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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

679.0. "Group Vision" by GRECO::GADDIS () Thu Mar 24 1988 10:21

   Common or Group Vision 
    
    
    In the books:

	Way of the Shaman by M Harner
	Healing States by A Villodo
	              and S Krippner
	Wizard of the Upper Amazon by F Bruce Lamb
	Rio Tigre and Beyond by F Bruce Lamb

	(to name only a few)

they talk about peoples of the world using certain plant stimulants such as 
the vision vine and the sacred mushrooms in order to obtain a common group 
(tribe or warrior) view of a problem.  They use these plant drugs to help a 
group clearly see the problems one member of the tribe is in growing crops, 
hunting, health problems, etc and then the grow will determine the cure or 
corrective measures needed to resolve the problem.

I am interested in knowing if anyone in this conference has had experience in 
developing group visions without the use of drugs.

Thanks,
peace

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679.1FSLENG::JOLLIMOREFor the greatest good... Thu Mar 24 1988 11:3818
.0 peace

It is my opinion that the sweat lodge ceremony, done properly by a close
group, could achieve this.

As I said a couple of notes back, there's something about 'general-
purpose', large group sweats that doesn't appeal to me. 'Yuppy sweats'
is, I think, how John M. might call them. This is where you show up in
time to enter the lodge and sweat.

My idea of a sweat would be for a group to gather with a particular
purpose in mind; spend an afternoon respectfully and properly preparing
the lodge, stones and fire. Then join prayers in the lodge FOR ONLY
that one particular purpose; praying for a common vision.

I think it's possible. 

Jay
679.2Spirit CanoeFUTURA::MCNULTYa.k.a. GNUVAX::LIBRARIANWed May 11 1988 16:588
    In his seminars on experiential shamanism Michael Harner does a type of
    journey called the 'spirit canoe'. In this, an entire group works
    together to journey together for a common purpose. Check the Interface
    catalog. Michael usually does some seminars through them every year. 
    
    
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