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Title:Psychic Phenomena
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Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
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1391.0. "NOMESTE Y'ALL" by REGENT::WAGNER (HOW CAN I HELP) Mon Nov 26 1990 14:05



At the end of this week, I will be taking permanent leave from Digital and 
stepping out into the unknown. Out of this unknown, I, with the help of my 
higher self, am manipulating this illusory world into a new personal reality. 
I am leaving the world of Engineering and am in the process of creating a
place for myself in the Mental Health field. Also, I am presently filling out 
applications and creating a place for myself in a Doctoral program for 
Clinical or Counseling Psychology starting next Fall. This seems to be my 
Dharma.

I've enjoyed the dialogue and other contributions among members of this 
conference. I'm sure I'll long remember those of you who have helped me 
(inadvertently or otherwise) arrive at where I am.  Thanks to all of you.  
It is time that my path must diverge from yours at DEC and steer a new 
direction.

Thanks to all,
Ernie 

I wish to leave with the final lessons: On Samsara (cycle of self 
confirmation) and The World as Symbol: Mahamudra
   


(Excerpted from "The Myth of Freedom and the Way of Meditation" by Chogyam 
Trungpa.)

			The cosmic Joke-Samsara

In order to cut through the ambition of ego, we must understand how we set up 
me and my territory, how we use our projections as credentials to prove our 
existence.  The source of the effort to confirm our solidity is an uncertainty 
as to whether or not we exist.  Driven by this uncertainty, we seek to prove 
our existence by finding a reference point outside ourselves, something with 
which to have a relationship, something solid to feel seperate from. But the 
whole enterprise is questionable if we really look back and back and back.  
Perhaps we have perpetrated a gigantic hoax? (On ourselves? EW)

	The hoax is the sense of solidity of I and other.  This dualistic 
fixation comes from nothingness.  In the beginning there is open space, zero, 
self-contained, without relationship. But in order to confirm our zeroness, 
we must create one to prove that zero exists.  But even that is not enough; we 
might get stuck with just one and zero.  So we begin to advance, venture out 
and out.  We create two to confirm one's existence and then we go out again 
and confirm two by three, three by four and so on.  We set up a background, a 
foundation from which we can go on and on to infinity.  This is what is called 
SAMSARA, the continuous vicious cycle of confirmation of existence.  one 
confirmation needs another confirmation needs another....

	The attempt to confirm our solidity is very painful.  Constantly we 
find ourselves suddenly slipping off the edge of a floor which appeared to 
extend endlessly.  Then we must attempt to save ourselves from death by 
immediately building an extension to the floor in order to make it appear 
endless again. We think we are safe on our seemingly solid floor, but then we 
slip off again and have to build another extension.  We do not realize that 
the whole process is unnecessary, that we do not need a floor to stand on, 
that we have been building these floors on the ground level. There was never 
any danger of falling  or need for support.  In fact, our occupation to secure 
our ground is a big joke, the biggest joke of all, a cosmic joke.  But we may 
not find it funny: it may sound like a serious double cross.


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1391.1THE WORLD AS SYMBOLREGENT::WAGNERHOW CAN I HELPMon Nov 26 1990 14:07230
    
    
(Excerpted from "The Myth of Freedom and the Way of Meditation" by Chogyam 
Trungpa.)


			The World As Symbol


	On the whole, understanding the vividness of the energy of the 
universe in terms of symbolism, in terms of patterns, colors, and shapes is 
not a matter of imagination, or hallucination for the real tantric 
practitioner.  It is real.  It is similar to a person hearing music that is 
very moving to him  and feeling that he could almost carve statues out of it, 
that he could almost hold it, handle it.  Sound becomes almost a solid object, 
almost a color or shape.  If a person is able to see ther energies of the 
universe as they are, then shapes and colors and patterns suggest themselves, 
symbolism happens.  That is the meaning of MAHAMUDRA, which means "Great 
symbol."  The whole world is symbol-not symbol in the sense of a sign 
representing something other than itself, but symbol in the sense of the 
highlights of the vivid qualities of things as they are.




			Mahamudra Upadesa


These were a set or oral instructions on Mahamudra given by Sri Tilopa to 
Naropa at the Banks of the Ganges River. 

    (Translated from the Sanskrit into Tibetan by Chokyi-Lodro [Chos Kyi bLo 
gros] Marpa the Translator.)

Homage to the co-emergent Wisdom! (1)

Mahamudra cannot be shown;
But for you who are devoted to the guru, who have
    mastered the ascetic practices
And are forbearant in suffering, intelligent Naropa,
Take heart, my fortunate student.

Kye-ho! (2)

Look at the nature of the world,
Impermanent like a mirage or dream;
Even the mirage or dream does not exist.
Therefore, develop renunciation and abandon the worldy 
    activities.

Renounce servants and kin, causes of passion and aggression.
Meditate alone in the forest, in retreats, in solitary places.
Remain in the state of non-meditation.
If you attain non-attainment, then you have attained mahamudra.

The Dharma of samsara is petty, causing  passion and agression.
The things we have created have no substance; therefore, seek the substance of 
    ultimate.
The dharma of mind cannot see the meaning of transcendent mind.
The dharma of action cannot discover the meaning of non-action.

If you would attain the realization of transcendant mind and non-action,
  then cut the root of mind and let consciousness remain naked.
Let the polluted waters of mental activities clear.
Do not seek to stop projections, but let them come to rest themselves.
If there is no rejecting or accepting, then you are liberated in the 
    mahamudra.


When trees grow leaves and branches, if you cut the roots, the many leaves
    and branches will wither.
Likewise, if you cut the root of mind, the various mental activities will 
    subside.

The darkness that has collected in thousands of "kulpas" (4)
  One torch will dispel.
Likewise, one moment's experience of luminous mind will disolve the viel of
    karmic impurities.

Men of  lesser intelligence who cannot grasp this,
Concentrate your awareness and focus on breath.
Through different eye-gazes and concentration practices,
Discipline your mind until it rests naturally.

If you perceive space,
The fixed ideas of center and boundaries dissolve.
Likewise, if mind perceives mind,
All mental activities will cease, you will remain in a state of non-thought,
And you will realize the supreme BHODI-CITTA. (5)

Vapors arising from the earth becomes clouds and then vanish into the sky;
It is not known where the clouds go when they have dissolved.
Likewise the waves of thoughts derived from mind Dissolve when mind perceives 
    mind.


Space has neither color nor shape. It is changeless, it is not tinged with 
    black or white.
Likewise luminous mind has neither color nor shape;
It is not tinged by black or white, virtue or vise.

The sun's pure and brilliant essence
Cannot be dimmed by the darkness that endures for a thousand Kalpas.
Likewise, the luminous essence of mind
Cannot be dimmed by the long kalpas of samsara.

Though it may be said that space is empty,
Space cannot be described.
Likewise, though it may be said that mind is luminous,
Naming it does not prove it exists.
Space is completely without locality.
Likewise, mahamudra mind dwells nowhere.

Without change, rest loose in the primordial state;
There is no doubt that your bonds will loosen.
The essence of mind is like space;
Therefore there is nothing that it does not encompass.

Let the movement of the body ease into genuineness,
Cease your idle chatter, let your speech become an echo,
Have no mind, but see the dharma of the leap.

The body like a hollow bamboo, has no substance.
Mind is like the essence of space, having no place for thoughts.
Rest loose your mind; neither hold it nor permit it to wander.
If mind has no aim, it is mahamudra.
Accomplishing this is the attainment of supreme enlightenment.

The nature of mind is luminous, without object of perception.
You will discover th path of Buddha when there is no path of meditation.
By meditating on non-meditation you will attain the supreme BHODI. (6)

This is the king of views-it transcends fixing and holding. (7)
This is the king of meditations-without wandering mind.
This is the king of actions-without effort.
When there is no hope and fear, you have realized the goal.

The unborn ALAYA (8) is without habits and viels.
Rest  mind in the  unborn essence; Make no distinctions between meditation and 
    post meditation.
When projections exhaust the dharma of mind, One attains the king of 
    views, free from all limitations.

Boundless and deep is the supreme king of meditations.
Effortless self-existence is the supreme king of actions.
Hopeless self-existence is the supreme king of the fruitition.

In the beginning the mind is like a turbulent river.
In the middle it is like the River Ganges flowing slowly.
In the end it is like the confluence of all rivers, like the meeting of son 
    and mother.

The followers of Tantra, the PRAJNAPARAMITA,
The Vinaya (9) the Sutras, and other religions-
All these, by their texts and philosophical dogmas,
will not see the luminous mahamudra.

Having no mind, without desires,
Self-quieted, self-existing,
It is like a wave of water.
Luminosity is vieled only by the rising of desire.

The real vow of Samaya (10) is broken by thinking in terms of precepts.
IF you neither dwell, percieve, nor stray from the ultimate,
Then you are the holy practitioner, the torch which illumines darkness.

If you are without desire, If you do not dwell in extremes,
You will see the dharmas of all the teachings.

If you strive in this endeavor, you will free yourself from samsaric 
  imprisonment. 
If you meditate in this way, you will burn the viel of karmic impurities.
Therefore, you are known as "The Torch of the Doctrine."

Even ignorant people who are not devoted to this teaching 
Could be saved by you from constantly drowning in the river of samsara.

It is a pity that beings endure such suffering in the lower realms.
Those who would free themselves from suffering should seek a wise guru.
Being posessed by the  Adhishthana (11) one's mind will be free.

If you seek karma mudra (12) then the wisdom of the union of joy and emptiness 
    will arise.
The union of skillful means and knowledge brings blessings.
Bring it down and give rise to the mandala.
Deliver it to the places and distribute it throughout the body.

If there is no desire involved, then the union of Joy and emptiness will 
    arise.
Gain long life, without white hairs, and you will wax like the moon.
Become radiant, and your strength will be perfect.
Having speedily achieved the relative Siddhis (13)
One should seek the absolute siddhis.
May this pointed instruction in mahamudra remain in the hearts of fortunate 
beings.


1.  Co-emergent Wisdom- The primordial wisdom, born simultaneously with 
    ignorance, just as nirvana and samsara must come simultaneously into being.

2.  Kye-ho! - Hark! or Listen!

3.  dharma-here taken as law, pattern, path.

4.  kalpas- eons.

5.  bhoddi-citta-awakened mind

6.  bhodi  the awakened state.

7.  fixing and holding-holding; holding onto projections; fixing: believing in 
      the existence of a projector

8.  unborn alaya-  the primordial state beyond being and non-being.

9.   Vinaya- the scriptures containing the Hinayana rules of discipline.

10.  samaya- the tantric vows of discipline.

11.  adhishthana-  blessings, the atmosphere created by the guru.

12. karma mudra- one's consort in the practice of the third abhisheka, the 
    third initiation.  (the third level of awareness as expressed in LEELA 
			The Game of Self Knowledge) 

13. siddhis- miraculous powers.



1391.2DICKNS::STANLEYWhat a long strange trip it's been...Mon Nov 26 1990 14:142
    Take care Ernie... and thank you.
    Mary
1391.3oh, you will be missedROYALT::NIKOLOFFBehaving as if God matteredMon Nov 26 1990 14:3114
	Bye, Ernie...

	   Thank you for all the enlightenment and fun...(since we work 
	in the same lab)....8^)

	Remember to detach.....;')

	hugs,

	Nikki



1391.4Best wishesATSE::FLAHERTYStrength lies in the quiet mindMon Nov 26 1990 14:398
    Ernie,
    
    May all your dreams shine brightly for you.
    
    Take care,
    
    Ro
    
1391.5No flower blooms before its time...MISERY::WARD_FRGoing HOME---as an Adventurer!Mon Nov 26 1990 14:418
    re: .0 (Ernie goes in Ernest)
    
          I wish upon you great successes!  And great pleasures, too!
    I have enjoyed you, too, and your abscence will be noted.
    
    
    Frederick
    
1391.6......BTOVT::BEST_Gsuspended by the finest threadMon Nov 26 1990 15:434
    
    You'll definately be missed, Ernie....:-(
    
    guy
1391.7Go in light, with SpiritELWOOD::BATESG-l-o-r-i-aMon Nov 26 1990 17:0310
    
    Your words and thoughts define your path, and at the same time provide
    us with directions worth adapting to suit our own purpose. 
    
    Thank you, Ernie. I commend your courage in following your dream and
    consciously creating a great reality for yourself. As you know, all
    that occurs is part of what we choose on the way to fufilling our
    purpose. May your choices always be informed with divine spirit.
    
    gloria
1391.8WILLEE::FRETTSPlays with Elephants!Tue Nov 27 1990 09:135
    
    
    Bye Ernie....have a wonderful journey!
    
    Carole
1391.9USAT05::KASPERDreams with DragonsTue Nov 27 1990 09:364
	Best of wishes to you and thanks for Dejavuing with us!

	Terry
1391.10A dent in the force is feltDWOVAX::STARKPersona under revision ...Tue Nov 27 1990 09:533
    I've enjoyed your notes here.  Best of all ...
    
    	Todd
1391.11CARTUN::BERGGRENOpen the heart to enchantmentTue Nov 27 1990 15:268
    		HOW CAN YOU HELP?
    
    ...Immensenly in your new field, I am sure Ernie!
    
    *Very* best to you -- I admire your courage and fortitude!
    
    Karen
    
1391.12GLDOA::PAGELPeekin' under the rocks ... Tue Nov 27 1990 19:484
    Faretheewell Ernie ... enjoy your adventure!
    
    C-2
    
1391.13For DEJAVU posterity?REGENT::WAGNERHOW CAN I HELPWed Nov 28 1990 11:3134
    
    
    "I refuse to be intimidated by reality."
    
    		&
    "What is reality anyway but a collective hunch"
    
    			Both by "Agnus Angst" (I forget her actual name)
    
    
    Anyway, My account will be closed out on Friday at 17:00 hours EST or
    there abouts.  If anybody would like to keep any of my special files
    for DEJAVUE POSTERITY; files such as the Numerology program, LEELA the
    GAME OF SELF-KNOWLEDGE, OR THE CONCEPTS OF MACROPHILOSOPHY, they can be
    copied from my acount up until they actually close it.
    
    
    NUMEROLOGY:			All the files(except *.dirs) from
    				REGENT::USER$C:[WAGNER.PERSONAL]
    				[contains basic source file.  directory
    				 paths in source may have to be changed to
    				 accomidate your default directory, then 
    				 compiled and relinked]  
    
    GAME OF SELF-KNOWLEDGE:	REGENT::USER$C:[WAGNER.PERSONAL.GAME]
    				[Contains acsii, DDIF(decrite),Postscript,
    				and bookshelf forms of the text]
    
    MACRO-PHILOSOPHY:		REGENT::USER$C:[WAGNER.PERSONAL.MACRO]
    				(ASCII 	Form only.  May seem a little
    				unorganized from name of files but should
    				be easy to figure out.)
    
    Ernie
1391.14DNEAST::PUSHARD_MIKEWed Nov 28 1990 11:397
    
    Good luck,Ernie. God bless.
    
    
    Peace
    Michael