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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
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Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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839.0. "What is a 'Shaman'" by FRAGLE::MACDUFFIE () Tue Aug 23 1988 18:22

    
    
    Hi!
    
    Can anyone provide some information regarding Shaman's?
   
    From what I gather, my guess is that they are Indian medicine
    men who do healings. Sorry I can't provide any more background
    info but I just  overheard the term and am curious?
    
    Thanks
    -David.
    
    
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839.1for startersPSI::CONNELLYDesperately seeking snoozin'Wed Aug 24 1988 02:1015
"Shaman" is generally a term used to describe practitioners of a
magical-religious tradition in so-called primitive societies.  I
believe that many of the classic descriptions are of Siberian (not
Indian) medicine men.  The term has also been used to describe
medicine men or women of the Pacific islands, of Indochina, and
of South America.

A shaman is both a healer (of physical and spiritual maladies)
and a seer (of events distant in space or time).  Drugs are very
often an integral part of shamanism (medicinal or hallucinogenic
plants).

Good references would be books by Mircea Eliade or (more recently)
by Michael Harner.  Hope that helps some.
							paul
839.2USAT05::KASPERYou'll see it when you believe it.Wed Aug 24 1988 09:409
The simplest definition I've come across is an individual who uses
altered states of consciousness to obtain esoteric knowledge.

Lot's of books about it.  Rudolph Stiener has a book called _Knowledge 
of the Higher Worlds and It's Atainment_ that discusses it.  Lynn Andrews 
has a few that discuss this topic from a female prespective (_Jaguar Woman_
in particular).

Terry
839.3A little loose?FLOWER::JASNIEWSKIWed Aug 24 1988 12:5912
    
    	re .2 -
    
    	Gee, by that definition, *I* could be considered one :') But
    actually, I'm not. A shaman's life style characterized by extreme
    levels of self depravation - s/he might go on a vision quest and not
    eat for 5 weeks for example - something which I would not consider
    doing. They get into serious stuff, to attain "altered states".
    I'm sure there's many other aspects of shamanism besides being a
    "envisioner of things to come"...
    
    	Joe Jas
839.4mr. whipple like them SHRFAC::ADAMSMWed Aug 24 1988 13:564
    
    Not sure but "don't squeeze it" 
    
                                   ...sorry, couldn't resist
839.5shamans...ULTRA::LARUWhat's wrong with unbridled joy?Thu Aug 25 1988 13:2068
from IF YOU MEET THE BUDDHA ON THE ROAD, KILL HIM! by Sheldon B Kopp
Bantam Books 1972.    copied without permission.


The earliest form in which the guru appeared was that of the shaman, who
arose in the hunting and gathering societies of the paleolithic era (and among
their contemporary Eskimo and Indian progeny). Before the advent of God and His
priests in the more stable agricultrual societies of the neolithic era, the
shaman acted as spiritual leader to the nomadic, Stone_Age hunting band.

Such a guru starts out on his own tortured pilgirmage as a deeply
troubled,misfit youth. In amstering his personal affliction, he gradually
comes to the position of being able to help others on their spiritual trips.
Unlike the later priests who were ceremonially trained in ritual acts and
verbatim incantations, the shaman has been inspired by the visions that arise
during his oown pilgrimage. The power of his growing self-awareness and the
spontaneity of his improvisations fit the hunters' needs for daring and
imagination (just as the priests' ritual intonements and predetermined
social proscriptions fit the planters' needs for stability, achieved by the
sacrifice of the individual to the greater good of the group).

The source of the shaman's moving inner vison is a journey deep into the self.
Usually in a trance-like state, he experiences the struggle within his own soul
as an encounter with the spirit world. In the religion, myths, and literature
of every culture, the personal motives and conflicts that men would disown are
represented by gods and ghosts, by spirits and visions. A young Exkimo neophyte
shaman tells of his own transformation experience while out on the pilgrimage
of a lonely wilderness vigil:

  I soon became mealncholy. I would sometimes fall to weeping and feeling
  unhappy without knowing why. Then for no reason all would suddenly be
  changed, and I felt a great, inexplicable joy, a joy so powerful that I
  could not restrain it, but had to break into song, a mighty song, with
  room for only one word: joy, joy!  And I had to use the full strngth oof
  my voice. And then in the midst of such a fit of mysterious and
  overwhelming delight, I became a shaman, not knowing myself how it came
  about. But I was a shaman. I could see and hear in a totally different
  way, I had gained my enlightenment, the shaman's light of brain and
  body, and this in such a manner that it was not only I who could see
  through the darkness of life, but the same bright light also shone out
  from me, imperceptible to human beings but visible to all spirits of
  earth and sky and sea, and these now came to me to become my helping
  spirits.

After his pilgrimage, the shaman them returns to the community of his tribe,
"reborn" by way of his self-healing process. Now he is able to liberate the
ordianry hunters of the band by revealing to each of them his own personally
enlightening inner vision.

The shaman can also bring spiritual calm and confidence to a troubled tribe by
helping them to work out the merited misfortunes that have befallen them.
He will usually go into a trance at such times, his helping spirits speaking
through his mouth in those poetically cryptic ways in which spirits (and gurus)
speak. They ask the troubled ones what is causing the unhappiness. The power of
the shaman's personal experience leads the troubled person to acknowledge that
his thoughts have been bad, and his actions evil. The helping spirits of the
shaman then make veiled references that evoke the whole story.

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This purging brings peace to the tribe through constructive human interaction
mediated by the inspiring power of the shaman's confidence in his own inner
vision, and by the metaphorical evocation of the troubled seeker's own tale.


    
839.6CADSE::FRANKalias CADSE::HONESTFri Sep 02 1988 14:194
    also, read note 50.
    
    - Lesley
    
839.7FRAGLE::MACDUFFIEFri Sep 02 1988 15:0115
    
    
    Thanks for the replies.
    
    I just spent some time in the Pacific Northwest and have found
    this area to contain a relatively large Shaman following. From
    what little I have been exposed to, my impression is that a
    transformation of man to animal takes place during a Shaman
    ceremony. 
    
    Is this true? Do the actually believe that they physically
    transform or is a spiritual thing?
    
    Thanks,
    -David  
839.8Animal Guides and ShamanismNEXUS::K_KINNEYFri Sep 02 1988 21:0416
    
    	It is my understanding that rather than a man to animal
    	transformation, the shaman(ess) has at least one or
    	more 'familiar's in the otherworld. They are usually
    	in animal form such as a bear, panther, some sort of
    	bird. They function to guide and protect the shaman
    	during the journey he or she must make while in the
    	altered state. It has also been implied in some of the
    	reading I have done that this animal is more of an alter
    	ego of the healer.  It even performs functions such as
    	assisting the healer in finding the problem and resolving
    	it.  The neophyte shaman must find an animal guide and
    	be certain of it before undertaking too many serious
    	trips into the altered state. A shaman can have more
    	than one and sometimes they (the guides) must leave,
    	so to have more than one is a good thing.
839.9no titleCRUISE::CFEUERSTEINWhy is there air?Fri Oct 12 1990 00:0783
    Yes, the last reply to this topic has been 2 years ago, however
    I met him about 5 years ago. So, it's fairly fitting.
    
    Richard Shining Thunder is his name. Thinking about all the occurances
    that have happened, well, it makes you wonder.
    
    Anyway, to begin, my wife and I had just moved to Mass. She is from the
    area, I'm from Philly. We had found an apartment in Bridgewater. We had
    been married, oh, say 5 years. We were just beginning to wonder why
    we had no children. Well, we were trying to meet people in the complex
    by doing the meeting thing that the management put together. You know,
    parties, hayrides, things. Well, one night, we went to a halloween
    party. That's where we met Mary and Steve. They're from Ohio, you see.
    Everyone at the party wore costumes and masks, or had their face
    decorated. Steve came up to me and said "I know you.". That's how it
    all started. At the time, Di and I were kind of floating around,
    spiritually speaking. By that, I mean, we knew we didn't like or
    believe in traditional religion. But Mary and Steve opened the doors
    to love, peace, past lives, tarot cards, auras, vibrations and our
    minds and hearts. Well, Mary, Steve, Di and I developed a good
    solid relationship.
    
    Mary and Steve arranged for a shaman they had heard of in Ohio
    to come out here and speak. I was amazed. He was blind. Yet he
    walked like he could see. He spoke of love and energy transfers.
    And the teflon mind. He spoke of healing and peace. Of cyrstals
    and their powers. He spoke of the good and bad in everyone's life.
    But to concentrate on the good. After the gettogether, we went
    back to Mary and Steve's house (they had subsequently bought a
    house in Rhode Island) along with Richard and his wife. He met
    with Di and I seperately and alone. My wife had discussed our
    concerns of having children. Even though he is blind, he did
    a tarot card reading on both of us. I discussed my problem,
    you see by then I was five years impotent.
    
    Well, we said our goodbyes. We gradually lost contact with Mary and
    Steve. Then, about a month ago, four years from last seeing Mary
    and Steve, I am sitting at this same terminal. The one I'm typing
    in now, at home. At about 10:00 p.m. at night, I get this feeling
    in my mind that I must contact Steve. It was so strong  that I had to
    dial off and wash the kitchen to try to get rid of it. Only it was
    persistent. Finally, I called the number we had. It was disconnected.
    Still, the thought was there. Then I made a deal with it. I said, look,
    I'll write a letter to the address. If they've moved, then maybe it'll
    be forwarded. OK, I SAW in my mind. Needless to say, 10 days later,
    I receive a letter from Mary. They had moved back to Ohio.
    
    (I must explain something here. My impotence was still with me. I was
    seeing a psychologist. Actually, a psychiatrist in NY, a licensed
    social worker in Arington and a psychiatrist in Worcester. My
    motor cordination was getting not good. Made worse by fevers.
    In fact, in January, I had the flu and a fever of 104+. I was
    literally on the floor and could not get to a couch, even with help.
    My wife called the doctor and subsquently arranged an appointment
    with a nuerologist.)
    
    Then, a few days later(after receiving the letter), I saw a nuerologist.
    He diagnosed me as having MS. I had an MRI the following week. Saw
    the doctor yesterday and he confirmed the diagnosis.
    
    Believe it or not, what a relief! All the symptons I was having over
    the years, answered. My wife and I choked up. All these years, after
    delving into my childhood, how my mother did this and that, how this
    thought relates back when I can remember, etc. It was ALL related
    to the MS. My wife finally believes me now when I tell her she's
    beautiful and I love her. She finally has something to explain it.
    Not some mysterious mind thing. 
    
    Anyway, I called Mary and told her. She said, I should call Richard
    and talk to him. She gave me his number. He had moved also. He
    had opened a haloustic center in Kentucky. Anyway, I just got
    off the phone with him. He remembered us and what he said to us.
    Gee, I'm impressed. He said he's going to do a special ceramony
    for me, but he needed my permission. He's going to enter my
    subconsisious and draw upon my energies and help me focus them.
    He said he'll also meet me in my dream state.
    
    I gave him that permission. I hope I see him in my dreams.
    
    By the way, he mentioned he'll be in the area soon.
    
    love
    
839.10IJSAPL::ELSENAARFractal of the universeFri Oct 12 1990 04:5412
Craig,

your story touched me deeply.

Finally found the physical source of your continuous discomforts; yes I can
believe that this relieves you. I sincerely hope this understanding brings
as much good in your life as is needed.

I have the strong impression that this shaman can mean a lot for you.

Arie
839.11Re.9CGVAX2::PAINTERAnd on Earth, peace...Fri Oct 12 1990 13:454
         
    Thanks for writing that, Craig.  It touched me too.
    
    Cindy