note the ascending mode in the 6 and the descending
mode in the 9. 2^3 =8, which is nearly the square root of 69 (and is the integer
of that square root).  

For fun, let's look at 11:11.  11 * 11 is 121, which reduces to 3.  We progress,
with odd numbers 3, 5, _, 9, 11.  (Why no 7?  Well, 11+11 = 22, which reduces
to 4.  3+4 = 7; 4 *3 = 12).  If we add in the 7, we can also include the 12,
which itself redices to 3, leaving the sequence  3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 12 (note, 
counting reduction, tyhe sequence begins and ends with 3, and 69 is a multiple
of 3.

12*12 = 144; 144-121 = 23, which, as it happens, is the second prime factor of
69 (see above).  23 also happens to be linked to the number of chromosomes in
humans, which may have something to do with the fdact, since 23 reduces to 5,
that there are 5 major aspects of a human (2 arms, 2 legs, and a head/neck; 5
fingers per hand and 5 toes per foot, etc).  [For those purists, there are 46
chromosomes, but also, there are 2 genders; 46/2 = 23.]

Steve Kallis, Jr.

  

    Looks like 'lunch' to me. :-)

    Mary, I loved your comment. :-) in .43.
    
    Steve, if everything is traced to 23, does this mean that the
    Illuminatti are coming into the open at last. :-)
    
    PJ

    re: .42 (Steve)
    
         Er, Steve, 11*11=121 which reduces to 4, not 3.  But you cover
    4 with 11+11, so you're safe.
    
    Frederick
    

Re .44  (PJ):

Interesting that your reply is .44.

    >Steve, if everything is traced to 23, does this mean that the
    >Illuminatti are coming into the open at last. :-)
 
Hint:

Note that there are 22 Major Arcana in the Tarit deck. ;-)

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    :-)

    
    	Re .35,
    
    	ur1,2,eh? single, i mean. %^)

    Hmmmmm..... Ellen White, the Seventhday Adventist prophet said that we
    would pass through Orion on the way to heaven. Seems I remember it as the 
    sword instead of the belt.  She wrote that well over a hundred years
    ago. 
    
    john
    
    

    Re: Orion's Belt
    
    Isn't Sirius one of the stars in the belt?  I think I remember
    something about it being in Orion.  And if so, I would point out that
    the Ancient Egyptians, and more recently discovered, the Dogon of West
    Africa have ceremonies oriented around Sirius...so this just points to
    the fact the Africans are apparently aware and preparing for this new
    age....just a point.
     

    Re .50
    
    Sirius is near the constellation of Orion but not in it.  It is not one
    of the stars in the belt.  Regarding Orion as a human figure, Sirius is
    a bright star to the left of Orion's feet.
    
    Earl Wajenberg

Re .51 (Earl):

In fact, Sirius is the brightest star in the constellation Canis Major (or
"The Big Dog). [It happens to be the "brightest" star as seen from the Solar 
System, but that's just a bonus.]  It was used to mark the start of the 
ancient Egyptian years.  Colloqually, Sirius was known as "the Dog Star," and
its appearance in the summer led to the term "Dog Days."

Steve Kallis, Jr.

    In conventional projections onto the constellations, Canis Major (most
    importantly, Sirius) is frequently interpretted, along with Canis Minor
    (the little dog) as Orion The Hunter's hunting dogs.  So in legend at
    least, the connection is not limited to being a purely geometric
    juxtaposition.

				    Topher

        This is taken from the Starry Messenger a quarterly
              newspaper from Star-Borne Unlimited.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

A Message to Humanity from the Golden, Solar Angels for 1991
               by Solara Antara Amaa-Ra

We the Golden Solar Angels who emanate from the Great Central Sun hereby
announce that our Missions upon Earth are nearing completion. The 
following is an outline of our service to the planet:

____________________________________________________________________________

#1 We were to watch over, guide, protect and inspire the Angels incarnate
upon Earth during the period when you were unawakened. This we term
the Guardian Angel level.

#2 When the Angels on Earth reached a certain level of remembrance,
out task was to contact you on a more personal level, reminding you
that we are your Higher Selves. This we term the Celestial Guardian level.

#3 After the veils of separation between us were dissolved, we helped
you to merge with us and embody your full Presence. This we term the
Golden, Solar Angel level.

#4 Then we helped you to remember your starry origins by triggering your
pre-encoded cellular memory banks. This we term the Reactivation of the
Star-Borne.

#5 Now you were ready to rise into full empowerment and reclaim your 
Divine Birthright and Heritage. This we term the Archangel Mikael level.

#6 As you unified the myraid fragments of your being, we aided you in
embracing your starry vastness. This we term the Starry Overself level.

#7 Next you evolved into a new awarness of our inherent Oneness. This 
we term the Star That We Are level.

#8 United as One, we rewove the threads of our beings into the fabric of
the Greater Reality. This we term the level of the One.

#9 During the time of the Great Awakening after we had answered the 
Call to Activation with our total commitment to fulfill our Divine
Missions upon Earth, we stepped forth and let our Unified Presence be
felt! This we term the activation of the Council of One.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

By doing this, we have reached the impending completion of the spiral of
evolution we have been evolving since our first descent into matter. Our
collective Oneness is ready to graduate from the limitations of time,
space and matter. We are stepping free from the template of duality long
in effect upon this dimensional universe.

This present time is of critical importance in the entire cycle of 
evolution, for we are hereby given the opportunity to step beyond our
previous boundaries, to extend the very parameters of the Unknown, to
move onto a new template of Oneness.

As always, the choice is up to you. We who have served you with our
fullest commitment, hereby pass the sceptre of reponsibilty into your
hands. If you choose to complete the nine levels of awareness available
within the old spiral of duality, you shall be free to move onto the
new spiral.

We, the Golden Solar Angels of The Great Central Sun, can no longer
perceive you as separate from ourselves, for you are not, nor have ever
been. The sacred merger must be made now. You must no longer perceive us 
separate from you. We can only serve you after we have been reunited with
you. We are woven together irrevocably into the cloth of Oneness. It is 
time for you to step forward openly an make our Unified Presence felt!

The importance of this time cannot be overstated. A full Activation is 
in effect. You are hereby charged to serve with the fullness of your
Presence in order to aid in the complete activation of the Star-Borne.
The time is now. Many are calling for our assistance that they may rise
into full remembrance. Your help is greatly needed, as never before.

The Call to Return has issued forth; the 11:11 has been activated. Now
is the time to set free your crystal arrows that we may gather together
our starry family and prepare for the journey through the Doorway of
the 11:11.

As we make visible the Unseen we are weaving the threads of our beings
between the old and new spirals of evolution. This energy transfer creates
the doorway. The Golden Solar Angels hereby fulfill the final Purpose by
aiding the portion of humanity who choose themselves, to move through
the passageway into New Octaves of Awareness.

Let it be known that this year of 1991 is the most important year of
your entire cycle of earthly embodiments thus far. Your full
particpation is needed as never before!

    I can't understand what they want done.  I wish the Solar Angels had
    a good tech writer on staff.
    
    Can anyone figure out exactly what it is that they want us to do?
    
    Mary

    .50
    
    I believe there is a strong connection, Playtoe.  
    
    mary

          
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    re .57
    
    :-)
    Yea, Marcos.. but what do they *really* want?
    
    A spiritual quantum leap shouldn't require physical political
    organization like that you mention.

    I know, Marcos... I guess I'm just sprinkling on my little grain of
    salt.

Re:...well lots, actually...;-)

>	The Next Major Planetary Activation
>
>	11:11    January 11, 1992

Point of information. Which time zone is this in?
Or doesn't it matter? (I mean, it won't be 11:11 for
me at the same time as you east_coast_USAers).

John D.

    re .62
    
    Thanks Paul... 
    Why is it that I always feel so much better after hearing from you?
    
    .63
    
    Exact times and places shouldn't make any difference actually, as I
    seem to remember someone (was it Carole?) saying that the 'door' would 
    be open for 20 years....   
    
    mary

    
    RE:  what to do
    
    Well, the article does give ideas on what to do next.  People can also
    write or call the group mentioned in one of the earlier notes and I'm
    sure they would be willing to answer questions.  To ask us here what 
    'they' want may not get the answers you are looking for.
    
    If a person is not open to the ideas shared in the article, then it
    won't matter.  If a person does feel the article is of value, than
    I would think that the group publishing it would also be thought of
    as valuable.  They should be the source of further information.
    
    Certainly, though, we can share our ideas about what is going on to
    our hearts content ;^)!
    
    Carole

Re: .62 (Paul)

> God is indwelling
> in all of us, and no one is going to be better able to order our lives
> than we ourselves.  That's the "necessity of freedom", as Stephen
> Donaldson calls it, the freedom to make our own mistakes and our own
> wise choices just as every other creature does.  Just believe that God
> is within you and don't get bowled over by others who claim to "know
> better"...only when each of us takes responsibility for our own lives
> will we advance (however haltingly) toward God's purpose for this world

To the contrary, this is *exactly* what the "ascended masters" espouse.  
This is also why you can make such a statement with such confidence 
without claiming to be anything other than what you are.  It serves no 
purpose for *real* ascended masters to make such public "self-appointed" 
claims.  They are doing the real work behind the scenes while those who 
publicly rank themselves among the "elite" are only talking about it.

Jeff

Re: me

BTW, I was not refering at all to the group being discussed here... only 
to Paul's statements in general.  I don't know anything about this 
group.

    
    RE: .64 Mary
    
    Yes Mary.  The article mentions that the door will be open from 
    January 11, 1992 until December 31, 2012 (I think I got that right).
    However, for the 1/11/92 focused activities, I believe there was a
    brief mention of this occurring at 11:11, but it did not say am or pm,
    or time zone.  Again, a call to the number listed in the earlier notes
    can clarify this for you.
    
    John, I realize that this is a *very* long distance call for you, so
    if I get the chance I will call and then enter the info here.
    
    Carole

    Coincidentally, I was researching the meaning of some Mayan symbols
    that I am incorporating into some artwork.  I used Jose Arguelles (sp)
    book entitled the Mayan Factor as a reference.  What I discovered is
    how closely the Mayan dates and information of what will be happening
    in the next 20 years coincides with this 11:11 literature.  
    
    FWIW
    
    Ro
    

Note 1476.65            
WILLEE::FRETTS 
    
    Ok.. I'm going to share my ideas then. :-)
    
    When this all started (at the Harmonic Convergence), there was no 
    'organization' telling us what to do.  
    We all just sort of followed the calling in our hearts.  We were
    pulled into something we perceived as being greater than ourselves and we 
    acted purely on instinct.
    
    There were many who laughed and jeered at us then, as there are now. 
    But there was no politics involved, no money involved, no criteria, no
    rules, no system... just us on top of a foggy mountain in the dawn 
    drizzle waiting for we-knew-not-what.  And we made our way down that
    mountain in the dawn's light, wet and cold and not really understanding
    any more than we did when we went up... but we had changed and we knew
    it... we knew it.
    
    That was faith... that whole experience was an expression of pure
    faith.  Not faith in an organization but in the mystery and power of
    life itself.
    
    So I figure that.. since I began this journey cold and wet and empty
    handed and purposeless, that I'll probably continue it that way...
    walking under the cold, starry sky calling out to the power and mystery
    to come to me.
    
    I don't know... just a feeling...
    
    Mary

	.69 Ro
	
	The people  who  wrote  the  11:11 literature must've read Jose's
	book.  No??   ;')

    
    I might have it somewhere Marcos.  Might take me awhile to find it
    though.
    
    Carole

    Does make one wonder J2 (.71)  8^)   BTW, the artwork I mentioned
    was on my drum!  ;')
    
    Carole, please post the Hilarion info here too if you have it.
    Thanks.
    
    Ro
    

    And please post the dark brotherhood stuff too, if you find it, Carole.
    Maybe we all need to be reminded.

    
    Wwwwaaaahhhhhh!  I don't have it anywhere!  rats!
    
    Carole

    Reminded of What about the Dark Brotherhood?
    
    -duh?

    I don't know what I'm talking about half the time, Arthur... you know
    that. :-)

    Marcos, what has the Dark Brotherhood to do with The Opening of the
    Gate?
    
    Since this material came from the Dark Brotherhood itself, then why
    should we believe it?  Couldn't they be deceiving us with
    misinformation?  
    
    Some of it just doesn't feel right to me.
    
     Mary

    re: .81
    
    >...NOT A SINGLE POSITIVE EFFECT CAN EVER FLOW FROM SUCH NEGATIVE
    >EMOTIONAL STATES.
    
    	Who never ate his bread in sorrow
    	Who never spent the midnight hours
    	Weeping, waiting for the 'morrow
    	He knows you not ye heavenly powers.
    
    		Goethe
    
    Joel
    

    
    Mary, I don't believe the information came from the Dark Brotherhood.
    It states in there somewhere that the source of the words is part of
    the White Brotherhood.
    
    I just finished reading this over and it left me with the same feeling
    it did the first time I read it.  It feels like we are pawns is some
    cosmic game, where decisions are made that effect us but that we have
    no say about, and then when we are affected by all of this, we are
    looked at as having failed the test.
    
    I agree that it is very important to ask questions about all the things
    that are now coming our way.  Be discerning.  Follow your heart.  I
    also agree with the article that the most important thing of all is to
    live our lives from Love.
    
    Carole

    
    Carole,  
    
    It said the following:
    
    "The Dark Brotherhood attempted initially to SOUND LIKE US, but could not
fully accomplish that deception.  After a few days, it occurred to our
contact that the control of his channel might have shifted, and so he asked
directly the nature of the source then manipulating at the other end.  It
had been agreed that in answer to a direct question, the Dark Brothers would
have to admit to their identify, AND THIS OCCURED.

We were interested to observe that, rather than simply cease to use his
channel, our contact decided to take advantage of the opportunity to learn
as much as he could about the Dark Brothers, by asking questions of the one
who was responsible for the other end of the link.  Because the Dark
Brothers realized that there was now no hope of succeeding in the attempt to
steer him away from the light, they went along with his wishes and provided
all of the information he wanted.  Our contact had rightly concluded that
the turning over of his channel to the Dark Brothers had been part of an
agreement of some kind, and assumed that at a later point the link would be
re-established with us.  This did happen some three weeks later, but in the
**meantime many pages of notes had been collected through the willingness of
the dark entity to co-operate.***"
    
    Why should the dark entity cooperate?  Surely that isn't in his
    nature nor in his charter.  Possibly his cooperation was another
    attempt to sow fear and feelings of helplessness.
    
>    I just finished reading this over and it left me with the same feeling
>    it did the first time I read it.  It feels like we are pawns is some
>    cosmic game, where decisions are made that effect us but that we have
>    no say about, 
    
    I have felt that way too.
    
>    and then when we are affected by all of this, we are
>    looked at as having failed the test.
    
    Life is strange, you know?  Perhaps they are the ones who are really
    being tested... perhaps it is them who have been tested all along.
    
    Mary

    Carole and Mary,
    
    I haven't had time to read the whole booklet, but I skimmed through
    it and read the last two paragraphs.  These both ring true in my
    experience when groups get caught up in GLAMOUR and EGO.  Easy traps
    to fall in to.
    
    Guess this material is like anything else, we need to read through
    and extract the wheat from the shaft.  ;')
    
    Ro
    

    and then there's ...
    
    re: .82, 
    
    	"Where got I that truth ?
    	 Out of a medium's mouth,
    	 Out of nothing it came,
    	 Out of the forest loam,
    	 Out of the dark night where lay
    	 The crowns of Nineveh."
    
    			W.B. Yeats

    
    Hi Mary,
    
    The excerpt you entered, I believe, is speaking about some material
    that was allowed to come through the channel from the Dark Brotherhood.
    That material was not the article we are reading.
    
    Here's the part I was thinking about:
    
    "When the Dark Brotherhood asks to be allowed into a given plane, it 
     must present its reasons, and it must offer something in return to the 
     White Brotherhood, which is the broad term defining the Spiritual 
     Heirarchy of this planet.  For example, we at this level are a part of 
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     the White Brotherhood."
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
     Carole

    I guess I'm just the suspicious type. :-)

    I find it interesting that they single out Jesus as the
    one true earthly master...   makes _me_ suspicious of 
    the source...

    Yea... and did you catch that part about judging a seeker by
    appearance?  Doesn't sound like high spiritual knowledge to me.
    I've known of many crippled and ugly people who shone like the sun
    inside... Stephen Hawking for an example of a brilliant mind within
    a crippled body.
    
    I still think that they may end up being surprised to find out 
    that it is they who are being tested... perhaps it has been all along.
    :-)
    	(one of life's little jokes no doubt)
    
    Mary

whenever i hear someone condemning the attraction of pleasure and
materialism, one name comes into my mind:



Gruad Grayface!
;-)							paul

Re: .64, Mary
    
>    Exact times and places shouldn't make any difference actually, as I
>    seem to remember someone (was it Carole?) saying that the 'door' would 
>    be open for 20 years....   
    
Thanks, you're right - its just that "11:11" suggests a certain
accuracy. Also I thought that the 'startup' idea was to have a
certain number of minds (144,000) all doing the same thing at
the same time.

John D.

Re: .68, Carole

>    John, I realize that this is a *very* long distance call for you, so
>    if I get the chance I will call and then enter the info here.
    
much appreciated! :-)

John D.

Note 1476.92            
VAXRIO::MARCOS                                       
    

    
>Well Mary, I posted it because you yourself asked for that to be done in
>1476.76, remember? And also 1476.75 asked the same thing. Moreover I think the
>whole thing is very interesting and the source Hilarion was recommended in
>1199.15. 

    Just a little confusion, Marcos.  I didn't ask why you posted it, I
    asked what the Dark Brotherhood had to do with the opening of the gate.

    I agree though, we must really be careful.

> The easiest way to discern the truth of any movement is to study its leader or
  founder.  

    Good advice, but I prefer to descern truth by examining the truth
    itself.  Real Truth has no leader or founder,... it just *Is*.
    It is organizations that have leaders and founders, and organizations
    are not necessarily dedicated to 'real truth'.

    I hesitate to accept this material in total, Marcos.. because I see 
    falsehood in it.  
    It suggests to judge by appearance and that rings false to me.
    Mother Theresa would never win a beauty contest but she is considered
    to be a saint by many and shines like the sun inside.
    
    I guess then I'll thank you for entering it and heed carefully the
    warnings it brings ... 
    
    mary

    I understand now...  Thank you, Marcos.

    re: .99,
    
>One's aspect should be appropriate to one's situation, 
    
    	Amen.
    
    	... and knowing our 'true' situation is ... problematic ... ?
    
    	Ever think about what happens to other species in nature
    	that overpopulate and overconsume ?  Increasingly
    	intense social organization, increasing subordination of the
    	individual to the group, increasing speciallization of function.
    	Or extinction.
    
    	Just an analogy, of course.  No real bearing to the chosen children
    	with dominion over the Earth.   Probably no choice in the matter,
    	since the cleanup squad will fix it all up in the Second Coming.
    
    	The happy human-bees that remain in the resulting paradise will not 
    	mourn the loss of the values of individual freedom.  It was a silly
    	idea, anyway.  Small-group ideals not suited for the proper
    	condition of Humanity, a giant speciallized hive crawling with
    	divine life eating each other.  
    	
    									todd

    Hi Todd (.100),
    
    The Bill Moyer's special on PBS last night about 'religion and the
    environment' coincidentally ties in with your note wonderfully.
    
    Wishing everyone watched it and was inspired by its 'vision',
    
    Ro
    

    Hi Ro (.101),
>                             -< 'make it so' JLP >-
    
    	Thanks for that imagery.  It's a nice positive balance to my
    	human bee-hive thoughts this morning.  :-)
    
    							todd

	.102 todd
	
	Yeah. I wondered what got into you this morning.
	I didn't see any smiley faces.  
	I couldn't tell if you were from Sirius or not.
	
	;')
	
	Jay

    Todd,
    
    Let's not *think* about eating each other up in one large
    mass community lunch program... ***shivers-me-timbers****
    
    I hope who needed to know what you wrote in .102 will read it.
    
    
    
    Jay,
    
    You mean Todd was on Sirius and became too Serious
    this AM?
    
    -A

>    You mean Todd was on Sirius and became too Serious

	He cudda bin on drugs.
	Who knows?
	
	;')

    
    May be just coincidence, but yesterday at the U.S Open Golf
    championship in Chaska, Minnesota one person died and five were injured
    when they were struck by lightning...
    1st round
    11th hole
    1 person dead
    
    
    			Jimbert

    Things are getting pretty strange all right.. the volcanos, storms,
    lightning...
    
    I'm feeling so incredibly tense lately too.
    
    Man... when those gates open, I hope I'm the first one out.
    
    mary

    Hey Mary...nyuk nyuk you posted your note at 11:11am
    
    -Arthur

    Gee... maybe it'll give those gates a push.

    re: .104, 
    
    Hi Arthur,
    
    	I was serious/Sirius in both .100 and .102, my mood was lighter
    	in .102 because I recognized that I was caught up in 
    	a tiny little Malthusian world in .100, and that others
    	may not want to talk about it or think about it.
    
>    I hope who needed to know what you wrote in .102 will read it.
    
    	I hope that those who might need to know what is implied 
    	in .100 will read it also.  It's not 'impossible.'  Negative visions 
    	can have their place too, you know ?  A lot of what we do is driven 
    	by the desire to avoid something nasty as well as head toward 
    	something nice.
    
    	The 'cult of unconditional positivity' makes no sense to me.  
    
    	To me, a positive vision always implies a negative one by
    	reference.  Choose not to dwell on the negative if you wish,
    	but don't deny its importance in helping us define the positive.
    
    	I hope that helps clarify my intention a little bit.
    
    								todd

  
  Could whoever set .81 hidden either explain why or un-hide it again please ?
  
  [ Alternatively, could the author please mail me a copy as the subsequent
  discussion suggests that it would be interesting to read ... ]
  
  Thanks,
  
  Frank

    re: .111, (Paul)
    
    	> misplaced Gestalt
    
    As in "my cup frequently runneth over, making me appear two-faced ?"
    
    						;-)
    
    							todd

                    THE NEXT MAJOR PLANETARY ACTIVATION

                                   11:11

                         THE OPENING OF THE DOORWAY


   THE OPENING:
   On January 11th, 1992 the Doorway of the 11:11 will open. This is the
next major planetary activation following the Harmonic Convergence which
took place in August 1987. This doorway will remain open for twenty years,
closing on December 31st, 2011. The 11:11 Opening signifies the graduation
of the Star-Borne from the template of Duality, and their movement as a
Unified Presence onto the new spiral of Oneness.

   THE TWO SPIRALS:
   The Doorway of the 11:11 is a bridge that serves to momentarily connect
two entirely separate spirals of evolution. We have been traveling on the
spiral of Duality, being subject to it's inherent limitation, separation,
and fragmentation of self, since our initial descent into matter. On the
New Spiral of Oneness our existence will be of limitlessness, freedom, unity
and an endless spontaneity and creativity of spirit..., that never repeats.

   THE STAR-BORNE:
   The Star-Borne are all of us presently incarnate who know that we 
originate from beyond this planet. We are begining to remember that we chose
to undergo incarnation on Earth in order to serve in the merging Duality.
And once this was achieved we would be able to move the planet and the portions
of humanity who will choose themselves, onto the new spiral of Oneness.

   WHEELS WITHIN WHEELS:
   The Doorway of the 11:11 opens by groups of people gathering together in 
myriad locations all over the world on January 11th 1992 to form Starry
Mandalas.  These Starry Mandalas are th Wheels Within Wheels which will create
the key that opens the Doorway of th 11:11. As these groups come into
synchronization with the other groups that are forming worldwide, a wave will
form, sweeping the Earth, thus anchoring in the New Spiral of Oneness.

   SOLARA:
   Solara is the Initiator the 11:11 Activation. She is an Angelic Messenger
from the Greater Central Sun System here to call forth the Star-Borne into
Full Activation, Remembrance and Awakening. For the past few years Solara
has been traveling extensively putting forth the call, giving workshops and
reunions, and preparing the way for the Opening of the Doorway of the 11:11.
She has written four books and an 11:11 booklet that are triggers for the
Awakening of the Star-Borne. Their titles are: "The Star-Borne- A Remembrance
for the Awakened Ones," "EL AN RA- the Healing of ORION," "The Legend of
Altazar- A Fragment of the True History of Planet Earth," "Invoking Your
Celestial Guardians." and "The 11:11 Booklet."


       +--------------------------------------------------------------+
       |               The 11:11, is a pre-encoded trigger            |\\
       |            placed within our cellular memory banks           |\\
       |    prior to our descent into matter which, when activated,   |\\
       |         signifies that our time of completion is here.       |\\
       |                                                              |\\ 
       +--------------------------------------------------------------+\\
          \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\

                  For more information on the 11:11 contact:
                             STAR-BORNE UNLIMITED
                   Rt. 7 Box 191B, Charlottesville, VA 22901
                   Ph.# (804) 974-7771, FAX# (804) 974-7807.

  It occurred to me to check to see what date 1 January 1992 falls on in
  the Hebrew calendar to see if there was anything interesting about it.
  It turns out to be 6 Shvat 5752 (a sabbath, as I had mentioned in a
  previous reply). Shvat is the fifth month, so this becomes in
  month-day-year (which is peculiar to the US -- most other countries
  use day-month-year): 5-6-5752. In day-month-year, it's 6-5-5752.

  In either case, do any of you numerologists out there see anything
  interesting? Does anyone know what date it falls on in the Islamic
  calendar (which is probably used by more people on the planet than any
  other calendar)?

    A little prestidigitation:
    
    5 (Shvat) plus 6 (day of Shvat) = 11  --->
    5+7+5+2 (year)                  = 19      |
    1+9 (add number of year)        = 10      |
    10+11                           = 21      |
    2+1 (again add number of year)  =  3      |
    7 (Shabbat)+3 (from above)      = 10      |
    1+0                             =  1:11 <-
    
    Make of it what you will.
    
    Laura  

    A little more prestidigitation:
    
        5 (Shvat) plus 6 (day of Shvat) = 11  --->
        5+7+5+2 (year)                  = 19      |
        1+9 (add number of year)        = 10      |
        1+0                             =  1
        1+0                             =  1:11 <-
    
     Now, quickly:
    
     Can you recite your telephone number, Digitial badge, social security
    number, and birthdate in numeric form?  Yes?  Then try this quickly:
    
    Recite your mother's birthdate and phone number, your signigicant
    other's birthdate and phone number, your children's birthdates, your
    home address and zip code, and your office zip code, plus the date you
    were hired.  If you still are not winded, recite the square route of
    pi, to 20 positions.
    
    Does it all add up to 11?  It all proves something, doesn't it?  If you
    still have energy, add it all up and convert it all to hexadecimal.
    
    Me, I'm goin' fishin. . .
    
    Laura (born under the sign of Sceptic (Pisces))
          (with lots of 9's)

	Hi all,

	Someone asked awhile back during the Hilarion discussion if
    	I could get some ISBN numbers for some of the Hilarion
        publications.	Well, I finally made it to Unicorn Books and 
    	copied down some titles	and ISBN numbers.  Here they are:

	Publisher:      Marcus Books
	                P.O. Box 327
	                Queensville, Ontario
	                Canada  L0G  1R0

	
	Vision - Beyond the Apocalypse - A New Age Model
	ISBN 0-919951-04-X

	Symbols
	ISBN 0-919951-12-0

	Seasons of the Spirit
	ISBN 0-919951-14-7

	The Nature of Reality
	ISBN 0-919951-14-7

	Answers
	ISBN 0-919951-06-6

	More Answers
	ISBN 0-919951-20-1

	Other Kingdoms
	ISBN 0-919951-38-4

	Nations
	ISBN 0-919951-16-3

	
	Other titles available:

	  Dark Robes, Dark Brothers
	  Body Signs
	  Wildflowers
	  Astrology
	  Threshold
	  


	You can send to the publisher for a catalog.

	Carole

    Carole,
    	Thanks for getting the info for me.
    
    Did you have time to browse the books themselves? Any feelings on which
    one to start with?
    
    Thanks again,
    		Martin
    

    re  .115
    
    
              When I add 5 (day)+6 (month)+5752 (year) I get 30. Further 
    reduction yields 3- the number of manifestation. Now we're getting
    somewhere!
    
                                    Later,
                                     Mark
    
    

    
    Hi Martin,
    
    I picked up 3 of the books - Other Kingdoms, Vision, and Nations.
    I've read the last 2.  Nations was rather depressing and it doesn't
    look like many of the nations are fulfilling their purpose (according
    to Hilarion).  Vision has a more positive focus, and provides 
    suggestions for how to begin building a better world.  They didn't
    hit me as very important works, but someone else might feel
    differently.  Why don't you check one out and see what you think.
    I'm not sure of the order of these books either.
    
    Carole

    I haven't finished reading all the replies yet (catching up after being
    out on maternity leave), but the first I heard of any special
    significance to 11:11 (or a string of 1's) was several weeks ago... a
    friend made the comment to another friend that it would be 11:11 for a
    few more seconds, he'd better hurry up and make his wish.
    
    As for .37's reply - I can't seem to escape it either, sometimes. ;-)

	As an interesting sidenote... with reference to the Philadelphia
	Experiment topics in DECWET::PHYSICS #222 & WIDGET::UFOS #36 there
	was an entry from W.John Guinea (PHYSICS 222.11+, UFOS 36.38+)
	where the following was mentioned regarding the alledged experiences
	of 3 scientists who claim to have been involved with the Phil. Exp. ..

>A long story shortened for now, they eventually got one of their best subjects
>to imagine a vortex connecting the present with the past. A vortex appeared
>which they were able to step into that would pull them through a corkscrew
>shaped tunnel (good descriptions were given by Duncan) and end up in the
>past or future. Lots of information on time effects, things seen etc.
>Some of what they saw in the future ligned up well with some predictions made
>by Nostradamus (please, again no attacks here :-) ). They were able to go up
>to 10,000 years into the future. They claimed that after the year 2015 +/- 
>a few years, there was no longer a tangable "planet" but it was a dream
	      ^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^ ^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^ ^^^ ^ ^^^^^
>state feeling. There was a very distinct "wall" at this point in time with
 ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>nothing real on the other side. They refused to comment on other things seen
>in their trips to the future.


	Jeepers! Any comments? BTW read these 2 topics if you are interested,
	they are very good.

								- JIM CAD*

    Could this vortex possibly be the one that is flattening crops in
    circular patterns in England?
    
    Jamie.

    Well, these last two notes are definitely related.  I can see this
    happening right now... my husband and Van Morrison call it the 'waking
    dream'.   
    
    Thats why it's so important for us to decide what we want and how we
    want to live.
    
    I'll have to read that book.

	RE: -1

	Can you give a (brief) explanation of the "waking dream" idea.
	BTW - Fields of the Nephilim sing about dreams in their last
	album, but this seemed to be relevent to the novel What Dreams May
	Come & the dreamlike state after death. I presume your term "dream"
	relates more to a new state of existence?

	RE: -2

	Only my opinion, but I think that the vortex described is not anything
	to do with the corn_circles that are appearing. I believe these to be 
	likely due to a more "physical" source, from wherever. I like
	the UFO idea myself.

								- JIM CAD*

re:                  <<< Note 1476.126 by FORTY2::CADWALLADER >>>
                        -< Oh no, not dreams again... >-


>	Can you give a (brief) explanation of the "waking dream" idea.

Well, the waking dream idea is that waking life (the one your in reading this)
is a dream.  The people and things around you are just characters and props in
your dream.  Of course they all have their own waking dream and you're just a
prop in theirs.  If you pay attention to events around you, you can interpret
them in a similar fashion as you would interpret a dream you had while
sleeping.  If you can get the logical side of your being to go along with this,
you can learn some interesting things.

I hope that's brief enough.

		Dave

    
    Not unique to Celtic rock musicians or DEJAVU-ites, either...several
    Amerindian cultures (Hopi, Navajo, Maya come immediately to mind)
    incorporate in their religious/spiritual traditions the belief that
    this plane of existence is a dream, from which one awakens at the
    moment of death...
    
    gloria

    
    Does the dreamer ever awaken?  Or does he merely awaken into another
    dream... like the Krishna...

    re .130  (Paul)
    
    
    "I was blind all the time I was learning to see"
    
    				The Grateful Dead  :-)

    You timed that, didn't you? :-)

aren't computers amazing?

    yes :-)

    Now that the hour is approaching when all those star born types will
    turn into pumpkins, isn't it time to resurrect this topic? Today I
    wasted my lunch hour in a bookshop called the Expanded Mind. There I
    saw a bunch of pamphlets inviting people to participate, so I thought
    I'd find out if anyone else was anticipating anything.
    
    johN

Did anyone feel it?

    No. 
    
    BTW 11:11 in which timezone?
    
    Jamie.

    No.
    
    Laurie.

    Re .142

    >Perhaps the question should be ....
    >.... any missing noters?

    Rightsized from this existence to the next?

    Jamie.

    
    I spent the day mostly at home resting.  I was exhausted.
    
    Just to clarify about moving through the doorway.  The doorway 
    supposedly opened on 1/11/92 and it is to stay open for 20 years.
    From what I read it never said that people were going to walk
    through to another dimension/plane on Saturday and not be here
    anymore.
    
    Carole

> Just to clarify about moving through the doorway.  The doorway
> supposedly opened on 1/11/92 and it is to stay open for 20 years.

The operative word here is "supposedly", because if you read reply .138:

> ( Master Number Activation Schedule for 1991/1992 )
> [...]
> January 5, 1992 - The 11:66 Throne Energies Activation, #3
> January  16, 1992 - The 11:77  " ( The Big One ) "    , #4
> [...]
> The activations  began  on
> November  11,  1991, and will proceed in 11  day  cycles  through
> January 27, 1992.  As you can see January 11, 1992, was never the
> 11:11 activation date as many believe.

So you can see that this 11 January business was just a decoy to direct
attention away from the real action. However, if you check out reply
.132 of this topic, you will see that it would behoove some folks to
pay attention to exactly who knows about what in this spirit business.

    
    Hi Mike,
    
    I guess it doesn't matter which scenario you consider, since they
    are both talking about the same thing occurring but just on a
    different schedule.  .138 says that the opening of the doorway
    occurs this Thursday, January 16th.  It still supposedly will be
    open for a period of time.
    
    Don't get me wrong....I question all of this.  However, it was
    never stated in either scenario that anyone would leave this
    reality on the *day*.
    
    Carole

    Hi Carole,
    
    Thanks for clarifying this a bit.  Although, I don't buy in to the
    whole 11:11 phenomenom per se, I did have some friends over Saturday
    evening and we discussed the event from different perspectives
    (Biblical, philisophical, psychological, Mayan calendar, etc.).
    
    Ro
    

    
    It does sound a bit like the New Age answer to the Biblical Reality of
    the Rapture of the Saints.
    
    i Guess when i go, New Agers will assume i done and gone through that
    door-way thingy.
    
    Pretty strange to me how people really want to believe this new stuff
    when The Truth has already been recorded for over 1900 years!!
                                              Saint jOHN
    

No, but I've been at some minor ones in Turkey.

    
    Hi Marcos,
    
    To me, the article you quoted is speaking about a different phenomena
    than is discussed in the 11:11 writings.
    
    Carole

FWIW
As I was not thinking/looking for affects over the last 2 months or so, I can't 
say that my experiences are associated with the 11:11 stuff, but I have noticed
an increase in sensitivety/awareness/vision, starting somewhere in early 
November (I didn't record dates, just that it was after Halloween).



Regarding the "portals" discussed in .149, for those who believe (I'm not certain 
that I do or do not), could the Kuwait fires be related.  They do still burn,
Iraq (Hussein) was interested in that territory;  does Kuwait fit into the area
that used to be Mesopotamia?  I suppose the fires could be interpreted as an
attempt to block the portals (or otherwise control access).

Beth
(ever imaginative)

    The last of the Kuwait oil fires were put out a few months ago, well
    ahead of expectations.  (New technique:  They took to bulldozing
    incredible mounds of earth onto them.  That worked.)
    
    No, Kuwait is not part of Mesopotamia.  Iraq "includes most of the
    ancient Mesopotamia", however.
    
    						Ann B.

    Mesopotamia (ancient Greek for "land between rivers") was the area
    between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers in what is now northeast Iraq. 
    The area consisted of several city-states, the most well known of which
    are Babylon and Sumer, which were always at war or being conquered by
    outsiders.
    
    I don't know anyone personally who's been east of Jerusalem.  From my
    art history classes I can think of two things that might pass for a
    "gigantic portal" (but I can't remember where in the Mesopotamian
    valley either one of them Is): 1) the Lion Gate; or 2) A "tower" along
    the lines of the imfamous one in Babylon, but what they call a tower
    looks more like a small flat-topped pyramid to me.
    
    
    Ginny

    The Lion Gate is in Mycenae in Greece. Not really near Mesopotamia.

    He may have meant the Dragon Gate of Babylon.
    
    							Ann B.

    No, there's a Lion gate in Mesopotamia somewhere.  It's not considered
    a "great" work of art, and it's not well preserved at all (one lion's
    head is missing).
    
    Ginny

    I went back to my art history books to check out what was written on
    Mesopotamia, and found a few interesting things.  Turkey was part of
    ancient Mesopotamia, so the portals Mike Glantz saw could apply to what
    Marcos is talking about.  "Animal gates" were as common in ancient
    Mesopotamia as arches were in the Roman empire.  Each newly victorious
    conqueror would build a palace in the new capital, with animal gates at
    the entrance to intimidate the newly conquered subjects, along with a
    temple.  Following is an extract from the book about the temples:
    
    "The central temple was invariably raised on a platform above the
    level of the surrounding town.  Generally, the temple consisted of a
    series of superimposed solid structures forming a broadly based tower
    or artificial mountain known as a ziggurat, on the summit of which
    proprietary ceremonies to the gods of nature took place.  These
    ziggurats, the one best known to us being, of course, the Tower of
    Babel (Babylon), represented an immense communal effort and were
    visible for great distances across the Mesopotamian plain.  They
    clearly symbolized humanity's attempt to reach the celestial deities
    and, during heavy weather with low-hanging clouds, may often have
    appeared to succeed. . .  Even in the later period of empires, the
    royal palace in Mesopotamia always contained a ziggurat. . .  Since the
    Sumerian name for such temples means `waiting room,' the enclosure may
    well have provided a setting in which the worshippers could await the
    descent of the deity." 
    
    The book shows photos and gives the location of two surviving
    ziggurats, both in Iraq; one in Warka (about 100 miles nw of the Kuwait
    border) and the other in El Muqeiyar (about 60 miles nw of Kuwait). 
    The one in El Muqeiyar is the larger and more well preserved of the
    two.
    
    
    Ginny

    Well!
    
    Two comments.
    
    1) I had some serious deja-vu about two-thirds the way through that,
    
    and
    
    2) Surely, people don't actually *believe* all that do they?
    
    Laurie.

> 2) Surely, people don't actually *believe* all that do they?

There's a principle in physics, whose name I can't remember, which says
that every event which has a finite (non-zero) probability of occurring
actually occurs at some point in the universe. Or, to answer your
question, I have absolutely no doubt that some people believe that.

However, I have not too long ago been at both a Roman Catholic mass and
a Jewish Shabbat service (not at the same time!). Among assorted
feelings of piety, guilt, awe, boredom, and other emotions, I wondered
at how these rituals seemed, to me, very little different from the
"primitive" rites of the tribes of Borneo (or whatever) which Margaret
Mead so eloquently described in her works.

And finally, I am totally amazed by the worship of money, technology,
and "rational thinking" which I see around me every waking minute of every day.

Yes, people actually believe everything you can think of. It's really
entertaining, isn't it?

    re: .160 (Laurie)
    
         Some of us, me for one, don't even read it.  I don't believe
    in most of that angel/spaceship-stuff.  Since I know Len Bucuvalas
    personally, maybe that has an influence, too....
    
    Frederick
    

re:  <<< Note 1476.163 by MACROW::GLANTZ "Mike @TAY 227-4299 TP Eng Littleton" >>>
>                               -< still hungry >-


:-)

    Good timing there...you must've planned that      :-)
    
    I've learned that I'm a second waver. 

    
    Good one, Mike!  (;^)
    
    Cindy

Unfortunately, I missed 1992. Was out of the office that day, and a
batch job which was supposed to handle it didn't fire off (system
probs, they said).

>it will be the end of the IRS.

Hey, great news! What with selling the house, an international relo,
and getting laid off, my 1040 for this year would've been a nightmare.
What a relief. Now I can stop saving all that paperwork. I think I'll
go home and clear out my file cabinet this very evening!

Man, am I glad I read this.

Then on the other hand, what if they're wrong?

I was just doing some arithmetic to see if there was anything
interesting about the date 12-12-1994, and happened on the fact that
1994 has only two factors: 2x997. 997 is prime. Not that this has
anything in particular to do with the 12:12 part, but it's funny I
haven't seen it mentioned anywhere.

    It looks we are already behind schedule; the Federal government has not
    admitted to anything extraterrestrial through August of 1994.
    
    How does this scenario jive with the Christian end time (ie,
    Armageddon, etc)?  If Sananda is Christ and Sanaka is John the Baptist,
    as has been said in the notes, then there has to be a tie.
    
    States Rights vs the Federal System, the Civil War again ...  The power
    brokers inside the DC beltway would never give up control peacefully.
    
    Has anyone ever tracked the accuracy of this source's predictions?  I
    have seen these lengthy naratives many times but don't usually read
    them entirely or test their success over time.  I guess the rising of
    Atlantis and Lemuria would be a significant confirmation of accruacy;
    if it happens of the physical plane.
    
    I have seen people take exception to the concept of a GWB (great white
    brotherhood) in the notes.  The "white"-ness of the group to me would
    be the luminous quality that any soul would have on a higher plane. 
    The GWB term has nothing to do with skin color or gender.  It would not
    be relevant and would be a distraction to focus on such.
    
    The Jehovah Witnesses were always preparing to be one of 144,000 to go
    to heaven.  That comes straight from the Bible, but it seems to have
    differing interpretations depending on which group you study.  The JW's
    missed their Ascension a couple times this century already.
    
    One last thing, I am not a Bible expert, but didn't Jesus (Sananda) say
    that no one would know the time and the day of the Trivulation.  What
    was described in the 12:12 concept sounded like the Trivulation to me.
    
    Just curious, tc  
    
    
    
     

>Has anyone ever tracked the accuracy of this source's predictions?

I vaguely recall Jamie or somebody trying to keep score at one point,
and I think the batting average was within epsilon of zero. I'm not
even sure monkeys at typewriters could get that close to zero, so it
makes you wonder.

    
    Marcos incarnating as Jamie...oh dear...
    
    Cindy

	yeah, but Marcos, you missed an opportunity. You were 2 minutes
	early.  ;-)

    
    Back to '69's then.  (;^)
    
    I'll never forget...back 15 years ago, I was working in the Phila.
    support office, and one of our customers wanted to create an account on
    an RSX-11M system.  Accounts were numbers back then, and he wanted
    69,69.  The system wouldn't take it.  Finally I found in a manual that 
    the system only accepted octal numbers.  He was sooooo disappointed.
    
    Cindy

    RE: .179

    What makes us think that the entities being channeled were
    speaking in decimal?  That could explain much of the "batting 
    average."

    Or, if you recall the story of Johna (sp?) and the whale, perhap
    enough people repented and so God put off Armageddon a little
    while longer.

    My theory is that the 14,000 JWs have already left.  It only looks
    like they're here.  The rest of us are in a dream, but when we
    wake up.....

    Tom

    For those of you who are too bored to read all the way through to the
    punch line, here it is.
    
    Jamie.
    
    >Subscriptions for a minimum of 4 issues are $10 ($15 foreign). For a
    >complimentary newsletter, and listing of back issues, write to WAN, 369
    >Montezuma, suite 221, Santa Fe, NM 87501 USA. If your heart is inclined
    >to donate funds to the World Ascension Network in support of the 12:12
    >global outreach, we would be most grateful! Your generosity will
    >provide us with valuable printing and postage support to help gather
    >the 144,000. These funds are not tax deductible, but do bring grace and
    >blessings to you from on high!   

    
    Thank you, Jamie.
                               
    Somehow I just *knew* your note was .182 even before reading it. (;^)
    
    Guess 11:11 is passe now.
                     
    Cindy

          
    Re.181
    
    >Messiahs of many religions will come forth to reveal themselves, Shiva
    >and Krishna (Hindu)...
    
    Not true.  Only incarnations of Vishnu come as avatars, and Shiva is 
    part of the Hindu trinity with Vishnu and Brahma.  Krishna - an avatar
    incarnation of Vishnu - has already come, and the predicted Hindu 
    avatar of this age is Kalki.  
    
    Cindy

A note from former DEJAVUer, Mike Glantz.....

Sorry that I could not fulfill his request to put it in on 11/11 at 11:11.  

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From:	US1RMC::"[email protected]" "Michael Glantz" 11-NOV-1994 09:13:29.59
To:	Cindy Painter <tnpubs::painter>
CC:	
Subj:	the ol' 11:11 takes on new (old) significance

Hi Cindy,

As I was sitting here working at my Mac, I happened to notice that 
today's date is 11/11, which, of course, rung a bell. Curiously, it also
happens that 11-nov is Armistice Day - a holiday in most of Western 
Europe commemorating the end of WWI (now celebrated at Veteran's Day in 
the States, but on a different day). I had known this from the years we 
spent previously in France, but it somehow slipped my mind when "the 
11:11" was being discussed in DEJAVU. So it appears there's some genuine
"mortal" significance to "11/11" which, I'm sure, did not escape the 
folks who dreamt it up.

Aside from missing DEJAVU, I'm currently still in relaxation mode after 
leaving Digital four weeks ago. As it turned out, I had at least one 
firm offer to stay, and had even accepted it, only to rethink that 
decision on the train ride home and then call back to say I had changed 
my mind. It's a bit early to say whether this was a smart move, but that
question should be answered shortly when I start real job hunting. The 
outplacement agency keeps telling me it will be a piece of cake (hmm, 
"let them eat cake"?).

Anyway, please say hi to the folks at DEJAVU for me. In fact, if you're 
inclined, feel free to post this mail (to the 11:11 topic, of course - 
you should be able to get it in at the appropriate time :-).

Best wishes to all,

- Mike

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