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Title:Psychic Phenomena
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Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
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912.0. "The Characteristics of Enlightenment" by ATLAST::LACKEY (There's no place like OM.) Fri Nov 11 1988 10:13

re. 8.98 (Great idea Carla... How about a new topic?)

The following is a quote from Chuang-Tzu.  Jeff :-)

     The man in whom Tao acts without impediment
     Harms no other being by his actions
     Yet he does not know himself to be "kind", to be "gentle."
     
     The man in whom Tao acts without impediment
     Does not bother with his own interests
     And does not despise others who do.
     
     He does not struggle to make money
     And does not make a virtue of poverty.
     He goes his own way without relying on others
     And does not pride himself on walking alone.
     While he does not follow the crowd
     He won't complain of those who do.
     
     Rank and reward make no appeal to him;
     Disgrace and shame do not deter him.
     He is not always looking for right and wrong
     Always deciding "Yes" or "No."
     The ancients said, therefore:
          "The man of Tao remains unknown
          Perfect virtue produces nothing
          'No-Self' is the 'True Self.'
          And the greatest man is nobody."


     Chuang-Tzu
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912.1DECWET::MITCHELLThe Cosmic AnchovyMon Nov 14 1988 18:484
    Sounds like a rather boring state to be in.
    
    
    John M.
912.2A point of view from a different toppingCSC32::KACHELMYERDave KachelmyerFri Nov 18 1988 19:2511
    Re .1
    
    Must have seen .0 from completely different viewpoints.  I liked it so
    much that I've posted it on the wall!
    
    Sounded to me like a person who accomplishes what he incarnated to do
    while the universe or higher self ensures he gets the resources he
    needs. The kind of guy who doesn't get his bowels in an uproar over what
    the rest of the incarnates are doing.  :-)
    
    Dave K.
912.3Bravo!BSS::BLAZEKDancing with My SelfSat Nov 19 1988 00:444
    	Dave, as always you have a wonderful way with words!  =8-)
    
    						   Carla
    
912.4just a thought...GLASS::WETHERINGTONTheir town, my town, MotownSat Nov 19 1988 17:5212
    .1
    
    >sounds like a rather boring state to be in.
    
    Yes, from our current perspective and limited perception of All,
    it might sound that way. "Heaven", "Nirvana"...a boring place, or a
    place who's possibilities and parameters are so different from the way 
    we usually think from day to day, that our priorities themselves might 
    change or evolve based on new data and new information, new levels of
    comprehension which might make for a whole different set of ground rules...
                        
    Doug
912.5Boring? ... Perhaps more intense activity.ATLAST::LACKEYPaths are many, Truth is one.Mon Nov 21 1988 09:245
    In addition to (.2) and (.4), we might also find that we have *more*
    to do than ever before, because for the first time we would *know*
    what to do.
    
    Jeff
912.6AgreedMOSAIC::R_BROWNWe're from Brone III... Mon Nov 21 1988 12:5832
   I am in accord with .2, .4, and .5.

   The "enlightened" state is certainly NOT boring, because:

   a: the enlightened person's true purpose becomes clear and all 
      activities afterward are "in line" with that purpose. Because this 
      universe has so many different aspects, one's true purpose can be
      anything from sitting and meditating on the glory of The One to being
      a good software engineer to raising someone who eventually becomes a 
      world leader to actually becoming a world leader. Life goes on, even 
      after enlightenment.

   b: A great deal of tension is removed from the individual who moves 
      beyond the need for money or power for its own sake. Any such things 
      sought by the enlightened person are sought for the sole purpose of
      accomplishing that person's purpose. When one becomes free of the
      desire for outside "objects" of happiness, one learns to enjoy life 
      more and to experience joy in their entire being, as opposed to 
      experiencing temporary satisfaction only in their senses or egos.

   c: An enlightened person's perception of his/her life and the universe 
      is heightened. Realizations and revelations are common. These do not
      end with enlightenment, but in fact they only begin. To become 
      enlightened is to accomplish much, but enlightenment is still only 
      one step in an ongoing growth process. A big step, granted, but a 
      step nonetheless.

   I could name more reasons why enlightenment is anything but boring, but 
I think the reasons I've mentioned above should suffice.

                                                       -Robert Brown III
912.7FYASCOPE::PAINTERAstral Travel ServiceMon Nov 21 1988 15:3083
    
    The connection between software engineering and The One - it's here
    somewhere.  This is extracted from the Buddhism Conference.
    
    ===================================================================
    
    New Book: The Tao of Programming            

    Some exerpts:                                       
                          
    ================================================
    
    The Tao gave birth to machine language.
    Machine language gave birth to the assembler.
    The assembler gave birth to the compiler.
    Now there are ten thousand languages.
    
    Each language has its purpose, however humble.
    Each language expresses the yin and yang of software.
    Each language has its place within the Tao.
     
    But do not program in Cobol if you can avoid it.
    
    ================================================
    
    A manager went to the master programmer and showed him the requirements
    document for a new application. The manager asked the master: "How
    long will it take to design this system if I assign five programmers
    to it?"
    
    "It will take one year," said the master promptly.
    
    "But we need this system immediately or even sooner. How long will
    it take if I assign ten programmers to it?"
    
    The master programmer frowned. "In that case, it will take two years."
     
    "And what if I assign 100 programmers to it?"
    
    The master programmer shrugged. "Then the design will never be
    completed," he said.
    
    ================================================
    
    A novice asked the master: "I have a program that sometimes runs
    and sometimes aborts. I have followed the rules of programming,
    yet I am totally baffled. What is the reason for this?"
    
    The master replied: "You are confused because you do not understand
    Tao. Only a fool expects rational behavior from his fellow humans.
    Why do you expect it from a machine that humans have constructed?
    Computers simulate determinism; only Tao is perfect. The rules of
    programming are transitory; only Tao is eternal. Therefore you must
    contemplate Tao before you receive enlightenment."
    
    "But how will I know when I have received enlightenment?" asked
    the novice.
    
    "Your program will then run correctly," replied the master.
    
    ================================================
    
    A master was explaining the nature of the Tao to one of his novices.
    "The Tao is embodied in all software -- regardless of how
    insignificant," said the master.
    
    "Is the Tao in a hand-held calculator?" asked the novice.
    
    "It is," came the reply.
     
    "Is the Tao in a video game?" continued the novice.
    
    "It is even in a video game," said the master.
    
    "And is the Tao in the DOS for a personal computer?"
    
    The master coughed and shifted his position slightly. "The lesson
    is over for today," he said.
    
    ================================================
    
    The Tao of Programming
                                                               
912.8Some thoughts about "enlightenment"ORION::HERBERTLovely to see you again my friendSun Dec 04 1988 16:4231
    I think, for many of us, understanding a "totally" enlightened
    state, is like a primeval man trying to understand a star in 
    the sky.  There's so much we (many of us) can't know, because
    of where we are now.  Yet, it seems that we are often so
    preoccupied with figuring it out, that we neglect to see and
    understand what is in front of us (which may be the real
    starting point of our paths to understanding).
    
    The thing that bothers me about striving for the currently
    popular views of enlightenment, is that people often cling to 
    the enlightenment path they've chosen, with such furosity, that 
    they forget the human side of things.  They become frustrated 
    over "unenlightened" people and the world...and often seem to 
    think that their goal lies elsewhere.  I don't think this is 
    enlightenment...I think it's self-deception.
    
    What's wrong with being Human?  Perhaps it's a really wonderful 
    state to be in, but we don't see it, because we're all so 
    unenlightened! ;^)  Perhaps we could find great pleasure by
    expanding on this human state, perfecting and understanding it; 
    not trying to escape or transcend it.
    
    It also seems to me that "enlightenment" has many different 
    states.  You may be more enlightened now than you were a year 
    ago.  In another year, you may be more enlightened still.  
    Being enlightened may simply be the act of lightening up.  
    Therefore, there would be no state to reach or strive for...but 
    instead, a constant effort to stay lightened up -- right where
    you are.
    
    Jerri