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| 969.1 | Odd man out | DNEAST::CHRISTENSENL | | Fri Jan 27 1989 12:51 | 5 |
| The Fool and the Madman never stop talking. Only the Fool can be
believed.
L.
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| 969.2 | There seem to be lots of idiot savants in this world | WRO8A::WARDFR | Going HOME--as an Adventurer | Fri Jan 27 1989 12:54 | 17 |
| re: .0
Brian, give me a hint. Does it have anything to do
with cults? Are they in a barber shop? Does the room
have plants in it? Is the room a place of reverence?
Is there any food in the room? Is it a bathroom (same as
a place of reverence, perhaps)? Can you tell by their
feet/shoes (same as bathroom/place of reverence)? Is any
of them making any sounds (same as feet, et al)? Am
I whistling as I enter the room? Am I in a wheelchair or
on crutches as I enter?
I'm sorry, insufficient data for a response...
Frederick
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| 969.3 | | RAINBO::HARDY | | Fri Jan 27 1989 13:24 | 5 |
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Ask each one. The Sufi is the one who is lying.
Pat
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| 969.4 | How does each approach reality? | CADSYS::COOPER | Topher Cooper | Fri Jan 27 1989 14:21 | 11 |
| Ask each "What is 2+2?".
The fool won't know, though he might say that perhaps it is 5.
The madman would know for sure that it is 5.
The Sufi will tell you a seemingly irrelevant story (the story will be,
in fact, irrelevant, but the mental effort you will make convincing
yourself of its irrelevance will be very worthwhile).
Topher
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| 969.5 | Hee hee! | CGVAX2::PAINTER | Wage Peace | Fri Jan 27 1989 15:12 | 10 |
| Re.-1
Topher,
That was PERFECT! (;^) I just figured something out as a result
of your answer. Thank you.
True elegance is simplicity.
Cindy
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| 969.6 | whats the problem? | USACSB::OPERATOR_CB | 20-20 Chaos | Sat Jan 28 1989 07:32 | 7 |
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RE: .0 Shoot two of the people in the room...and TELL the remaining
one he is a Sufi.
The other two are dead.
Craig
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| 969.7 | say wha'? | WAV12::CHAPLAIN | | Sat Jan 28 1989 14:45 | 3 |
| Ignorant as hell and proud of it! What the hell is a Sufi?
- Yeh, ME
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| 969.8 | | MOSAIC::HARDY | | Sun Jan 29 1989 18:18 | 6 |
| Re .7
See? Told ya so!
Pat
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| 969.9 | The Sufis | AYOV18::BCOOK | Zaman, makan, ikhwan | Mon Jan 30 1989 07:57 | 10 |
| Re.7
There was a discussion a while back on Sufis and Sufism but it decayed
regretably. If anyone's interested I'll start a new note in which
we could share our knowledge in a constructive manner. I'm no expert
but I'm willing to take a stab at explaining their view of the world.
Anyone interested?
Brian
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| 969.10 | I thought it was raw fish. | USWAV1::CHAPLAIN | | Mon Jan 30 1989 08:02 | 3 |
| re .9
Go ahead. Make my day.
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| 969.11 | difficult question..... | IJSAPL::ELSENAAR | Fractal of the universe | Mon Jan 30 1989 08:37 | 12 |
| RE -2 (Brian)
> -< The Sufis >-
> (...)
> Anyone interested?
How can I say I am not interested until I have found out what you wanted me to
tell about Sufi?
And how do I know that you are not telling lies, then?
Arie (;-)
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| 969.12 | A Long Sufi Story | CIMNET::PIERSON | Milwaukee Road Track Inspector | Mon Jan 30 1989 19:31 | 34 |
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I have no idea if the following story is "correct", or "valid"
in its presentation of a Sufi. It was presented as valid, and I
would like to know if it is. I, too, would be interested in some
more about Sufi.
thanks
dave pierson
A Sufi owned a magnificent horse. One night it ran off, and the
next day the villagers came to express their sympathy:
"OH! What a terrible thing, to lose so fine a horse"
they said.
"Perhaps, perhaps", said the Sufi, "It is early yet..."
The following day, the horse returned, accompanied by TEN other
horses. The villagers gathered to congratulate the Sufi:
"OH, how wonderful", the villagers said, "Such fine horses"
"Perhaps, perhaps", said the Sufi, "It is early yet..."
On the _next_ day, the Sufi's eldest son was trying to ride the
wildest of the new horses. He was thrown, and his leg broken.
As word spread, the villagers came again, to express their sympathy:
"How terrible this is, such a fine son, and his leg broken."
"Perhaps, perhaps", said the Sufi, "It is early yet..."
On the _next_ day, the king's men came, for he was at war, and took
all the able bodied young men for the army....
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| 969.13 | Truth and Validity? | DNEAST::CHRISTENSENL | | Tue Jan 31 1989 08:21 | 17 |
| The story may be true and it is typical of Sufi teaching
storys having many levels or layers of thought. One element
of the story illustrates the difference in the Sufi mind and
the Villager's mind.
Other points might be:
was the Sufi psychic?
did the Sufi take the missing horse as a Divine sign?
did the Sufi plot this whole scenario to save his son from the draft?
was the horse the Real Sufi in this story?
At another level of understanding the story illustrates the principal of
Right Action, it illustrates the folly of foutune and mis-fortune (luck),
and it illustrates the difference between reaction and response.
L.
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| 969.14 | no 'moral' here | AYOV18::BCOOK | Zaman, makan, ikhwan | Tue Jan 31 1989 08:56 | 7 |
| Yes, it's a fairly typical Sufi teaching story. However, where normal
parables etc have a 'moral' to be extracted, Sufi stories are important
only in the effect that they have on the reader. Does it change
you/ make you more aware? Who did you like in the story and why?
Who didn't you like in the story and why? etc etc
Brian
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| 969.15 | I think it might work this way... | JOUST::YERAZUNIS | This is _intense_! | Tue Jan 31 1989 22:57 | 19 |
| Back to the original question:
Watch the three interact...
The madmen are sure of everything and so state;
The fools are sure of nothing and so state;
The sufi are sure that the goings-on are interesting.
-----or-----
Ask each of them to point to the sufis:
The mandman will point to someone;
the fool will point to someone;
the sufi will point at you.
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| 969.16 | Good one! | AYOV18::BCOOK | Zaman, makan, ikhwan | Wed Feb 01 1989 03:29 | 5 |
| Re. .15
I like it. Thanks.
Brian
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| 969.17 | | GENRAL::DANIEL | | Mon Feb 06 1989 17:32 | 4 |
| ...and here I thought Sufi was the raw fish that we ate at the Yakitori
Restaurant on Saturday nights.
If your mouth is full of rice, it's Sufi...
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| 969.18 | | TANIS::HARDY | | Thu Aug 03 1989 18:50 | 12 |
| A man passed away, and his soul found itself approaching the Gates
of Paradise. Suddenly, his way was barred by an angel of light.
"Prove thy worth," the angel said, "else thou shall not enter into Paradise."
"Now just a minute," the man responded. "How do I know that this is not
really just some kind of hallucination, a delirium of my dying mind?"
The Angel was about to reply, but a loud voice boomed from beyond
the Gates of Paradise. "Open the door! He's one of us!"
- Sufi fable, recounted in Robert Anton Wilson's COSMIC TRIGGER
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| 969.19 | sometimes I think I'm waking up | FREEBE::TURNER | | Wed Aug 15 1990 10:27 | 7 |
| there actually was a sufi tradition where they acted as madmen.In
another tradition they deliberately acted in such ways as to bring
the hatred of society upon them. Many sufi tradition are just dead
forms, no longer suited to modern conditions. Soooo perhaps all three
are sufis. Or none of them. Are you awake enough to tell?
John Turner
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