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    Hi Greg,
    
    I've never heard of Gambier, but it sounds like a great setting
    for a scary movie! :-)
    
    Carole
    

    
    Sounds like a pretty grueling school.
    
    
    Guy
    
    p.s.  Post-Mortem brain activity anyone?
    
    

    Re:00
    
    Greg, 
    
    Being sensitive enough to work with the tarot I would think that
    you would "feel" energies, whether they be *negative* or *positive*.
    
    How do you perceive the place?  How do your thought patterns run
    around school versus being away from the area?  Do you find yourself
    being more depressed just being in the school atmosphere? (Not being
    directly connected to if your homework is done or not, that is!
    :+) )
    
    
    Dawna

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    RE: .3
    
    I would love to say that I have sensed "negative" feelings about the
    dormitory, unfortunately, I haven't since I've been there (and haven't
    sense bad feelings anywhere else).  Sometimes I have felt anxious
    in my _own_ room, almost like expecting someone to walk in to my
    room.  But when I go and check the door, no one is there.  I don't
    know whether that has to do with the building, my deja vu (which
    is common for me) or a combination of the two.
    	There are certain rooms, I am told, which do give you a feeling
    like there is a presence in the room, but I have never witnessed
    this first hand.
    	It is generally believed that the "entities" (for lack of a
    better word) died in a tragic fire that completely gutted the building
    in 1949.
    	I am a Pisces, and am sensitive to people's lives that I read
    through the tarot.  I have not, however, been "sensitive" in the
    physical/astral world that other people I know (psychics) have been.
    I've always wanted to develop this side of my sensitivity, but I
    have not a clue as to how to go about it.
    
    Sincerely,
    
    Greg 

    Everyone who has been there knows that Cassadega, Fla. is
    the most evil place on this continent.  Plants, animals
    and most people can't even grow there.  It is something
    like an old movie called "Freaks."  They even built the
    highway around the town because of the *negative* and
    vile vibrations.  I haven't been the same since I had
    a glass of water at the local restaurant.  In fact, I
    noticed that I have shrunk 4 inches since then.  I hope
    to be around long enough to see this conference prosper.
    
    Shrinking in Santa Clara, Ca.
    
    -->dc

    
    
    
    	Out of curiosity.  Whereabouts is Cassadega???
    
    	I seem to remember hearing that same idea about
    	the town..
    
    	I lived there for only a short time, but I'm still
    	curious...
    
    	/kim
    

    Cassadega, Fla. is populated by warlocks, witches and
    other so-called "evil" people.  It is, to the best of
    my slowly shrinking memory, north of Orlando, towards
    Tallahassee, in the center of the state.  There are
    lots of Sunday newspaper articles on the horrors of the
    place, complete with the mysteriously appearing "sinkholes!"
    
    You say you lived there - well, I am impressed, as a
    casual visitor, I am still haunted with nightmares,
    evil feelings and frequent images of shrinking!

    
    
    	when I said I lived there, I meant in the Orlando area,
    	not in Cassadega.
    
    	I'll have to ask my friends down there if they've heard
    	of it...
    
    	Thanks for the info.
    
    	/kim
    

    
    
    
    That must explain why two of the Wiccan "commandments" are:
    
    "Do what you will, ere it harm none."
    
                and
    
    "What you do comes back threefold."
    
    
                       Blessed be.
    
    D.
    
    

    re: .10
     
         Virtually all of my exposure to Wiccans has been during the
    time I have been here at DEC (17 months or so) and based on what
    I have seen/read/heard both in these files and away from these files
    (stuff I probably would never have previously noted without this
    experience) I would say that you are pretty far off base.
          If you have personal opinions and personal observations, please
    enter them.  Otherwise, as has been pointed out in the guidelines
    to this conference, you would be wiser in not expressing views as
    you did.  Keep in mind that it isn't *what* you said, but *how*
    you said it that is quite offensive here.
    
    Frederick
    

In reference to Entry 764.10:

   I sincerely hope that your entry wasn't serious. In case it was, I 
strongly suggest that you should take a little time and find out more about 
the subjects you are talking about.

1. The term "warlock" has nothing to do with Wicca. It was created by the 
   inquisition to describe a male practitioner of witchcraft. Anyone with 
   knowledge of the history of the inquisition knows that their view of 
   witchcraft had little to do with reality. To them, the average witch
   was almost inhuman -- and female. Their writings are looked upon today (even
   by most real Christians) as a study in superstition and fear.

2. There were never any witches (wiccans, or any other name you want to 
   call them) killed in Salem. The whole Salem affair was a hysteria 
   started by a few teenage girls who lied about their neighbors in order
   to escape the consequences of some of their "wicked" actions. These
   "wicked" actions were dancing, listening to scary stories from a maid,
   and having nightmares. What they started blew out of proportion when 
   others began using them to accuse people they had grievances with.   
   Wiccans weren't anywhere near Salem until this century, when the town's
   history was used as a tourist trap.

   There are other facts I can give, but this note would become longer than 
it should be. Instead, I reiterate what I said before: if you are going to 
talk about Wiccans (or Blacks, Muslims, or any other people), please make 
certain you know what you are talking about. Your description of what 
Wiccans are about sounds similar to what certain branches of Satanists 
would like to believe about themselves. And if you knew anything about the 
people you were talking about, you would know that Wicca and Satanism are 
two VERY DIFFERENT religions.

   I also reiterate that I hope your entry was not a serious one. If it 
wasn't, please disregard mine.

                                             -Robert Brown III
                          (who isn't Wiccan but who also fights for freedom.)

    Re .10
    
    Brilliant ! Best laugh all day.
    
    
    >>    don't have large warts on their chins doesn't mean that
    >>    they are not plotting to devour pleasant peoples souls.  
    
    Well, as we're all evil ( probably commies too ) New Age devil
    worshippers in this conference, we shouldn't have anything to fear
    here, should we ?                                   
    
    
    >> Anyone who wants to know more about Wiccans can
    >> read about them in the weekly tabloids.  
    
    Yeah, read the *REAL* truth. Just turn to the same pages as "I gave
    birth to live rabbits" and "Space Alien ate my baby".
    
    
    >> Evil Empire of corruption. 
    
    C'mon guys ( Re .11 onwards ), this simply "cannot be serious". Where
    else have I heard these words from a master of the intellect ?
    
    
    Dave_the_pinko_leftie_colored_person_or_anything_else_you'd_like_to_get_
    irrationally_paranoid_about

 reply .10  HA HA HO HO HE HE HE 

       George D.

    RE: .10
    
    	The only thing you forgot was the........	:^)
    
    That was one funny note!
    
    HaHaHaHaHaHa
    
    Love,
    
    Russ

    Silly person.  The people who fled Salem Village (now called
    Danvers) did not go to Florida.  They went to Rhode Island.
    Which is where I come from.
    
    						Ann B.

    Well, It's obvious the author of .10 didn't read note 103. It would
    be sort of amusing, but this makes me realize how common this
    belief/attitude is among people who don't bother to learn the truth
    about things, but just repeat what they read (as .10 says "in the
    weekely tabliods").
    
    FWIW, Wiccans are not part of the Christian system and therefore
    don't even believe in the "Devil".
    
    Tamzen

    Reply to .10,
    
    Yeah, I missed the smiley face too.
    
    Warlock is a term only teenagers use to describe someone they consider
    to be powerful. Powerful in what is debatable. Some Wiccans consider
    Warlocks to be traitors. Adults generally use the term sorcerer,
    which could mean anything from the tribal witch doctor all the way
    up to Ceremonal Magicians. (What say you Steve?) For many even the
    word sorcerer has a negative connotation. Since I'm a neutral I
    don't make that judgement (every type and kind of person having
    their place on the Mother).
                             
    I read that "espose'" in the tabloid. Since most folks consider yellow
    journalism a form of satire, perhaps comedy, it probably serves us
    (Wiccans) well.
    
    I think the Cassadega, Fla. trip is hype. People will find a way to
    feel the way they are told they are supposed to feel about a certain
    locality, whether it be a city or a haunted house. 
    
    Oh, BTW, which Salem were you talking about??
    

    
�    FWIW, Wiccans are not part of the Christian system and therefore
�    don't even believe in the "Devil".

       I'm reminded of somethingmy high school religious education
       teacher said once in "Comparative Religion" class (he was a
       Baptist minister - bear in mind I went to school in Britain where
       religious education is a normal part of the "public" [American
       definition] school curriculum)

               "Wic'ca was 'the old religion' before Abraham was a lad"

       /. Ian .\

    Re.10                                         
    
    Ha ha!  That was a good one!      
    
    Had to think about where I was for a minute there....  Upon realizing
    I was in DEJAVU, it struck me as pretty funny.
    
    Is it getting to be time to plan a Halloween Party?  
    
    *<(X^)               
    
    Witchie-poo with a green face and a wart.
                                             
    Cindy

    re .10
    
    Besides what has already been said - Wiccans do *NOT* worship the
    devil, I think you should keep the Corporate valuing differences
    policies in mind when writing.  You are talking about someone else's
    religion here, which you probably don't understand.  All of the
    things you've stated have been said about other groups (Jews,
    Catholics, Quakers, others).  If you had substituted one of those
    now more popular groups I have no doubt that you would be given
    a written warning.
    
    I hope that there was supposed to be a :^) at the end of that. 
    If not, you are certainly WAY off base.
    
    Elizabeth

    re .10
    
    I don't know any Wiccan's (I don't think) and if I took .10's
    reply seriously I might have developed an opinion.  When I read
    the note and saw that in two days 12 replys had been entered I
    thought, "Oh, Oh another one of those notes...".  I'm glad to
    see the responses and hope others who have had no experience
    with the Wiccan folks keep an open mind.

    Terry

    I did live around the corner from a house (Ravenwood it was called,
    in Atlanta) where several (I think) Wiccans communed.  I went to 
    one of their yard sales.  Seemed like okay people to me.  I think I 
    bought something.  Interesting note:  They got tax-exempt status in their
    house - religious reasons.

    
    
         I agree wholeheartedly with .23.  As I am very new to this
    file and very new to most of the ideas and terms presented in this
    file I have learnt quite alot in a short time.  However, I too could
    have been very easily led astray by .10's remarks.  Some people
    are very impressionable and maybe just maybe if I had read .10 as
    the very first note I would have a preconceived  notion of Wicca
    etc.  Even though I personally do not know anyone that practices
    Wicca etc. just something inside upset me when I read the note.
    I felt very very sad not mad just sad.  I too sincerely hope a little
    :^) was forgotten.  But one thing I do want to say is that I
    participate and read many conferences and have never seen a group
    of noters act so civilized and well-tempered EVER.  It's a very
    good feeling to know that this file is full of such sweet caring
    people.  My hat (even though I'm not wearing one  :^) off to everyone
    and I'm so glad I found you.
    
    Kim-one-of-the-new-noters-who-has-found-her-little-haven
                                                   

         
    Re.10
    
    Did anyone else pick up on this?
    
    >Anyone who wants to know more about Wiccans can read about them
    >in the weekly tabloids.
     
    I will refrain from further comment on this topic.  The above sentence
    speaks for itself.
    
    Cindy

    Just as a reminder, both moderators have other priorities which
    their bosses expect them to meet. Moderators can't be expected to
    constantly monitor this (or any other) note file. 
    
    If someone was offended by .10, they had the choice of taking the
    issue up directly with the author of the note in question. Said
    author would then have been obligated by the rules set forth in
    1.2 to set the note hidden, until there could be some accomodation
    worked out with the offended party. 
                               
    	- Bill Keefe (moderator)

       Re .10 and .-1: actually I was offended to see beliefs I espouse
       maligned in this way. But by the time I saw .10 several neutral
       individuals had already made suitable comments.

       In any event it is part of my belief set to look favorably on my
       fellow men especially when they are no more than ill-informed,
       and perhaps miss-guided. 

       I for one prefer to see .10 remain visible, with its correcting
       replies also.

       /. Ian .\ [at peace with humanity in Wic'ca]

    I have read all the replys since .10 and I hope that if
    .10 is reading these he/she will see that the response
    has been overwhelmingly in favor of LOVE toward that 
    individual. I too am not a wiccan, nor do I know any, but
    from the responses, my not knowing any is my loss. Someone
    mentioned deleting the note and a wiccan responded no. I
    agree. Let it stand on its own so that others can see the
    wiccan response to attack. Love, Sadness for the attacker,
    and Hope for their future.
    
    Love,
    
    Russ

    	Interesting how the author of .10 made his/her entry then
    	effectively disappeared.  Perhaps he/she has been laughed
    	out of town?  ;-)
    
    						Carla
    

    RE: .10
    
    Like Carla, I wonder if this is just another case of hit-and-run
    noting.
    
    I would take .10 seriously, but the part about the tabloids threw
    me.  It CAN'T be serious, can it?  Last tabloid I read said the
    moon is really the skull of a giant space alien.
    
    As for wiccans, I'm pretty neutral toward them.  I think their religion
    is off-base, but they DO seem to have more respect for nature than
    members of other religions.  I know one Wiccan "high-priestess."
    Her religion is little more than superstition as far as I am concerned,
    but she is one of the sweetest, most charitable people I have ever
    met.  Remember .10, a bad tree cannot bear good fruit!
    
    John M.

RE:  .11 - .31
    
    None of you can know what a difficult week this has been for me.
    I honestly thought I had put the happy face at the end of my note
    that upset most everyone, I honestly thought I did.  In fact, I
    was sure I did, until I read all the replies, I reread my note,
    and to my horror, the happy face was left off, so was my name.
    
    I see that some of you saw through the "dark" humor, but there was
    absolutely no malice intended or implied.  Nevertheless, it was
    crass and tasteless, and I want to apologize to all of you who 
    were offended or upset.  I would have written this sooner, but I
    was overwhelmed by the response and the nature of the responses.
    I would like to leave that style of noting to those who subscribe
    to SOAPBOX, so should some of you.
    
    The position of the planets was something I had to consult to try
    and explain to myself why I embarked on such a bizarre journey.
    I think I found my answer.  The moon was in Aquarius, mercury was
    entering Leo and opposing the full moon in Aquarius.  This made
    a square to my mercury and venus, and a direct opposition to my
    ascendant, pluto and mars.  I was in essence, under a great deal
    of astrological pressure.  This is however not an excuse, but an
    attempt to understand my outburst.  Usually, I am a mild mannered
    Clark Kent type of guy, you know the type, double Libra, sun and
    moon conjunct in the 3rd house.  I hesitate about merging onto 
    the freeway everyday, I just don't understand what came over me.

    Again, please accept my apology for that horrible note, just as
    I will try and forget the intensity of some of your more *spicy*
    answers.  I really hope that this puts an end to this melee.  But
    I somehow know that it won't.  So, if it makes you feel better,
    go ahead and tear my already bleeding flesh apart, pour salt into
    my wounds and make me feel even more guilty than I already do.
    
    (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^: (^:
    
    I am truly sorry, here in Silicon Valley, the-note-was-stupid-and-it-
    would-have-been-much-better-if-I-had-never-left-off-the-happy-face-
    it-would-have-been-even-better-if-I-never-wrote-it-I-feel-terrible-
    about-it-as-I-should-so-lets-let-it-rest-in-peace-forever-ok?
    
    --David
           

    
    
    	Well, 21 replies to .10 is quite enough for now, I think,
    	so if I may, I'd like to change the subject for a minute.
    
    	I was just looking through an Atlas (1984) trying to locate
    	exactly WHERE Cassadega, FL is.  There is absolutely NO
    	listing for this town.  
    	
    	RE: .19
    	>>I think the Cassadega, Fla. trip is a hype.
    
    	Can anyone specifically locate this particular place
    	for me??
    
    
    /tig!
    

RE: .32

    Glad to hear from you and to see your happy face.  
    No hard feelings here...

RE: .33

    I have a friend living in Miami.  I was talking to her last night about
    some new age/metaphysical stuff.  She's always complaining about how
    Miami seems to be devoid of this kind of info (books,seminars, etc).
    She told me that she went to a new age exhibit in a Miami hotel.  She
    said it was okay, but not much to write home about.  However, she really 
    liked the people, said they were all very friendly and quite helpful.  I
    said, "great, I'm glad something has finally been scheduled there".
    She said, "By the way, Have you ever heard of Cassedega, Florida, they 
    are all from there? a quite little metaphysical town".  I said, "Well, 
    I've been reading this thing at work....".

    Her opinion of the people doesn't at all seem to go along with the
    descriptions here.  I'd like to know more.

    Terry 

RE: .32 (David)
    
    > I will try and forget the intensity of some of your more *spicy*
    > answers. ...
    
    I would say, David, that there were *no* "spicy" answers to your
    note -- only to a note by someone who did not even *intend* to
    include a happy-face.  We all make careless errors at times, and
    with the humerous intention made clear I see *nothing* for you
    to appologize for (that is, as far as I'm concerned your apology
    for forgetting the happy-face is accepted).  The note was fine
    as a piece of humor -- your intentions were valid.
    
    					Topher

    re: .32 (David)
    
    	Thank you for clarifying that.  =8*)
    
    						Carla
    

    
    RE.32 (David)
    
    Ditto to what Carla and Topher said.
    
    Here's hoping you have a better week.
    
    Cindy

    
    
    	Anyone been able to find out exactly WHERE Cassadega is??
    	I still have a hard time locating this "evil" place.
 
    
    	/Kimm
    

    
    
    
    	Well, I took some intiative a few minutes ago and called
    	the Post Office.  I got the Zip Code and the county it's
    	located in.   I guess the Atlas I had was out of date. 
    	Perhaps this town is somewhat new...
    
    	It's in Volusia county, FLA.  For those who don't know,
    	Volusia county is on the East Coast of Florida.  Daytona
    	Beach is located in Volusia....
    
    	More info as I find it out..
    
    	/Kimm!
    

    
    
    
  	Well.  Although it's not LISTED in the Atlas, it IS on
    	the map...since finding out it was in Volusia County,
    	that's where I looked and Abracadabra.  there it was.
    
    	Cassadega is located (nearest big city) near De Land,
    	and Deltona (not to be confused with Daytona)...
    
    	

    As I was reading the replies I realized it had to be a funny;
    just prior to your reply I thought it was intended to see how far
    you could ramp up some noters.  Shoulda thought of it back on April
    1st.
       
    Re: .earlier
    
    Now, tell me some more about shrinking 4".  Must play havoc with
    your wardrobe.
    
    And:  Why do I get the feeling the sinkholes play a big part in
    this?  Are they being attributed to the "witches"?  Good thing this
    town wasn't located next to Yellowstone Nat'l Park...
                                                   
    Also, until this note I hadn't thought of "witchcraft" as a religion.
    Guess if figured it was a hobby, or a way to put bread on the table.
    
    						Don

    	Gee..... after reading all these replies naming all these different
    places, etc.  You would have thought that someone would have gotten
    it right by now.
    
    	The evilest place in the world is Hell, of course!
    

RE: .42

	And where exatcly is Hell?  Do you mean the town in Michigan ;')...

	Terry    

    re. .43
    Perhaps.  I understand that Heaven (Mich) is just down the road
    from Hell.  Commonly, in the winter, Heaven is colder than Hell.
    
    8)>>	8)>>
    
    Hell is also a city in Norway, which may explain its presence as
    a place name in Michigan.
    
    thanks
    dave pierson

    Does anyine have any information regarding the base note?  Does
    anyone know anymore stories about Kenyon College and its "haunted"
    buildings?  Just curious.

    
    I am the author of the base note and would love to discuss ghosts
    at Kenyon.  I have since graduated, and am again working for DEC
    as a temp.
    
    Kenyon has a long history of purported ghost stories.  Most are
    the result of more than a few fires and accidental deaths on campus.
    Old Kenyon, a dorm, burned in 1949, killing (I think) 9.  Supposedly,
    when they rebuilt it, the exterior was the same, but the interior
    levels were scaled down, and when you see ghosts, you only see the
    waist up or the waist down, depending what level you're on!  I've
    never seen any ghosts in the building, and I lived in it for 3 years,
    but on my side, the east side, no one died.  On the west side, there
    were deaths.
    	I talked with a class-mate of mine recently who lived on the
    west side and he said that he and others have heard strange noises
    and something like "Jim, look out!" when there has been no one in
    the hallway.  Also, the showers get turned on by itself.
    	I have to admit that the 3rd floor in the West Wing of Old Kenyon
    _feels_ different.  My ex-girlfriend, who is more experienced in
    the occult, described it like someone "threw a blanket over things,
    muffling the hallway."  Visual muffling, instead of aural. That's
    probably the best way of discribing it.
    	Also in Caples dorm, someone fell down the elevator shaft, and
    his ghost haunts the building.  Covers being pulled off sleeping
    students, a tap on someone's shoulder, things like that.
    	In the old pool, which is now the dance studio, someone died
    after attempting a dive, hitting their head on the crossbeams and
    breaking their neck.  One time, the swim team was having a meditation
    session in the dance studio.  One of swimmers smelled urine and
    was so upset that the meditation was ended early.  Supposedly, urine
    smell is the sign of the devil.  Others have seen wet footprints
    *starting* from the edge of the now filled-in pool and walking toward
    the door.
    	Like I said, I never saw or experience any of these phenomena
    (except the "muffled feeling") but there were enough rumors and,
    privately, others that I know have experience something on campus
    to make them believe something not readily explainable was happening.
    
    BTW: re .45  Pobox::freichels
    
    Are you related to Mea Freichels '90, who I graduated with?  Just
    curious.......
    
    /Greg Aharonian

    
    Hi Greg,
    
    Welcome back!  Do you realize that you wrote the base note exactly 2
    years to the day earlier than you wrote .46?
    
    Your comment on urine made me chuckle, perhaps wondering if subways
    were inhabited...(;^)...by well, you know...  Perhaps that's why the
    Guardian Angels......
    
    Cindy