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869.1 | "Isis" indeed! | MARKER::KALLIS | Anger's no replacement for reason | Thu Sep 22 1988 08:33 | 24 |
| Isis or this Maryellen person?
Isis was one of the chief deities of the ancient Egyptian pantheon.
She was wife to Osiris (her actual Khemite name was Ast, as hin
was Asar). He was, according to legend, chief ruler of the gods
until he was killed by Set, his brother (and god of evil). Using
a Word of Power that she obtained from Re (the sun god), Isis
resurrected Osiris. He was killed a second time by Set, and went
to preside over the Egyptian land of the dead (afterlife), Tuat.
By Osiris, Isis had a child, Horus (Heru) [known in the child-form
as Harpokrates by the Greeks], who contested Set's claim to the
throne of the Egyptian gods. There was a long and acrimonoius debate
on the matter, including a couple of supernatural duels, but finally,
with Thoth (Dzhuti) as judge, Horus gained rulership. There is
an epic poem, _The Sorrows of Isis_, that recounts her travail as
she searches for the dismembered corpse of her husband, Osiris.
A group of entities from the Pleiades calling themselves "Isis"
are doubtless playing fast and loose with an ancient religion, as
filtered through the Greek writers.
I wouldn't take them seriously.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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869.2 | Cosmic mouthwash | WRO8A::WARDFR | Going HOME--as an Adventurer | Thu Sep 22 1988 11:14 | 10 |
| re: .1
"I wouldn't take them seriously." SK, Jr.
Come on now, Steve, you wouldn't take *any* channeled entity
seriously, now would you?! This is a Cerius question, Pleides
answer it!
Frederick
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869.3 | | FSLENG::JOLLIMORE | For the greatest good... | Thu Sep 22 1988 11:35 | 6 |
| .2 (Frederick)
Come on now, Frederick, how could Steve (or anyone else) *not* take
seriously a gargling spatula, channeling a 3000 year old entity. 8'P
Jay
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869.4 | (come on....answer the question) | SONATA::OGILVIE | The EYES have it! | Thu Sep 22 1988 13:28 | 9 |
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Seriously folks.....I, too, would like more information on the base
note. If anyone has it, please respond!!
Cheryl
p.s. I would also be very interested in any "channel_ers" in the
Massachusetts area, besides Elwood. Thanx
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869.5 | ... you mean like teleScope? | MARKER::KALLIS | Anger's no replacement for reason | Thu Sep 22 1988 14:24 | 23 |
| Re .2 (Fredrick):
> "I wouldn't take them seriously." SK, Jr.
To amplify. If a number of entities from this planet (not to mention
from a loose multiple star system) _collectively_ called themselves
the Greek interpretation of the name of a Khemite goddess, then
I would suspect they were not telling a straight story. If "they"
also were supposedly channeling "themselves" through a single person
(presumably all speaking in unison), "their" credibility drops even
further.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
P.S.:
>... Come on now, Steve, you wouldn't take *any* channeled entity
>seriously, now would you?!
If I could be sure it really _was_ a channeled entity, I might "take
it seriously"; whether I swallowed what it said without verification
would be an entirely different matter, though.
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869.6 | | WILLEE::FRETTS | Love our Mother Earth | Thu Sep 22 1988 14:55 | 44 |
| Re .5 Steve,
>Re .2 (Fredrick):
>
>> "I wouldn't take them seriously." SK, Jr.
>
>To amplify. If a number of entities from this planet (not to mention
>from a loose multiple star system) _collectively_ called themselves
>the Greek interpretation of the name of a Khemite goddess, then
>I would suspect they were not telling a straight story. If "they"
>also were supposedly channeling "themselves" through a single person
>(presumably all speaking in unison), "their" credibility drops even
>further.
>
>Steve Kallis, Jr.
>
>P.S.:
> >... Come on now, Steve, you wouldn't take *any* channeled entity
> >seriously, now would you?!
>
>If I could be sure it really _was_ a channeled entity, I might "take
>it seriously"; whether I swallowed what it said without verification
>would be an entirely different matter, though.
Aren't we jumping to some conclusions here? The base note asked
for people who had information about this woman to please share
it. Just because they use the name "Isis", doesn't mean they are
referring to the Isis we all know and love :-). It's a free
universe - they can use any name they want. As far as a group
of entities channeling through one medium, this is not an uncommon
statement to make. Very often, if the information is coming from
the "higher" planes of existence, you will find a blending of
"like minds", so to speak, passing the information on to us.
And, as one last point, we don't even know what their message is
yet, so how can we be throwing it away already? My advice is -
keep an open mind (and yes, keep your brains in :-b) and question
what is said - keep what makes sense and feels right and discard
the rest.
Carole
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869.7 | Have they nothing better to do??? | ATLAST::LACKEY | Make haste slowly. | Thu Sep 22 1988 22:24 | 38 |
| In esoteric circles, the Pleides are commonly considered to be *very*
advanced. To put this statement in context... If you are familiar with
the idea of planetary and solar Logoi, the Entity/God/Consciousness
(whatever you want to call it as long as you capitalize the first
letter :-)...) which is responsible for, and has as its incarnation,
the planet or system, then the Pleides is considered to be closely
connected to our solar system (Solar Logos), but not so closely with
our planet (Planetary Logos), much less individuals therein.
...Now, that puts it into context in a manner which is consistent with
many who discuss such things...
If that were the case, and this lady really is channeling them, then why
don't they have something better to do? If they are not likely to make
contact with the Planetary Logos, then what would make us so lacking in
humility as to think that They would contact individuals therein?
In my mind it is ridiculous to think that her claim is accurate, which
does not mean that her intentions are not good. I've never heard of
her so I don't know. I've seen people channel and be very clear and
accurate about who they were channeling. I've seen people channel and
think that they were channeling someone other than was the case (there
is a tendency to want to channel extremely highly evolved beings). I've
seen people channel clearly and seemingly accurately who were completely
unaware of what happened due to the nature of the trance. I've also
seen people claim to channel, but all they were doing was trying to give
credibility to what they wanted to say.
The important thing is how valuable the information is to the individual
hearing it. If it is considered valuable and helpful, then it doesn't
really matter from whence it came. If it does not seem to be valuable,
then there is no need to pursue it further. There is a strong tendency
for both the channeler and the audience to get caught up in the glamour
of "name dropping". If this glamour is released, then all that remains
is information which may or may not be valuable, depending on the
perception of the individual.
Jeff
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869.8 | more Info on base note | STRATA::GARSENAULT | | Thu Sep 22 1988 22:32 | 22 |
| When I entered the base note, I was looking to see if anybody had
any personal experience with the channeler, or knew someone who
did, since she was from this area.(She now lives in Colorado)
The ariticle I read was from a person who had an session with
Isis and wrote and ariticle about it. She said that the channeler
seemed like a very normal down to earth person (much to her surprise)
She told her she would meditate for about 10 min. then Isis would
speak. When Isis did speak it was a booming voice with and unfamilar
accent. She said it was pretty startling. She was greeted with "WE
ARE ISIS, WE GREET YOU WITH GODS LIGHT AND LOVE". What was said
was interesting. She didn't get to detailed about what Isis said
because it was personal to her. She did say that it did hit home
her and made some very positive changes in her life.
I'm courious, because if she is for real I'd be interested in seeing
her myself.
As for the name Isis, I don't believe It means anything more than
their name. There was no reference to anything more than that.
Also wasn't Seth also a group of entities. I've have also heard
that this wasn't uncommon.
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869.9 | | PSI::CONNELLY | Desperately seeking snoozin' | Thu Sep 22 1988 23:38 | 14 |
| re: .8
> Also wasn't Seth also a group of entities. I've have also heard
> that this wasn't uncommon.
"I am legion, for we are many" ??
Maybe we're developing a new "Hero With a Thousand Faces" type -- one
that, rather than journeying to the other world and returning with the
talisman of wisdom, starts out there and stays there (dispensing its
wisdom all the while).
I thought someone said that the journey was more important than the
destination though...
paul
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869.10 | | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Fri Sep 23 1988 10:34 | 19 |
| Re: .7
Wish I'd said that!
Re: .9
Interesting way to look at evolving spiritual for the Age of Aquarius.
Liz Greene's book, _Relating_, has a chapter on the astrological
ages. She makes the point that the energy of the age becomes, in
one way or another, the spiritual ethos for that Great Month in
the Great Year. Aquarius energy relates to unity in diversity,
the power of the collective, and a kind of higher knowledge (the
traditional keyword for the sign is: I Know). I have speculated
that the increasing interest in channelled information is one
manifestation (of many ;-) ) of the search for way to express the
emerging spiritual drive of the upcoming Great Month.
Marcia
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869.11 | Where in Colorado? | NEXUS::ENTLER | the Wizard | Fri Sep 23 1988 12:22 | 3 |
| Where in Colorado was see supposed to have moved to?
Dan
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869.12 | | NEXUS::MORGAN | Experiencing the Age of Xochipilli. | Sat Sep 24 1988 16:06 | 26 |
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> To amplify. If a number of entities from this planet (not to mention
> from a loose multiple star system) _collectively_ called themselves
> the Greek interpretation of the name of a Khemite goddess, then
> I would suspect they were not telling a straight story. If "they"
> also were supposedly channeling "themselves" through a single person
> (presumably all speaking in unison), "their" credibility drops even
> further.
I gotta' agree with Steve on this. Sounds like some psychic backwash
(not in the negative sense, but in the sense of an psycho-social enegry
backwash) in a particular individuals psyche.
Personally I think that all channeled material is filtered through the
reality labryinths of the channeler first before it gets translated
into humanly spoken words. With all due respect to our current
channelers I tend to stay away from channeled material (even though the
Seth Material unprogrammed years ago). And who knows, maybe Goddess
will slap me in the face tomorrow with an undenyable experience with
channels or channeled material. B^) (Cain't never tell about life,
it being tricky and all that.)
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869.13 | | NEXUS::MORGAN | Experiencing the Age of Xochipilli. | Sat Sep 24 1988 16:23 | 23 |
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> When Isis did speak it was a booming voice with and unfamilar accent.
> She said it was pretty startling. She was greeted with "WE ARE ISIS, WE
> GREET YOU WITH GODS LIGHT AND LOVE".
The mixture of two so very different theo/alogical systems makes
me suspicious. I smell a "psychic marketing" ploy
> Also wasn't Seth also a group of entities. I've have also heard
> that this wasn't uncommon.
Seth was a single entity and presented itself as such. It was in Jane's
later books (esp. "Psychic Politics") that she speculated that Seth was
a combination of *different*aspects* of her psyche. In this particular
case Seth was a portion or seperate partition of Jane Roberts'
consciousness, not communicators from other planets. Even Seth II
seemed to be a trans-time portion of her consciousness.
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869.14 | | WILLEE::FRETTS | Love our Mother Earth | Sun Sep 25 1988 13:32 | 8 |
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RE: .12, .13 Mikie
I agree - no medium is a perfectly clear channel. They are always
involved to some extent in the communication.
C.
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869.15 | re.11 | SCOMAN::GARSENAULT | | Tue Sep 27 1988 22:55 | 6 |
| RE. 11
She's in Steamboat Springs colorado. She heads a group called the
Explorers, which is involved in learning how to open to your
Higher Self and your intuitive abilities, channeling being one
result.
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869.16 | 1st hand info Re>.0 .8 | SELENA::HIGGINS | Heybaby | Fri Oct 27 1989 16:56 | 15 |
| I went to see her when she was visiting her brother this summer
and found it to be very interesting! She no longer spoke in a booming
voice (the "show" as she referred to) because she has progressed.
She is for real. I went to see her without my logical/analytical
mind set so that I could get as much as possible out of the session.
What I am finding out though is that we all have the tools that
we need for personal growth and sometimes feel that we need some-
one elses input for direction. I think that if you want to know
things like - will I get a new car?.....how long will I live......
etc.....etc.....that you are wasting your time AND her time. My
opinion - take it or leave it! I felt that it was worth it to talk
with her (them?). 8^)
Mark
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