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Title:Psychic Phenomena
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Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
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712.0. "DREAM, DRUNK, OR PSCHIC?" by MILVAX::SOUZA () Fri Apr 22 1988 16:30

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MILVAX::SOUZA                                        41 lines  22-APR-1988 11:09
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      I am a new "noter". I have recently had a strange experience and
    I would like to know if anyone has any feedback on it. I will only
    be here at the MLO until June 3rd, then I'm off to another temp.
    job.
    
      Something strange happened to me a while back that still has me
    guessing. It happened at a very strange time too. Some people, you
    know, go to sleep, dream something is going to happen and it does.
    I was -ah- "sleeping" with my boyfriend when this strange thing
    suddenly interuppted our "passion". 
    
       It was like I was awake and alert one minute and "spaced out"
    in the next, by boyfriend told me after. I "visioned" a 12 or 13
    year old girl, blonde, alot like Sara Pryor. (In fact at the time
    I "said" she was.) She was in a yellow life preserver, searching,
    or rather "dragging" a rushing river with a bunch of people. I assume
    searching for a dead body...suddenly I awoke with him saying loudly,
    "WHAT?" I guess out of no where I said "you'll never find the body."
    Very matter-of-factly. From that day on I've never been able to
    accept the fact that she is dead. I have this really strong feeling
    she is alive. I don't know if she is well or not, but she is alive.
    Until I find out otherwise, that's what I believe.
    
      An incident similar to this one happened to me once before as
    well, only the girl was around 8, in an art gallery in a city. She
    had strawberry blonde hair and was sort of posing for a picture
    in like, a Life magazine. She was sad, and handcuffed to a painting
    of tulips that were aligned next to each other all over the painting.
    Same timing, different lover (some time after the past one...) and
    I awoke saying, "Why is she handcuffed to the painting?" (never
    did find out...)
    
      Both incidents I had been drinking, but not heavily enough to
    be hallucinating and both men told me I sort of had a spacey-shell look
    in my eyes.
    
      I would love to hear what anybody has to say about this. (please
    keep it fairly serious, this has been driving me crazy trying to
    figure it out!!)
    
    Thanx, ya'all!!
    
    -renee.
    
    p.s.
    Thanx Topher..
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712.1It's an awkward time to take notes, though ...MARKER::KALLISloose ships slip slips.Fri Apr 22 1988 16:5618
    Re .0 (renee):
    
    >I was -ah- "sleeping" with my boyfriend when this strange thing
    >suddenly interuppted our "passion". 
     
    > ...
    
    >Same timing, different lover (some time after the past one...) and
    >I awoke saying .....
     
    In some cases, the intensity of a sexual experience works synergistic-
    ally with other perceptions and at (or near) the extatic point,
    with some people, a perceptive channel opens.  This might be what's
    happened in your case.  [Note for others reading: I doubt if anybody
    would buy, "I need your help to heighten my psychic sensitivities,"
    as a legitimate line. :-)]  
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
712.2MAKING VISIONS...MILVAX::SOUZAFri Apr 22 1988 17:1213
    re:.1
    
    (cute last line, Steve.)
    
    I read in a book (forgot name & author now) written by a witch.
    She wrote of several ways in which to cast spells. One such way
    was to clear your mind, what better way than in the heat of passion.
    She also said, this might not work because you were so busy
    concentrating on what they were doing at the time.
    
    Could this, maybe have some possibilities??
    
    -renee.
712.3an approachMARKER::KALLISloose ships slip slips.Fri Apr 22 1988 17:1921
    Re .2 (renee):
    
    > ... clear your mind, what better way than in the heat of passion.
    >She also said, this might not work because you were so busy
    >concentrating on what they were doing at the time.
     
    Because "you" were so busy concentrating on what "they" were doing?
    
    >Could this, maybe have some possibilities??
          
    
    All sorts, and not necessarily psychic.  [Better be careful whom
    you hang out with .... :-)]
    
    Seriously, this technique works for _some_ people, and not for others.
    However, anything that will drive the person to an ecstatic state
    could work, not only sex.
    
    And in that, I ==>definitely<== do ==>NOT<== suggest drugs.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
712.4SWSNOD::DALYSerendipity &#039;R&#039; usFri Apr 22 1988 17:406
    re:  .3  MARKER::KALLIS
    
    In that case, Steve, for some people a pound of chocolate would
    do the trick!
    
    Marion
712.5A possible psychological explanation.PBSVAX::COOPERTopher CooperFri Apr 22 1988 18:1438
    First some points about Altered States of Consciousness (ASCs).
    Different ASCs have different characteristics associated with them.
    ASCs sometimes suddenly shift from one to another, particularly if they
    share some characteristics.  This "just happens". 

    Strong sexual arousal is a type of ASC.  This seems to be especially
    true for women (there is evidence that the neural pathways in the brain
    for sexual stimulation are, at least typically, different for men and
    women).  For example, some women occasionally or regularly experience
    Out of Body Experiences (OBEs) during orgasm.  This is unusual, but
    perfectly normal. 

    One of the noticeable characteristics associated with sexual arousal is
    "strong imagery", which is why sexual fantasies tend to be rather more
    vivid for most people than they're average day-dreams (even those
    dealing with sex).  Other common ASCs with this same characteristic are
    the dreaming state, the lucid dreaming state and the hypnotic state. 

    The point is, for some people, I would expect it to be rather easy to
    shift from sexual arousal -- particularly close to or during orgasm (I
    won't ask the obvious, overly personal question -- none of my business)
    -- to a "waking dream" state.  Having your brain slightly disrupted by
    alcohol would seem to make it more likely.  Just like the OBEs that
    some women experience I would say that these were unusual but perfectly
    "normal". 

    Were the "dreams" psychic?  I don't know.  I believe that the "dreams"
    came from the same place that ordinary dreams came from -- the
    subconscious.  But it seems that some ordinary dreams bring psychic
    information out of the subconscious.  The dream images associated with
    some ASCs seem to be somewhat more likely to contain psychic
    information than ordinary dreams, but I have no way of judging whether
    this particular one is has that characteristic, and even so, for most
    individuals, such "psi-conducive states" only increase the likelihood
    of psychic information a little.  All in all, if I *had* to bet, I
    would bet against it, but who knows? 

						Topher
712.6Silly meDECWET::MITCHELLArt imitates life imitates TVFri Apr 22 1988 19:337
    
    RE: .0
    
    And I always thought women made out their shopping lists during sex!
    
    
    John M.  ;-) 
712.7For Your ConsiderationBORIKN::ESPOSITOTue Apr 26 1988 21:3718
    Every child of Adam possesses certain "latent powers of the soul".
    These special abilities which are looked at and studied under the
    title of "Parapsychology" have been categorized as i.e., Telepathy,
    Teleportation, Telekinesis, and so on. Three weeks ago I watched
    on Cable T.V. a documentary on the ill fated Franklin Expedition.
    I watched fascinated as the bodies of the ships crew were exhumed
    photographed, X-Rayed and autopsied. These men had been dead and
    buried in the frozen Arctic Tundra since 1846. Their facial features
    were remarkably preserved. They died of lead poisoning from the
    canned meats they ate. That night over eight thousand miles away
    someone very near and dear to me dreamt of me and heard me distinctly
    tell her of an Arctic Expedition I was thinking of going on!!
    How, why? You perhaps picked up images, "vibrations" psychic if
    you will very much like a Radio Antennae just as my friend did.
    Stressful situations of great emotion generate such signals and
    you quite unawares simply pick up the signal. You may never ever
    be able to turn it on and off like a faucet but you are sensitive
    to these things and consequently receive them.
712.8on a sensitive noteMILVAX::SOUZAWed Apr 27 1988 14:136
    re:.7
    
      Interesting. But, what are you saying? I may not be psychic, but
    perhaps psychic-sensitive???
    
    -re.
712.9Is This Any Clearer?BORIKN::ESPOSITOMon May 02 1988 19:1210
    What I am trying to say is that different people exhibit different
    levels of sensitivity. Some people are simply more intuitive than
    others or more perceptive. It has has nothing to do with anything
    one can willfully control or learn. It has to do with ones "nature"
    or spiritual disposition, if you will. This is what the Astrological
    signs of the Zodiac allude to.
    
    Regards,
    
    Richard
712.10Re .7: So that means when she's shopping...SCOMAN::RUDMANBooks almost for sale.Sat May 07 1988 13:2410
    Another note in which an occurance is related with the intent of
    seeking help.   Maybe one would recommend a way to enhance this
    attribute, or "re-live" it; what if you *could* locate a missing
    person?
    
    I believe a person with a "sixth-sense" (if you will) has a gift.
    It's only a curse if you fear it or mis-use it.
      
    
    						Don