Conference hydra::dejavu

    Hello Mike,
    
    I don't know if this is discussed before that's why I try to give
    you a reply. There are several theories concerning these phenomena
    
    1. One is telepathy. You are constantly but unconsciencely
    communicating with the other. Love could be one reason for this,
    but there are several others too. With some people it works easier
    than with others. Just as with normal communication, you see.
    
    2. Than there is the phenomena we call clear-feeling in the
    Netherlands. I don't know the english word for it. It means that
    people can feel how others feel. One of the things you see here
    is that you feel so connected to someone else ( it can be consious
    and unconsious) that you do the same things, feel the same things
    and experience the same things. How is it with feelings with you
    two ? Are you depressed for no reason when she is ? Lots of people
    have certain feelings and don't know where it's coming from. Doctor
    can't help and describes valium or librium or so..... But in fact
    we pick up feelings with a antenna from someone else.....
    
    3. Very difficult to prove ofcourse, you were twins in your former
    live. And by coincidence ( does this exist ?) you found each other
    back. I know, not to prove, unscientific, unrealistic.....but also
    an explanation.
    
    4. Last where I can think of ; born at the same date, year or same
    astrological date ? I met on a holiday in Yugoslavia a guy who had
    been born on the same date, year and even hour.......He looked
    different from outside (happily for me) but for the rest....that
    was really shocking to be confronted with the Yugoslavian yourself..
    
    I hoped it helped you a bit, Mike. I can furthermore advice you
    to make fun of it. Try to find out what you do the same and where
    you differ...perhaps that could give you some clues.
    
    Lots a success I wish you from far Nijmegen,
    
    Johnny ^O^

    
    Johnny,
    
    thanks for your interesting inputs.
    
    2- <<are you depressed for no reason when she is ?>>
    
    I don't had the chance to find it out yet.
    
    3- << twins in former life >>
    
    even if it's weird, it sounds very interesting. Are there known
    examles or more theories about this ?
    
    4- << born at the same date >>
    
    I was born at the 21.st of June, she at the 21.st of October 
    
    Mike
    
    

    Hi Mike,
    
    I keep my advice try to find out the differences and the equalities.
    Especially the date is beginning to be interesting...perhaps readers
    who are more in astrology can reply...but I think they need the
    year and especially the time ( hour, minutes) of birth.
    
    About the former lives, the problem is that when I read something
    I can remember what I read but not who and where...... Next to that
    when I wrote it down I was thinking of someone I knew who had the
    same experience. And he insisted that the other was a twin in a
    former life. He had found that out during a spirtistic session...
    
    Hope for you that others can give some more theoretical input.
    I say it again, you should have lots a fun finding things out together
    with her ! Things you have in common and so. Perhaps it could be
    frightening too !
    
    ^O^

    Johnny ^0^ .1
    
    FYI - The english terms for the experience of clear-feeling 
    is "clairsentience".
    
    Karen
    

    Hi Mike,
    
    No, your not the only one this happens to.  I started off note 1196
    with the same type of experience (just to let you know - after about
    reply 15 the replies go way off the subject).
    
    It really is an odd feeling though isn't it?  Very hard to describe
    because most of the time it's just an instantaneous feeling or some
    thought that will cross your mind.
    
    Do you notice that it happens at specific times more than others?  For
    instance, mine come through more often when I'm relaxed and haven't a
    great deal of pressure on.  But I've found more recently that I can
    pick things up from other people too.  I discovered this
    ability/sensation from my friend and roommate.  Now it's happened a few
    times with people I don't know.  Keep your eyes and ears open!
    
    --   Tracy

    re .4  Thanks Karen, I couldn't find the word in my dictionairy
    
    ^O^ John

RE .0

There always seems to be one person needed to trigger it..... Just like Tracy, I
have developed it further, and I experience it with many more people now. And I
also realized that I had made use of it before, only subconsciously! Certain
times, in certain states... I won't call it relaxation -- more "heightened
awareness"; though I reach it when trying to relax. ;-)

You asked to please not mention the word "love". Now, since I have mentioned it
already ;-): isn't it great feeling? Ecstasy without "ecstasy", as it were...

:-)
Arie

    
    Arie,
    
    << you pleased not to mention the word "LOVE" >>
    
    well, I'm not afraid of it   ;-)
    I just don't want to take it for an explantion.
    
    << isn't it a great feeling >>
    what are you talking about - Love or this kind of "clear feeling"
    
    For the first one:   of course it's great !
    For the second one:  it's pretty strange, I never thought that things
    like this can happen.
    Up to now there are more exaples available. How's about this one:
    I'm thinking about her in my office, the phone rings right away.
    I decided to make a test and even it could be a customer , I picked
    up the phone and asked "Yes, (name...)?".
    Guess who it was...
    
    M1ke

RE -1 (M1ke)

>    << isn't it a great feeling >>
>    what are you talking about - Love or this kind of "clear feeling"
I meant both.

>    I decided to make a test and even it could be a customer , I picked
>    up the phone and asked "Yes, (name...)?".
>    Guess who it was...

You want two examples from me?

First. Yesterday I was in my own office for only three minutes. My wife called
me there. I said: "You are lucky that I'm in! I came in a minute ago, and leave
in one minute!". She answered: "I wouldn't have called if you weren't there...".

Second. I once had a sudden urge to call someone. I was on the road, no phones
around, but the urge was great. So I went to a petrol station, phoned him, and
said to him, jokingly: "You better have a d**n good reason for me wanting to
phone you so urgently!" (line stolen from the Hitch Hiker's Guide.... ;-).
He had.....

I have numerous more examples, and I know others in this conference have too.
Just enjoy it; see what it brings to you. There are endless possibilities....

Arie

    Those last examples were definitely examples of telepathy. I happens
    to everybody ! That means if you accept it that these things happen.
    Mostly people call this coincidence, I don't !
    But the way things are described before there is more than only
    telepathy going on here....Clear-sentience is in it too !
    How is further research going Mike ? 
    I hardly dare to write it to you, but I heard yesterday that these
    sort of phenomena strongly are related to L*O*V*E*. Because Arie
    couldn't let to mention that too, Mike, see that as a dutch problem.
    You are right, it isn't necessairy the cause !
    
    Have a nice weekend, John ^O^

    Well, how are things going Mike?
    
    Arie brought up a very interesting point in .7.  "There always seems
    to be one person needed to trigger it..."  Maybe we just need this one
    person to help us realize what's going on.
    
    You/we/I may have been picking up on other's thoughts for quite a while
    but just never realized it.  It takes this one person whom we are close
    to  (no L word used!!) to realize what's happening.  If we tuned in to
    a perect stranger, there's much less of a chance of us getting any
    feedback from this person about what they were thinking/doing/about to
    say.  But with someone we are close to we can ask, guage their
    reaction, or just wait and see if they do what we think they will.
    
    Since this all started  -- well since I realized it all started -- I
    pay more attention to what goes on around me and I've been pleasantly
    surprised!  Listen and be aware and see if you can experience this with
    other people, not just your `one person.'
    
    --  Tracy

    
    re .10/.11
    
    thanks for your inputs. Maybe you are right that it might work with
    other people too, I've never realized it and well - I've never tried
    to. Like I said before - this is a very unknown feeling to me.
    I will keep you updated
    
    Mike

    	This happens to me a lot, and has for so long I no longer consider
    it unusual anymore. It's the way things work.

M1ke, here's my story:

About 4 years ago I met a guy at the company I was working and we had this same
experience. We were thinking the same things at the the same time, met at places
without having a date and so on (see your own note). A few months later we 
became a couple and had a real good year. Then the problems came and the
relation ship broke off in a quite bad way. And guess, during those last months
our "feelings" were gone, it not even happened once!!! 

After a few months of not seeing or hearing each other we started again to 
establish a friendship (only). And now we are quite good friends again 
(calling each other about twice a month), and you might already know: 
These "feelings" are back! He calls me just when I was thinking of him, I 
don't have to finish my sentences because he knows what I was going to say 
and so on and on.

So, I think it doesn't have to be *love*, but still some kind of positive
feeling for each other. With my fiance it also "works" sometimes but
for sure not that often (almost all the time) as with that friend.

Enjoy those "feelings", M1ke, I think this is a great gift and you can
have a lot of fun!

Billie

Dear Mike;

    Your story fasinates me very much.  My mom is into astrology, reincarnation,
ect....  and I have always  taken an interest in what she has to say..  I dont
think that your situation has to do with *Love* (oops theirs that word again).
I was reading a book called PAST LIVES FUTURE LIVES...  It is very interesting.

I would strongly recomend you read it.  As a matter of fact you can borrow
the one I have.  The author, to whom is a hypmotist, talks about experiences
with his patients and the different stages of the mind and how the work.

The girl to whom you are having these experiences with you may have had a
relationship or have known her in another life,  inwhich I believe someone 
has mentioned to you.  You should both get together and make these occurences
strong and see how far they can go.   What would be even better is to go to
a well known hypmotist TOGETHER to see if there is an explanation for what is
happening to you.

I would love to go to one myself just to see if I could connect what is 
happening in my life now with what has happened before.  They say if you
have not learned your lesson the first time you will keep experiencing the 
situations until you get it right.  Thats our whole purpose on this earth.

Everything happens for a reason, and I truly believe that.  We may never know
why they do,  but its for the best.

Please keep me posted as to what you are going to do.  I dont think any 
reply is going to answer your ?'s.  You should seriously think about seeing
a perfessional in this field.  The more you know the more you will under-
stand and beable to come to terms/deal with it...

The offer still stands for the book.
Take care.


                                Kim

    re .15 (Kim)
    
    Good suggestion only :....
    
    - hypnosis doesn't work with everyone
    - the evidence about going back in former life is rather weak
    - watch out if the hypnotist is a credible one !
    - Meeting again in this life doesn't have to mean that something
    went wrong in the former. Although interesting to investigate !
    
    A nice weekend for everyone,  John ^O^  

    Re: .16
    
       - I think that Mike has the right mind and outlook to be hypmotized.
    
       - Secondly I didnt say anything bad happened in a past life,  but it
         is possible that they did have some type of connection with each
         other,  which could explain whats happening to them now...
    
       - If you could sit down and read this book Ive been refering to,
         the evidence of going back in a former life is stronger than
         your *rather weak*...  These types of conversations need to be
         discussed with an open mind rather than places ideas in so called
         certain brackets []...
    
       - I dont believe Mike has got anything to lose by an experience
         Im suggesting to him...   Have you a better idea/alternative.
         Atleast a hypmotist knows more about this field than you or I..
    
    
    
    
     *  If you have read my reply Mike I would love to hear one from you.
    
     *  John,  I am a new noter in this.  I just discovered the notes file
        less than a week ago.  I think its great to be able to communicate
        with everyone,  and hearing these stories,  well I cant describe
        it..  They go on and on..     Please be nice.  Its very hard to 
        get the courage up to write something in here....    I guess Im
        a little self consious of what people think~~~~~~....
    
    
    
                                            Have a good night....Kim

    re .17 (Kim)
    
    Sorry Kim if you had the impression I was knocking down your
    suggestion. That was not the purpose of my reply ! It was meant
    more as a supplement to think it all over, than as an attack on doing
    it. I have done a lot of things with hypnosis and I really found
    out you can't do it with everyone. I can't say from here who can
    and who cannot......
    With rather weak evidence I mean there are a lot of supporting and
    rejecting arguments in literature ( at least what I read). In fact
    you see this happening with most phenomena described in this
    conference. But weak evidence means not to me to let it or to call
    it nonsense. It means that you have to find out yourself if it right
    or not. A possibility is trying it out. 
    And my warning was directed to Mike, that if he wants to try it,
    he has to be sure he is going to deal with a credible hypnotist.
    I have seen to many jerks who claimed they could do it, but actually
    couldn't. And especially for this kind of hypnosis should be done
    by someone who is skilled and experienced to do so.
    
    I'm really sorry to have upset you,
    
    still have fun,  ^O^Johnny
    
    
    tried to say is just try it out but take care 

    re .18
    
    Please don't read the last sentence in .17, I am a beginner too,
    so I must have done something wrong.............
    
    Johnny ^O^

    Goodmorning
    
      I feel very gifted to have the ability to know what other people 
    are thinking and feeling. One experience I had was real shocking.
      About 9 months ago I went to the YMCA and was sitting in the hot
    tub relaxing after a hard workout.  Out of the blue a lady I had
    never seen before started talking to me, about my abilities. She 
    began with, why are you scared of your gift, not knowing this lady 
    from adam, I asked her what she was talking about.  Her come back was
    you were a chosen person to be a channel and if you learn to control 
    this gift you use it wisely, she went on for about 15 min. She
    mentioned things from my past that NO one ever knew, except for family.
    
    My question is how did she know all about me when I did not even know
    her?  I have been well aware of my gift since I was a child but I was
    always so scared.                                   
    
    
                                                until we talk again
                                                     Tammy
                                                 

    Re.20
    
    Hi Tammy,
    
    It sounds as if you've had an encounter with a messenger - someone put
    in your path (or perhaps subconsciously requested to be there by you)
    to help point your way.
    
    I've had similar kinds of experiences with people coming into my life
    at 'coincidental' times.  Normally they are far less intense in my case
    than the encounter you experienced, but for some reason you needed to 
    hear what the woman said in the way she said it in order for you to 
    believe it and pay attention.  Guess it worked!  (;^)
    
    As for 'how' it works, well, I don't know.  I just know that it works,
    having had firsthand experience myself.
    
    Cindy
       

    Hi Cindy,
    
      I wish there was a way of learning how to point myself in the right 
    direction.  I was always told, that in time I would be able to
    guide myself, but I have yet to find a way of doing this.  Any ideas or
    suggestions would be greatly appreciate?  
    
    
                                                  Tammy
    

    Hi Tammy,
    I am astonished by your story. A messenger mostly comes ( at least
    I know) in dreams to guide you how to do certain things. But you
    actually met her....a pity you didn't ask her name and adress, she
    could help you to develop your gifts...
    You have two oppurtunities to develop your gifts ( at least as far
    I know) ;
    1. You have already certain feelings about your gifts. Try to find
       out yourself what these feelings are in what situation. Try to
       find what is clear to you and what isn't....use your own way
       defining them.
    2. Perhaps you can contact your messenger again ; think about her
       and that you meet her again at the same place. Perhaps she gets
       your message and will appear. If this works you have the right
       person to help you. Next to that look around if there is a 
       group around you dealing with these phenomena, contact them.
       Mostly they can give you the right advice...
    
    Lots of success with it, enjoy these feelings. I know, because I
    am still investigating mine !
    
    Johnny ^0^

    Hi Johnny,
    
      Thanks for the quick response, I'm going to the Metaphysical Fair 
    tonight.  I hope I can get some answers.  I'll keep you posted.
    
                                                Tammy

  If don't know, then you weren't invited :-).

    Re.22
    
    Hi Tammy,
    
    There is a great book I read recently entitled "Teaching The Heart To
    Sing" by Julie Redstone.  In it she mentions that eventually we will
    all bow to our own inner teacher.  
    
    To begin, try to listen to the voice within - not necessarily a real
    voice - but from your intuition.  Ask yourself a question, outloud if
    necessary, and then be silent and open to receive what 'pops into your 
    head'.  This is your intuition.
    
    It takes time and practice to develop this, but it is possible.  It
    also involves learning to trust your inner voice, and this also comes
    with time.  At some point you might be interested in finding more out
    about medication, though since I don't do this on a regular basis
    myself, it would be best to ask someone else about this particular
    activity.
    
    Going to bookstores and seeing what 'pops off the shelf into your hand'
    is also a good way of listening.  (;^)  And learning.  
    
    Cindy 

    Tammy,
    
    I know Cindy, and I think she meant to say "meditation" instead 
    of medication in her last note.  
    
    This has happened to me before too, even while saying the word!
    Nevermind typing it.
    
    karen.* :-)

    
    Oh...yeah...thanks, Karen.
    
    Condy  (;^)