Conference hydra::dejavu

    In parapsychology this is called a "crises apparition" (although
    in this case it is technically not an apparition since it occured
    during what was clearly a dream -- never-the-less information about
    a crises -- in this case two actual deaths -- was communicated).
    They are not that rare.
    
    This is not at all my area of study but off hand I have never heard
    of a vision of the transition (way-station, portal or whatever you
    wish to call it) being passed on.  It's probably not unheard of,
    but I would guess it to be unusual, since I haven't seen it in my
    casual reading.
    
    I have an alternate explanation to you actually having seen the
    way-station (don't worry I'm not playing big, bad, judgemental
    skeptic).
    
    Frequently, though not always, crises appartions seem to communicate
    reassurance to those contacted (and those in contact with those
    contacted).  I would suggest that as an alternative explanation,
    that you picked up both the message of death and the message of
    reassurance and your subconscious brought those messages to your
    conscious mind in these more specific, comprehensible images.
    
    Or, of course, perhaps you picked up a concrete interpretation of
    where they really were.  Who is to say?  (I hope all of us, someday).
    
    Thank you for sharing that with us, and welcome to DEJAVU.

    Welcome also.
    
    I had a simalar experience about six years ago when my best friend's
    sister was murdered by her husband.  I half napping by a pool half
    the country away, when a familiar women's face kept looking at me
    and talking, but I couldn't hear her.  Two days later when I flew
    back to town, my mother handed me the newspaper.  I still haven't
    figured out why she appeared to me, or why two weeks later she showed
    up in a dream and asked me how her kids were.  We were never that
    close.

   Re: -1

   ...things happen - you are right.  Though we may never understand exactly
   *how* they take place, here are some possibilities of why, based on my
   experience with spirit communication.

   When a person dies, their consciousness is focused on the astral plane, and
   they experience through their astral bodies.  We who are still experiencing
   the physical plane also have astral bodies.  Some of us are *structured* in
   such a way that our connection between our astral body and our physical
   body is *more open*.  This allows us to perceive on the astral plane.  
   Communications with people in the astral world just happens for some people
   here in the physical world.  Others have to work to develop this sensitivity
   and perception.  Another factor that comes into play is our own *energy
   vibration* and that of others.  Those in the astral world will be attracted
   to similar energy vibration of those in the physical world with whom
   they can blend and therefore create a communication link.  Also, if you 
   accept the idea of reincarnation, though you may not have been close in 
   this life, you could have been in others and spiritually may have a bond.


   Carole

RE: .2
    
    As I mentioned in a recent note somewhere in this conference, surveys
    of crises apparation incidents show a preponderance of the cases
    involve communication to an aquaintance rather than to nearest and
    dearest.  The stories that circulate tend to show the opposite pattern.
    
    						Topher
    

    Re:4
    
    I believe it is rare that a recently-deceased person actually comes
    into contact with a "close" loved one for quite some time.  This
    belief is as a result of some books on death and dying (Dionne
    Fortune?) and what has been repeated to me by those left behind.
    It occurs to me that it is probably directly related to the personal
    grief one goes through for a period of time.  Then, it seems, as
    time goes by and one allows more clear energy around themselves,
    the messages come in "hot and heavy".  
    
    Actually, I have had two very definate messages from "beyond", via
    the dream state; both coming to bring me new levels of awareness
    that these people had found.  I was not afraid in either case, because
    it was quite clear to me that it was sent "as a gift".  In either
    case I might have gone on to do something that these people had
    done while on their earthly life, and had now experienced the result
    of that action; therefore, their sharing the experience shifted
    my views and altered my actions.
    
    I have also read that one can offer to work with newly departed
    entities that they know casually, sometimes to get clear messages
    for specific family members.  Many times the new spirit is simply
    confused and needs to be reminded that he/she is safe and all is
    well.  It gives a new dimension to that old feeling of helplessness
    that you experience upon hearing about "untimely" deaths.
    
    Dawna

    Under the topic, "Detecting a Presence", I relate an experience
    I had while temporarily living in Hawaii, which is thousands of
    miles from my Colorado home, in which my grandmother came to "visit"
    me at the same time she died in Rhode Island.  Distance doesn't
    seem to matter; I always *felt* close to my grandmother even though
    I seldom *saw* her, and reactions from my relatives were, in fact,
    jealous.  No one could figure out why she chose me.  #1, I took
    her death in a much less grief-stricken way, in part due to my
    experience, and #2, my mother is my grandmother's only birthed child,
    (2 adopted via marriage later) and I am my mother's (and father's) 
    only child...a direct line from mother to daughter to daughter.
    She came to me where I was, but was anxious to get on to a better
    place, which is where she "said" she was headed.  I felt very secure
    and happy for her, because she was away from a body that caused
    her a lot of pain, and her true inner nature of beauty was freed.
    I still don't feel that she has "died"; in a sense, she has been
    with me since that day, just as we were linked when she was alive,
    even though miles separated us.

RE: .6
    
    Funny you should bring that up.  Last night I was lying in bed and
    was about to drift off to sleep when, out of the blue, I began to think
    about my grandmother and all of the joy and love she brought me and my
    relatives.  Today my brother called to tell me that she died last
    night. 
                                                     
    John M.

    re: -.1
       Sorry for your loss.  How great that you have such fine 
    memories of her.  How nice that her energy was (seemingly)
    able to reach you as she moved on.
     
    Frederick
    

.7 John

I hope the memory of her continues to bring joy and love to you and your
relatives.

Jay

    
    
    John,
    
    What a beautiful way for you both to have said farewell to one
    another.
    
    When my mother died 14 years ago, a friend sent me a card with
    the following saying on the front, and I'd like to share it with
    you.
    
          "She lived....
           a brought with her a bit of beauty, peace and love.
           And now...
           her life will ever be reflected in your heart."    
    
    Peace,
    
    Carole

    My deepest sympathies John.  Our thoughts are with you.
    Mary

RE: .7
    
    John, my condolances.  I wish I knew some way to communicate the
    sincerity of those words in this case -- it is unfortunate that
    mechanical politness has usurped the words of true sympathy.
    
    For someone else I might wait to ask this question but I am sure
    that you, of all people in this conference, will understand the
    reason for this question and understand that it is not asked
    heartlessly.
    
    Were you expecting her death imminently?
    
    					Topher

RE: Last several

Thanks to you all for the kind words.


RE: .12 (Topher)

>    Were you expecting her death imminently?  <

Seems like a valid question to me.  The answer is yes and no.  My grandmother
was 88 and frail, though not ill with any catastrophic disease.  She lived
with my Aunt and, but for her arthritis, would have been quite mobile. 
She suffered a minor heart attack last year.

Last December, she told us quite frankly that she believed she would die
this year.  My cousin is getting married in March and my grandmother said
she would hold out until after the wedding.  My grandmother has always had
a lot of insight, so I assumed that she would probably die this year. I
really didn't think it would happen before March, though.  Guess the Grim
Reaper had other plans!

Unlike with my mother's death, I was more or less prepared for my grandmother's
death, which makes things much easier emotionally.  I am very sad for my
cousin, however, because I know how much she wanted my Grandmother to be
at her wedding.  One good thing: My grandmother's memory was *amazingly*
acute.  She could name the most obscure relatives.  Last December I sat
down with her and we poured through old photographs, many of which are from
the 1800s.  I brought a taperecorder and recorded the family history.  I
also made a family tree.  Am I glad I did that!  I urge my fellow DEJAVUers
to do the same if you have elderly relatives. It is a gift only they can
give and will make both them and you happy.

John M.

    
    Re: .7
    
    John, 
    
    I'm very sorry to hear of your grandmother's passing...
    
    Much love & light to you, your grandmother, and your family....
    
    Linda