Conference hydra::dejavu

    
    
    Hi Joe,
    
    Have you ever looked into numerology?  I know there is a note in
    here somewhere where this was discussed in more detail.  In numerology
    it is assumed that the soul chooses their own name with cooperation
    from the parents, and that the letters of the name correspond to
    numbers.  When these numbers are reduced to single digits (except for 
    11 and 22), you have the soul urge vibration, the expression vibration 
    and the quiet self vibration.  You can even create charts that trace 
    the physical, emotional and spiritual influences over the years of
    your life, and do some forecasting into the future.
    
    The one area that I found numerology to be very useful is in the
    case of twins.  I have twin nephews who were born 5 minutes apart.
    There astrological birth charts are almost identical, however they
    exhibit some very different characteristics.  These differences
    showed up using numerology.  If you have an interest in this area,
    I would suggest picking up some books on the subject.  Two that
    I remember are "Your Days Are Numbered" and "The Numbers of Life"
    (sorry, I don't remembers the authors but I can check at home 
    tonight).
    
    Carole
    

    And let's not forget "A Man Named Sue" (or was it "A Boy ...").
    
    					Topher

    Without numerology, some aspects ofg names are interesting.  For
    instance, some names have explicit meanings (e.g., "Dorothy" means
    "Gift from God,"  "Fletcher" means "arrowmaker," and so forth) and
    some people deliberately name their children to follow the meanings
    of those names.  If you're interested in that aspect of names,
    periodically someone publishes a book full of names and their meanings
    (some of the "name the baby" books do this).
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    RE: .1
    
    	The author of "Numbers of Life" is Ken Avery.  I've retired
    at least two editions of that text, since he first published it.
      I use "Numbers of Life" as Quick reference because of it's 
    extensive coverage of the topic.
         
    I can furnish a source for this manual if so desired.
    
    
    Ernie
    

    Re: .3
    
    I remember the excitement of finding that names had meanings when
    I was 10 years old.  I eagerly looked up mine, and was dismayed
    to find that Marcia is a feminine derivation for the name of the
    god of war (Mars = Marcus = Mark = Marcia).  My given middle name
    is Louise, a feminine version of Louis, which also means "a bold
    warrior".  Add to that the fact that I was born on a Tuesday, the
    day of the week ruled by Mars (the French for Tuesday is "Mardi",
    or Mars' Day), and I was beginning to wonder if I should have been
    born male!
    
    However, if what my mother subconsciously intended was to give me
    strength to survive, well, my names have certainly given me that
    in full measure.
    
    I recently (a few years ago actually) discovered a name that suddenly
    resonated in my consciousness and I decided that this would be my
    soul name.  Not only did it have a meaning reflecting a special
    female perspective, but also reduced numerologically to the number
    of my birth date.  I'm not sure whether or not to ever come forth
    and call myself by this name in public.  I would love to someday
    be known as who I really feel I am, rather than a hammer-wielding
    warrior.  :-)
    
    Marcia Louise

    I rather like the idea of being a "hammer welding warrior" Marcia.
    Want to trade names?_:-)
    Mary

RE: .5,.6
    
    "Hammer wielding [or welding as the case may be :-)] warrior" is
    a great phrase, but it doesn't refer to Marcia = Mars.  It was the
    Norse storm-god Thor rather than the Greek war god Mars who carried
    the hammer.  I've seen Mars portrayed with sword, shield and spear
    but never hammer.  The traditional correspondent for Mars within
    the Norse pantheon is Tier the Swordsman (hence Tuesday from Tier's
    day for the latenate Mar's day).
    
    Thor as storm god and leader (their were two competing versions
    of the Norse mythology, what has survived has had Odin as chief
    but, judging from evidence like place names and runic inscriptions,
    the Thor branch was more common) corresponds to Jupiter (as recorded
    in the names of the days of the week).
    
    						Topher

    I always thought my name was very appropriate:  Deborah
    was a judge in Israel (I hope I have the right country!),
    which is nice since I am a Libra-justice.
    
    As a side-note, my father was rather taken aback when he
    arrived at the hospital and found that my mom had already
    named me!  
    
    My full name and birthday break down to the same number
    numerologically....
    
    
                               Deb
    
    P.S.  I named my black standard poodle, sight-unseen, after
          King Arthurs sister:  Morgan le Fay-a black fairy or
          black elf...fits her to a T  (we call her "the princess")
    
     

    I remember being disgusted when I found out that my first name
    meant "Grace" -- this was obviously false to fact.  My middle
    name my mother made up.  In college, I found that I could argue
    that, in Chinese, my name meant "Judge" or "Justice", which
    pleased me, since I too am a Libra.
    
    							Ann B.
    
    P.S.  The name of my subconscious is something like Zharis, which
    is a rather odd thing to know without being sure of.

RE: .6

Marcia, if it makes you feel any better, Athena is often portrayed
with a helmet, shield, and spear, and she is a goddess.  Therefore....


John M.

RE: .7,
    
    
    Here in Norway,we have one day named after the Norse god TOR,(not
    THOR),the day is named TORSDAG(thursday).
    We also have TIRSDAG(tuesday),that like mentioned in reply .8,seems
    to have connection with TIER the swordsman.....
    
    
    Svein Nordrum (the viking :-) )
     	    
        

    Oh boy... we've got a Viking among us... _:-).  
    Can you tell us about Runes?  I've developed an interest in them
    of late.
    Mary

    re .12,
    
    		I don't have much knowledge about the Runes,but at least
    	I can tell you this;
    
    	The Runes were the runic letters in the ancient germanic alphabet,
    	it was moulded from the greek and latin letters,and is known
   	from around the third century.
  	I think the runic alphabet was named FUTHARK...  
    	I saw that the norse god Odin was mentioned in this conference;
    	in the ancient times there were some special places here in
    	Scandinavia,where men and animals were sacrificed by beeing
    	hanged upon the sacred trees.The human victims dedicated to
    	Odin were regularly put to death by hanging or a combination
    	of hanging and stabbing,the man being strung up to a tree or
    	a gallows and then wounded with a spear.
    	Hence Odin was called the Lord of the Gallows or the god of
    	the hanged,and he is represented sitting under a gallows tree.
    	Indeed he is said to have been sacrifised to himself in the
    	ordinary way,as one can learn from the weird verses of the
    	H�vam�l,in which the god describes how he aquired his devine
    	power by learning the magic runes:
    
    		'I know that I hung on the windy tree
    		 For nine whole nights,
    		 Wounded with the spear,dedicated to Odin,
    		 Myself to myself.'
    
    	Talking about the runes...,it is said that the Vikings(Leif
    	Eiriksson) were the first to "discover" America.
    	About 40-50 years ago a rune stone (stone with runic inscriptions)
    	was found somewhere in the states,don't remember where..
    	The historians were of course exited,thinking that this was
    	the final proof for that the Vikings really were the first to
    	"discover" America.But upon further investigations,it turned
    	out to be that the runic stone was just a fraud...(someone must
    	have had a really good laugh :-)  )
    
    	Svein Nordrum
    
    	
  

    On names ... I've always felt uncomfortable with my name.  I often
    don't register when someone calls to me, because I "forget" that
    that is my name.  Weird?  I've wondered if I'm subconsciously rejecting
    the 33 (numerological), because I don't know if I can handle the
    burden, or if this is a carry-over from a former life ... 
    
    Recently a friend was regressed into a life where we were also friends,
    and alas, my first name was the same then as now.  
    
    Anybody have any ideas?
    

    
    re: .14
    
    >  ...the 33 (numerological),....
    
    The only numbers that I know of in numerology that are almost always
    used as double digits are 11 and 22 - these are master numbers.
    However, when these numbers come up for a person in their name or
    date of birth, there is a possibility of reducing them to their
    single digits of 2 and 4 if the person is not able to work with
    them on their higher vibration.
    
    I have never seen the 33 left as a double digit - it should always
    be reduced to 6.
    
    Carole
    

    One of my references indicated that the number "33" is the number
    of Jesus.  I can't remember how they derived this at the moment.
    As a higher octave of the "6" it would seem to indicate that the
    energy is available  for a larger scale  responsibility toward 
    mankind.  Look at the responsibility that Jesus took upon himself.
    It seems from my references that numerologist believe that the chances
    of someone living up to the full potential of "33" is virtually
    non-existent, thus don't consider the "33" as an attainable number.
    i can understand why. I've known only one person who has that
    life path number, Although she didn't live up the the energies of
    the 33, she definitely was the martyr.  Perhaps the energy is only
    available to the personality of one who is born about every 2000
    years.  I personally like to believe that an opportunity has been
    given to .14 and others to utilize the energy to lead mankind closer
    to spiritual awareness.  If 6 is the number of the leader, 33 as
    a higher octave, would have the potential of leading mankind in
    some higher direction. This would be on a very large scale.  No wonder
    one would hesitate to live up to that number. To live up to the
    potential of Jesus as a messiah, not to mention as the Christ would
    be an awsome responsibility.  Thus it probably is easier to live
    the life as a 6 at the lower energy level.
                 
     
    

    Whew ... thanks.  I knew somebody out there would understand.  Also
    being a Pisces (with four planets there as well as my sun), it's
    been kind of floaty ... I touch on the 33 every once in while and
    then hurry back to the nice, safe 6.
    
    Point of interest: one of my sisters is also a "33" -- but a few
    years back she legally changed her name to an easier vibrational
    number and moved to Hawaii ....
    
    C.
    
    

    
    re: .16
    
    Would you be able to give me the name of the text that deals with
    "33"?  I would be very interested in learning more about it.
    
    Thanks much,
    
    Carole
    

    33 is supposed to be the number of ascended masters.  Someone with
    this as a name number is very fortunate indeed.  I have a text that
    deals briefly with this subject.  I believe it is _Helping yourself
    with Numerology_.
    
    I've never run accross a 33...
    
    Elizabeth
    

    I started this reply at home last night but the session crashed
    completely.  Let see if I can pick up my train of thought.
    	The first reference to the Octave 33 is in a reference titled:
    "NUMBERS WILL TELL", A TEMPO STAR BOOK; Distributed by Ace books
    Grosset & Dunlap publishers, New York, New York 10010 Author :Gerun
    Moore.
    	Chapter nine, page 44 attempts to show how the numbers 3,6 and
    9 are significant in Jesus life. There is a reference to Matthew
    1:23 in which is stated that  Jesus is named Emmanuel which adds
    up to the higher octave 33 but only if the ancient chaldean alphabet
    is used.  What I've learned is that the letters of the name comprise
    the "tools" ar aspects of personality we are born with to make the
    path of life (birthdate) easy or difficult to follow.  Changing
    our name doesn't change our path of life we chose (since the birthdate
    cannot be changed), only our attitudes toward that chosen path.
    In other words we cannot change the path we are on just the tools
    that we have to work with on our path of life.  Following through
    with this, Jesus was mentally prepared to lead mankind to a higher
    spiritual path. I just wonder if his actual birthdate added up to
    33, indicating that this was the external influences that he set
    up for himself.  Most references indicate that when the path of
    life and other significant numbers, such as Expression are the same,
    that that individuals live will run much smoother. (Not implying
    that Jesus Had it easy).
    
    	The second reference to the number 33 is in a reference titled
    "MANY THINGS ON NUMEROLOGY" subtitled 'controversies & questions'
    by Juno Jordan  published by Devorss & Company, P.O. Box 550
    Marina del Rey, California 90291  C 1981
   	There is a chapter titled  "The '33' . This chapter explains
    that the 6 is the final outcome of the 33 but the added self
    expression and creativity is an additional opportunity.  Whereas
    the 6 represents responsibility and leadership, the octave 33
    representsthe "minister" and humanitarian.  know that whether a
    6 or a 33 that the test of justice must be met.  the 33 will be
    presented with the opportunity on a much larger scale.
         
    Now, my path of life adds up to 44. I wonder what's in store for
    me?
    
    Ernie