Conference hydra::dejavu

    
    
    Yes.
    
    I have been very emotional for the past week, and a number of 
    important issues have come to the surface and been "illuminated".
    Also, night before last I was awake from 3 to 4:30 and during that
    time received some valuable guidance from my guides and had a
    very special dream when I finally got back to sleep.  Last night's 
    dreams were extremely clear as well.
    
    Carole
    

    	I have too.
    
    	It coincides with an incredible openness that I've never
    	experienced with such intensity. 
    
    	I run every morning at 5:30 and the moon this morning was
    	so powerful I felt I could reach out my hand and touch it...
    
    	Carla
    

    There was a partial eclipse last night, anyone see it.
    (I looked around 10-11pm, but didn't notice anything)
    
    Dave

    re .0 and .1  (Joe and Carole)
     
    Are you able to tell us about what been happening?  What information you
    may have been given? ... or is it of a personal nature.

    Re .3:
    
    The eclipse was a "penumbral" one.  The shadow of the earth actually
    has two components, because the sun has a disk (from the earth or
    moon, the sun's width occupies about 1/2 degree in the sky -- as
    does the moon seen from the earth's surface).  Now the earth's shadow
    thus forms a cone of "total" darkness where it fully covers the
    sun's disk, and an area where the earth covers a portion of the
    sun, producing an area of _reduced intensity_ of sunlight, but not
    darkness.  The "totally dark" area is called the "umbra"; the area
    of reduced light, the "penumbra."  In a penumbral eclipse, the moon
    slips into the region of reduced light without intercepting the
    cone of the umbra and (thus) being nearly fully extinguished.  If
    you looked _closely_ at the moon around 11:30 EDT (as I did), you'd
    have seen a slight uneveness of lighting across the lunar disk,
    with one side slightly darker than the other.  That was about all
    you could see of the eclipse.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    That's what I saw. It was really neat, I went out to look at about
    11:15 and there was a thin layer of clouds and I couldn't tell if
    the darker part was because of the clouds or the eclipse. Then I
    went out again just after 11:30 and the sky had totally cleared.
    There wasn't much but it was noticeable.
    							Geoff

    
    I also stayed up to see the eclipse, playing match after match of
    pinochle to stave off sleep.
    
    We won.
    
    Tananda
    

    Re .7:
    
    >We won.
    
    See?  Virtue is its own reward. :-D
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    
    
    Hi Mary,
    
    Thanks for asking and being interested.  What transpired for me
    was some guidance with personal issues I've been working on.
    
    C.
    

        I have had a few interesting dreams this past two nights.
    Two nights ago one of my dreams gave me a very strong message
    about colors...i.e., that colors are very important in our lives.
    I don't remember the details but I do remember the color gray.
        Last night I had a dream (I swear this is true) about seeing
    the woman's breasts who wears the size 38A bra mentioned in a
    note from yesterday.  Interesting breasts, that's all I remember
    about that one.
        The last couple of days have seen quite a few vaxmail notes
    from/to DEJAVU noters.  Also, money matters are very complex for
    me at this moment.  Everything else that comes to mind is rather
    status quo.
      
    Frederick
    

    
    Previous full moons have been followed by frequent and odd machine
    failures at SDC media production, so I'll report what happens as
    the moon wanes...some of this could be ascribed to stupid operator
    tricks, but the techs & I expect increased demand for our services
    each time the moon is full...this time we have the added influence
    of Jupiter to contend with I suppose, I think the light I see in
    the west is Venus, so, let's see what happens...
    
    It is my suspicion that the gravitational effects may be secondary
    to ionic effects from the solar wind...Anything with a large magnetic
    field creates a bow wave and ionic 'vacuum' in it's solar shadow.
    Perhaps some of the more complex and sensitive systems, such as
    human life and large computers are randomly affected by the changes
    from coincident alterations in these ambient fields?
    
    Anyway, I've been a Quality Engineer for 5 years and I expect to
    be busy.....watch this space for developments........MWR
    

    	You ought to put that story in the TAMARA::WAR_STORY Conference.
    
    	Press KP7 or SELECT to add it to your Notebook.
    
    	Larry
    

    This morning we found that our ink-jet labeler would not operate,
    one adjustment on air pressure was so far off the machine could
    not have functioned...this would indicate some operator felt
    compelled to mess with places they weren't trained...and also
    did not leave a note.  One of the MST diskette replication systems
    had a dead power supply this AM also, and we found that all the
    spares were bad, so we cannibalized one from an idle machine.
    In my periodic audit of TU77 drives today, I also found three
    which are down.
    
    As to TAMARA::WAR_STORY, I've read that & will enter some int-
    eresting failures which have since been explained, but prefer to
    enter here that which we do not understand...I have long since
    stopped doing any planned work at full moon time so I can handle
    the unexpected failures.......mwr
    

    Well here is the waning moon again.   We've had the usual oddities
    of media getting stuck in duplicators just as we're about to
    leave second shift to their own devices.  Jams that require
    dis-assembly of the equipment to free up a floppy...and of course
    the head crashes.  Several RL02 drives required new heads last
    week, and this week two more CDC hard disks crashed, that is one
    crashed and stupid operator tricks put the bad packs back into
    another drive....Thats' $3,000 for outside repair services folks.
    
    An addition to last months' SDC media note, the ink-jet also had
    a 400 volt line in the print head shorted.  We can't figure out
    how someone did that without getting a bad shock...MWR
    

    I don't pretend to know much about the moon and its cycles, but if we
    stop and think about how much water is in our bodies, coupled with the
    fact that the tides are controlled by the moon, isn't that an
    interesting way to view ourselves being controlled by the moon?
    
    Molly

    The link between the moon and the tides is the moon's gravity. This is
    also influenced to a lesser extent by the sun's gravity. However this
    would only effect us by making us a fraction heavier or lighter about
    twice a day. The only really noticeable effect is one from which lunatic
    derives its name, that is, the sight of a full moon tends to make those
    who have some mental illness temporarily worse.

    Jamie.

    re: .16,
    	I've seen this debunked so many times that I had stopped
    	giving credibility to articles about it.  But then I saw something
    	that made me wonder.  Is there any *possibly* of a magnetic tie,
    	or is the magnetic field of the moon unmeasureably weak from the
    	earth ?
    
	I remember seeing recently that there is some
    	controversial evidence for interesting _magnetic_ effects on neural 
    	tissue behavior ...
    
Science, Vol 260, #5114 (11 June, '93); p1590,  Richard A. Kerr
    
|   From before birth until death, the human brain is bathed in magnetic
|   fields.  Earth itself generates a pervasive field, and human technology
|   adds electromagnetic fields from devices ranging from high-tension
|   power lines to hair dryers.  Does the brain respond to these subtle
|   fields?  The notion that humans can perceive magnetic fields, as homing
|   pigeons seem to do, has remained more than a little controversial
|   (Science, 15 May, 1992, p967).  Also controversial is the possibility,
|   posed by a few epidemiological studies, that electromagnetic fields
|   might cause cancer, in the brain and other tissues.  But now a pair of
|   geophysicists, taking a break from studying magnetism in rocks, may
|   have cast some light into this confusion.
|
|   Working with neurosurgeon Hans Wieser at University Hospital in Zurich,
|   Michael Fuller of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Jon
|   Paul Dobson of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology have measured
|   what seems to be a distinct physiological response tin human brains
|   exposed to weak magnetic fields.  The study says nothing about the
|   alleged dangers of such fields, and it has its share of caveats -- from
|   a small sample size to the not entirely normal brains involved.
|   Furthermore, the study hasn't been vetted by the full community of
|   researchers who study the subject, since details have not spread beyond
|   last month's meeting of the American Geophysical Union.  Still, some
|   researchers in human magnetoreception are intrigued.  Says Andrew Marino
|   of the Louisiana State University Medical Center in Shreveport: "It
|   [sounds like] a very interesting observation and merits following up."
|
|   The Zurich researchers aren't the first to look for brain responses to
|   magnetic fields.  But in earlier studies, researchers listened in on
|   subjects' brain activity through scalp electrodes, and the results were
|   inconclusive.  During a chance meeting, however, Fuller learned of a
|   more promising possibility,  Fuller, who has had a long and prominent
|   career studying the record of Earth's changing magnetic field, was on a
|   sabbatical at the Zurich institute and, with Dobson, was interested in
|   looking into human magnetoreception.  Over coffee an institute
|   colleague suggested they contact Wieser, as specialist in the treatment
|   of epilepsy.  Wieser, the colleague said, would have just the technical
|   setup they needed.
|
|   What Wieser had were patients with electrodes inserted into their
|   brains as a first step in treating epileptic symptoms that had not
|   responded to drug treatment.  The only recourse for these patients is
|   surgical removal of small portions of the brain (usually in the
|   hippocampus) that generate the storms of brain activity responsible for
|   their seizures.  The electrodes are crucial to precisely locating the
|   regions requiring excision.  Coincidentally, Fuller and Dobson
|   realized, they could serve as particularly sensitive monitors of any
|   physiological activity elicited by a magnetic field.
|
|   Working with Wieser, Fuller and Dobson enclosed each patient's head in
|   a pair of direct-current coils that generate a magnetic field of 1 to 2
|   milliteslas.  Such fields are 100 times stronger than Earth's,
|   approaching the strength of fields induced by household appliances,
|   says Fuller.  To their surprise, all three patients tested so far showed
|   an apparent response to the induced magnetic field.
|
|   The first patient had a total of 25 bursts of epileptiform --
|   epilepsy-like -- activity during the 10-second periods after the field
|   came on, compared with only three during the preceding 10-second
|   periods.  The second patient's counts were none before and 15 after.
|   The third patient had had no bursts of activity during 2 full days of
|   monitoring, but activity began within seconds of applying the field.
|
|   These preliminary results "do seem to indicate that we have induced
|   some epileptiform activity," says Dobson.  However, "the physiological
|   mechanism is something we don't understand yet."  The researchers
|   speculate that the magnetic field could be triggering activity
|   directly, by changing the flow of ions through nerve cell membranes, or
|   indirectly, perhaps by way of the microscopic bits of the mineral
|   magnetite recently found in human brains (Science, 15 May 1992, p967).
|   Both mechanisms, however, fail to explain the roughly 5-second delay
|   seen between the onset of the field and the first bursts of activity.
|
|   Still, says Fuller, "I don't think this is an artifact."  He adds that
|   "even if it is, it's a beneficial one."  Neurosurgeons now have to
|   monitor epilepsy patients for days or even weeks, waiting for the
|   problem area in the brain to reveal itself, but by triggering activity
|   with a magnetic field, doctors might be able to track down the key area
|   in a few minutes.  And if the effect does hold up, it could offer
|   insights into how our brains, like those of navigating birds, might
|   "feel" the unseen magnetic fields that surround us from birth to death.
    

    As far as I remember the moon hardly has any iron and consequently no
    magnetic field. But even if it had the effect on the Earth would kick
    in about twice a day, and the only effects that we seem to be able to
    notice are on a monthly cycle.

    Jamie.

    re: .18,
    	So, this is a dead-end line of thought, apparently,
    	unless monthly gravitational shifts could somehow
    	influence the earth's magnetic field, which also seems 
    	unlikely (?).
    						todd	

    How does the Moon cause a monthly gravitational shift on the Earth?
    
    Jamie.

    
    what are ocean tides?
    

    
    Is that a trick question, Wal?  
    
    Cindy

    re: .20,
    Oh, I don't know.  It doesn't make sense to me, either,
    I was just wondering whether there is any possibility of gravitational and 
    magnetic fields interacting in some sense.  Totally ignoring for the
    moment the problem of finding a monthly gravitational correlate 
    to the full moon.
    
    Just an idle thought based on complete ignorance of the subject ...
    
    							todd

    
    if there are no gravitational forces from the moon, then why are there
    high tides during full moons? if there are gravitational forces, would
    there also not be magnetic forces? can a sphere have gravity without
    magneticity?

    There are gravitational forces, but they are not on a monthly cycle.
    While the known effects on lunatics faithfully follows the phase of the
    moon, which is a monthly cycle.

    >can a sphere have gravity without magneticity?                       

    All matter attracts all other matter, we call this gravity. Not all
    objects are magnetic. The Earth has a high percentage of iron in its
    makeup and thus has a weak magnetic field. The Moon is almost devoid of
    iron and, as far as I remember, has no magnetic field.

    The shape, in this case a sphere, has nothing to do with it.

    Jamie.

    
    the Sun has no iron in its core yet it has gravitation and magneticity.
    
    perhaps the fact that the moon's equidistance from the Sun and Earth,
    in regards to its being seen as the same size as the Sun (eclipses),
    makes the moon either a focusing lens, or a reflector, for the Sun's
    magnetic ions/fields of force. such a disturbance, mould either block
    out most of the magnetic fields, or increase them. imagine three rocks
    in a river's stream. the three rocks are the three planets. as the
    middle rock revolves around the outermost rock, the water will get
    diverted. it'll probably help if you induce red vegetable dye into
    the stream. the ions, hitting the ozone at different angles and
    velocities, perhaps saturating the ozone layer, causes different
    levels of ions to be released into the atmo-sphere. these ions would
    then cause our emotions to change. (like negative ions before a 
    lightening storm, and positive ions afterwards).
    
    

    Wal,
    That's an interesting train of thought.
    Is there reason to believe that the moon is in a particular
    relation to both earth and sun every full moon ?
    
    Clearly, the sun has electromagnetic effects on the
    earth, in addition to the obvious light and heat.
    The radiation bursts from sunspots, for example.
    
    Just in general, it seems to me that magnetic fields do not necccessarily 
    require iron, that they can arise from a moving charge in any media, to
    a greater or lesser degree.  
    
    						kind regards,
    
    						todd

    >the Sun has no iron in its core yet it has gravitation and magneticity.
    
    Everything has a gravitational attraction. The Sun is a natural
    thermo-nuclear reaction and emits on most of the electro magnetic
    frequency band. 

    The Moon is inert, it has only a gravity field.

    >perhaps the fact that the moon's equidistance from the Sun and Earth,
    >in regards to its being seen as the same size as the Sun (eclipses),
    
    An eclipse is only visible from a minute part of the Earth's surface and
    the illusion that they are the same size is of no significance.

    >makes the moon either a focusing lens, or a reflector, for the Sun's
    >magnetic ions/fields of force. such a disturbance, mould either block
    >out most of the magnetic fields, or increase them. imagine three rocks
    >in a river's stream. the three rocks are the three planets. as the
    >middle rock revolves around the outermost rock, the water will get
    >diverted. it'll probably help if you induce red vegetable dye into
    >the stream. the ions, hitting the ozone at different angles and
    >velocities, perhaps saturating the ozone layer, causes different
    >levels of ions to be released into the atmo-sphere. these ions would
    >then cause our emotions to change. (like negative ions before a 
    >lightening storm, and positive ions afterwards).
    
    Actually most of the solar wind is diverted by the Earth's fields, but
    there seems to be no similar diversion for the Moon.

    As I remember one of the Moon missions reported that there was no
    magnetic field on the Moon.

    Consider the following. The Moon orbits the Earth roughly every 28 days
    and during this time we see it go from completely shadowed to full and
    back to completely shadow again, when it is full lunatics tend to get
    worse. But during these 28 days the earth has turned 28 times exposing
    everyone to the Moon 28 times.

    Were it just the Moon's presence in the sky we would expect the
    lunatics to react roughly once a day, but they don't.

    So the Moon's gravitational field makes us appear slightly heavier or
    lighter depending on its position in the sky at any time, and that is
    about it. Mind you you would require very accurate scales to measure
    the difference.

    Jamie.                                              

    
    if the moon has only a gravity field, won't it attract/repel magnetic
    forces from the sun, a la Black Hole theory?
    
    personally, i believe that the full moon is just conditioning from
    prehistoric times. when the moon wasn't there man was afraid. when the
    moon was full, man went out and killed enough to have meat for 28
    days. (yeah, and where did they keep the refrigerator?). so the next
    question is, do animals exhibit the same symptoms as man, during a 
    full moon? and what farmer doesn't plant during a new moon, and expect
    a full, ripe crop during a full moon? what do farmers know that we
    don't?
    

    >if the moon has only a gravity field, won't it attract/repel magnetic
    >forces from the sun, a la Black Hole theory?
    
    Quite right, as the Moon is not magnetic, or for that matter
    para-magnetic, no other magnetic field really influences it.

    Many animals react to a full moon, this is usually attributed to the
    extra light provided.

    As the Moon was one of the most obvious bodies in the sky, and its
    orbit was about 28 days it was a convenient form of rough calendar in
    earlier times. Thus people would tend to regulate their lives from it
    for planting and so forth. In fact the date that Easter falls on is
    still calculated from the position of the moon.

    I have never noticed British farmers never planting during a new Moon,
    this must be an American custom.

    Jamie.