| Title: | Psychic Phenomena |
| Notice: | Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing |
| Moderator: | JARETH::PAINTER |
| Created: | Wed Jan 22 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Tue May 27 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 2143 |
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hi, I've just started using this file. I've always believed in the
supernatural and have had several experiences dealing with spirits.
Many of my experiences were during my childhood and I think it is
because children are more open to new ideas, unusual happenings, etc.
The first few times I was terrified, but over the years i've come to
enjoy and look forward to them. However, they're not as frequent as i
would like them to be. I used to see images (not really images, but
figures of people that I didn't know), now I only feel the distinct
presense of people that i do know, especially my grandmother who passed
away some months ago.
I always had a wonderful relationship with my
grandmother, but she was a little jealous because of the fondness
between my grandfather and myself. Although we were both aware of the
jealousy we rarely discussed it while she was a live unless it was with a
touch of humour. After her death we were able to resolve it, not by
talking, but by thinking to each other and she hugged me that day. It
was odd because it was not a physical hug and yet i could still feel
it, not on my skin, but inside my body like a squeeze. I felt elated
for days. Having been able to communicate with her has helped a great
deal in coping with her death. She has also helped me when i
desperately needed her help, and could not help myself.
My grandmother was capable of predicting the future, and often told me
when i was a child, that there were several witches in our family
history and that both she and i were one. She believed that it skipped
a generation.
i know this sounds odd. I keep thinking as i write this that in another
notesfile people would consider putting me in a loony bin. I never speak
to anyone else about my experiences.
I have also had the usual experiences, knowing who is calling me,
especially my SO. Knowing i've been somewhere before, but can't
remember when. Also dreaming of something happening and it happens:
this has been the scariest for me because the dream is always about me
and something i'm going to do. I don't remember the dreams until they
actually reoccur while i'm awake and i always have the fear that it
would be unwise to stop what i'm doing, just to change the details of
the dream from my wake state.
I've been thinking lately about reading up on the supernatural, but i'm
extremely interested in OBE's. I have a couple of questions.
Hopefully there is someone out there who has the answers.
1) has anyone ordered or used the tapes listed in 44.7 from the R.
Monroe institute? How did you feel about them? Are they supposed to
help you attain an OBE?
2) has anyone used a book exclusively to try an OBE for the first time?
Did it work, and what is the name of the book?
3) In an OBE is it possible to travel to other planes or time frames?
I realize that that could be extremely dangerous. Is it possible to
communicate with people who are dead or other people who are having an
OBE and is the communication with thought versus word.
Thanks for everybody's answers. I'm sorry if these questions are
redundant. If so, please point me in the right direction.
Shirley
i've got a couple of questions.
1. has anyone tried the tapes in 44.7 from the R. Monroe foundation and
if so what did you think of them.
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| 1095.1 | Try "Journeys Out of the Body" | 34320::STEARNS | Wed Aug 02 1989 15:31 | 28 | |
I myself have just startedreading this conference. My mother got
me interested in astral projection when she started telling me about
her experiences when I was a teenager. Her story is a long and
interesting one, but to keep it short, her first out of body experience
occurred shortly after my birth when her heart stopped and blood
pressure disappeared from a severe allergic reaction to penicillin.
By the time she started talking to me about them, she was able to
astral project almost anytime she wanted.
I got a bit of coaching from her, and a book by James Monroe; I
believe the title was "Journeys Out of the Body." After about three
months of daily attempts to relax my body and focus my mind I had
a strange and somewhat scary experience. I woke up about 4 a.m.
and my entire body was vibrating, almost like a continuous mild
electric shock. Then I could feel waves of more intense vibration
going up and down my body. After two or three minutes of this,
it slowly faded away. I couldn't get back to sleep after this,
but I'm sure it was the initial stge of astral projection that both
my mother and James Monroe have experienced.
I was never able to recreate the experience and my life has been
so busy since that long lazy summer I haven't had time to concentrate
on developing that ability. Monroe's book is very interesting and
helpful. If you can find it, read it.
Good Luck!
Gil Stearns
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| 1095.2 | I've come close | CARTUN::MISTOVICH | Thu Aug 03 1989 13:29 | 34 | |
I experienced the initial phases of an OOBE several years ago. I had
never read about them at the time, so it was pretty scary.
Interestingly, part of me was able to leave my body. I reached out
with my left arm and felt it go through the wall. The mixture of my
energy and "wall energy" was very bizarre (sort of like a living
pointalist painting). Also, my legs flew up in the air, but I couldn't
seem to escape the upper torso and head of my physical body, so I
wasn't able to fly.
In another experience I had, I very nearly joined a spirit canoe. Its
kindof a long and intriguing story, but I'll try and include some brief
highlights.
It started when I woke up in the middle of the night. I was fully
awake at the time of the experience. It was very windy out, and we had
one of those wind-blowing geese type things in the yard (ours wasn't a
goose, come to think of it. It was a mule kicking a farmer. However,
I digress...). I was laying on my back listening to the rythmic
squeaking of the mule. I yawned and stretched and in the middle of the
stretch I went into the initial OOBE vibrations. I would have liked to
have "unstretched" because its a little unconfortable to stay in a big
stretch for long, but I didn't want to wreck the OOBE so I stayed on my
back with my arms stretch way over head and my toes stretched down,
etc. During the vibrations, the mule squeaks turned into the sound of
rattles. My "mind's eye" was dark, but I could see the outline of a
canoe with figures. I started to open my eyes, but as they flickered
it seemed very bright out (like daylight) so I closed them again so
that I wouldn't lose the experience. I could hear the people from the
canoe calling to me and encouraging me, "Come on, you can do it!" I
tried very hard to reach them, I'm not sure for how long, but
eventually my concentration and energy started to fade and I lost
contact. When I opened my eyes, it was still pitch black out!
Mary
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| 1095.3 | Incarnation is a Gift Worthy of Great Care | WMOIS::REINKE | S/W Manufacturing Technologies | Tue Aug 08 1989 17:56 | 28 |
I'm personally kind of suspicious of OOBEs -- not about whether they
can happen, but about when and how one should be attempting them. My
fundamental question: "What if you can't get back? What have you done
with this sacred gift called incarnation?"
I recall as evidence for such a possibility a remark reported by
Castenada. don Juan says Carlos had almost got lost (presumably
on some plane of the spirit). don Juan said he was preparing to go
searching for him -- possibly forever -- when Carlos finally returned
to his body.
In summary, I believe in the possibility of OOBEs, and I also believe
momentous consequences can derive therefrom. I would not attempt
such excursions without complete confidence in my At-One-Ment, and
certainly not without first seeking the blessing and protection
of God.
"... human kind
Cannot bear very much reality.
...
Yet the enchainment of past and future
Woven in the weakness of the changing body,
Protects mankind from heaven and damnation
Which flesh cannot endure."
T.S. Eliot _Four Quartets_
Donald Reinke
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