Conference hydra::dejavu

    
    
       It was a well put together movie, with a lot of error!!
    
    Lorenzo
    

    Well I do not know too much about the bible so I really do not know
    what errors there were...Can you tell me what errors you saw?
    
    Also seeing this I want to read the bible..

    One problem I had with the movie, (without giving too much
    away) was that it implied that the guy on death row was a prophet
    of God, when no propet of God would be an *unrepentant* double 
    murderer.
    
    Hopefully the people of the West (which has always been rather slow
    when it comes to recognizing how out of harmony their civilization
    is with universal Law) will see that the movie (and the events
    described in Revelation, for that matter) are illustrations of what 
    happens when you abandon respect for the earth and humanitarian 
    compassion, for greed and self-oriented personal gain...namely, 
    karmic consequences of a magnitude the people of this planet haven't
    seen since the destruction of Atlantis, or the Great Flood.
    
    Since tearing down the rotten foundation seems to be the only way
    of rebuilding a house, the events described in the movie I believe
    are descriptive of what's on the horizon for what passes for
    "civilization" on this planet (despite the flaws in the movie).
    
    Doug
    
    PS. If you wish to debate this with me please do so off line as
    I think politics are out of the range of DEJAVU topics, excepting
    as they tie into movies like this.                             

    I saw this movie.  It was interesting, but not being a biblical
    scholar I can't comment on its accuracy.  I give a medium rating.
    I am afraid I figured out the punch line a little too early on and
    had to wait for the movie to run its course.  All I can say is; 
    I don't know where that guy (David) got those cookies that he 
    attached to those documents, but I bet the girl scouts don't sell 
    them.  {;-)
    
    Stan

    that's funny..I thought about cookies when I saw those too...
    
    Good one
    Andrea

    The guy wasn't a prophet of God, but the last martyr-someone who kills
    for the word of God.  He killed his parents because they were brother
    and sister, and God said that was wrong. 

  
  > The guy wasn't a prophet of God, but the last martyr-someone who kills
  > for the word of God.
  
  No, a martyr is someone who is killED for the word of God.  [ To be more
  accurate, it is one who suffers death or hardship for their beliefs,
  regardless of whether there is a god involved ].
  
  > He killed his parents because they were brother
  > and sister, and God said that was wrong.                             
  
  Seem to recall that most interpretations of the Bible say that killing
  is wrong and also that two wrongs don't make a right.
  [ I don't particularly agree with them though - just MHO ].
  
  Frank

    You seem to know more on the subject than I do, I just recall that that
    is what the movie said.(I saw it on tv a few weeks ago again.)
    
    shannon
    

Re: .6,.7

Each is correct.  In the movie, he was touted in the newspapers as a martyr -
being executed for doing as God told him to do (kill his parents).  He did not
do the deed, however, just because the Bible says incest is wrong, but because
God spoke to him and told him what to do.

That is what (supposedly) made him a martyr.

Beth

    Long time since anyone's put anything in here, but recently another
    noter and myself were talking...and I mentioned how after I'd seen this
    movie I did some investigating.  I'm a Catholic school victim  ;^)
    and I never remembered hearing anything about the guf...although
    revelations was certainly pushed at us often enough.
    
    So I went to look up the guf/guff ... this supposed place that would
    sooner or later empty out of souls...
    
    No such reference in any of the Judeao-Christian reference materials I
    examined.
    
    Is there anyone in here familiar with this reference?
    
    I also asked a clergyman and he had never heard of it.
    
    Just wondering...
    
    

    
    	I think it is Jewish.  However esoteric philosophy has this
    	concept.  I remember having a discussion and someone saying
    	that it is in one of the Jewish 'scriptures' but I never
    	checked it out myself.  Don't remember the 'scripture' book
    	it was in either.
    
    regards,
    Jayna

    
    	Marilyn,
    
    	I didn't mean to upset you.  The use of quotes did not convey
    	what I intended but was not what you assumed.  The use of quotes
    	meant, that the book this was documented, was not the Torah
    	but belonged to the wider range of religious writings in that
    	tradition.  Don't read anything into the word tradition.  I just
    	can't think of another word.
    
    	By the way, did it occur to you that the last name 'Rabke' was
    	Jewish?  Don't be so quick to assume people are not valuing
    	differences.  Give them the benefit of the doubt.  Besides,
    	there may not be any difference.
    
    
    	Jayna

    
    It is common to put a word in quotes when one is not entirely sure if
    it is the right word to use for the situation.
    
    Cindy

    Re .13

    >do not put scriptures in quotes when referring to Jewish ones....       

    A bit tricky if you are using them as a string inside a Basic program.

    Jamie.

    Jayna,
    
    Point taken, but I did say, a *gentle* reminder.
    
    
    Marilyn

    Re:  12
    
    WHEW!  I would not have thought this a Digital notesfile if SOMEONE
    didn't put in something about valuing someone else's difference!
    
    Not to drag this into a rathole, really, but what is the big deal about
    putting ' ' marks around scriptures when in reference to Jewish?  I'm
    curious.  I just wondered if it is a taboo in your religion or
    something?
    
    btw:  If you want to answer me off-line, that is certainly alright with
    me
    
    Also, it seems we still have no substantiation for the claims of the
    existence of some guf?
    
    

>    The usage of quotation marks around a word suggests the 
                                                ^^^^^^^^
>    person using it doesn't quite believe this really is what it's being
>    called.

Yes, it often *suggests*; it never explicitly says. There are enough
times when it doesn't even mean this that it's worth giving the person
the benefit of doubt and not saying anything. Just think: what would
have happened if the second paragraph of .12 had never been written?

    
    Re.19
    
    >The usage of quotation marks around a word suggests the
    >person using it doesn't quite believe this really is what it's being
    >called.                       ^^^^^^^ 
    
    Or *know*...        
    
    AND, to requote .15 - it can ALSO mean that the person is not entirely
    sure if it is the right word, and so out of respect and genuine lack of
    knowledge, decides to put it into quotes.
    
    I am certain that, in *this* situation, this is the case.
    
    Cindy
    
    PS. Mercury is in retrograde, tending to impact clear communications...

    
    Notes .12,.13 and .19 are set hidden at the author's request.
    
    Cindy (mod)