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| 700.1 | Seth Notes?? | MILVAX::SOUZA | | Mon Apr 11 1988 16:19 | 1 |
| What exactly are "Seth Notes??"
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| 700.2 | Dead or alive | NEXUS::ENTLER | | Mon Apr 11 1988 16:31 | 5 |
| I believe I did read or hear that Jane Roberts had died.
Perhaps Seth is looking for another medium to speak through!
Any volunteers?
Dan
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| 700.3 | Answers many of my questions, anyway. | USADEC::CLOUD | Sharing time on the Zen machine | Mon Apr 11 1988 17:00 | 14 |
| re: .1
I don't remember saying anything about 'Seth notes', but I will
try to explain him. Seth is/was a 'personality' that came through
in OUIJA sessions to Jane Roberts and her husband Joseph Butts. Seth
is supposedly 'not of our own plane of existence', and yet he speaks
through Jane Roberts (a spiritual medium).
What started out as OUIJA sessions, turned out to be a string
of 'sessions' in which Seth came through and explained the nature
of reality...so to speak. Hope this helps....the books are great!
Phil
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| 700.4 | question about the subject | MILVAX::SOUZA | | Mon Apr 11 1988 17:32 | 4 |
| Sorry about that little typo, I meant "Seth Material". I am very
interested in this subject. Where might I find these "Seth" books
and how long has this been around? Is it well known?
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| 700.5 | | WILLEE::FRETTS | doing my Gemini north node... | Mon Apr 11 1988 18:07 | 13 |
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Hi,
I first heard of Seth and Jane Roberts around 1978. The book
"Seth Speaks" was one of the first I read in which the philosphy of
creating your own reality was presented. It expanded my way of
thinking about myself and the world in ways that I never would
have imagined. I have a lot of respect for the work they did
and would recommend the books highly.
Carole
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| 700.6 | One more note to wade through. | WRO8A::GUEST_TMP | HOME, in spite of my ego! | Mon Apr 11 1988 22:30 | 9 |
| Re: note-starter
Had you done your "homework", you would have discovered note
number 368, which is on Seth. Seth's name also appears here and
there in other topics...use SEARCH to find whatever other references
there might be.
Frederick
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| 700.7 | As Frankie says, "Relax" | BSS::BLAZEK | Dancing with My Self | Mon Apr 11 1988 22:57 | 8 |
| re: .6 (Frederick)
>> -< One more note to wade through. >-
It's hardly *that* bad, is it?
Carla
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| 700.8 | more than one of us needs to do some homework | ULTRA::LARU | let's get metaphysical | Tue Apr 12 1988 10:16 | 5 |
| re .6
Send for the Lazaris tape on patience, tolerance, and humility...
bruce
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| 700.9 | Yes, but.... | USADEC::CLOUD | Sharing time on the Zen machine | Tue Apr 12 1988 11:40 | 24 |
| re: .6
Oh, but I DID do my homework, and I DID find other Seth
material, but nothing ever went into what he was trying to say.
My only purpose in bringing this "obviously used" subject up
again, is that I would like to invite forum on his views. To
date, all that has been said has been about the author, her husband,
and other incidental info. I've been reading this notesfile for
some time, and I get the impression that everyone is on the same
wavelength, but in different directions. I get the impression that
while there are other avenues of inner exploration, there are
equally as many methods. What I would like to ask again, is
from those who have read Seth, to give me their inputs on it as
far as it's validity to them. This must be asked, if anyone is
to make a final judgement (for me, at least)...many views must
be taken into consideration, and I would like to hear those opinions.
Tha's all! When the original questions have been tossed about
accordingly, then I will probably ask for more opinions on other
topics he has raised, since I believe that they are socially
valid.
Phil
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| 700.10 | But wait! Tha's not all...if you order now... | USADEC::CLOUD | Sharing time on the Zen machine | Tue Apr 12 1988 11:46 | 13 |
| re: .4
I knew it was a typo...just had to razz ya! Anyways, the best
collection of Seth material I have found to date has been the Ben
Franklin book store (across from the Worcester Library). I don't
know if that is much help, but if you live near there, that's a
good place to start. Although I still don't know what order the
books were printed..still waiting for that info (hint, hint out
there!). Hope this helps!
Phil
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| 700.11 | Quite similar to Edgar Cayce | NEXUS::ENTLER | | Tue Apr 12 1988 11:57 | 11 |
| It has been quite sometime since I have read the Seth material.
In fact, I know there was other books that came out after I had
read what I did. I found a lot of what was mentioned in the Seth
books built upon, added to, or coincided with much of what was also
mentioned in Edgar Cayce's books. They seemed to be on about the
same wave lengths.
Like others, I found that by reading these books, it opened up
my mind and myself to become more easily able to accept things as
they are and look deeper into them for understanding.
Of course being a Gemini, I have always been able to look at
both sides of most situations.
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| 700.12 | | CSC32::WOLBACH | | Tue Apr 12 1988 12:10 | 14 |
| The first book written by Jane Roberts was The Education of
Oversoul Seven. This book was written before she started
"channeling" Seth (if I recall, it was actually written be-
fore she was aware of Seth's existance; I believe it was
based on 'dreams' that Seth sent her, to prepare her for
his arrival.) I HIGHLY recommend this book. There is also
a sequel (The Further Education of Oversoul Seven), not sure
if this was written before or after Seth Speaks.
Jane Roberts has died.
Deborah
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| 700.13 | 'Seth' as an aspect of Jane's consciousness; | SSDEVO::ACKLEY | Aslan | Tue Apr 12 1988 12:38 | 51 |
| In "Adventures In Consciousness" Jane says she believes Seth
was an aspect of her own consciousness. He may also have some
sort of separate existence, but she clearly stated that her ego
as Jane and as Seth were both parts of one larger consciousness.
Seth's viewpoint is almost entirely 'cardinal', in that he always
emphasized being in control, choosing, deciding. He downplayed
the mutable or fixed aspects of consciousness that were more expressed
by the 'Jane' part of the total Jane Roberts personality. For
this reason, I believe the Seth personality is incomplete, representing
what would be only one portion of a completely integrated person.
Even so I found some of the Seth material interesting and even
valuable.
There is a good book, the title of which I don't remember offhand,
but it was written by Ira Progoff about the psychic Eileen Garrett.
He traces the development of the personalities of her guides, and
demonstrates quite convincingly that in this case, these so-called
spirits were actually split-off and personified portions of her
own psyche. In Eileen Garrett's case, this personality split was
deliberately encouraged during hypnotic 'medium training', while
in Jane Robert's case, the personified aspect seemed to appear
spontaneously. Since Jane herself described similarities
in "Adventures In Consciousness", I believe it is clear that 'Seth'
is not a roaming independent spirit to be tapped into by anyone with
a Ouija board, but was a manifestation of part of the total
personality complex developed in the context of Jane and Robert's
marriage.
It is interesting to note that *every* time Seth 'came through'
Jane, that her husband (and many other people) would give her
undivided attention, taking notes and listening carefully. I am
*not* saying that Seth was faked, but there was obviously a lot
of room for Jane to be unconsciously motivated to continue producing
'psychic' events. Her own theories about Seth, as I mentioned
above, seem to confirm my theory that Seth was a part of Jane, and
not a separate spirit.
The 'Seth' books are very interesting, but it has seemed to
me that other of Jane's writings are actually better than the Seth
books. I think her novels and poetry are quite good, and the
books she wrote in a more integrated state of mind have seemed to
me to be a lot more sensible than the Seth material. "Adventures
In Consciousness", is for instance, by *Jane*, not Seth.
Alan.
PS RE .11 I disagree that the 'Seth' material was similar to the
Edgar Cayce material. Edgar Cayce constantly delivered verifiable
information; medical diagnoses that were verified by medical doctors.
The Seth material, on the other hand, consists almost entirely of
take-it-or-leave-it unverifiable assertions.
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| 700.14 | razzle dazzle | MILVAX::SOUZA | | Tue Apr 12 1988 17:03 | 4 |
| to: .10
Thanks!! For the razzing as well as the info!!
-renee.
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| 700.15 | I tried to back down a bit but failed. | WRO8A::GUEST_TMP | HOME, in spite of my ego! | Tue Apr 12 1988 21:56 | 21 |
| re: .8
Touche'!!
re: .0 (and a few other replies)
Actually, last night (late) I entered a reply (after Carla's.)
Wouldn't you know that DMATE2 wouldn't accept it. Grrrr!! Anyway,
I wanted to express that I wasn't as "upset" as my note reflected.
I apologize now for the "accusation." Had you referred to your
research or the other note, it would have clarified the issue, but
I take responsibility for "jumping to conclusions." Sorry.
Seth for me is too "dry", although I do not take issue with
most of what he has to say. There are very many people who value
what he says, highly. It's like so many other channeled sources
of information (yes, even Lazaris) in that we can neither prove
nor disprove what the claim is concerning the source. So, as some
people are quick to note, it becomes more important to judge the
information, not the informer.
Frederick
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| 700.16 | Set/terminal=read between the lines | MEDUSA::CLOUD | Sharing time on the Zen machine | Sat Apr 23 1988 13:29 | 19 |
| re: .15
As the weeks go by, I've been finding more and more information
on Seth and other 'relative' personalities...it seems as though it
goes a bit farther than I originally anticipated. It also seems
as though my focus has been bit tunneled. With the current nature
of NOTES in general, it's very easy to feel 'picked on' when expressing
one's views.
Anyway, I do want it to go on record that I still 'feel' that
the information presented in these various 'personalities' are valid.
It seems to explain many things, and answer many questions. It
is only a matter of opening up the mind to these insights and theories.
After all, we only use a small portion of it, supposedly, do we
not?
Phil
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| 700.17 | Another Perspective | BORIKN::ESPOSITO | | Tue Apr 26 1988 21:12 | 9 |
| What each of you should be aware of is that what is called "Channeling"
has been around for thousands of years. From the Oracle's of Delphi
to those of Ancient Egypt. Now in the "80's" this practice takes
on the vogue appearence of something new. There is a spirit world
that is just as real as (if not more so) the physical realm we inhabit
now. It is populated by both Angelic as well as Diabolical beings.
The innocent interest from Doonesbury to the inordinaetly curious.
Involvement with such practices and practicioners will place those
at great risk. Read your Bible; the Old and New Testament says much.
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| 700.18 | books by Jane Roberts + Robert F. Butts | VITAL::KEEFE | Bill Keefe - 223-1837 - MLO21-4 | Tue May 17 1988 00:39 | 154 |
|
The following "Seth" books and others are available from:
Austin Seth Center
P.O. Box 7786
Austin,TX 78713-7786
phone orders with VISA/MC only 512-479-8909
(Disclaimer - I have no financial interest in the above organization and
am entering this information for the benefit of those who may not have
been able to find these books locally. The synopsis given is taken
from their catalog and has been abbreviated by me. The prices
quoted do not include shipping or handling charges, which vary
depending on the amount of the order. Call the number above if you
need more exact information. The books are not necesarily listed
in order of publication. The publishing dates were not listed, else
I'd have included them as people had asked for that info.)
[-M is Mass Paperback; -Q is a Quality Paperback; -H is Hardcover]
"How to Develop Your ESP Power" by Jane Roberts
$3.50 item #11001-M
Inspired by Jane's first paranormal experiences, this book is
a set of exercises to help develop one's ESP abilities.
"The Seth Material" by Jane Roberts
$4.50 item #11002-M
$8.95 item 11002-Q
The first popular Seth/Jane book, this is an account of how
Seth first appeared in the lives of Jane and Rob; it contains
their doubts, self-questionings, and tests of him.
"Seth, Dreams and Projection of Consciousness" by Jane Roberts
$9.95 item 11017-Q
Written between "The Seth Material" and "Seth Speaks" but not
published until 1986, this book by Jane fills in the
chronological gap between those 2 works. The intro. by Rob
Butts describes the circumstances surrounding her death on
Sep. 5, 1984.
"Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul"
$4.95 item 11003-M
$8.95 11003-Q
The first full-scale "Seth" book. In it Seth describes the
multidimensional nature of the human personality, with its
untapped resources, its range in time and space, and its
connections with all aspects of the universe. Transcribed and
edited by Robert Butts.
"The Nature of Personal Reality: A Seth Book"
$4.95 item 11005-M
$10.95 11005-Q
An explanatory handbook of techniques for applying the
concept of the time and space-free human personality to
whatever difficulties in which we may find ourselves.
Transcribed and edited by Robert Butts.
"Adventures in Consciousness:An Introduction to Aspect Psychology"
by Jane Roberts
$4.50 item 11006-M
Written in 1974, the first part of this book consists of
Jane's accounts of her increased awareness of some of the
aspects of her greater self, together with similar
discoveries on the part of members of the ESP class which she
held every Tuesday night in her home from 67-75.
"Psychic Politics: An Aspect Psychology Book" by Jane Roberts
$9.95 item 11007-Q
A sequel to "Adventures", this book by Jane relates more of
her encounters with her greater self, as well as similar
experiences on the part of Rob and individuals with whom they
come in contact.
"The 'Unknown' Reality: A Seth Book" (2 Vols)
Vol. 1, $8.95 item 11008-Q
2, $10.95 11009-Q
Seth's 3rd book. It is a fuller explanation of the "unknown"
dimensions of ourselves, with exercises which can help us
become more familiar with them and thus enrich both our lives
and the world in which we live. Transcribed and edited by
Robert Butts.
"The Nature of the Psyche:Its Human Expression. A Seth Book"
$6.95 item 11012-Q
Seth's 4th book. Who "I" am is explained through a discussion
of the mobility of consciousness as distinct from the body.
Transcribed and edited by Robert Butts.
"The God of Jane" by Jane Roberts
$7.95 item 11014-Q
This book relates experiences beginning in Jane's childhood
which eventually led her to accept Seth's philosophy and to
formulate her own concept of "God".
"The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events: A Seth Book"
$7.95 item 11015-Q
In his 5th book, Seth tells how groups of individuals and
societies create their own realities as they produce war and
peace; epidemics and good health; geological phenomena such
as earthquakes; the weather; technological catastrophes like
Three-Mile Island; and group movements, like the mass suicide
by the followers of Jim Jones. Seth stresses the power of the
individual to choose whether to participate in mass decisions
or to follow a separate course. Transcribed and edited by
Robert Butts.
"Dreams,'Evolution', and Value Fulfillment: A Seth Book"
Vol 1, $15.95 item 11018-H
2, $15.95 11019-H
This 6th book recounts the "evolution" of material reality
moment by moment from the dream state into its manifestation
as our physical environment. Seth also describes the goal
towards which each aspect of the whole of All That Is is
working: value fulfillment. As in previous Seth books,
Robert Butts provides notes and commentaries. His
Introductory Essays give an account of Jane's final illness
and the reasons for the immense physical difficulties which
she suffered. Transcribed and edited by Robert Butts.
"The Education of Oversoul Seven" by Jane Roberts
$3.95 item 11004-M
$7.95 11004-Q or -H
This novel was written by Jane in a state of altered
consciousness. Seth's concept of the time-and-space-free
personality is developed.
"The Further Education of Oversoul Seven" by Jane Roberts
$3.95 item 11011-M
$7.95 11011-Q
A sequel to the previous book, this discusses the concepts of
simultaneous time, probable realities, the power of an
individual's free choice, and the nature of "God" are
explored.
"Oversoul Seven and the Museum of Time" by Jane Roberts
$7.95 item 11016-Q
In this 3rd of the Oversoul series, Jane develops the
concepts of simultaneous time, the continual alteration of
both past and future which is produced by actions in the
present, and the importance of our taking steps today to
choose a future reality in which our species will survive and
flourish. The key to this transformation is contained in the
"Codicils," principles of conduct which are presented in her
previous work "Psychic Politics".
"Emir's Education in the Proper Use of Magical Powers"
by Jane Roberts
$7.95 item 11013-Q
This children's book is also suitable for adults. It shows
our need to make decisions on our own responsibility, the
value of life called death and the oneness of creation-- as
a young prince journeys through the universe.
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| 700.19 | Thanks Bill! | USADEC::CLOUD | Sharing time on the Zen Machine | Fri May 27 1988 13:57 | 1 |
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| 700.20 | Jane & Seth Video | WFOV11::ESCARCIDA | | Thu Jul 21 1988 13:30 | 11 |
| Last week I rented the only known Video done on Jan Roberts and
her husband Robert Butts. In addition to interviewing them both
the video had a segment showing Jane during a Seth channeling session.
It was extremely interesting to see the change in personality as
Seth took over.
I recomend renting it for those who are interested in Jane and Seth
(which I personally believe are one and the same).
Addie
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| 700.21 | Rent the tape, where? | SAGE::BARRY | Sandra J. Barry -BOIS- 264-0187 | Tue Aug 22 1989 14:43 | 15 |
| Where can you rent the video? I live in Littleton MA.
I read the "Nature of Personal Reality" nearly 10 years
ago and found it very interesting; very. I couldn't get
into "Oversoul 7" though.
Seth has since been rekindled, so to speak, in my life because
of what a woman I really did't know said to me last year. I knew that the
woman's husband had died and when I saw her I expressed my
sympathy. She said she's found great peace because of the
comfort she's received from her Seth beliefs. I was shocked because
I've never met anyone who's read any of the material. To further
my shock she said she knows that I'm a believer too...hmmm
I haven't seen this woman since - but it was just so bizarre.
Sandy
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| 700.22 | near by | ATSE::FLAHERTY | Nothing is by chance! | Wed Aug 23 1989 10:02 | 8 |
| Hi Sandy,
You might try the New Moon shop in the Nashua Mall (exit 6).
I know they rent "Lazaris" tapes (who incidently you might want
to look into also), they may have Seth material.
Ro
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| 700.23 | Seth videos | CARTUN::BERGGREN | | Tue Aug 29 1989 15:47 | 18 |
| Re: .21
Sandy,
I recently saw that you can rent Seth videos at Unicorn Bookstore in
Arlington and at Horai-Son in Brookline.
Seth Speaks was my first indoctrination into alternate realities and
such back in 1976. I remember as I read it, I had to put it down every
page or so because the material freaked me out (in a good way), and
somewhere deep inside it rang true.
Anyway, good luck with the videos and the Seth material.
Peace,
Karen
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| 700.24 | The point of power is now! | MUHIS::HSTOECKLIN | | Tue Nov 12 1991 06:52 | 7 |
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...and never forget:
"IF IT IS NOT FUN STOP DOING IT!"
helmut
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| 700.25 | mailing list on Bitnet | MUNICH::HSTOECKLIN | If anything else fails, read instructions! | Mon Oct 04 1993 09:17 | 15 |
|
BTW, there's a mailing list called [email protected]
where Seth and YCOR is discussed.
All you have to do is send a mail to [email protected]
with one simple command in its body:
SUBSCRIBE SETHWORKS 'your-first-name' 'your-last-name'
and then addressing your e-mails or replies to [email protected]
via an internet gateway ( such as DECWRL )
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| 700.26 | | ROYALT::NIKOLOFF | A friend is a Gift | Mon Oct 04 1993 14:03 | 8 |
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If anyone finds a LAZARIS usernet notefile Please, pleaseee
let me know.
thanks,
Mikki
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| 700.27 | should be [email protected] | MUNICH::HSTOECKLIN | If anything else fails, read instructions! | Tue Oct 05 1993 10:47 | 14 |
|
re .25
I'm sorry I made a little mistake:
the e-mail address you should send your subscription to is
DECWRL::"[email protected]"
the account name being listserver(!) not listserv.
DECWRL is an Internet Gateway in Palo Alto; the europeans
should better use VBORMC ( in France ) I think
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| 700.28 | help? | CXDOCS::TAVARES | Have Pen, Will Travel | Tue Jan 18 1994 13:25 | 45 |
| I tried your address, but got the following grief from DECWRL:
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To: cxdocs::tavares
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----- Recipients of this delivery -----
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