Conference hydra::dejavu

    	Paul,
    
    	Exactly how has she been seeing her grandfather?  During
    	meditations?  In dreams?  While doing regular day-to-day 
    	activities?
    
    						Carla
    	

re: .2

I don't want to get into too much detail here, but she thought
she saw him some distance away out her window.  It would be
pretty easy to put this down to eyestrain, but the resemblance
must've been very strong since she went outside to look for the
person (unsuccessfully).

In the King story, the woman sees various people that she
knew (including her husband) in mundane settings...but the
apparitions never last very long or seem visible to anyone
else.

This is clearly different from having a vision of a relative
at the moment of their death, when the spirit might be "saying
goodbye" to a loved one.  Here and in the story, the person
had been dead for a long time.  I was just wondering if anyone
else (besides King) had heard of this less common phenomenon,
even though there's probably a mundane explanation.

    Some cultures do indeed make this association -- but most do not.
    
    I know of many such occurances, some of them with fair veridical
    content (i.e., containing details which seem to indicate a paranormal
    connection) but there doesn't seem to be any strong connection with
    the experients subsequent death.
    
    A conventional explanation for the experience is that the subconscious
    is trying to bring to conscious recognition something associated
    with the grandfather.  It doesn't have to be terribly direct --
    the subconscious is frequently subtle.  A story told, a place visited,
    or whatever...
    
    A less conventional explanation has much the same consequence. 
    The grandfather is attempting to communicate something, and his
    appearance is sufficient to communicate it.
    
    I would suggest that your friend concentrate on the image as seen
    (clothing worn or posture or whatever might be part of the message)
    and just see what that reminds him/her of.  Write down or sketch
    anything which comes to mind, no matter how irrelevant seeming.
    When finished (and not until finished) he/she should try to relate
    that to their current life.
    
    					Topher

    Funny thing I found this topic, I just spent my entire Saturday
    night talking with my fiancee's family about this.  
    
    There family seems to have had many supernatural experiences.  
    The music go's on by itself on occasions, My fiancee was unable to 
    sleep one night, because everytime he shut off his light, he felt 
    someone sit on the bed next to him, when he turned on the light 
    nothing was there, when he turned it off something sat down again 
    (this went on all night).  There have been tap's on the shoulder
    when no-one's home, and footsteps/soft voices when no one else is
    at home.  The entire family has experienced some of these, and even
    a few guests - except me (sigh).
    
    When my fiancee's brother Jeff was 7 years old, he saw his gradfather
    and great grandmother - they had both died when he was very young
    and therefore he never knew them.
                                    
    Well, here's the story....
    
    One morning my fiancee's mother had to take one of her son's to
    school because he missed his buss.  She left Jeff at home to get
    himself ready for when she came back.  Jeff fell back asleep on
    the living room floor right after she went out the door.  
    
    Sometime later (?) he was awakened by soft slow music and looked
    up to see 2 figures, which he could see through dancing in the
    doorway.  (an older woman in a blue lace dress, and a man in a black
    suit with a white shirt and a drop of blood on the collar) They both 
    looked at him and smiled and kept on dancing.  then Jeff got tapped
    on the shoulder and didn't dare to look behind him.  He crawled
    across the floor and ran to the neighbors house in just his undies.
                              
    When his mother got home he came running from the neighbors - and
    frantically told her the story.  She got out the picture albums
    and had him look to see if anyone in the album was who he had seen.
                                                 
    He pointed out a woman (my fiancee's mothers grandmother) but he
    said the man with her was not the one he had seen today - then he
    flipped the page and pointed out a man (my fiancee's mothers father
    - who had killed himself[explaining the drop of blood on the suit])
    
    My fiancee's mother then proceeded to tell Jeff that he had nothing
    to worry about, that his grandparents had come to watch over him
    while she was away. (she was scared tho - because she had heard
    the same story as in the opening note - and he was leaving that
    weekend to see his father in Florida) 
    
    Thankfully the story about his grandparents coming to take him proved
    false. 
    
    Jeff says to this day he remembers this as if it were yesterday(it's
    been 11 yrs) and is still nervous to be alone in the house at night.
    
    Sc

    
    
    
    The blue lace dress that the woman was wearing, and the black suit
    that the man was wearing - was the clothing they were burried in.
    

	I want to announce an Open House Invitation tonight for all the
	dead. Come one, come all. Refreshments available. No living
	guests allowed. If you are not dead, you can't come.

	I have been waiting for ghosts for a long time. The closest
	thing I came to a ghost was some rats in the basement and
	noises in some creaky houses. I will promise much hospitality.

	Oh yeah and please don't block the driveway. It is the yellow
	split-level on the corner in Worcester, Ma.

	See You All There
	Darryl

    
    Darryl,
    
    So does this mean you'll be serving Spirits?
    
    Cindy

    
    
    My father died last February, this past weekend my mother spoke
    to a cousin of my father.  This person had visited the village in
    Greece where his family and my father come from.  His sister lived
    next door to my fathers house.  She had told him that a week
    before my father died she had a dream of my grandmother (father's
    mother who died five years ago.). She asked my grandmother, What
    are you doing here?  My grandmother said waiting for Jimmy (father's
    name).  
    
    Just a note  My father was not ill, he died of a heart attack
    complete surprise to everyone.  So its not like my fathers cousin
    knew he was going to die.
    
    Any comments?
    
    Kathi