Conference hydra::dejavu

    It would seem to be from some fundamentalist Christian who believes
    in the immenance of the Day Of Salvation ("S. Day").  (S)he is
    extolling his/her interpretation of the benefits accruing after
    that day to those who have accepted The Word (or rather, the writer's
    interpretation, of course) before that time.  Much of this type
    of "literature" involves interpretation of post-armegeddan prophecy
    in contemporary American terms (listen to the Armstrong people,
    for example, with their talk of Elijah being the Secretary of State
    in the Wonderful World Tomorrow).
    
    This is the "Carrot" part of this phenomena -- be Saved and live
    in luxery in heaven or here if you survive to "S. Day".  The stick
    is, of course, Hell and eternal damnation if you don't knuckle under
    before you die or "S. Day" whichever comes first.
    
    I suppose I am less offended by being bribed than being threatened.
    
    					Topher

    
    
    I don't know about it being fundamentalist christian, Topher. They
    are usually a lot more direct than this, and there was only an allusion
    toward one apocolyptic scripture. Besides, it wasn't even in a
    Fundamentalist publication. Country Journal is just what it's title
    implies a journal containing articles on the joy of living in the
    country.
                                                                     
      Any idea what "time arks" are ? Or "five_dimensional" weaponry ?
     
    Is this just a strangely worded con to get some poor sap's $ ?
    
    Gil        
    

Must be a New Age Fundamentalist  nyuck nycuk

.2 Gil

I can't translate it. "Time arks" sound like fun. "Five-dimensional"
weaponary doesn't.

>   Is this just a strangely worded con to get some poor sap's $ ?

I'd bet on that possibility.

Jay

>   Is this just a strangely worded con to get some poor sap's $ ?

That is how I see it.

          George D.

    Re .0 (Gil):
    
    Yes, this is a little -- different.  Let's try to analyze:
    
    >	SAVE   YOUR   LIVES   COM-           ["completely"?]
    >	PLETELY!    Have the ultimate,
    >	pollution-free country  life on      ["country life"?]
    >	earth. Positive Birthright way of 
    >	Life, through surviving DUE activa-
    >	tion of Sixth Seal on S. Day,        ["sixth seal" _could_ also
    >	according to CREATOR'S Uni-          [be from the _Clavicle
    >    versal Law, includes: debt-free     [Solomonis_; that's a seal
    >	self-sufficiency with unlimited      [of Venus, though.]
    >	non-polluting ENERGY on your 
    >	own hide of Land, family owner-	     ["hide of land"?]
    >	ship of friction-free, monadic-
    >	gravity vehicules (Time Arks),       ["monadic gravity vehicules"
    >	which sail in air and water for      [would be "one-footed"
    >	work/recreation, rations of perfect  [gravity "vehucles": this
    >	food-MANNA,   Ultimate Five- 	     [is technological blather.]
    >	Dimensional protective weaponry;
    >	exclusive  SURVIVAL  GUIDANCE        ["MANNA" implies something
    >	via  Total  Knowledge  from          [Biblical; 5-D weaponry
    >	Creator's  original MEASURES         [sounds psychedelic.]
    >	- supercedes all other sources.
    >	Offer ends S. Day. Must qualify in   ["... original MEASURES"
    >	person.  ARMAGEDDON  TIME            [sounds like pyramidology]
    >	ARK  BASE, 1500  North Texas,
    >	Weslaco, Texas.
                                             
    So - it sounds like an oblique scheme to present an off-the-wall
    sect that borrows from many sources, including Judea-Christianity.
    Its very convoluted and obscure wording might well attract the curious.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Almost sounds like a UFO'ers type of singles note to me..... :+)
    

    
    	I think they are giving away UFOs.    The drive used by the
    UFO is "monadic gravity", whatever that is.   On board weapons
    are available.  ("Set phasers on stun, Mr Spock!")   Canned 
    "Manna" is used for spaceship food.
    
    	The "hide of land" is a little obscure though.   Perhaps it
    is like a rug you can role up and take along?  Kind of a portable
    farm...

	"Total Knowledge" sounds useful.  

			    	Alan.

    This is an archaic term.  A Greek hero was once promised as much
    land as could be encompassed by the hide of a bull.  He carefully
    cut the hide into one very long thin strip (a spiral shape), and
    claimed a generous portion of land.
    
    The more common measure is the amount of land you can plow around
    in a day.
    
    							Ann B.

    Re .7 (alan):
    
       >"Total Knowledge" sounds useful.  
        
    But after you've achieved it, wouldn't you get bored? :-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    I stand by my interpretation as the most probable.  I have seen
    a lot of very similar (in style) stuff.  People tend to associate
    fundamentalists with the large organizations now associated with
    "broadcast ministries".  Both traditionally and currently many
    fundamentalists are ideosyncratic individualists with their own,
    frequently rather weird, interpretation of scripture within the
    broad outlines of apocalyptic fundamentalism.  In other words,
    this is in the same tradition as Dr. Brauner and Gardner Ted
    Armstrong (though he became "mainstream" through his radio broadcasts).
    
    This particular individual seems to have relied heavily on "Sci
    Fi" (I use the term which many consider derogatory deliberately)
    of the 50's and early 60's (i.e., pre-New Wave) for inspiration
    as to what the post-apocalyptic era holds for the true believers.
    
    					Topher

    "And I saw the Lamb break open the sixth seal. There was a violent
    earthquake, and the sun became black, like coarse black cloth,
    and the moon turned completely red, like blood; the stars fell
    out of the sky to earth, like unripe figs falling from the tree
    when a strong wind shakes it. The sky disappeared, like a scroll
    being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from
    it's place. Then the kings of the earth, the rulers and the military
    chiefs, the rich and the mighty, and all other men, slave and free,
    hid themselves in caves and under rocks on the mountains.
    They called out to the mountains and the rocks:"fall down on us
    and hide us from the eyes of the one who sits on the throne, and
    from the wrath of the Lamb!" For the great day of their wrath is
    here, and who can stand against it?"
    (From the book of Revelation, chapter 6, Verse 12, New Testament,
                                             King James Version)
    Are there any Deccies out in the North Texas area, who may have
    heard of a group calling themselves Ark Base? It sure sounds like
    Topher has it right-another bunch of well meaning but misguided
    fundamentalist Christians, who forgot to put their hats on, when
    they went out in the noonday sun. Maybe these groups are branching
    out from the supermarket tabloids- Country Journal is a pretty
    reputable publication.

The literary (?) style almost sounds like Rabbi Heilbronner (he
of the marvelous Peppermint Castile Soap, with its thousand word
tracts pasted around the bottle).  Has anybody read his soap
containers lately--are any of these his new buzzwords?
							pmc

	The advertisement sounds more than a little like what would
    be put in by someone affiliated in some way with the Stelle Group.
    This group considers itself to be part of the "hidden brotherhoods"
    that have been around for ?????? Anyway, They have a community in
    Indiana or Illinois named Stelle where they have been preparing
    for twenty years or more for the coming (maybe) pole shift. They
    are engaged in research to develop orbiting platforms that will
    maintain a shallow orbit of a month or so to wait out the worst
    effects of the shift. These people are deadly serious and are putting
    a lot of time, effort, and money into their project.
    	I read a book by the founder of the group within the last year.
    I don't remember his name, but I think the book was called "The
    Brotherhoods". Why I think there may be some connection is that
    in this book the author told of how he was directed to leave the
    organization he founded, and to go to Texas and start up another
    group that would involve itself with projects allied with what the
    original group in the mid-west was doing.
    	The group was mentioned in "5/5/2000-The Ultimate Disaster,
    Fire and Ice", forget the author's name. This is a book about the
    shift which credits the Stelle Group with high marks for actually
    doing something about the impending end of civilization as we know
    it. 
    						Peace,
    							Reilly  

    re:.9
    
    That's where the 5-D weponry comes in.
                      
    
    Actually, I wanted to comment on "protective" weaponry.  Protection
    from whom?  Since only the God-fearing survived S Day, who is the
    enemy?  Devils?  (Come to think of it, I may have answered my own
    question re:-ing .9.)
    
    Great ad, 'tho.
    
    Since we seem to have missed the latest catastrophe, it's good to
    have a new date to look forward to.  Coincidentally, May 5, 2000
    would be my 25th anniversary with DEC (assuming continuity, of course).
    Heck of a retirement party!
                         
    					Don

                           Just some comments on advertising
    
    
    Sign in a florists window: "Smoking, or forgetting your wife's
    birthday, can be hazardous to your health.
    
    Where we go and what we do advertises what we are.
    
    Advertising can be very expensive, especially if your wife can read.
    
    Classified ad in an Oklahoma City newspaper: "Used tombstone for sale.
    Ideal for a family named Jones.
    
    In good times businessman want to advertise; in bad times they have to.
    
    
    
    
    
                                                   Ray
    
    
    

    
    Seen on sign at Carlos 'N Charlies in Cozumel:
    
        "We don't speak English, but we promise not to laugh at your
         Spanish."
    
    On the first stone step into the place:
    
        "The customer is always wrong."
    
    Cindy