Conference hydra::dejavu

    Re .0 (Marylin):
    
    >   I read the previous note on the Bridey Murphy story, and was
    >hesitant to enter my experience at that time, but at the urging of
    >another friend, I decided to take the plunge.
     
    Not to worry; the Bridey Murphy business was one thing; this is
    something else.
    
    There are differing possibilities.
    
    a) It might indicate reincarnation.
    
    b) It might indicate "racial memory."
    
    c) It might indicate "past-seeing."  
    
    d) It might represent some sort of telepathic contact with a spirit.
    
    All of these are explorable; intelligent discussion shouldn't be
    derisive.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Steve,
    
      Do you mean "racial memory" as in what I think the Masai in Africa
    have? Or is that collective memory? If so, I have no Irish ancestry, I
    am 100% (as far as I can tell) Spanish ancestry, all my forebears came
    from Spain, although at different times, to Cuba. The only connection
    would be from a Celtic forebear from the Galicia province of Spain who
    I believe are the Irish counterparts, but the date 1799 is hardly one
    where this connection would be relevant.
      The other possibilities are intriguing; I just don't know how to
    to go about exploring these.
    
    Thanks for your reassurance.
    
    
    Marilyn

    Re .2 (Marilyn):
    
    I mean "racial memory" as something shared and into-tappable (under
    certain circumstances) by the entire human race.  There are basically
    two hypotheses falling under this umbrella:
    
    a) it's genetic, and thus applicable only to the memories of one's
       direct ancestors (which, with a certain amount of [geographically
       enforced] inbreeding might cover a lot of folk); as opposed to,
    
    b) it's something _shared_ throughout humanity and hence not restricted
       genetically or ethnically.  It might be that some "memories"
       are so foreign as to be useless, but that's another matter.
    
    The mechanisms for either (or both) model are open for discussion.
    Both, however, are paranormal alternatives to reincarnation, which,
    along with reincarnation and the other possibilities, are alternatives
    requiring neither hoaxing nor unconscious coaching by the hypnotist.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
                                                   

    Re.2 
    
    That's wonderful, Marilyn.  Thanks for sharing that.
    
    Cindy

    This is fascinating.  Would you consider going to another regressionist
    to seeif you could remember more details of her life?  I can understand
    your feeling "spooked," but remember that paranormal things are really
    normal things that we're just not used to.  I think I'd be too curious
    not to try to check Wexford records for her.
    
    Mary

    Re. .5
    
       Yes, I would and have considered going to another hypnotist; the
    trouble is that I have to find someone. A friend of mine has gone to
    one in the recent past, but she did not have very good results, so I
    haven't gone to him. The problem is, though, that you don't necessarily
    go back to the same life (or so I've heard), just whichever one is
    important or "available" at that time.
     
       I'm still trying to decide whether to look up the Wexford records.
    Another thing is that if I didn't find anything, I'd be disappointed,
    so I guess it's a case of d---d if I do and d---d if I don't, although
    not finding records is not really conclusive given the time and
    circumstances of "her" death.
    
    
    Re .3  
    
    Steve, thanks for clarifying racial memory, I had not heard of it in
    that global a sense.
    
    

    
    In my experience it *is* possible to regress someone to a specific
    "past-life memory".  It's kind of messy though, because you have to
    have some way of identifying that memory to the person being regressed
    and ask them to go back there - and even that much suggestion is enough
    to begin the subject weaving an original *fantasy* that may or may not
    be connected with the original, spontaneous memory (if that's what it
    really is).
    
    guy

    Re .7
    
    You stated that in your experience it is possible to regress someone to
    a specific "past life memory". Have you regressed, or are you a
    hypnotist or someone who helps others regress?
    
    I'd be interest in hearing the experiences of others who may have
    regressed or known people who have.
    
    Marilyn

    Re. .1 and others
    
    Steve,
    
    Do you know of any mechanisms for determining if a particular
    experience (mine, in this case) is actually a past life regression as
    opposed to the other possibilities you mention, or am I just left
    picking the one of my choice?
    
    Marilyn

    Re .9 (Marilyn):
    
    Unfortunately, there's no clear mechanism.  If there were, then
    there'd be no need for speculation.
    
    <enable philosophical mode>
    
    The point I was making was that while your experience _may_ indicate
    reincarnation, there are other possible mechanisms that would produce
    equivalent results.  The belief in reincarnation is one taken on
    faith; whether it's valid or not is open to question, but it hasn't
    either been unequivocally proven _or_ disproven to date.
    
    Now whether you regressed to a past life, pulled up a racial memory,
    or whatever, the mechanism might be interesting (and ultimately
    important), but so is what you've "remembered" or experienced. 
    The data are verifiable, and if you are able to verify things you
    never knew and the hypnotist couldn't have, you'll be able to establish
    the validity of those memories as actual data.  If so, then other
    memories of the period might prove invaluable in historical research.
    
    Whatever, if it proves out, it's quite a gift.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Re. .7 and elssewhere
    
    Thanks, Guy. I agree that it should be someone who knows how to do it,
    that's why I did not go to the hypnotist my friend recently went to.
      BTW I agree with the "expert" comment.....
    
    
    Marilyn

    Marilyn,
    
    I am an occasional reader of this Notes Conference. I was born 30
    years ago in a town called New Ross in the County of Wexford. The
    main town of the County is Wexford town itself. My home town is
    no more than 30 miles from Wexford. If you wish , I could supply
    you with some more background information about the town of Wexford,
    or the County, as you may have been referring to either the County
    or the Town.
    
    	The County was the centre of the Rising of 1798, with Enniscorthy,
    New Ross and Wexford itself being the main points of battle. If
    you would like more information first han, then contact me. There
    are many lakes and lagoons on the South Coast of the County, also
    the "Slobs" , outside Wexford Town, are a huge marshy area used
    by migrating North/South Geese heding to/from Greenland.
    
    I have forgotten a lot of the history of my old county, but could
    gain much information for you and supply you with addresses to check
    your "thoughts".
    
    Regards,
    
    Tadhg (pronounced "Tie" as in Necktie, "g" as in Ghost) Russell
    
    Dub01::russell
    or
    Dbcic1::russell
    or 
    Russell @DBO 

Marylin, I had the same experience about two years ago. Although, I was
not hynotized but "auditiert" (this is german, I don't know the english 
word for it), and this was exactly how you described the procedure. Eyes
were closed but I could exactly hear what was going on in the room and
I for sure didn't sleep. Did you also have to do such things like touch 
the table, say what date it was etc. when you "came back"?

I loved to do this "auditieren" (for example, he also could heal illnesses
with this procedure), but unfortunately found out that this man was coming 
from a sect called "Scientology" (should be known in the States). They are
known to be profis with this. I got scared and stopped the contact. 

Btw: He didn't only "lead" me to the past but also to the future ....

Billie
      

    Re. .13 (Billie)
    
    Thanks for responding. I don't know what your procedure was called
    either, but it does sound the same. I did not have to touch the table,
    etc. when I "came back", but he did bring me back slowly. 
    BTW, he have certainly heard of Scientology here in the States, and
    although I'm not very familiar with a lot of their beliefs, I, too, am
    very wary of them. They are always involved in some controversy, and
    former members seem to always tell of harrassment campaigns, etc.
    against them. All in all, I think you did well to stay away. I have
    heard that people are very susceptible to hypnotic (auditieren)
    suggestions, and it's best to use someone reputable and trustworthy.
    
    I'm intrigued by your statement that you "saw" the future as well, can
    you let me know some things you saw which have come true already? Or
    even if they have't I'd still like to read about someone else's
    experience.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Marilyn

    Re: .13, Billie

> I loved to do this "auditieren" (for example, he also could heal illnesses
> with this procedure), but unfortunately found out that this man was coming 
> from a sect called "Scientology" (should be known in the States). They are
> known to be profis with this. I got scared and stopped the contact.

    I would say, don't be scared - just be...careful. Scientology,
    has had some bad press and some of it's people appear to be
    manipulators. However, some of it's techniques are valid.
    Your own experience with them wasn't 'bad', was it?

    Did you ask the man about his connection with Scientology?
    
John D.    

Marilyn -

When I said *future* I didn't mean the next years. Where he "lead" me
was 2000 years ahead ...

Interested in what I saw/felt? I was sitting in a kind of flying space
ship or something similar and there was only dark space around me, no
stars or planet or whatever. I felt very well, relaxed, strong, wise,
not scared, didn't think about anything but was just sitting there and
enjoying "life". Next to me was a guy, looked quite different - tall,
bold, strange body and face. But we were not talking, we just "were"
there.

If it will ever come true? Will I know?


John -

Yes, my experiences with this guy were not bad, because I liked what
he showed me, the way he did it, how he helped me and others. But when
finding out that he was a member of this sect and being told by others
that this was exactly their way to get new members I got scared and
broke off the contact to him. (He lives in Germany).

Sometimes I wonder if I did the right thing but knowing that I CAN do
this "auditieren" anytime and anywhere I want I think someday I might
find somebody who does it, too, free of any sect or whatever .....

Now, I'm leaving for a short Easter vacation and won't be here until next
Friday. Wishing you all a HAPPY EASTER! and 

"reading" you next week,
Billie

    
    It will come true and you will know.
    
    Mary :-)