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| 1041.2 | Are there no other ways? | BTO::BEST_G | A Lerxst in Wonderland | Mon May 01 1989 13:35 | 17 |
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re: .0 (Johan)
In some note somewhere in this notesfile I believe you said Jung was a
realized soul. How do you know this?
If, by becoming realized, one can see that Sahaja Yoga is the only
right way, then why are some realized souls supporting other paths?
I'm not trying to discount Sahaja Yoga or any of your ideas. I'm
just looking for answers.
Guy
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| 1041.3 | Is C.G. Jung realized soul? | VIDEO::SU | | Mon May 01 1989 15:51 | 25 |
| dear guy,
After self realisation, your nervous system becomes sensitive to the
vibrations of the flowing Kundalini.
These vibrations are modulated with interferences they get from vibrations
emitted from persons, subjects or even thoughts. In simple words this means
that if a realised soul puts his attention on a person, on a book, or
anything, then he monitors, WITHOUT THINKING how his Kundalini reacts.
Two possible effects can occur:
- Kundalini drops or the vibrations get disturbed. This means that the issue
of the attention is not the works of another realised soul.
- Kundalini rises stronger and vibrations become purer: The subject of the
attention is a realised soul or work of a realised soul.
That is how we say that also Jung had this. Although not all of his works have
the same strength, reflecting the fluctuations of his state of realisation.
As we said before, it is very easy to get the Realisation, to maintain it
needs lot of determination and sincerity in ALL aspects of life.
See you.
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| 1041.4 | realized or just cholic | NRADM::BERNIER | Patient farmer James 5:7 | Mon May 01 1989 15:59 | 7 |
| RE .0 Johan,
How does one tell the difference between between a baby realised soul
and a baby that *is* just cranky (or maybe has cholic) ? It would
be foolish to assume that every cranky baby is a "realised soul".
Gil
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| 1041.5 | realised or crying baby | VIDEO::SU | | Mon May 01 1989 16:27 | 11 |
| re: .04 GIL
As said, the parent needs to be a realised soul before he can detect
if another person (or baby) is also realised.
When you have it it manifests as a cool breeze flowing from your
hands and from the top of your head when you approach a realised
soul. As simple as that. It is not a mental analysis of behaviour,
but a STATE of being, beyond the thinking process.
see you
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| 1041.6 | How do you find a teacher that you can trust? | BTO::BEST_G | A Lerxst in Wonderland | Tue May 02 1989 09:36 | 12 |
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re. .3 (Johan)
Thank you for the explanation.
Now I have another question. If one seeks to have their "candle lit",
so to speak, how would they go about finding a realized soul without
falling prey to "false gurus"?
Guy
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| 1041.7 | Knots | ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI | the air that I breathe - and to | Tue May 02 1989 11:10 | 17 |
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Gee, my hands *sweat*, most of the time; must be cause I'm so
full of negativity. And in that context, if you dont want to consider
my question - I dont want to know! Dont bother looking - I've removed
it, as I assume it's presence had as much value as, well, "nothing"...
And dont worry; I'm not taking it to heart. I realize that it's
not anyone's problem how I choose to feel about not getting any
consideration, why, it happens to everyone at least once in their
lives! Some of us are just not used to it yet. At least I'm not
afraid to reply, because of my anticipated non-reaction...
Sorry I have not left a positive reaction. I just couldnt not
be negative about it. It is the context with which I naturally see
all things.
Joe Jas
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| 1041.8 | Before self-realisation... | VIDEO::SU | | Tue May 02 1989 12:10 | 48 |
| Re: .5 (Guy)
Indeed, once bit by a snake you'll be scared of seeing a rope on the road.
A seeker of the absolute truth is always looking for a greater meaning to
his/her life. Yet, it always a worry that not everything that is beyond is
Divine. This journey of seeking can be dangerous as you are aware. We
have heard of the damaging effects brought by drugs. Most psychic, spiritual,
and superconscious group are like drugs. They entice and entrap the seekers.
They are insidious - their dangers are not apparent until it is too late.
Everything that is transient is not necessarily divine. Not all powers
contribute to a righteous path. Visions, voices, astral projection (OOB),
auras, levitation, predictions, communications with the dead and all similar
powers are dangerous. They are all possible but they do not lead to God.
That power is temporally. They make our ego believe that they are special.
But all these powers soon sour, cause illness, distress and depression. They
are invitations for spirit possession. They are detours that confuse, if not
destroy, our true seeking. Some after your money. Others are after your
spirit. Others, simply want to take you to hell with them.
So, we have to have our own sense of discrimination (discrete):
1. The Truth cannot be owned, nor can it be bought or sold.
2. You should know the value of their path by your own conviction,
not by the number of books you read, classes you attend, or pledges
you make. Truth is not dependent upon salesmanship.
3. Can you, yourself, feel the effect of the technique? Do not
satisfied by the vague promise that you will be in an "inner
circle" at sometime in the future.
4. Do they clothe you in unusual dress, seat you in strange postures,
or submit you to wild chanting? The truth is not something that
has to be attained through strenuous efforts. It is the strength
of your desire that counts, not the harshness of their tests.
5. Is the path you've chosen Dharmic (Righteous)? It has similarity
to that followed by the sages. Will it lead to frightening
experiences of a subconscious or supraconscious nature.
6. Do you have freedom of choice to leave or continue? Follow your
heart, not your ego? If you have fears or misgivings, give them
heed. If you are in doubt and under pressure, leave. Do not be
bullied.
...Your common sense is also part of the truth knowledge.
You can be your own guru after you become self-realized. Your awaken
Kundalini is the spirit within you that will guide you, lead you and protect
you out and out.
Best regards,
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| 1041.9 | | VIDEO::SU | | Tue May 02 1989 12:17 | 12 |
| re: .7
Sorry Joe,
I was looking for your entry yesterday, but for some reason I could
not find it. I kept asking myself where is that note I want to
reply...No offense, truly.
If you like, could you post that question again? Or you can send
it through E-Mail.
Best regards,
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| 1041.10 | com'on relax joe | VIDEO::SU | | Tue May 09 1989 21:34 | 6 |
| re .7
joe, you must still be mad at us. com'on ask your question again.
also send you some reply on 'school of life'
r j.
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| 1041.11 | Western understanding of an Eastern concept | REGENT::WAGNER | | Wed May 10 1989 11:13 | 133 |
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Johan,
I see a delemma here. Truth may be exactly the same for everyone, but
every one must actually experience it for them to understand. And even their
experience of it is different for different persons( at least their
interpretation of the "Truth"). The problem lies in trying to explain
something that is beyond words with words. There is no way that this can be
done, at least using Western language. The earliest information on The
concepts of "chakras" was described in the ancient Sanskrit of East India. Now
if each of us understood Sankrit **AND** had the Eastern frame of
understanding, we might understand, intellectually what you are trying to tell
us. I say this because there are many words in Sanskrit that have no English
equivalent, therefore much has been lost in translation. Much of what you
are trying to tell us has little meaning because of this translation problem.
I Don't know where you came up with the terms you use for the
different chakras, but the text that I have, which was taken from an ancient
parchment game board and translated by Harish Johari an Indian Semanticist,
linguist, philosopher and master of Indian religious thought, gives no terms
for the actual chakras, only the Sanskrit terms for the planes that one
operates on within each chakra which may or may not be equated with
its chakra:
First chakra:
Genesis-janma
Anger-Krodh
Greed-lobh
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Second Chakra:
Purification-Tapah
envy-Eirsha
Astral plane-Bhuvar-Loka
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Third Chakra:
Karma-karma-loka
Charity-Daan
Plane of Dharma-Dharma-loka
......
fourth Chakra:
Apt religion-Sudharma
Good Tendencies-Uttam Gati
plane of Fragrance-Gandh-loka
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Fifth Chakra: man becomes himself
Gyana-Jnana
** (no equivalent)-Apana-loka
Human plane-Jana-loka
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Sixth Chakra: The time of penance
Conscience-Vivek
Plane of Violence-Himsa-loka
.....
.....
And so on. Many 'planes' or areas of concern have been omitted for the sake
of brevity.
My point is that if you understood the concepts of Chakras in more
detail and not just the Kundalini energy, you would understand just what
chakra you are operating on and the pitfalls that your ego can fall into
within that chakra. The knowledge of Kundalini is not necessary because it is
an intellectual knowledge that has no real intellectual equivalent in the
Eastern Language and therefore misundertood.
Let me give you a description of the fifth Chakra from the text called
"The Game of Self-Knowledge" which i feel has been translated by a
knowledgable and authoritative person. I am offering this as "food for
thought" as it may or may not apply in your case; it is up to you to decide:
"In the fifth chakra the player has realized compassion and wants to share
with others how he has been able to resolve those karmas which he has
confronted. Located in the throat, it is the chakra of Gyana (also spelled
jnana), knowledge. The main problem is authoritarianism--'this is the only
way.' Beyond the realm of senses, this is the center of akash (ether). The
elemental color is light lavender. The player who vibrates here meditates on
so-ham, the sound his breath makes as he inhales and exhales. His hangup is
logic and his boon to understanding. He sleeps four to five hours nightly,
changing sides.
This is the Human plane, and Right knowledge and Gyana the arrows
which can take the player up. Ignorance is the snake. This is the Plane of
the Positive, Negative and Neutral Life breaths(Frana, Apana, Vyana). Here he
is born as man and gains the understanding of energy, Agnih.
I find it interesting that Kundalini is not mentioned once in this ancient
Hindu text except in one reference to it being a concept of those who study
yoga.
I believe that you are in a very good place. But as our 'energy'
rises, our ego can become very sneaky and subtle in deluding us. the higher
the 'energy' rises the more deceptive the ego becomes and the farther we have
to fall. Please understand that you only have the answers for you and nobody
else. Only someone who is "vibrating" at your energy level or **higher** can
truly appreciate and understand what you are trying to relate to others. And
there is no need to communicate your realizations to these persons because
they already understand. In either case it is a pitfall of the ego.
Please understand that i am not pointing fingers at you because I and everybody
else are likely to fall prey to this 'snake.' It usually catches us by
surprise and sometimes shock.
TO THE DEJAVU COMMUNITY:
If you would like to have a more complete and deeper understanding of
what J has been talking about when he mentions chakras, i have a complete text
on "LEELA: The Game of Self-Knowledge" located in my account. It reveals the
Pluses and pitfalls of each chakra and what one must do to function within the
next higher chakra. One can make quick ascents (and descents) and thus bybass
levels. There is about one hundred pages of text and is semi-formatted for
two-sided printing. (The luxuries of working with an engineering group which
is designing a duplex printer.) It can be printed on any printer as the
format is ASCII.
The location of this text is:
REGENT::USER$C:[WAGNER.PERSONAL.GAME]LEELA.TXT
The directory and text is world readable and should be copied into your
account before printing to reduce network congestion. If there are any
problems copying the text or printing it, please send me mail at
REGENT::WAGNER and i can send a hard-copy through inter-office mail
Ernie
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| 1041.12 | Sri Mataji's US- tour 89 | VIDEO::SU | | Sat May 20 1989 00:13 | 39 |
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To everyone ,
Note 401.41 can serve as answer to many of your replies.
Just want to inform about the Schedule of Shri Mataji's visit in
June:
Fr 9 Jun Arriving New York
Sa 10 Jun Rest in New York
Su 11 Jun Devi Puja in Connecticut
Mo 12 Jun Program in New York
Tu 13 Jun to Cincinnati
We 14 Jun Program in Cincinnati
Th 15 Jun to Tronto, public program.
Fr 16 Jun to Vancouver
Sa 17 Jun Program in Vancouver
Su 18 Jun to San Diego
Mo 19 Jun in San Diego
Tu 20 Jun Program in San Diego
We 21 Jun to Miami, Florida
Tu 22 Jun Program in Miami
We 23 Jun to Bogota, Columbia
Th 24 Jun Program in Bogota
Fr 25 Jun Puja in Bogota for South America
Sa 26 Jun to Rio
Su 27 Jun Program in Rio
Mo 28 Jun to Salvador (Brazil)
Tu 29 Jun program in Salvador
We 30 Jun Back to London
If you study this schedule, you may wonder how a lady of 65 years manages
such a schedule. Never asking anything, just giving.
Before this, there is a 2 month tour in Europe, after this there
is Australia and India.
The Guru does all the work, disciples enjoy. Such a Guru is very
rare.
Johan.
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