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1325.1 | Beginning | SCARGO::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Mon Jul 30 1990 13:45 | 3 |
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When Mother Teresa was asked how one could further the cause of world
peace, her response was, "Go home and love your family."
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1325.2 | Thanks for the topic! | CRUISE::CFEUERSTEIN | Why is there air? | Mon Jul 30 1990 18:39 | 10 |
| What a wonderful subject, Cindy!
Yes, PEACE. What is it? Mother Teresa, in Cindy's message, gave
us a clue. It is impossible not to be at peace when you love.
God is love. To love is to be at peace. To be at peace is what
I (for I don't know what others are attaining) am striving for.
When I meet someone new, I love them. I see the God in them.
Oh lord, let me love everything, for in you, you are love.
Enough. Bye.
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1325.3 | JOY - Jesus, others, yourself | POLAR::WOOLDRIDGE | | Tue Jul 31 1990 07:01 | 13 |
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Godd subject Cindy.
Love is giving everything of your self, no holding back. Love is
forgiving others, puting others before your self, love is expecting
nothing in return for you love and much more.
God is love, for He gave His only son, that is true love.
Christ died for us, and that that is true love. For few if any would
die for anyone.
Peace,
bill
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1325.4 | An Opposing View | CRISTA::MAYNARD | Atlas Shrugged | Tue Jul 31 1990 09:43 | 15 |
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If by definition, peace is the absence of conflict, it is a misnomer
and an insidious concept. Nowhere in nature, will you find peace.
This planet was born from conflict( the big bang?) and has always
been a contentious and vibrant place. Witness a free flowing river,
or the wind as it erodes the mountains.As part of this ecosystem,
we too are born violently, and any attempts to harness our natural
energies and inclinations, are dangerous at best. The concept of inner
peace, belongs with those other great concepts- Santa Claus and the
Easter Bunny. But hey, if it gets you through the night, that's
okay. Just dont get confused and start trying to change other people
to fit your concept of "a peaceful world" Controlled violence is
healthy.
Jim
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1325.5 | clarification please | BTOVT::BEST_G | a time for the blind to see | Tue Jul 31 1990 11:06 | 14 |
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re: .4 (Jim Maynard)
I don't understand what you're trying to say.....
Are we violent by nature? Should we try to control this "violent
nature" within us?
On one hand you say we shouldn't try to change other people, and on
the other you say that controlled violence is healthy. Your first
statement might be taken as a vote against control and the second
FOR control.....I don't get it.
guy
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1325.6 | Clarification | CRISTA::MAYNARD | Atlas Shrugged | Tue Jul 31 1990 11:46 | 16 |
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A human being is violent by nature, if violence is conflict and
turbulence. We take away the best part of our humanity, when we
attempt to "not make waves", to get along, to compromise.
Control can be a healthy thing if applied in moderation. Obviously
we cannot give vent to our every impulse and passion- living with
other people on this planet demands otherwise. But we fall into a
dangerous trap when we allow others to dictate how we should feel
in any given situation. An ideal relationship is not one where two
people NEVER fight or argue. The best relationship is one where two
people accept each other's anger and passion as a real part of our
human make up. By extension, the world is a better place when we
accept our violent natures and use them for positive purposes, rather
than sublimate them, for someone elses purposes.
Jim
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1325.7 | more later | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Give yourself to Love. | Tue Jul 31 1990 11:56 | 10 |
| I agree that conflict is healthy. I would go as far to say
that no growth occurs without some degree of conflict. At the
same time, conflict need not involve violence nor the use of
deadly force.
At one time, there was a state of peace called PAX ROMANA. It was
an enforced, or coerced, peace under the auspices of Roman rule. Peace
through coercion is not genuine.
Richard
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1325.8 | | CGVAX2::CONNELL | Amateur Engineering | Tue Jul 31 1990 12:44 | 15 |
| Peace through coercion is oppression or dictatorship. Peace through
choice is love. THis love has to be unconditional. I have only felt
this a few times, and only 3 times with non-family members. Every time
I think of these people, I feel a contentment in my soul and know
peace. It seems to me that I can't feel a true peace, because I can't
feel like this all the time. I suppose that's good to a point. I need
the conflict to function on a daily basis and not get stomped on by
others. Maybe it's better this way. Maybe we all need the conflict so
we can appreciate the peace and love a little more when we get it.
Thank you Cindy, for putting this topic in. I miss our little chats
here at NQO and was sorry you left us. Hope your doing well at the new
facility.
Phil
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1325.9 | contributing factors | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Give yourself to Love. | Tue Jul 31 1990 12:50 | 24 |
| Peace on a global scale is achievable, I believe.
There is a general acknowledgment that no one can afford the luxury of
possessing an enemy, that as stupid as going to war is, that total
all out war at this or any future time would be the ultimate insanity.
Our planet is too small. The damage wrought would affect an unknown
number of future generations.
There is a growing awareness that weapons, even if they are never used,
are hurting people and the environment.
The Soviets are no longer perceived as the threat that they were in the
past 40 years. The real threat is perceived to be the smaller, more
fanatical governments: Iran, Libya, etc.. Don't get me wrong. There's
still a lot of smoke & mirror stuff going on within and among the world's
principalities.
There is a growing sense of community in the world. People of cultures
other than the U.S. are not being systematically dehumanized through the
use of language, political portrayal, and other forms of propaganda to
the degree that was popular in the past. It is no longer acceptable to
make your enemy less human than you.
Richard
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1325.10 | Think globally; act locally. | DNEAST::BERLINGER_MA | LIFE IN THE ASTRAL PLANE | Tue Jul 31 1990 13:31 | 18 |
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A popular concept these days is *think globaly; act localy*.
If I apply this method to the concept of peace I must first love
myself. That is to say that I can not do for someone else that which
I can not do for myself. When I am at peace with myself the world
gains. In order for me to attain this state of inner peace I must
give freely of myself- the good (love,joy,laughter) as well as the
not so good (anger,sadness,conflict). I have a great deal of trouble
giving of the not so good. I am not yet at peace with myself. The
world will just have to wait a little longer.
Later,
Mark
ps. I agree with reply .6
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1325.11 | Don't let it be a barrier | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Give yourself to Love. | Tue Jul 31 1990 13:47 | 12 |
| re .10
Agreed. Personal peace is paramount. Understand that peace
is not the absence of conflict. And so, do not allow presence of
conflict to prevent you from seeking peace and pursuing it.
There is an old concept which says *if you aren't part of the
solution, you're part of the problem* (Malcom X). And another
says *there is no way to peace; Peace is the way* (A.J. Muste).
Peace is a process, not a goal. Peace is a voyage, not a destiny.
Richard
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1325.12 | What is your responsibility for peace?? | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Give yourself to Love. | Tue Jul 31 1990 14:42 | 23 |
| Responsibility:
Social scientists have discovered some things about the human
sense of responsibility.
They set up a roadside situation of a woman and a car with the hood up,
and then from a hidden area the scientists counted the number of people
who drove by offering no assistance. They found that the more traffic there
was, the less likely the possibility that someone would stop. They postulated
that the more that responsibility was spread out among persons, the less
responsibility each one of those persons felt.
An identical situation was set up, only this time a truck was stopped in
such as way as to give the impression that it was there to offer help to
the woman with the hood raised. Further down the road, at the same time,
another stranded car scenario was set up. Many, many more cars stopped
to offer help at the second car having seen the first one with someone
who had stopped to help. This is the *power* behind the role model.
Impeding the progress of peace are 2 conditions: 1. Not enough people
feel a personal responsibility for peace. 2. Too few role models.
Richard
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1325.15 | Commitment to peace | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Tue Jul 31 1990 16:19 | 12 |
| Another consideration in creating peace is a level of commitment.
Will we take a posture of peace only when it is comfortable to do so?
The examples of Jesus of Nazareth, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa,
Gandhi, Daniel Berrigan, and many others who are less well-known may (or
may not) help guide us in our decision, our level of commitment, to a peace
conducive lifestyle.
Fear invades so quickly and readily. As it is the opposite of love, fear
is also the antagonist of peace.
Richard
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1325.16 | world government | DNEAST::PUSHARD_MIKE | | Wed Aug 01 1990 08:32 | 12 |
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I see a big stumbling block to peace,and,that is,the pursuit of self
interest. We all are trying to survive and reach certain goals,and,in
this world its called competition,and,it can get pretty rough! We try
to get ahead of the other guy,and,forget his interest in leu of ours.
The solution? A world government,with no currency,useing the resources
to give a good life for all of us on this planet,working toward that
common goal.
Peace
Michael
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1325.17 | others share your vision | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Wed Aug 01 1990 11:49 | 8 |
| re .16
The Bah'ai faith has a very similar vision. They include a
universal second language.
You awareness of striving is very relevant.
Richard
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1325.18 | ECONOMIC AWARENESS | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Wed Aug 01 1990 12:49 | 11 |
| One of the most obvious ways to work for peace is to become aware of
the ways of accumulating wealth, spending, and/or investing are actually
oppressing others. It is then a matter of conscious and conscientious
choice.
Have you seen the biographical movie "Romero"? Have you ever wondered
why Costa Rica, while possessing no formal army and surrounded by
countries in turmoil, is not immersed in civil war or being invaded
by outside powers?
Richard
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1325.19 | WHERE TO START? | DNEAST::PUSHARD_MIKE | | Wed Aug 01 1990 12:50 | 15 |
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ref .17
Thats a good point. Either a common language or develop a translator.
I think a common language would be what is desireable,but,in the
meantime a translator device could work. The question is,where would we
start? Are the people of the world ready to start the process? It could
start as a proposal from us,after a thorough study was done,then,expand
it. I think the atmosphere in the world,one of people demanding
changes,and,getting them,is right to at least start something in that
direction.
peace
Michael
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1325.20 | _Be_ peace; focus internally, not externally. | HYDRA::LARU | goin' to graceland | Wed Aug 01 1990 12:59 | 16 |
| � Are the people of the world ready to start the process?
I suggest the question is:
Am I ready to start the process?
� I think the atmosphere in the world,one of people demanding
� changes,and,getting them,is right to at least start something in that
� direction.
I suggest that it's not a question of demanding change (of others),
but rather of changing (oneself).
/bruce
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1325.21 | | SOKO::ZICKEFOOSE | LENNICE | Wed Aug 01 1990 13:11 | 12 |
| re .18, costa rica:
Never occurred to me - so, Richard, what's the answer?
re becoming aware of the ways accummulating wealth, spending and/or
investing are actually oppressing others:
I do the best with the knowledge that I have, but that knowledge is pretty
paltry. How can I find out information that will enable me to make
informed choices about products to avoid buying, etc.?
z
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1325.22 | I am | DNEAST::PUSHARD_MIKE | | Wed Aug 01 1990 13:21 | 18 |
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BRUCE,
To accomplish a task of such magnitude,it must be brought out to the
world population,and,if there is enough people who are ready to accept
the change,and,work for it,it can happen. It requires and needs a
beginning,a movement world wide. The recent changes in Europe is a good
example of what I am saying. It is something that will have to be
demanded by the people. It cannot just stay within us,as a
hope,but,must be brought out and expressed. Such change is
difficult,but,I see a vision,that probably wont happen in my
lifetime,but,needs to if Man is to survive and grow. It is time for us
to grow spiritually,rather than just technologicly. I believe there are
large numbers of people who are now ready and open for the idea.
Peace
Michael
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1325.23 | Information sources | SCARGO::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Wed Aug 01 1990 13:27 | 14 |
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Re.21
Hi Lennice,
Well, just ask and ye shall receive! (;^) Where would you like to
start? Animal testing? Food safety? Biodegradable material (or not)?
There is even a Master Card which supports only funds which focus on
ethical investments.
Maybe starting a new topic here to discuss these things is in order.
Go for it!
Cindy
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1325.24 | | SOKO::ZICKEFOOSE | LENNICE | Wed Aug 01 1990 13:38 | 15 |
| Cindy -
I had no idea you are such a fount of knowledge! At the risk of sounding
backward, I don't think I'm the one to start the topic - I don't know what
to say other than what I already have - which is ????? Why don't you start
it? With answers to some of my burning questions - the Master Card is a
good beginning. I already know about animal testing, but perhaps others
don't. I just had a flash - our own version of Standard and Poors, with
the low-down on who would be good to support with our business and who
wouldn't, and why. Are ecology-type questions of this sort in another
file? Perhaps to avoid duplication and to focus the scope, we could focus
on companies that contribute to world misery in a more political sort of
way - companies that do business with South Africa, for instance.
z
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1325.25 | Yes | AOXOA::STANLEY | Just one thing that I have to say... | Wed Aug 01 1990 13:38 | 9 |
| RE: <<< Note 1325.20 by HYDRA::LARU "goin' to graceland" >>>
> -< _Be_ peace; focus internally, not externally. >-
> I suggest that it's not a question of demanding change (of others),
> but rather of changing (oneself).
Yes, Bruce, I agree completely. Now if it were just easy to do...:-)
Dave
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1325.26 | be peace... | HYDRA::LARU | goin' to graceland | Wed Aug 01 1990 14:34 | 25 |
| re: <<< Note 1325.22 by DNEAST::PUSHARD_MIKE >>>
� To accomplish a task of such magnitude,it must be brought out to the
� world population,and,if there is enough people who are ready to accept
The major, if not the only cause of [unpeace]
is the phenomenon of people who think:
I/we have the answer, the one true way to
peace, and the world would be oh-so-much
better if only you/they/[the masses]
would see it my/our way.
However, one doesn't teach by preaching;
how can one teach peace by making war
on another's ideas?
We teach best by example, by living the
peace we profess to have found.
/bruce
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1325.27 | FORCE? | DNEAST::PUSHARD_MIKE | | Wed Aug 01 1990 14:59 | 15 |
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Bruce,
You seem to think for some reason,that I am advocating forcing
something onto someone,which is not the case. Everything starts with an
idea,and,if enough people accept it,it becomes. Hey,if the people dont
want it,fine,but,if I think I have a solution,that,I believe in,I
certainly should express it,and,attempt to get acceptance of it. I dont
believe in forcing anyone to believe anything,but,I would ask that they
could at least listen and decide for themself.
Peace
Michael
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1325.28 | It was your idea. | CGVAX2::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Wed Aug 01 1990 15:24 | 8 |
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Hi Lennice,
I really think you should start it.
So there! (;^)
Cindy
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1325.29 | Anyone remember this one? | CGVAX2::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Wed Aug 01 1990 15:29 | 12 |
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There was this song I used to sing in Sunday School many moons ago:
Let there be peace on Earth, and let it begin with me.
Let there be peace on Earth, the peace that was meant to be,
With God as our Father [and Mother], brothers all are we. [sisters too]
Let me walk with my brother, in perfect harmony.
Let peace begin with me, let this be the moment now.
With every step I take, let this be my solemn vow
To take each moment and live each moment in peace eternally.
Let there be peace on Earth, and let it begin with me.
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1325.30 | Indeed! | BSS::VANFLEET | Making choices, taking chances | Wed Aug 01 1990 15:37 | 7 |
| Remember it? I sing it every Sunday at church. :-)
(We replace the "brother" with "each other" and "God as our Father"
with "God as our center".)
Nanci
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1325.31 | Thanks! (;^) | CGVAX2::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Wed Aug 01 1990 16:24 | 1 |
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1325.32 | Anytime! :-) | BSS::VANFLEET | Making choices, taking chances | Wed Aug 01 1990 16:42 | 2 |
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1325.33 | Seek peace and pursue it | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Wed Aug 01 1990 16:59 | 7 |
| Changing yourself will impact your environment, as so many
have stated. The self is the elementary school of learning
peace. In good conscience, I must ask those who are able to
continue their efforts and education, and not become cosmic
drop outs. The world is not in short supply of these.
Richard
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1325.34 | crusade against crusades.... | HYDRA::LARU | goin' to graceland | Wed Aug 01 1990 17:35 | 12 |
| re: <<< Note 1325.33 by CSC32::J_CHRISTIE "Crusader Rabbit" >>>
� In good conscience, I must ask those who are able to
� continue their efforts and education, and not become cosmic
� drop outs.
�
Please, let's have no name-calling of those who choose not
to live their lives as you would direct, however good your conscience....
/bruce
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1325.35 | song lyric | CGVAX2::PAINTER | And on Earth, peace... | Wed Aug 01 1990 17:41 | 2 |
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The world won't get no better, if we just wait and see....
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1325.36 | Let's not assume a connotation | CRUISE::CFEUERSTEIN | Why is there air? | Wed Aug 01 1990 23:14 | 6 |
| re .33
Please be a wee bit more explicit for the uneducated. I must be,
because I can't figure what you mean.
Thanks
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1325.37 | I could be wrong, but ... | NOPROB::JOLLIMORE | and the band keeps playin' on | Thu Aug 02 1990 08:57 | 22 |
| .36 in reference to .33
If I may ...
What I read was, simply translated, ...
> ............ The self is the elementary school of learning
> peace.
Peace begins with me.
> ...... In good conscience, I must ask those who are able to
> continue their efforts and education,
Don't stop at learning peace within. Continue on.
> ..................................... and not become cosmic
> drop outs. The world is not in short supply of these.
So many _do_ stop. It's a shame.
Peace,
Jay
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1325.38 | Peace without Justice isn't Peace? | EXIT26::SAARINEN | | Thu Aug 02 1990 12:13 | 5 |
| You can't have Peace without Justice.
True____ False____
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1325.39 | A simple prayer | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Thu Aug 02 1990 13:54 | 9 |
| I see I may have stepped on some folks toes in my poor choice of
analogy. I apologize.
Cindy and Jay articulated the thought much better than I.
Francis of Assissi also put it very well:
"(Ineffible One), Let me be an instrument of (Divine) peace....."
Richard
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1325.40 | PEACE | DECXPS::MCOGAN | | Thu Aug 02 1990 14:07 | 32 |
| Sometimes the course we tread
in life,
Do not flow as smooth
as we like
Not placed to be
perfect swimmers
None are we
For to master an art
is to grow from the deep
So always remenber
it is love that can reap
Love returned in the face
of a storm
Has mastered the seas
bringing forth a new dawn
For love is truth
and truth is light,
Light shines bright
for passing Ships in the Night
PEACE
and light is truth
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1325.41 | "...an instrument of (your) peace..." | SWAM2::CELESTINO_MA | | Thu Aug 02 1990 14:23 | 7 |
| RE: .39
As I recall, this is the first line of a prayer for peace.
Would you, or someone, have the complete text? It has
some wonderful thoughts to meditate (and act) upon.....
Martha
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1325.42 | re .41 | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Thu Aug 02 1990 15:31 | 21 |
| The Prayer of Francis of Assisi
Make me a channel of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me bring your love
Where there is injury, your pardon, Lord
Where there is doubt, true faith in you.
Make me a channel of your peace.
Where there is despair in life, let me bring hope
Where there is darkness, only light
Where there is sadness, joy.
O Master, grant that I may never seek
So much to be consoled as to console
To be understood as to understand
to be loved as to love, with all my soul.
Make me a channel of your peace.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned
In giving that we receive
In dying that we become truly alive. Amen.
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1325.43 | lovely melody and lyrics | ATSE::FLAHERTY | Peace: The Reality | Thu Aug 02 1990 16:14 | 6 |
| I have a tape by John Astin of the prayer put to music - one
of my favorites, I usually play it each morning as I get ready
for work.
Ro
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1325.44 | re: .42 | SWAM2::CELESTINO_MA | | Thu Aug 02 1990 16:35 | 6 |
| Thank you, Richard; somehow seeing this again
has helped this day along....
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1325.45 | The beginning of some answers | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Mon Aug 06 1990 14:28 | 27 |
| >re .18, costa rica:
>Never occurred to me - so, Richard, what's the answer?
Can't provide a simple answer, but I can mention some of the influencing
factors. The conflict in countries surrounding Costa Rica seem to revolve
around wealth and power. Costa Rica has an aggressive national program to
wipe out poverty by the year 2000. Health care is affordable. The
non-polluting bicycle is the most commonly used means of transportation. The
National Geographic Society put together an excellent presentation on
Costa Rica. See it if you get a chance.
> How can I find out information that will enable me to make
> informed choices about products to avoid buying, etc.?
There are *lots* of sources. Tap into one and you'll usually tap into
others. I hesitate mentioning any particular one out of fear of neglecting
others.
>Cindy -
>I had no idea you are such a fount of knowledge!
Indeed, she is a peace hero. Peace heroes are seldom honored.
Love Lennice,
Richard
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1325.46 | Taking a stand | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Mon Aug 06 1990 17:24 | 56 |
|
The following letter was sent to the IRS, each of my U.S. congress-
persons, the U.S. President, and the editorial page of local newspaper.
It was published.
===============================================================================
April 15, 1990
Dear Taxpaying Friend,
Once again, I am forced to confront a moral dilemma. Do I
continue to profess values that affirm the sacred worth of every
person, and yet continue to support through taxation the oppression
and extermination of human life on foreign soils? Do I continue
to advocate peace, tolerance and reconciliation, while contributing
to the purchase of hardware and the hiring of assassins in order to
silence the voices of dissenters? Ultimately, the question is this:
shall I choose integrity, or shall I succumb to fear and yield to
hypocrisy?
I work and pray for peace, and yet I pay taxes which support
the machinery of war making.
It's my money, and yours, that bought the bullets that killed
the Roman Catholic Sisters in Nicaragua. It's my money, and yours,
that financed the murder of 6 Jesuit priests, their housekeeper
and her daughter in El Salvador. It's my money, and yours, that
underwrote the invasion that killed hundreds of Panamanians and 23
Americans.
Yearly, I refuse to participate in the deceit, corruption and
malice perpetrated worldwide by the U.S. government by enclosing a
statement such as this and excluding payment of a symbolic portion of
my taxes in filing my income tax return. Yearly, I receive a computer
generated notification from the IRS of taxes owed with penalties and
interest, plus a document outlining what legal action may be taken
against me should I continue to withhold payment. Yearly, I
compromise my conscience, buckle under the threats of possible
seizure, incarceration and punitive fines, and remit the amount in
question.
Again this year, I stand in direct opposition to a multitude of
atrocities committed by U.S. government agencies and officials in the
name of national security and the preservation of liberty. Again this
year, I am refusing to become an accomplice by virtue of having
financed such operations. Again this year, I am denouncing our
society's addiction to power and our misguided faith in militarism.
Will I again this year submit to coercion? Or will I resist the
legalized extortion imposed upon me through the IRS, and keep my actions
consistent with my principles? Time will tell. But regardless of my
decision, I vow to remain vocal on this issue until the injustices and
provocations cease, and I will encourage others to do the same.
Respectfully,
Richard Jones-Christie
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1325.47 | Not another rainbow analogy!! | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Fri Aug 10 1990 18:28 | 9 |
| Re .38
As I see it, peace and justice are something like colors in
a spectrum in that each color is distinct and yet each color
flows into the next.
What do you think?
Richard
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1325.48 | | HKFINN::STANLEY | What a long strange trip its been... | Mon Aug 13 1990 10:45 | 3 |
| Some colors are made by combining two different colors together. It
is the combination that forms the third color.
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1325.49 | Wouldn't mind paying taxes if... | SOLANA::WALSH | | Mon Aug 20 1990 17:36 | 15 |
| RE: .46
It's too bad that we cannot dictate which government agencies,
departments and programs our tax dollars are allocated to. It would be
interesting (and easier to swallow...paying the taxes that is...) if we
could split our specific taxes up between programs we support and those
we don't (sort of like you can do in the SAVE program).
Perhaps if there were a law allowing us to do this Congress (and the
President) might yet come to terms what we **really** support our
government doing. Might be an interesting experiment! <:)
Visualizing Universal Peace,
susan
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1325.50 | | DNEAST::PUSHARD_MIKE | | Tue Aug 21 1990 13:28 | 14 |
|
The current situation in the middle east is a good example of why Peace
is far away for mankind. First you have one nation that wants what the
other one has,so,they take it. Then,you have a gov't,that,always wants
to jump right in the middle of it,and,take over,kick a little ass,etc.
It seems to me that the Arab nations should take care of their
problems,and,if the united nations were to intervene,it should be
an equal participation by the countries involved.
Peace
Michael
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1325.51 | | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | Crusader Rabbit | Mon Aug 27 1990 19:57 | 9 |
| re .49
A bill called the World Peace Tax Fund Act has been introduced into
both houses of the U.S. Congress since the early 70's. Every year
it gets bogged in committee.
We shall overcome.........somedaa-a-a-a-ay
Richard
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1325.52 | A Tree of Peace was planted at CXO | GENRAL::KILGORE | Coyote Clan Member | Thu Aug 30 1990 13:43 | 65 |
| Yesterday CXO's "TREE OF PEACE" was planted in the lawn of the
South Lobby at CXO1/2. It is the smallest Ponderosa Pine on
the lawn, that is starting to get covered with ribbons.
A long time ago, according to Native American legend, the
Great Spirit told all the people to lay down their weapons
and fight no more. The weapons were placed in the hole in
which the "Tree of Peace" was planted. The roots of the
tree grew and tangled the weapons such as clubs, hatchets,
pistols, rifles, bows and arrows so they could never be
used again.
The four ribbon colors, Red, White, Black, and Yellow depict
things sacred to American Indians. For example the four
directions, East, South, West, and North and the four winds.
The ribbons are made of 100% cotton, a natural product which
will deteriorate with the weather and be returned to Mother
Earth at time goes on.
If you would like to tie a ribbon on the "Tree of Peace", I have
extra ribbons available. Come to my office, which is near the
South Lobby and pick one up (office location is CX01, floor 1,
just inside the doors closest to the stairway, under pole Q17 in
Engineering). Pick out the ribbon, proceed to the tree and say
a prayer for peace or just VISUALIZE PEACE and tie the ribbon
onto the tree. If you would like to tie more than one ribbon,
you are welcome to! If you need assistance getting to the tree
since it is in the middle of the lawn and some wheelchairs and
other means of mobility don't travel too well on grass, please
contact me at DTN 522-2162 and I will gladly assist you.
Judy Kilgore
Spokesperson for DANCE
Digital American Native Council Effort
P.S. The "Tree of Peace" is sponsored by DANCE, CXO's Native
American Leadership group, a part of Valuing Differences.
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1325.53 | 2,464,000 yards... | USAT05::KASPER | Drumming to beat all hell... | Thu Aug 30 1990 14:05 | 6 |
| re: .52 (Judy)
Do you have any ribbons that will reach Atlanta? If not, tie one
on for me. Good going!
Terry
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1325.54 | What color would you like - out of the 4 available | GENRAL::KILGORE | Coyote Clan Member | Thu Aug 30 1990 18:33 | 5 |
| Terry, I'm afraid they are only 12 inches long and won't reach. Tomorrow
when I tie my 4th one at noon I will do one for you also. :-) Do you have
a color request?
Judy
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1325.55 | How 'bout a rainbow? | USAT05::KASPER | Drumming to beat all hell... | Thu Aug 30 1990 19:32 | 9 |
| Judy,
> Do you have a color request?
White (since in the spectrum it contains all colors) would be nice,
but any will do!
Thanks!
Terry
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1325.56 | Me too! | GLDOA::PAGEL | Start a wave ... | Thu Aug 30 1990 23:00 | 6 |
| Please tie one on for me, too =8-)
I'm sure whatever color you chose will be the right one!
Cindy-2
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1325.57 | Me too a bit late | CECV01::ESOMS | Joanne Peachwall, DTN 249-1410, BUO/E-15 | Fri Aug 31 1990 18:55 | 7 |
| Judy,
When you tie your fifth one on, put one on for me too. Pick a
color, I like them all.
Thanks,
Joanne
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1325.58 | | GENRAL::KILGORE | Coyote Clan Member | Tue Sep 04 1990 12:53 | 6 |
| Will do, Joanne! Glad to!
I tied a white and a black ribbon Friday per the requests. Will tie Joanne's
today. That little tree will probably look like it is getting strangled! :-)
Judy
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1325.59 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | Born to note. | Thu Sep 13 1990 14:25 | 8 |
| I tied four ribbons--one of each color--on the Tree of Peace a few
weeks ago. I think that the Tree is an absolutely wonderful idea, and
I wanted to thank Judy for her efforts. Particularly, in times like
this, with war looming on the horizon, the message of peace is
something that needs to be stressed again and again--both at the
spiritual and the political level.
-- Mike
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1325.60 | p e a c e t r e e t y ! | ELMAGO::AWILLETO | Beat those heathen drums... | Fri Sep 14 1990 00:05 | 18 |
| I Wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if I didn't put in a little
bit about peace (especially when there is a forum for it right here
that's *very* accesible to me).
I also participted in CXO's tree-of-peace ceremony, although I am
here in Albuquerque (on the eastern side of the Continental Divide)
and not exactly anywhere near Colorado Springs, I felt very strongly
that I could find a tree here that could "talk" with the tree up
there at CXO and unite all our thoughts of peace.
It was refreshing. Now the next step is to do a little bit more
-- write my congressman, share this story at a next family gathering,
just so that the idea of peace doesn't get washed away by the media's
blasting scenes of war in our minds all the time.
Take a pause and pray for peace.
Anthony
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WASHINGTON (UPI) -- On Sunday, worshippers at St. John's Episcopal
Church, just across Lafayette Square from the White House, will bow
their heads and ask their God to ``save us from from weak resignation to
violence'' and to ``hear, we beseech thee, our prayer for peace in the
Middle East.''
The prayer of the faithful at St. John's -- also known as the church
of the presidents for its proximity to the White House and the string of
national leaders who have worshipped there -- will be echoed by tens of
thousands of other American Christians, who will ask their Lord: ``Help
us to love our enemies, not by countenacing their sins, but by
remembering our own.''
And that prayer by Christians will mingle with the voices of
countless other American Moslems and Jews on their holy days this
weekend as they, too, lift up prayers in a unique plea for divine
intervention on behalf of peace in the Middle East.
The three prayers are the work of the U.S. Interreligious Committee
for Peace in the Middle East, a 3-year-old group of 1,200 Christian,
Muslim and Jewish leaders who have labored together to encourage active
U.S. involvement in bringing about a negotiated settlement of the Arab-
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
``We are Christians, Jews and Moslems who believe working together
for peace is a fundamental moral imperative of our time,'' four leaders
of the group said in a joint statement calling members of their faiths
to prayer over the Sept. 14-16 weekend.
Signers of the statement were Al-Hajj Dawud Assad, president of the
Council of Mosques, USA; Dale Bishop, director of the Middle East office
of the National Council of Churches; the Rev. J. Bryan Hehir, counselor,
U.S. Catholic Conference; and Rabbi Arthur Hertzberg, vice president of
the World Jewish Congress.
``While at times religion appears to contribute to Middle East
conflicts, we believe the deepest sources in our traditions provide
inspiration and wisdom for resolution of these conflicts,'' the joint
statement said.
Ron Young, executive director of the interreligious committee, said
each of the three prayers was written by someone deeply immersed in the
spiritual tradition of the particular faith.
And they are being widely circulated for use this weekend.
Young said, for example, the Council of Mosques has sent the prayer
to 200 mosques and Islamic centers for their use. The National Council
of Churches has sent it to the head of each of its 32 member communions
as well as the heads of all state and local councils of churches for
distribution.
Bishops and regional leaders of the Christian Church (Disciples of
Christ), the Episcopal Church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, the
United Church of Christ, the United Methodist Church and the
Presbyterian Church (USA) are also circulating the prayers and
encouraging their use.
Among Jewish groups, the Union of American Hebrew Congregations has
sent the prayer to Reform rabbis for use and Hertzberg has written a
letter encouraging all Conservative rabbis to make use of the prayer.
The Federation of Reconstructionist Synagogues has has also embraced it.
``What I found so moving in the prayers is that in each of the
three, reaching down into the deepest resources of their faith, there is
a spirit of which is very complementary.
In their statement encouraging participation in the weekend of
prayer, the four religious leaders said: ``At this time of world crisis,
when all of us are reminded that our human efforts for peace are
inadequate, we are simply asking for your prayers and the prayers of
your community.''
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WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Here are the texts of Christian, Jewish and
Moslem prayers being circulated in the U.S. religious community for use
the weekend of Sept. 14-16.
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_ _T_h_e_ _p_r_a_y_e_r_ _w_r_i_t_t_e_n_ _b_y_ _a_ _C_h_r_i_s_t_i_a_n_:
Eternal God, shepherd of every hope, refuge of every bewildered
heart, and fountain of forgiveness for every contrite one, hear, we
beseech thee, our prayer for peace in the Mideast.
Save us from weak resignation to violence. Teach us that restraint
is the highest expression of power, that thoughtfulness and tenderness
are marks of the strong.
Help us to love our enemies, not by countenancing their sins, but
by remembering our own. And may we never for a moment forget that they
are fed by the same food, hurt by the same weapons, have children for
whom they have the same high hopes as do we.
O God, as Moslems, Jews and Christians, we acknowledge that thou
has made of one blood all the nations of the earth. Thou dost love all
of us as if all were but one, and dost care for each as if thous hadst
naught else to care for.
Remembering such love, may we not weary in our efforts to fashion
out of our failures today some great good for all thy people tomorrow.
And not unto O God, not unto us, but unto thy name be the glory. Amen.
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_T_h_e_ _p_r_a_y_e_r_ _w_r_i_t_t_e_n_ _b_y_ _a_ _J_e_w_:
O God, who makes peace and harmony in the heavenly spheres, help
Your bewildered humanity understand the futility of war, and hatred and
violence.
Help us to overcome the rationalizations that ultimately end in
justification of actions which inevitably lead to bloodshed and
suffering.
As hundreds of thousands of human beings look at their brothers and
sisters over the barrels of guns, canons and missiles, help us to hear
Your voice which counsels compassion, patience and rational discourse.
How long, O loving God, will we continue to kill in your name? How
long will we refuse to register the unalterable fact that all human
creatures on this earth are brothers and sisters?
Help us to understand that the search for peace and well being is
not weakness nor lack of its conviction but rather the only way to
ensure continued life on this planet upon which you have placed us.
Grant us the ability to find joy and strength not in the strident
call to arms, but in stretching out of our arms to grasp our fellow
creatures in the striving for justice and truth.
You are truth. You require justice, mercy, compassion and love. You
are love.
Help us prove ourselves worthy of your creation, God of all space
and time and worlds. Amen.
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_T_h_e_ _p_r_a_y_e_r_ _w_r_i_t_t_e_n_ _b_y_ _a_ _M_o_s_l_e_m_:
O God, Lord of the universe, All-merciful and compassionate, have
mercy upon us and illumine our way, our hearts and our minds in this
hour of darkness.
O God, creator and sustainer of all things, Lord of infinite love,
kindness and mercy, guide us to the way of love when hatred and pride
appear to be the easier and more attractive way.
O God, cherisher and sustainer of all beings, sovereign lord over
all your creation, in your boundless mercy and care, teach us wisdom and
compassion to face this threat of suffering, discord and death. Teach
us, our most holy creator, to love mercy and justice, as you love mercy
and justice.
O God, Lord of all dominion, in whose hand is all good, teach our
leaders humility, wisdom and good judgment. Help us all to defuse this
crisis peacefully before it plunges us into a whirlpool of senseless
suffering, bloodshed and war.
O God, we give thanks to you for giving us this good earth as a
sacred trust to enjoy and share with all your creatures. Help us to keep
your trust and not destroy it.
Save us, our compassionate Lord, for our folly by your wisdom; from
our arrogance by your forgiving love; from our greed by your infinite
bounty and from our insecurity by your healing power.
O God, guide us to your ways, the ways of righteousness and peace.
Grant us peace, O Lord of peace. Help us to do your will in our lives,
in our relations and in our affairs. Forgive us all your creatures in
your mercy, and save us from our own evil. Yours alone is all praise,
all dominion and all power forever and ever. Amen.
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