Conference hydra::dejavu

I think it ended quite a while ago and people are just now starting to notice.
Actually, there are some religious groups who believe that 9/11-9/13 mark
the second coming of Christ.  Maybe this is tied to what you heard.  Their
has been some discussion of this in the Christian notes conference at 
IOSG::CHRISTIAN.

		Dave

    I'm not qualified to speak about any astrological basis to the
    prediction, so I won't.
    
    Since you give no details of why the "people at NASA" (who?
    scientists?  astronomers?  botonists?  administrators? janitors?)
    are making the prediction it is difficult for me to say much
    on that count either.
    
    All I can say is that there has been nothing in the scientific
    press in the last weeks and months that gives any hint of anything
    that suddenly and precisely disasterous.  No big comets or
    asteroids.  No super-extreme/unusual seismic activity.  Nothing.
    
    Closest I can think of is some unusually large sunspots -- but
    not anywhere close to being of unheard of size or number.  We are
    on the upswing towards the Solar Maximum, and it promises to be
    an especially active one so big sunspots are to be expected.  The
    Earth has presumably survived several million of these maxima.
    
    Isn't it the least bit suspicious that this presumably cosmic
    event should occur at such an arbitrary but convenient time as
    sunset at the place determined by politics to be the international
    site from which time is counted?  Its like someone measuring the
    distance between two mountain peaks accurately to inches and coming
    out with an exact number of miles -- it could happen but its more
    likely that the figures were fudged or invented.
    
    All in all, I consider this thousands of times less likely than
    the Nostradamus-interpretation prediction of the destruction of
    California earlier this year, and I gave it no credence at all.
    Your personal universe is much, much more likely to end today
    by you being bit by a rattlesnake while crossing a city street
    than that the Earth will end today for everyone.  Unless you
    worry alot about the former possibility, I wouldn't put any
    worry into the latter either.
    
    If anyone has more facts about the basis for the prediction I'll
    be glad to comment on them if I am able.
    
    					Topher

    As we know it!
    

    re: .0
    
         I believe the information is correct.  Yes, it is true.
    For thousands and thousands of people all over the world, today
    will be the end of the world.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    
    I agree with Dave.  This prediction, I believe, is coming from
    the religious community, not the astrological community.
    
    Carole

    
    >>     I believe the information is correct.  Yes, it is true.
    >>For thousands and thousands of people all over the world, today
    >>will be the end of the world.
    
    Oh NO!!!...I'm suppose to get my hair "trimmed" tonight by a new
    hairdresser that I've never been to before...  Should I postpone
    it??!!??  (Of course, if she screws up my hair, I will become a
    hermit until my hair grows back, so this could be right.... either
    that or a snip to the juggler vein....  Well, let's think positive
    thoughts here.... I affirm and decree that my hair will come out
    perfect!!!!)
    
    Linda
    
    

    
    
    	RE: Topher
    
    	I'm not worried about it.....just curious as to what
    	others thought.
    
    	And I'm not sure "who" at NASA said all this.  I'm
    	just going on what was told to me.
    
    	The sun'll come out tomorrow.....
    
    	JJ
    
    
    	

				Ooooh..noooo!                       
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    Geeez, if the world ends today I'll be pretty upset...after all,
    I haven't a thing to wear.  All joking aside....which world are
    these astrologers referring to?  For all we know there could be
    hundreds of "worlds" very similar to ours....with people who look
    just like we do...and maybe they are reading a notesfile just like
    this one....and, and, and maybe they called it DEJAVU!   And maybe
    it is their world that is going to end...not ours!  
    
    Naaaah!
    
    Ssssorrry about that...I guess I'm just a little bit nervous because
    I have less than 2 hours before it all ends!   
    
    

    
    Here is something I wrote which should convey my feelings...
    ( Read into it anything you will )
    
      Its my Life, After all
      ----------------------
    
    As I stand here watching you,
    My eyes begin to tear,
    I think of all the loneliness
    I've felt for all these years
    
    Life is like a love song,
    A beginning and an end,
    Hey mister music man,
    Can you play that one again
    
    I've moved so many times,
    In hopes to get ahead,
    When my dreams become reality,
    I'll finally rest my head
    
    Life is like a sailboat,
    Sailing cross the sea,
    To some far destination,
    Unknown to you and me
    
    I almost threw it all away,
    I felt there was no worth,
    I stopped to smell the roses,
    And touched a little earth
    
    Life is like a sunset,
    Floating cross the sky,
    If you don't stop to watch it,
    It just passes by
    
    It felt a little funny,
    At least it did back then,
    I finally saw the answer,
    I saw it in my friends.
    
    by: David Jodoin

    Well, it's raining here in Mass. so I guess we're all set.
    

    SOME HOW I JUST WISH I'D READ THIS TOMORROW...HAVE A NICE...WELL
    DAY.

    WELL...if you want MY opinion.......(even if you dont), here it
    is:
    
    I saw some (brain dead) man on T.V. one night on the news, I can't
    recall the guys name or anything, but they had film clips of some
    big speech with HUNDREDS of people there - the guy was talking about
    the end of the world thing in September (this was in August) and
    how there was only a few weeks of life "as we know it" left...on
    & on...
    
    They were selling tapes & reading material in the lobby and people
    were just eatting it up - buying stuff left and right.  The whole
    thing made me absolutly sick to my stomach!  How people like this
    can be allowed as much publicity as they get I just don't know.
    "Free speech" or not - I can't stand it.  They should be locked
    up.  Can you imagine how many poor simple-minded people out there
    who are easily "brainwashed" with this crap - who may have actually
    SOLD all their belongings - or spent their savings - or worse yet
    - ended their life - all because they actually believed this turd-head?
    
    **This is simply MY opinion, thanks for letting me voice it here.
     I'm sorry if I have offended anyone with it.  This was not my
    intention.**
    
    Mrs. T

    RE: .0 NASA
    
    	Close but no banana!  
    
    	The only tie to NASA is the calcualtions made by a NASA rocket
    engineer Edgar C. Whisenant, who used mathemetical calcualtions
    and biblical interpretations to pinpoint the event to the 48 hours
    of this year's Jewish New Year -- 40 years and 120 days after Israel
    became a nation on May 14, 1948.
    	The "Rapture" is expected to strike by tonight, according to
    the book "88 Reasons Why The Rapture Will be in 1988", written by
    this same NASA engineer.
    	
    	I caught some religious program several weeks ago and they were
    discussing this very book and its relationship to the Bible.  They
    were discussing different opinions and actually said that they believe
    it was off by a year.  So Party Hardy!   You've got another year
    before the "Rapture".
    
    A STRONG POINT:
    
    	Actually, with all these calcualtions, etc. performed by a NASA
    engineer on a computer, we all know that a computer's only as good
    as it's makers/ programmers.  And we all know that none of these
    would ever make a mistake!
    
    Dan

    
    Re.12
    
    	Free speach is our most important right as human beings.  It
    is your right to express your opinion, and I support you on that.
    
    	My opinion is that if someone chooses to believe and follow
    that person, he is charting his own course in life.  If he chooses
    to follow someone blindly, then he deserves what he gets.  If someone
    even goes so far as to end his life because of the situation, I
    would not feel any sorrow for the person.  Nature will follow her
    own course, regardless of what we attempt to do.  We have become
    a nation that coddles its weak.  But even with all our efforts,
    nature continues to purge itself.  If someone dies through stupidity,
    nature is in effect purging bad genes from the gene pool.
    
    	I love life just as much as anyone else.  I feel anguish as
    much as anyone else when a life ends. Whether it was close to me
    or not.  But by denying free speech, we are in effect attempting
    to take over for nature.  People have a will of there own.
    
    	The strong survive, and I have no qualms with that.
    
    David Jodoin
    

     Well, I'm still here.

I'm not sure I agree with everything you said... but to continue the 
line of thougth...

Responsibility goes with knowledge, not with ignorance.  If the ignorant 
suffer at the hand of the knowledgeable, it is not the fault of the 
ignorant.  The knowledgeable, though, are creating large waves of karma 
if they are *knowingly* deceiving.   If, however, they are speaking 
these things out of ignorance, then the waves are really small and the 
only thing that has happened is that the rest of the world has been able 
to observe the blind leading the blind.

Then again... the day isn't over yet... :-)

Jeff

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    Darn, and I thought I was going to get the afternoon off!
    
    DJ
    

re .17

Well Jay, it must have been the end of selected cubicles. I'm still
buyin' if you're ready!!  ;-)

Ted

    
    
    	IS EVERYONE STILL HERE?
    

      I'm wondering if this time (3:00) was EST or EDT???
    
                      Rick

    
    Re.16
    
    	I don't agree.  We are not talking about responsibilities at
    all.  We are talking the laws of nature.  The strong survive, whether
    the strong that survive are right in what they do or not.  I am
    not here to judge someone elses actions, only my own.  The person
    who acts against the weak is just as sure that what they are doing
    is right as someone who act for them.  They may be ingorant by your
    standards, but in their reality you could be the one to be viewed
    as ignorant.
    
    	A Canadian citizen is an alien in our country, but we are an
    alien in theirs.  There is no right or wrong, only what we concieve
    them to be.  There is no such thing as "normal", abnormalty is
    determined by those not in the "norm".
    
    David J.
    
    

    I'm still here (in Colorado) but I thought maybe it's
    because of the time difference.  How long does it take
    for a Rapture to get from England to Colorado?  Does
    it get jet lag?  In that case we'd be in for a pretty
    weak Rapture. (;^)
    
    As an aside, I once stayed in a hotel which had this
    weird check-out sign on the back of the door saying:
    YOUR DAY ENDS AT NOON.  Wonder what the hotel management
    would have done if someone took it seriously.
    
    Nanci

    
    How about a Post_Rapture_That_Never_Happened party?
    
    Hail, hail, the gang's all here.
    
    Are you?  er...hello...um...oh dear...gulp!
    
    Cindy

    Well, the world didn't stop today, but my watch did!
    
    - Lesley
    

    Reply to .0,
    
    It ain't gonna' happen. But it is a hell of a great excuse to have
    a party...

    Reply to .24, Cindy,
    
    You are safe. NORAD's radar screens are still clear.. No people
    woshing around in the sky today.

    Good news it's morning on the day after and I'm still here,
    but so is my boss. Oh well life goes on (I hope).
    
    Jeff 

    Looks like the Rapture had all of the impact of the "Harmonic
    Convergence."
    
    
    John M.

    John,  Bravo!

< Note 856.29 by DECWET::MITCHELL "The Cosmic Anchovy" >

>    Looks like the Rapture had all of the impact of the "Harmonic
>    Convergence."

You mean millions of people gathered together all over the world to greet the 
dawn?  Wow, I'm impressed!

		Dave

    re: last three
     
         John and Bruce must have a very narrow view of what constitutes
    positive thinking, in my opinion.  This "Rapture" had nothing but
    negative, fear components...we would all be dying and the end of
    the world would be at hand.  Only those who believed in whatever
    the fear-mongers said we should believe in would be "saved."
    I submit that though perhaps there were a few of these types who
    jumped on the Harmonic Convergence bandwagon, for the most part,
    those with cooler heads predicted new and positive beginnings...
    the coming of a New Age...ON EARTH.  To compare the two events is
    simply illogical, except from the standpoint of no end to the
    planet Earth (from those who "predicted" that.)
    
    Frederick
    

    Re .32
    
    Oh, I don't know.  I think there's a good deal of comparison to
    be made between the latest Rapture scare and the Harmonic Convergence.
    Both were predictions of the end of an age and the beginning of
    a new one.  Both were based on shoddy methods.  Both got the horse-
    laugh, not only from complete disbelievers outside their respective
    communities, but also from a lot of "insiders."  (Not ALL New Agers
    or occultists or psychical researchers thought the Convergence was
    plausible.  You can look in IOSG::CHRISTIAN and see how little most
    of the conservative Christian noters thought of the Rapture scare.)
    
    Now, when the Harmonies failed to Converge, we began hearing a lot
    about slow, gradual, unseen and untestable changes that "really"
    started on the given date despite the lack of evidence.  I wonder
    if a tiny new denomination will show up claiming something apocalyptic
    happened in the last few days, but we just failed to notice.
    
    Earl Wajenberg

RE .31 (Dave)

>You mean millions of people gathered together all over the world to greet the 
>dawn?  Wow, I'm impressed!

Suppose everybody is standing up at the exact moment of sunrise. Will be a
magnificent wave going around the earth in 24 hours....

Arie

RE .34 (Arie)

I don't know about everyone else, but I don't think I've ever stood up at
the exact moment of sunrise.  I have enough trouble with standing up an
hour or so later. :-)

		Dave

         I still think that people who buy in to "doom and gloom"
    of whatever kind are simply selling out on a positive potential
    that has no or little chance to manifest in that millieu.  Whether
    that's from initiators of the terms "Harmonic Convergence" or
    "Rapture" or "soothsayers" or others who have "prophetic qualities."
    I believe that we control our own reality and therefore do not
    have to submit to the realities phrophesized by others...and I leave
    a lot of holes here without offering proper substantiation.
    But for all of those people who want a positive, happy, fun and
    loving present/future, I say "shame" for allowing those who have
    twisted concepts of reality to overcome their own optimisms.  I
    may very well fall into some volcanic chasm after which all of you
    can sit around and say "tsk, tsk, he was wrong, and we were right"
    but I will do my damnedest to have as much fun and to reach for
    positive and brightly lit futures as I can possibly achieve.  To
    hell with all those who wish to piss on me and my happiness!
    (or wherever it is I can send them ;-)  )
    
    Frederick
    

Yo John M., 

Rod heard yesterday that DECWEST is closing.  I guess the world really never 
will be the same...

Someone said the sun would come out today.  I'm waiting...it's been foggy and 
wet here; this is day three.  BRRRR!

    re: < Note 856.32 by WRO8A::WARDFR "Going HOME--as an Adventurer" >
     
�         John and Bruce must have a very narrow view of what constitutes
�    positive thinking, in my opinion.  This "Rapture" had nothing but

           
    Frederick must have no sense of humor.
    
    	bruce


    

    Well, the definition of The Rapture that I heard was that "all
    righteous people will be called to Heaven"
    
    ..so those of us that are still here....well....
    
    Dawn
    

    re .39
    
    Does anybody know of anyone who's missing?  Since only
    144,000 were supposed to be "called" we may never know.
    
    Nanci

    
    John M. and Bruce, too:
    
    I *knew* someone was going to write about the HC.  Glad you didn't
    let me down!
    
    (;^)
                           
    What if They gave a Rapture but nobody came?   (straight line here)
    
    I'll go back to sleep now.        zzzzzzzzzzzzz
    
    Cindy
                                                                       

    Well, the guy at the paint place is missing--each store I call says
    he's at the other one...
    
    						Don

    I just finished reading this note.  I didn't hear anything about this
    until after it was supposed to have happened.  Sorry I missed all the 
    fun ;-).  About comparing this to harmonic convergence.  There is
    quite a big difference.  The 'rapture' was an event, something that was
    supposed to have happened at a given moment.  Harmonic convergence
    was supposed to be an awakening kind of thing for those who were
    'tuned in' or whatever.  Some talked about physical happenings,
    ie gloom & doom, but the actual stuff the convergence was made
    of involved a beginning of a period of time, not an event in a
    physical sense, the results of which won't be known for a number of
    years to come - just changes along the way, making it a hard thing
    to measure or validate.

    Terry

    ... you get behind in reading DEJAVU for about a week and you not 
        only miss the end of the world but the Rapture as well.  I 
        really have to start paying closer attention.

        Terry

    Rapture!!!  88 reasons for rapture in 1988!
    
    I bet the only guy that disappears is the one who wrote the book!
    
    He'll be in hiding with all his money!
    

    You know its trully quite incredible to think that we are all
    supposed to be gone and its allready october.... well I am still
    here.... at least I thought I was....WOW what a thought I just had........