Conference hydra::dejavu

    
    My first guess is that you have a fear of expressing yourself in
    some way.  Perhaps your experience seems to be that when you do
    notice a part of your unconscious characteristics out in the open
    for all to see that you are surprised and/or embarrassed by them.
    Suddenly you feel that you have "bitten off more than you can chew",
    and everyone will see that you are in some way deformed.  The
    deformity of the loss of a tooth could be analagous to some part of
    your character that you are ashamed of, but could just as easily be
    expressed in the conscious realm.  Perhaps when it comes to creative
    matters you are not confident.  Or it could be sexual (another aspect
    of creativity).  Or who knows.....
    
    Perhaps, since the dream concerns the mouth, you fear speaking of 
    certain subjects that might expose your own complex.
    
    Just some ideas to think about....
    
    
    Guy

    
    Guy,
    
    In reply to <1085.1>, thank you for your ideas.  I read through your
    message twice and I can definitely associate the tooth-dream with 
    a part of myself that I haven't quite come to grips with yet.  "It"
    is also something that pops up in my dreams, but I never related the
    two subjects!  I NEVER would have though teeth falling out could be
    symbolic of consciously supressed-characteristics, that I believe
    would cause embarrassment.  You have certainly given me some food
    for thought.  I wonder if I should discuss this with a psycho-
    therapist!  They are into dream analysis, are they not?  Well thanks
    again for your ideas.  If you have any more please let me know.
    
    -Nancy
    
    

    
    Well, I'm not much of a dream-ologist, but... let's look at the
    obvious.  Are you afraid of getting old?  Are you afraid that if
    you don't start flossing, your teeth will fall out?  I'd consider
    these possible fears before I got too busy paying a psych!!
    
    :)  Betsy  (Actually, I AM being somewhat serious - always look
    for the obvious answer - it has a higher likelihood of being correct.)

    
    Nancy,
    
    Perhaps what you happen to be biting into could be a clue as to what
    exactly is being repressed.
    
    For instance, if it was an apple, perhaps you would find that you
    associate certain things with apples.  But in the case of the apple
    itself there is a universal symbol - that found in the book of Genesis.
    
    Do you remember what it was that you were eating? Send me Email if you
    prefer.
    
    
    Guy
    
    P.S. I'm extremely pleased to have a "hit" with an interpretation.;-)
    
    

    Nancy, the only dream-book I have is the one entitled, "Nancy
    Glidden."  It has a section on symbolism called, "Sounds like
    ...," in which the word "truth" is symbolized by the picture
    "tooth."  It's probable that the dream occurs within a day or
    two of whatever event triggers it.  You can check out the in-
    terpretation of the dream by setting it into the context of 
    your experience at that time - exactly as you would set a piece
    into a jigsaw puzzle - and if the interpretation fits, you'll 
    know it, because then you'll get the picture.
    
    I think you feel that if the truth comes out something bad will
    happen.  You feel that if you speak up against others there will
    be a falling out.  You feel that others will become very touchy
    and may not believe what you say.  You feel that if you start
    something you may not be able to finish it, because you'll get
    stuck.  What has happened to others who have been up-front and 
    who have bucked the system could also happen to you.  It's im-
    portant to you that others are with you and not against you.
    You don't want to create a horrible sensation or to get displaced.
    You would be all broken-up.
    
    
    Virginia
    

    
    Virginia,
    
    Thank you for sharing your ideas.  I can use the 'truth' concept
    and see it's significance, I know I wake up troubled from these
    dreams, and because things have been unsettled lately I go to sleep
    with a lot on my mind, rather than talking things out.  It is true
    that I hold back from speaking 'my' truth, and that is probably
    sometimes for the best!
    
    I will try to be more aware of the surrounding, external circum-
    stances the next time I have a dream.  I've learned that dreams
    are a way for our subconscious self to send messages to our
    conscious self, through the use of symbols.  
    
    I do tend have the most trouble analyzing the shocking dreams, that 
    don't sit well with my conscious reality, like my teeth breaking
    off!  But do "warm fuzzy" dreams hold a great significance as well?
    By "warm fuzzy" I mean dreams that leave us feeling at peace, calm,
    happy with ourselves or a situation.  These dreams I usually find
    easier to interpret.
    
    Nancy

    Nancy,
    
    In answer to your question....I think that some pleasant dreams
    provide significant information about the emotional state  of the
    dreamer.  Until the dream occurs, the dreamer may not realize
    either the existence or the strength of certain feelings.   A
    good visit to Dreamland may show us that, to some extent, we're
    living in a dream-world.
    
    For example, let's say that you've begun roller-skating to work.
    It seems like a wonderful idea - you're saving on gas, getting
    aerobic exercise, meeting new friends, etc. etc.  But a few weeks
    later you dream that you're driving to work in a brand new car.  
    How smooth the road is, how comfortable the seat, how beautiful
    the music!  Before you entered Dreamland you had little or no idea 
    that you even missed the car, but now you know better.  Although
    the dream exaggerates the joys of driving, it accurately portrays
    your feelings about how good it would be to drive again.
    
    
    Virginia
    

    
    re:.7
    
    I hate to nit-pick but if that were my dream I might interpret the car
    as symbolic of my means for getting to work (i.e. the roller-skates).
    This music could be symbolic of the harmony that roller-skating brought
    into your life.
    
    Just a thought...
    
    Guy

    
    re: .8
    
    A great comment - now I will think of my car as a giant roller-skate
    ...but is it for the right or for the left foot?  How would you inter-
    pret the "comfortable seat" and the "smooth road"?  And what could have
    motivated the production of the dream after about a month's time?
    
    Virginia
    

    
    Well....the "comfortable seat" could be another symbol of harmony or
    "comfort" with the situation......the "smooth road" could be the same -
    sort of analogous to the term "smooth sailing".....
    
    What could have motivated the unconscious to produce such a dream after
    a month?  Perhaps that's when the state of harmony was finally reached
    or recognized.  Keep in mind also that a dream like this might not be
    talking of a cosmic truth that will hold true for your entire life from
    that point on, though it's possible.  It might have been predicting only
    your general mood/disposition/mind-set for the following day or days.
      
    
    
    Guy

    re: .10, title 
    
    No, I manufactured the dream - consciously.
    
    Virginia
    

    When I asked early on in this note if 'warm' and 'happy' dreams are
    as significant as disturbing dreams I was thinking of this one in
    particular:  My Nana and I were very close, and she passed away in
    3/86.  Since then I've had periodic dreams of her, but one very
    poignant one in May of this year.  I had been thinking of her alot
    and missing her very much, when during one dream she and I were alone
    in a bright room, I think near a window.  She was very happy to see
    me, and she looked just like she always did, and she had a big smile
    on her face.  I was physically able to go to her, give her a wonderful
    hug, look into her face and tell her how much I love her.  It was the
    most heartwarming dream I've ever had.  I woke up that morning fully
    remembering the beauty of it, and feeling so good about it.  It was
    very comforting and left me at peace.  I didn't say I missed her, and
    it wasn't at all a sad experience.  I shared it with my mother and
    father about 2 weeks later, during that time I just relished in the
    comfort of it - like Nana and I had shared a very special moment,
    between the two of us alone.
    
    That was the very last dream I've had with Nana in it.  And I don't
    think I will have one again.  It was a beautiful, loving experience,
    but also I think it was a final farewell.  If this was just conjured up
    in my own mind, what a lovely gift I've given myself!!!  Sometimes I
    wonder if was more like a message from beyond, and if it was, I am very
    thankful for the powers that would let such a thing be.
    
    I would welcome any and all comments.
    
    Nancy

    .12 .... I've had dreams of seeing lots of folks who've passed on.
    ...some were dear to me while others not so dear. Like you, I've
    often wondered if my dream characters are from the noggin or from
    beyond. Regardless, it's amazing that we are able to entertain,
    comfort and of course scare ourselves in our sleep. Makes you
    appreciate the powers of the mind. 
    
    While we're on the subject, can anyone out there help me with this
    one (it's becoming persistent) ....
    
    I'm at the top of an increbibly steep street. For those familiar
    with Worcester, you know what I'm talking about. I'm either in 
    a car, on foot or as in my most recent one, sitting in a shopping
    cart. Don't ask me why! Anyway, the task at hand is to descend the
    hill and I'm always descending a tad faster than I'd like. I usually
    curse the civil engineers who's design is so threatening on my way
    down the street at 90 mph. Of course as in all these falling dreams
    I wake up before I hit that busy intersection at the bottom of the
    hill. So, pick my brain friends ...wadya think? 
    
                            

    re .13
    falling dreams.  I think this is "to get your attention".  If you don't
    recall the previous dream, I'd say this is a call to do so.  In any
    event, my guess, it your sub-conscious want's your attention while
    dreaming.
    
    FWIW
    L.

    RE:  .0   I, too have had dreams of my teeth falling out.  In my
    dream one tooth will fall out when I am eating something and then
    another will fall out and then another etc.  In the dream I am with
    different people and I am getting hysterical about my teeth falling
    out and everyone else thinks its a perfectly normal occurence. 
    I have had this dream several times and once I even asked my dentist
    if there was any disease that could cause teeth to fall out in that
    manner.
    BTW - I always had  (and still have) "perfect" teeth.
           

    
    re .15
    
    Isn't it the wierdest dream!  I'm glad I'm not the only one.  Although
    in my dreams no onlookers are aware what's happening to me.  If what is
    in 1085.1 is true, then maybe what YOU feel is embarrassing is really
    considered quite acceptable behavior by OTHERS.  You have to analyze
    yourself, I found the 'embarrassing/unacceptable behavior' a possible
    explanation of my 'tooth' dream.  What do you think?
    
    nlg
    
    

    
    re: .15,.16
    
    Boy! It must be nice to have perfect teeth!  Some of us lesser types
    can only hope to come so close as to interpret dreams at the feet of
    you orally impressive types... 
    
    :-)
    
    Guy

    
    re: .17
    
    Wow!  I've been complimented on my teeth but never have I heard
    it referred to as 'Orally Impressive', that's a new one!  Inter-
    esting double connotation, can't wait to go home and share that
    with the SO... although I may live to regret it too!
    
    									nlg

    
    Re.17 (Best)
    
    Guy,
    
    You've outdone yourself.  You've been initiated into the Scorpio Hall
    Of Fame as an honorary member.  Congrats, etc.  (;^)  Keep on grinning!
    
    Cindy

    Re: -1
    
    Careful, Guy, that's a *dubious* honour. :-)
    
    Jeff

    
    re: .20 (Jeff)
    
    Indubitably! ;-)
    
    re: .19 (Cindy)
    
    Do you realize what this does to my horoscope?!?!?! 
    Cough..Ack...Fizzle.....
    
    ;-)
    
    Guy

    re: .1
    
    Nancy,
    
    This is indeed a beautiful and significent dream.  I think it's a 
    dream of resolution and of acceptance, in which you come to terms
    with your grandmother's death.  I think it signifies that you've
    dealt successfully with the final stage of the grieving process.
    These stages, identified and elaborated on by the Swiss psychia-
    trist Dr. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, and more or less universally ex-
    perienced by those who undergo a great loss, are (1) denial, (2)
    anger and rage, (3) bargaining, (4) depression, and (5) acceptance.
    I don't think that this is a simple wish-fulfillment dream in which
    your mind conjures up the person you wish to see again, nor do I 
    think that it's a message from the beyond.  The beyond is probably
    symbolized in this dream by the area outside the window and, as such,
    it exists for you but isn't the primary focus of the dream.  Also 
    note that you are the one who contacts your grandmother; it's not
    the other way around.  In this dream you embrace your grandmother
    fully, and then you are able to let her go.
    
    Virginia
    
    

    
    Re: .22
    
    Virginia,
    
    Thank you so much for your comments.  It makes me
    feel so good to be able to cross that hurdle of final
    acceptance.  It was a glorious farewell, I was able to
    go to her (as you said) once I was finally ready to say
    goodbye without pain.
    
    Many thanks for your meaningful analysis, it really
    means a lot to me.
    
    Nancy
    

    Re: .16   Orally WHAT??????   ;^)
    
    I'm another Scorpio, how do I get into that Hall of Fame?
    
    Nance

 
   Re: .24 (Nance)
       
   > I'm another Scorpio, how do I get into that Hall of Fame?
    
   Er...the answer is a bit risque' for this conference...;-)


    Guy

    Re.24
    
    Hi Nance,
    
    Don't listen to that fellow in .25 - if you're a Scorpio then you're 
    already in!  (;^)  
    
    Cindy

Re: .26 (Cindy)

>    Don't listen to that fellow in .25 - if you're a Scorpio then you're 
>    already in!  (;^)  
    
Yeah...  In de-e-e-e-ep... :-)

Jeff

    Ah, Jeff.  You saved me the trouble...;-)
    
    Guy

    ...from which pots are made.  Remember there is a lid for every old
         Pot!
       L.

    Actually Cindy, no worries is close enough but not what I was thinking
    (^;
    
    Yes (groan) another Scorpio.
    
    ..dale
    

    re: .22 and .23
    
    .22 should have read "re: .12," not "re: .1";
    and "significant," not "significent."
    

    re: .13, another dream
    
    I think this is a dream of anxiety; you fear that you'll lose con-
    trol in some situation and that disaster will result.  You protect
    yourself by waking up.  Most people who drive down steep hills fear
    that their brakes will fail; those who walk down fear that their 
    legs will run away with themselves and they'll fall; and those who
    travel in shopping carts are usually children who are at the mercy
    of whomever is pushing the cart.  Not all steep streets bottom out
    at intersections, so it's interesting that yours does.  If the hill
    reminds you of a specific street, its name would probably be rele-
    vant to the interpretation.
    
    I don't know what may be making you increasingly anxious, but your
    language is suggestive of a work situation.  For example, you may
    be at the top of a career path after years of work and study, or    
    you may be on the verge of a fast-paced project.  You may have been
    handed an assignment (task) into which you had little input.  You
    may even feel you're being treated like a child.  Perhaps you were
    just carted off and told to get things rolling or to get hopping.  
    At DEC you've often found that projects move faster than you'd like,
    and you feel that those engineers - polite as they are - are in large
    part responsible for putting the pressure on you.  Inevitably, you're
    going to have to come down hard on those at the bottom - and those
    sections are already overworked!  There will be serious repercussions.
    You can't let that happen!
    
    

    Ah, great - I think this might be just the right topic to ask for
    interpretations or comments on a "phenomena" I often experience
    in my dreams:
    
    I am 3 "persons" at the same time ! -
    A woman, a man and kind of a "bodyless entity".
    
    That bodyless Me is just watching what is happening in my dreams.
    The male and female Me interact with each other in different
    situations. Sometimes one serves the other or one tries to kill
    the other (which is not frightening at all) or they are friends
    or whatever ...
    I feel and "think" all three "persons" at the same time and the male 
    and female Me see each other while the bodyless Me sees them both. 
                                                     
    I know this sounds confused but it's so hard to explain that
    experience.
    
    Have any of you had dreams like this?
    Does it make any sense to you?
    
    Karin
    
    p.s. I'm not schizophrene when I'm awake ^:-)
                                                 

    Re: .33, Karin.

    Well, no interpretations I'm afraid.

    It does however sound like a very interesting experience.

    Can you affect the course of the dream? Or even
    perhaps become 'lucid' during it? (Realise that
    you are dreaming but remain asleep).

    Can you recreate the effect in a meditative state?
    Or with a friendly hypnotist?
    
John D.

    Re: .34, John
    
    >Can you affect the course of the dream? Or even
    >become lucid dreaming ...
    
    I have to admit I never tried. I like my dreams very much and
    I have the feeling that they are there to help me get through 
    situations I can't take when awake (fears I have) so I never felt
    any need to affect them. Never had any lucid dreams as well.
    
    >Can you recreate the experience in a meditative state?
    >Or with a friendly hypnotist?
    
    Well, something similar. I have a friend who is a psychotherapist
    (sp?) whom I go to once a week. We work with psychocalistenics and
    breathing. Most of the times a get to a state where I am myself
    (meaning within my own body) as well as watching myself (similar
    to the "bodyless entity" I described in .-1). Also at that state
    I feel and think both.
    
    The differences are that 
    1. I see myself like I really am (which is not the case in my dreams)
    2. there is no "male Me"
    
    Any conclusions?
    
    Karin

    Re: .35, Karin.
    
>    I have to admit I never tried. I like my dreams very much and
>    I have the feeling that they are there to help me get through 
>    situations I can't take when awake (fears I have) so I never felt
>    any need to affect them. Never had any lucid dreams as well.

    Yes, you are probably right. They are serving a useful
    function. I guess some psychologists would like to see
    sometime in the future, an integration of the different
    dream selves. For the moment though you could look at
    it a different way - are you being 'split' by something?
    Your female/physical/sexual self going one way, your
    masculine self being pulled another and your 'higher'
    self wanting to go yet another way? Are you happy with
    your path through life or are you thinking you would
    change it - if only you could/dared?
    
>    breathing. Most of the times a get to a state where I am myself
>    (meaning within my own body) as well as watching myself (similar
>    to the "bodyless entity" I described in .-1). Also at that state
>    I feel and think both.

    I'll hazard the assertion that most people who meditate
    will recognize this sensation - the doer and the observer.
    It's also a fundamental part of Gurdjieff's 'Self-remembering'.

    Charles Tart (for example 'Waking Up') reckons that the
    exercise of self-remembering is designed to integrate the
    different selves which have split off as one's personality
    develops. Perhaps this is something that is happening to
    you? As the locus of action shifts more to the 'higher' self
    you can integrate the male and female selves into... (supply
    your own answer!).
    
John D.

    Re: .36, John
    
    Hm, you got me thinking.
    Though I don't feel like beeing split (yes, I would like to change
    something in my life if I could - extend the day to 48 hours! ;-))
    I realize that there are different aspects of my personality.
    
    Also I tried a lot in the last 6 months or so for my "inner growth"
    (psychocalestenics, tarot, paying more attention to my dreams etc.).
    I'm not sure if this fits into what you mean by "developing the higher
    Self" - I think it could.
    
    It seems to be a good interpretation that Me, Myself and I are
    "dream manifestations" for my different personalities (did I get
    you right?).
    
    As I think for me it's just natural that one aspect is stronger
    at a time than the others it might also be the reason why I'm
    not afraid if one tries to kill the other in my dreams.
    
    I'll try to get the book you mentioned "Waking Up" and already started
    with one Guy suggested (see 48 hours a day!).
    
    I'm curious to continue dreaming!
    
    Thanks,
    Karin
    
    p.s. "Zwei Seelen wohnen ach in meiner Brust"
    	  Faust, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
          -> however this translates to English ...
                                

    Re: my last reply
    
    Of course the title should have been "Greetings from Faust"!
    
    These things get me so excited that I just can't take my time
    to correct my typos.
    
    ;-)
    
    Karin

    
    Calm down, Karin - you were moving to Faust!
    
    :-)
    
    guy