Conference hydra::dejavu

    Re .0 (Poul):
    
    One problem with dream interpretation is that some symbolism is
    intensely personal.
    
>I was sleeping in the morning, and I started to wake up, because somebody
>did pull my legs. In fact, they did it so much, that they (my legs) were 
>lifted up in the air. It was a *REAL* feeling, like you feel your legs NOW
>...I was terrified and started doing on all kind of things to avoid it; but
>I was paralyzed and they kept on pulling.
 
    Does this mean that, had the pulling continued, that you'd have been
    suspended upside down?  If so, it implies an inversion.
    
>..........................................  At that time, I suddenly saw a 
>matress came dumping down beside me, a beautiful one, decorated and covered
>with red silk. It was laying there, like an invitation of some kind (maybe
>somebody wanted me to lay myself on it?).   
 
    Red is often a color of vitality; silk is associated with finer things;
    as a sheer fabric, it is often used for intimate apparel.   Mattresses
    are used for sleep and lovemaking.
    
    From these, my interpretation would suggest that someone might either
    kid about (pull your legs) or encourage your involvement in some
    sort of liaison.  One with some very pleasant aspects.
    
    But that's just a guess.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

>Does this mean that, had the pulling continued, that you'd have been
>suspended upside down?  If so, it implies an inversion.
    
  Well, it didn't continue, so it will only be a guess...but yes, that
  might have been the result...what's an inversion?
  Anyway, all I can say is that if someone now in this moment would pull
  my legs, I would feel it as real as I did that time...

>Red is often a color of vitality; silk is associated with finer things;
>as a sheer fabric, it is often used for intimate apparel.   Mattresses
>are used for sleep and lovemaking.
    
>From these, my interpretation would suggest that someone might either
>kid about (pull your legs) or encourage your involvement in some
>sort of liaison.  One with some very pleasant aspects.

  That's what I say, should've taken the offer! ;-)

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Poul         @~\~@
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    re: .0
    
    Poul,
    
    Do you happen to remember how you were usually awakened about ten 
    years ago?  Did you use an alarm clock, did someone call you, or...?
    
    And do you remember anything unusual that happened to you within a
    day or two of the "dream?"  (I don't think that this was an OBE;
    it sounds more like a hypnopomic image to me - the kind of non-dream
    imagery that can occur as you're waking up.)  
    
    Virginia
    

Hi Virginia,

>Do you happen to remember how you were usually awakened about ten 
>years ago?  Did you use an alarm clock, did someone call you, or...?

  I did use an alarmclock, however this morning it hadn't started yet...

>And do you remember anything unusual that happened to you within a
>day or two of the "dream?"  (I don't think that this was an OBE;
>it sounds more like a hypnopomic image to me - the kind of non-dream
>imagery that can occur as you're waking up.)  

  Actually, something unusual happened at this time, but if it was
  within a day or two of the event, I don't remember. This was origi-
  nally planned for another topic, but here we go:

  I joined a spiritual meeting with 3 other people, one of them was
  an older woman who was said to have many 'sights' and visions, which
  later had come to happen, and she was very experienced with the sort
  of technique that we used. I was a beginner on the matter...
  We were placed around a table, on which we had some notes with each
  letter in the alphabet, and the numbers 0-9 as well, all placed in
  a circel. We used a glass, in which we all breathed into, placed it
  on the table bottom up. Each of us then put one finger very light on
  the glass, and the woman asked: 'is anybody here?'. AND THE GLASS
  STARTED TO MOVE. I was absolutely amazed when we started to ask ques-
  tions, and the glass answered by moving in the circel, stopping at
  the notes to spell the answers for you. My finger was VERY light on
  the glass, just touching it, and I felt a strange force moving it
  very fast. Now, I actually was the only person of us who believed in
  the reincarnation theory, so naturally I started asking questions a-
  bout my earlier life, and about the next one as well. And I got de-
  tailed information! Some of the information about geography could
  NOT have been retrieved by any of us before this event! After the e-
  vent, I was scared for several days (seeing ghosts everywhere). Some
  days later, I joined again, and again it was so scaring that I deci-
  ded to quit it forever...

  So, what do you mean about that?

  And what does _hypnopomic image_ mean? I'm impressed with that word
  anyway...:-)

  Thanks for your interest!

  Poul

    Poul,
    
    "Hypnopomic" is a typo for "hypnopompic".  Big help, you reply.
    "Hypnopompic" and "hypnogogic" are the terms used to describe an
    hallucinatory state that anyone can enter while exiting or entering
    the dream state (respectively (Or maybe I have it backwards.)).
    
    It is perfectly normal, it has no psychic meaning, and some people
    have them more than others.  Redmond O'Hanlon described a dilly
    in his book, _Into_the_Heart_of_Borneo_, in which his college tutor
    reproaches him for having done so little with his life.  (This
    about a twenty-four year old who has already published a technical
    book and who finds himself in Borneo because someone (never
    specified) has asked him to find out if the Borneo pigmy rhinoceros
    (for reasons never given) is still extant, and who is an acknowledged
    ornithological expert.  (I find this all very suspicious, but the
    book is hilarious.) )  His friend explains that the dream is his
    body's way of expressing shock at suddenly finding itself in 120�F.
    heat, with 98% humidity.  I can believe that.
    
    						Ann B.

Re .0:

It seems to me that you could have been having an out-of-body experience.  
This legs pulling effect sometimes happen when you are on your way out, and 
are still partially awake. It's happened to me, and it was so vivid (20years 
ago) and unpleasant that I vowed i would not be awake next time this happened.

You can read upon this if you want.  See if you can get ahold of Sylvan 
Muldoon and Hereward Carrington " The Projection of the Astral Body". It 
descibes this in great detail.

Happy flying...

Fred

    re: .5 (Ann)
    
    Thanks for correcting my spelling of "hypnopompic."  I do ascribe
    a potential "psychic meaning" to hypnogogic/hypnopompic images. 
    That's because for me - and for some others - these images appear 
    to be precognitive in nature.  
    
    re: .0,.4 (Poul)
    
    Thanks for answering my questions.  Here is one possible interpreta-
    tion:  When you had the "red mattress" experience, you had already
    attended at least one of the spiritual meetings.  Outwardly you were
    very impressed with the amazing events that occurred there, but in-
    wardly you had serious doubts about something.  By presenting you
    with these images, your mind presented you with the truth of the sit-
    uation.  It showed you that someone was pulling your leg(s), not just
    in the sense of teasing but in the sense of "hoax" or deception, and
    that "they" would continue to try to pull you in.  
    
    Then the mattress appears.  It's like the outfit personified.  Beauti-
    ful!  Decorated - like the older woman.  Red, silken, smooth - like the
    movement of the glass as it skims off its readings.  Enticing - as it
    settles down beside you and invites you to lay down your body and per-
    haps your money as well.  What a getup!  What a cover!  
    
    Your legs continue to be pulled so much that they're being lifted into 
    the air.  It's dishonest people or thieves who "lift."  I think your
    mind knew this. 
    
    Virginia
     
    
    
    

Thanks for all your responses, very interesting...

To continue the story about the glass-events: the two meetings were abso-
lutely non-professionel, the two friends of mine just happened to know
the older woman, so noone got any economical or other benefits from the 
events...7-8 years later, it became modern among younger people in Den-
mark, to try to get spiritual contact with the glass as described above;
as a result, several suicide incidents were reported in the papers, as 
the youngsters had horrific and scaring experiences with the thing...it
was brought up in the TV news, and the church had to give several war-
nings about NOT to make experiments like this (they didn't accept that
something UNUSUAL happened during the experiments, though...).

I wonder if any of you had ever heard about it before?

Poul

    re: .4..8
    
    I think that the set-up with the glass is a variation of a
    Ouija board.  To access the material that this conference has
    on Ouijas in general and on glass in particular, type "dir/title=
    ouija" and, once a topic is selected - e.g., topic 8 - type "search
    glass/notes=8.0-8.281."  After an entry containing the word "glass"
    appears, subsequent "glass" entries can be obtained by using the
    "search" command only.  
    
    Or, if you want to dip right in, just try 8.262, then 8.267.  It's
    an interesting topic - I think you'll enjoy it.
    
    Virginia