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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

616.0. "Fifth and Sixth force" by CSC32::M_BAKER () Mon Jan 04 1988 19:35

    If there is a topic that already discusses this subject let me know and
    I'll delete this one.  A while back I read an article in either Omni or 
    some science magazine about the discovery of a fifth force that was 
    connected to gravity.  This weekend I read an article in the Denver 
    newspaper that mentioned a sixth force.  One of the these "new" forces 
    is supposed to enhance gravity and the other is supposed to negate 
    gravity.  Does anyone know anything this?  

    Mike
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616.2The Force58087::ALLENTue Jan 05 1988 13:307
    There was an article in either the Boston Globe or Middlesex News
    yesterday, 1-4-88....believe it was on the front page...and 
    something here at Bedford, Ma...just quickly glanced at the article
    will check it out tonite and bring in article...
    
    MCA
    
616.36th Force be with you.....58087::ALLENWed Jan 06 1988 11:045
    Scientists discover a 6th force is with you....Middlesex News Monday,
    January 4, 1988.....
    
    If you'd like a copy I'll send .... send me your name and mail stop..
    
616.4Short, Long, and MediumRSTS32::WAJENBERGCelebrated ozone dwellerWed Jan 20 1988 11:5228
    Re .1
    
    I don't really know much more than has been entered i the topic
    already.  The results of recent versions of the Eotvos experiment have
    been mixed, sometimes showing additional forces, sometimes not.  My
    impressions is that they show the additional forces more often than
    not.
    
    Two points of information:
    
    "Baryon number," for everyday purposes, is the number of protons and 
    neutrons in a given system.  As I recall, the person who dusted off the
    Eotvos experiment theorized that the fifth force was proportional to
    the baryon number of the elements making up the gravitating body.  So
    ten tons of hydrogen would have much less fifth-force pull (or push)
    than ten tones of carbon, which would have less than ten tons of lead.
    
    The other interesting point is that these 5th and 6th forces, if they
    exist, seem to have a range of only a few hundred yards.  This is quite
    unlike the four well-known forces (electromagnetic, gravitational,
    strong nuclear and weak nuclear).  The electromagnetic and
    gravitational forces have, so far as is known, an infinite range. 
    There is no distance they can't reach across, though they grow steadily
    weaker with distance.  The two nuclear forces are essentially contact
    forces -- that is, they operate across atomic-scale distances
    comparable to the width of a proton.
    
    Earl Wajenberg
616.5recent article on 5 & 6 forcesASIC::EDECKDo Your Beltane Shopping Now!Thu Apr 07 1988 16:469
    
    For further reference, there's an article in this month's (April)
    Scientific American on the effects of gravity on antiparticles.
    Covers the fifth and sixth forces, etc.
    
    At this time, experiments are inconclusive (some show the forces,
    some don't), but further tests are proposed.
    
    Ed E. (just passing through)