Conference hydra::dejavu

    I don't have my 21st Century ephemeris here with me today, but I
    can look it up.  (I did once, and the actual precession of the Vernal
    Point into Aquarius does not actually occur until well into the
    next century.)  I'll look up the exact date tonight.
    
    If what you might be wondering is: if the true Age of Aquarius
    (astronomically speaking) doesn't start until well into the next
    century, why is everybody going off the deep end about it now?
    I don't have a concrete answer.  But my speculations are as follows:
    
    	o the sign Aquarius is ruled by the planet Uranus, which is
    	  famous as a "quickener" of events.  In observing my own
    	  Uranus transits, I've noticed that a Uranus-related event
    	  almost always _precedes_ the actual aspect coming into
    	  orb.  Given this possible effect, it's no surprise to me
    	  that people are "anticipating" the Aquarian Age so soon,
    	  especially those with powerful Aquarius or Uranus energy
    	  in their charts.
    
    	o the Vernal Point is now at about 5 degrees Pisces.  To
    	  digress for a moment, when the Sun is 5 degrees below the
    	  horizon, we see daylight, even though it has not cleared
    	  the horizon.  But it is still dawn, and there's enough
    	  light to see by, to navigate by.  So perhaps this psycho-
    	  logical effect operates to a certain extent in the transition
    	  between Ages; it hasn't yet officially "dawned" but we can
    	  see what's coming.
    
    Anyway, I'll look up the exact year tonight.
    
    Marcia

    Thanx Marcia,
    
    I think we are all tired of Picean energies for now so perhaps we're
    rushing it in just alittle bit.. B^)

    Another interesting point I muse on is why the old Ages do not pass
    quietly into the next.  There is possibly an astrological meaning 
    to this; the first 2 and 1/2 degrees of any sign is considered to
    be the most potent, and contain the full essence, or force, of that
    sign's energy.
    
    Now think about the fact that the Vernal Point _pre_cesses, that
    is, moves backward through the signs.  This means that as an Age
    ends, it's being infused with perhaps its most pure, potent energy.
    Is it any wonder, then, that as an Age draws to a close, the people
    most connected to its energy will feel empowered as never before,
    will fight the dawn of change?  It certainly won't _feel_ like a
    time for a consciousness shift to them; it will feel more like "If
    we can just last through this time, then our pure energy that we
    feel so strongly in the present will be established forever."  (Sound
    like much of the fundamentalist rhetoric that one hears these days?)
    
    I think that this psychology can lead to all sorts of horrible
    behavior.  The ones who feel strongly that _their_ Age is finally
    really coming into its own and that it can endure forever often
    torture and try to obliterate the prophets and avatars of the Age
    to come.  And because the people who embrace the New Age have entered
    it in a climate of torture and coercion, when their time comes to
    bow out they tend to treat the next prophets and avatars of the
    next Age the same way they were treated when their Age was being
    born.  Like the beaten child who becomes him/herself a child beater.
    
    If there's anything that it might be vital to examine on this dawn
    of the next Age, it's ways to interrupt or reform the energy of
    this particular cycle I mentioned above.  I think the _real_ proof
    of the much-touted spiritual/consciousness advancements of the Aquarian
    Age will be some 2K years from now, when that Age gives way to the
    Age of Capricorn.  How will those prophets and avatars be treated?
    How will that transition be handled?  That could show, I feel, how
    "far" we've _really_ come.
        
    Marcia

    
    Your point about the seeming energy/power of those who hold on
    to the old age is well taken - think, for example, of the priests
    and elders of the Age of Aries the Ram - (the Old Testament world
    of Judaism) who fought the coming of the faith symbolised by the
    fish (Christianity). And before that, the persecution of the 
    tribes of Israel, with the icon of their faith - the ram, in
    direct opposition to the religions of the Bull (Babylon, Assyria,
    Egypt, Minoan Crete).
    
    There is an excellent, now out of print book entitled "Hamlet's
    Mill" by Hertha von Dechend (published by the MIT press in the 
    early seventies) that looks at the relationship between astronomy
    and astrology from the standpoint of myth - and the importance of
    those myths to the cultures that created them.  Reading the book
    gives one insight into how we are now creating the myths that
    will survive us milennia from now.
    
    
    Gloria
    

    Reply to .3; Marcia,
    
    Great thoughts! I wish more people could view things in a geologic
    type mode and, then, put themselves into someone elses shoes in
    the far distant past or future.
    
    Reply to .4; Bates,
    
    Astronomy came from astrology and astrology in some cases, created
    mythology, although mythology (spiritual history) came before either.

    

    Re .5:
    
    Most assuredly, myth contains the essence of so-called 
    primitive peoples' observations of their environment -
    not just that of the heavens above them, but also of 
    the world around them and of natural phenomena for which 
    these peoples (worldwide) sought explanations. 
    
    Just as certainly, we are creating myths of our own - 
    although we may call them something other than myths.
    
    -Gloria