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| 906.1 | self serving and unbalanced hex. | USACSB::OPERATOR_CB | DO WHAT THOU WILT | Mon Nov 07 1988 08:16 | 25 |
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Hello Kim!
Personally I am not familiar with what she is doing but would
like to throw in two cents worth of observation.
This person seems to be rather emotionally messed up and in
such a state I doubt she would be able to concentrate enough to
manifest anything of form. (something that works) I would be
more concerned about what this chick will do when this "spell"
doesn't work. Will she try something on the physical plane?
As far as throwing the stuff in the yard, I dont know.
I can see the point of not wanting it around but somehow, for me
anyway, knowing exactly where something is relieves any feeling
that it is sneeking up on me. I would gather the objects and place
them in a bible (or object of power/purity/goodness in your belief
structure).
Be supportive of your sister and reasure her that nothing can
mess up her and Jim and there love for one another......Their Love
is stronger and has a better foundation than anyones magic/spell.
What more of a defense could she ask for!
Best of luck!
Craig
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| 906.2 | | WILLEE::FRETTS | Noting with my Higher Self | Mon Nov 07 1988 08:24 | 17 |
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Kim,
First, let me just say that I understand your worry and concern
for your sister - I would feel the same way if someone I loved
was being threatened in this manner. Second, from what I have
been learning and exposed to over the past few years regarding
Wicca, this type of behavior does not fit. There are others in
this conference that know much more than I do about the Wiccan
Religion and I am sure they will have some things to add here,
but I believe that one of the Wiccan principals is against doing
other people harm. She may say she is a witch and that she
follows the Wiccan way, but I doubt that very much. She sounds
more like a misguided person who is misusing power.
Carole
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| 906.3 | Believe on the Lord Jesus | USRCV1::JEFFERSONL | HOLY GHOST POWER!!! | Mon Nov 07 1988 09:58 | 16 |
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Don't under estimate the power of darkness! Almost nothing can
harm her, if she just don't believe. Once she start fearing, and
believing, then, your opening a way for her powers to work.
BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND BE SAVED!
Jesus was saying to peter: "Up on this rock I will build my church
and the very gates of hell shall not prevail". See God loves you,
and your sister; and HE wants to be the one to fight all your spiritual
battles: as a matter of FACT, the battle is ALREADY fought (When
he died on calvery); and the VICTORY is ALREADY won!! The price
is paid; all you have to do is BELIEVE.
LORENZO
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| 906.4 | ounces of prevention ... | MARKER::KALLIS | Anger's no replacement for reason | Mon Nov 07 1988 10:33 | 42 |
| Re .0 (Kim):
> ... In the mailbox was a black pouch with a pentagram drawn on
>the outside. Inside were 2 little buttons. The buttons look like
>little flowers with blue middles. She had given him one of these
>but not the same ones that were in the bag. Also in the bag was
>a dime that had his bithyear on it. Then there was a piece of silver
>that no one knows exactly what it was.
A witch? That's hard to say. The action doesn't sound very Wiccan,
though. There's a lack of hard facts here; can you describe, or
get a description on, whatever that object looked like? It might
help trying to determine the significance of it all. A Wiccan,
FWIW, has as part of the creed "... and harm towards none"; thast's
part of my skepticism.
> ... hopefully there are noters that are familiar enough with this
>to be able to tell me if this is a feeble attempt at something or
>if there is a way to counteract or send it back. ...
Little enough to go on, here. However, from my perspective, if
there's anything to it, neutralizing it would be okay; "sending
it back" i n my opinion would be, if the intent was evil, just
redirecting dark forces. If it can be ascertained that the charm
is indeed malefecent, then it could be carefully destroyed to be
neutralized.
Re .3 (Lorenzo):
> Don't under estimate the power of darkness! Almost nothing can
>harm her, if she just don't believe. Once she start fearing, and
>believing, then, your opening a way for her powers to work.
No one should ever underestimate the powers of darkness, my brother.
Destructiion of the pouch (should it be found), though, might lessen
the compulsion this person who made it might feel. One might not
be able to reach this self-styled witch any direct way, and the
action could possibly dissipate some of her negative energies.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 906.5 | | LEZAH::BOBBITT | lunatic fringe | Mon Nov 07 1988 10:45 | 10 |
| You say she said that something would "follow" his fiancee 24 hours
a day? Sounds like a fetch or something. Anyone have a clue how
to get rid of/dispell it?
-Jody
p.s. It's really fascinating to note the rise in the number of
witchcraft/demonology/negative-occult books on the shelves of most
bookstores in the past few weeks...
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| 906.8 | | NEXUS::MORGAN | Snazzy Personal Name Upon Request | Mon Nov 07 1988 14:45 | 24 |
| As we all know by now one can be a witch and not be Wiccan. Wiccan
being more North American/North European God/dess based Craft and
Religion.
Who knows what system of ethics will drive a self appointed witch.
And emotionalism changes everything so that all bets are off.
My advice is to find the items as well as possible and bury them so
that each item is touching clean earth, possibly near a body of
running water. A creek will do.
Dig a hole some 2 feet deep sufficiently wide enough to scatter
all the items so they don't touch another item. Scatter the items
while visualizing the gray energies being absorbed by the clean
earth. Cover the items without malice still visualizing the energies
being absorbed. Ground your hands into the earth for a couple minutes
visualizing any left over energies being absorbed into the clean
earth.
Go home. Whenever a worry arises about the energy working visualize
gray dirty energy being filtered by the earth around the items buried.
Don't worry. Be happy.
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| 906.9 | | NEXUS::MORGAN | Snazzy Personal Name Upon Request | Mon Nov 07 1988 14:52 | 12 |
| Another working that is perhaps more appropriate is to take all the
found items and put them in a bag with small holes in it. A small
cotten tobacco bag will do if you can get one large enough. Try to use
natural biodegradable fibers for the bag if possible.
Take the bag with contents to a nearby river. Find a river stone large
enough to weigh down the bag. Put the stone in the bag and throw
the bag into the middle of the river. Visualize the energies being
cleaned by the river's water. Wash your hands in the river's water
for a couple minutes. Go home.
Don't worry. Be happy.
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| 906.10 | Not to worry. | SPIDER::PARE | What a long, strange trip its been | Tue Nov 08 1988 15:27 | 13 |
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And you could burn them first, outside in the fresh air, and reflect the
smoke back in your sister's mirror. Then bury them, letting Gaia absorb
them back into the whole.
Intend her no harm, she brings enough upon herself.
Know that all is one, that all emotion and energy, action and intent, comes
from a single source. You too are of that source. Any power that is, is for
you as well. She is pathetic, she is weak, she feeds the ego at the expense of
the spirit. Pity her. She is no threat to anyone but herself.
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| 906.11 | | DENVER::WILSONP | IN SEARCH OF THE ELUSIVE NOTE | Tue Nov 08 1988 15:35 | 11 |
| My two cents worth.
Just remember that this act cannot hurt your sister or her boyfriend
unless they really believe it can. As long as they believe that
they are more powerful, this person's magick (if there is any to
begin with) will have no effect. Also Mikie's idea about disposing
of the bag is a good one.
Blessed be,
Pat
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| 906.12 | Sounds like a physical threat to me. | PEOVAX::HIBBERT | Clever Thought Provoking Phrase | Tue Nov 08 1988 21:32 | 12 |
| I wouldn't worry about the bag so much as I would worry about
the crazy lady. If it makes you or your sister feel better, follow
the rituals to neuturalize the bag, but do something to protect
her physically. Much of the power of witches, voodoo men, ect, is
in what the victim believes will happen rather than any outside
force.
Brian
P.S.
I am a sceptic until someone can actually prove things to me.
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| 906.13 | Don't worry, end magic. | BTO::BEST_G | A Lerxst in Wonderland | Thu Nov 10 1988 07:46 | 13 |
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Perhaps you should find out what was said that her boyfriend can't
remember. Maybe he is too embarrassed to say what it was. Maybe
he can't admit it even to himself - otherwise it sounds like some
kind of hypnosis which may or may not really be harmful. Like if
she suggested that he would have a car accident it might actually
increase the chances. But if he can become aware of what was said
it would probably lose some power over him. Outside of that I wouldn't
worry about any of the magic stuff - I believe that the worrying
is the only thing that will give this magic any real power.
Guy
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| 906.15 | Thank you, Brian. | STRATA::RUDMAN | The Posthumous Noter | Mon Nov 28 1988 14:58 | 23 |
| That *is* a long weekend!
Actually, the burial bit is good *if* you ensure the "witch" knows
you buried it. But don't bury the dime. It and 55 more cents
will buy you a can of coke at Tobin's.
On second thought, go find someone she knows who is purported
to be more "powerful", have her put her whammy on it, and send
it to the "witch". Let her worry awhile.
On a more serious note, it appears a threat has been made. Being
followed around is harassment. Maybe a statement to the police
is in order (if it will make you all feel better).
Oh, heck; forget the above and do what makes you feel best and then
forget it. Walking around worrying about it is probably what
your witch had in mind.
Being a Compulsive Helper isn't what its cracked up to be. No pun
intended.
Don
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