Conference hydra::dejavu

1208.0. "Information Wanted: Veridical Apparitions" by CADSYS::COOPER (Topher Cooper) Fri Feb 02 1990 12:20

    The following request from Dr. Ian Stevenson, an investigator of such
    phenomena as apparent
    reincarnation memories appeared in the most recent issue of the
    American Society for Psychical Research Newsletter (Autumn, '89 --
    they're a bit behind in their publication schedule).  Dr. Stevenson
    is known for his thoroughness and rigor, and a number of his books
    (e.g., Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation) have been recommended
    elsewhere in this conference.

    Anyone with information for Dr. Stevenson should contact me.  Dr.
    Stevenson fails to make this explicit, but anonymity is, of course,
    guaranteed.  Note that cases which do not fit into the five specific
    categories are still of interest, as long as there is some clear
    veridical aspect to them.

				    Topher

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		INFORMATION WANTED: VERIDICAL APPARITIONS

    I am eager to learn about one or more veridical apparitional
    experiences [this means that an "apparition", which need not be
    explicitly visible, somehow communicated unknown information which
    could be confirmed independently -- TC].  They do not have to be
    recent, but it would be preferable that living persons or written
    records be available to corroborate the percipient's telling of his or
    her experience before it was verified and also to confirm independently
    the verified details.

    For the purpose of this investigation, the following types of
    death-coinciding apparitional experiences would qualify:

    1.  The apparitional figure conveyed to the percipient information
    about a death that was neither expected nor inferable; or

    2.  The apparitional experience conveyed information about the
    circumstances of the death (or perhaps the burial) that were unknown
    and not inferable to the percipient.  For example, the percipient might
    have seen the appearing person in completely unfamiliar clothes which
    corresponded to unusual clothes in which the appearing person had been
    buried.

    Apparitional cases that are not death-coinciding are also of interest.
    Experiences of these types may include:

    3. Postmortem apparitions in which the appearing figure conveyed
    information to the percipient not normally known or inferable, such as
    where valuable receipts had been hidden; or

    4.  Reciprocal cases in which a person having an out-of-body experience
    was simultaneously perceived by another percipient at another place
    where the first percipient seemed to travel during his or her OBE
    experience, or

    5.  Apparitions of living persons seen at a distance from their
    physical location, who are not in a crisis situation.  (A few cases of
    this type are already on record and more may occur than are known about
    and reported by investigators.)

    The persons concerned in such cases should be willing to be interviewed
    during a thorough investigation of the cases.

    
    
    Here in Geneva, Switzerland, I've attended a conference given by "Pere
    Francois Brune" in which he was explaining and letting us listen to
    RECORDING of voices from dead Entities.
    They were delivering very interesting messages about the style of life
    over there...
    Pere Francois Brune has also written a very interesting book called
    "Les Morts nous parlent"
    
    A complete "new" area which sounds promising !!!
    
    Kind regards,
    
    Albert.
    

RE: .1 (Albert)
    
    This doesn't sound like the kind of more-or-less spontaneous apparition
    which Dr. Stevenson is looking for, but I would like to know more
    details.
    
    Is this the Raudive technique?  I.e., something like (there are many
    variations) a radio tuned between stations is taped or a tape recorder
    with the input gain turned up but the microphone removed is run in
    record mode?  If so you should know that it turns out that frequently
    when the spirits are at their most unambigously intellegible, they
    are announcing the call-letters of radio stations, giving the names
    of popular records, or discussing current events.  Those who honestly
    believe in this phenomena find rationalizations for distinguishing the
    clearly discrediting "voices" from what they view as the "legitimate"
    ones, and present their results without these "misleading" "spurious"
    voices.
    
    While I don't think much of Raudive voices, I am very much interested
    in hearing about your experience.  Even if this was Raudivian, perhaps
    you can tell me something that will change my mind about it, or which
    I'll someday put together with something else and change my mind.
    
    						Topher