Conference hydra::dejavu

    Re .0 (Cheryl):
    
    First, you might want to check note 154, "An Icy Grave for Atlantis,"
    which discusses aspects of it in some detail.  I was tempted to
    move this note there, but since you hit on something else ...
    
    >Ok.....yesterday I took an atlas of the world and cut out the coast
    >of Africa and lined it up to the coast of South America.  I had
    >heard that it would line up and so it did.  Is this just coincendental
    >or is that more than possible that there two continents may have
    >been one?
     
    This is part of what's called the theory of "continental drift,"
    which fairly recently got a boost through a relatively new discipline,
    plate tectonics.  The basic idea is that the continents as we know
    them ate drifting apart; reversing that, there was, implicationally,
    a time when they were all a single land mass.  That land mass was
    given a name, Gondwanaland.
    
    Now this is _not_ the same as the Atlantis legend.  First, the split
    took place millions of years ago, certainly before there were any
    hominids, much less humans.  Second, the Atlantis legend _as it's
    currently evolved_ presupposes a "continent" somewhere in the Atlantic
    Ocean that housed a supertech civilization and it sank suddenly,
    killing most of its inhabitants.  The actual legend derives from
    two Platonic dialogues, which ...  but that's what Note 154's all
    about.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.                                        

    
    
    re: .1
    
    Thanx Steve, I had hope you wouldn't move this to #154.  That seemed
    to cover the history of the theories of Atlantis.
    
    Interestingly enough, thru a trance reading (a channelled entity)
    I was to have been incarnated onto a place called (and this is
    phonetic): Mu-ra-Mu - a portion of Atlantis that still existed after
    the shift.  Somewhere near/on Africa.  
    
    I'm not asking anyone to verify the Channel's reading, but am asking
    if anyone can give any input, possibly thru their own experiences
    as to what this could be, i.e. similar experiences (???) and if
    anyone has ever heard of a "crystal bell"....
    
    
    Cheryl
    
    p.s.  this is so much easier (To ask questions) than to sit in a
    library...

    A crystal bell is an oscillator.
    
    Welcome.
    
    Pat
    

    Re .2 (Cheryl):
    
    >I was to have been incarnated onto a place called (and this is
    >phonetic): Mu-ra-Mu - a portion of Atlantis that still existed after
    >the shift.
     
    Now for a further point of literary interest.  A rival "sunken
    continent" hypothesis was put forward.  There was supposed to be
    a place called "Lemuria," which was generally put in the Pacific
    Ocean.  In some accounts, it predated Atlantis, and the survivors
    of Lemuria migrated to Atlantis. [I guess some people never learn,
    for all their ultratecherie. ;-)]  Lemuria was usually shortened
    to "Mu."  "Mu-ra-Mu' sounds like a mixture of Mu mythos with a tyouch
    of Egyptian legend (Ra [generally, but not exclusively, pronounced
    with a long A] was one of the chief Egyptian deities -- a sun god).
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    It's been awhile since I've done reading/research on Atlantis, but
    this is what I remember - "off the top of my head":

    It is my understanding that Atlantis used some sort of
    nuclear-generators that used huge crystals in some way to generate all 
    of their energy.  So... maybe the "crystal bell" was a name/type of one
    of these generators....
    
    I had heard that Atlantis actually underwent 3 different disasters
    over a span of many thousands of years, and that it was the last
    disaster that "blew it to pieces".  Before the last disaster occurred,
    a lot of the inhabitants had moved to the Egypt-area and the
    Mexico-area.  The people that had eventually caused the last disaster
    are known as the "Sons of Belial" and it is said that these people
    are now incarnate on this planet today, many of which are in high
    political and powerful places....  (Scary thought!!...)...
     
    Linda

    Steve!
    
    You have given me the "willies"!!  It so appears (and I say this
    according to the reading) that I had Egyptian followers.  How ironic
    that it is beginning to roll into itself.  Possibly a circle is
    being completed.
          
    Cheryl

    re: .5
    
    Gee Linda, I sure ain't in no powerful nor political arena....yet!!
    
    HA!
    
    Seriously....that is an interesting concept.  With the few books
    I have read pertaining to the possible existance of Atlantis as
    well as Soul experiences that have been written about (not necessarily
    documented...how could they be), Atlantis seems to be a theme of
    sorts relative.  It would certainly give one a very, very old soul.
    
    More????
    
    Cheryl

RE: .4 (Steve)
    
    The existence of Lemuria was originally proposed as a strictly
    scientific theory to explain the distribution of related species,
    living and fossil, in, I think, Madagascar and Sri Lanka (then
    Ceylon).  The similarity between the organisms at the two separated
    regions, with no connecting species in the otherwise plausible
    migration path of Africa and Asia, suggested the existence of a
    large land mass of which the two islands would be the last remaining
    outposts.  The name came from the major group of animals used to
    justify the connection: Lemurs (a group of primates more "primitive"
    than monkeys).
    
    The existence of such land bridges can now be shown to be very unlikely
    given the very different character of the rocks which make up sea
    floor and continent, while the distribution of lemurs and other
    life forms can be very well explained -- even predicted -- on the
    basis of plate tectonics.  The two pieces of land were not "connected"
    by a significant body of now sunken land, but were, rather, adjacent
    in the same way as Africa and South America were.
    
    By the way, the "fit" between Africa and South America is even better
    if you use the boundaries of the continental shelf rather than the
    current shore lines.
    
    						Topher

       re: Steve
     
            Last night I listened to a Lazaris tape I had never listened
    to before (it was actually the oldest available at one time...it
    was recorded on Easter Sunday, 1979.)  In it he mentions (as I think
    he subsequently mentioned, but I had "forgotten") the existence
    of a land mass preceding even Lemuria...he called it Lemania (I
    think.)  He has not talked about it, to my knowledge, other than
    just mentioning it.  He has talked extensively about Lemuria, however,
    and I believe I've entered notes on that elsewhere.  From him,
    moreover, he has made it relatively clear that Lemurians did not
    settle in Atlantis or anywhere else...they were too evolved for
    that.  In fact, they were so evolved that they simply evolved 
    beyond density...i.e., they ceased to be physical, and took their
    continental land mass with them.  What they DID do, however, was
    plant crystals around the planet, which Atlantians later uncovered
    and used.  Only the Atlantians abused them and used them in harmful,
    manipulative ways.  The final civilization of Atlantis involved
    nuclear energy, according to Lazaris...it was a megapolis, a city
    that stretched more than 600 miles, as dense as any large city
    now existing.  Finally, of course, they self-destructed.
         There may be things missing, but I believe that is part of
    the way in which Lazaris has described it.
    
    
    Frederick
    

    Not only do South America and Africa fit, but if you look at the
    types of rock layered over each other on the supposedly-joined
    coastline, you find that they (and the embedded fossil types) match
    as well.
    
    In other words, the two continents look like a multiflavor torte
    that's been torn in two.
    
    	-Bill

    I thought that, while Lemuria was supposed to be in the Indian Ocean,
    the continent of Mu was supposed to be in the Pacific.  As I recall, a
    fellow named Churchward claimed that its existence was recorded in the
    ancient inscriptions of the lost civilizations of South America.
    
    Earl Wajenberg

         Just thought I'd "chirp" in on a few books that go a little
    more in detail about most everything that has been mentioned.  If
    I remember correctly, "The World Before" by Ruth Montgomery gives
    quite a detailed account of the Atlantis/Lemuria/Mu legend.  Also,
    there was a small but interesting book written from the Cayce material
    on atlantis.  I think it was written by Hugh Lynn Cayce.  I'm unsure
    of the name.  Hope this helps!!! 
    
                                                     Scott

    
    RE:  ALL
    
    If there is more to discuss, please feel free.
    
    I simply can't get over how warm and supporting you folks can be.
    I have also discovered and added a few new words to my vocabulary
    within the last month.  And I appreciate all of your views both
    on and off-line.
    
    Cheryl