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| 518.1 | if it's good, it's worth waiting for | ERASER::KALLIS | Make Hallowe'en a National holiday. | Tue Oct 06 1987 16:37 | 17 |
| Cindy,
> ...Apparently he had gone to a seminar called "Insight"
>and it has "changed his life". He is happier than he has ever been
>in his life and is trying to get me to go to the seminar as well.
...
>...................Unfortunately when I ask him any detailed questions,
>he says that "I can't tell you about that." ...
Given what you've presented, I'd be most hesitant to go to the seminar
without a lot more information. It might be harmless, but if it's
so harmless, why couldn't he answer your questions.
I'm not known for my paranoia, but on this one, I'd say proceed
cautiously, if at all.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 518.2 | | CSC32::WOLBACH | | Tue Oct 06 1987 17:04 | 6 |
| Careful, Cindy. I was rooked into selling Amway products
under extrememly similar circumstances!!
DK
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| 518.3 | | AKOV11::FRETTS | Shine your Spirit! | Tue Oct 06 1987 18:13 | 18 |
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Cindy,
Though I don't know anything about the "Insight" seminars, I did
take the est training in 1981. Yes, they do use hard sell, and
they do ask you not to share the details of what happens during
the training. I don't particularly like the hard sell approach.
I do understand why sharing the details of exercises would take
away from the persons experiencing what occurs within themselves
during them.
est had it drawbacks, but overall I found it a valuable and
perspective-changing experience. Your friend is riding on the
high of breakthrough.
Carole
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| 518.4 | Sounds like bad news. | PBSVAX::COOPER | Topher Cooper | Tue Oct 06 1987 18:15 | 8 |
| A lot of religious and non-religious mind-manipulation sessions
produce a short term high. Tell your friend you *might* consider
it in six months, if they still feel the same. This will give you
a chance to see how they are, honestly happy vs. high or mind-washed,
after the initial buz. In the meantime, I concur, stay away, I
can see absolutly no justification for going.
Topher
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| 518.6 | It's worth looking into | CAMLOT::COFFMAN | Unable to Dance, I will crawl | Wed Oct 07 1987 10:43 | 47 |
| < Note 518.5 by CHUCKL::YURYAN >
-< More info... >-
> Cindy,
> Though I've never actually had the workshop, I've had the
> impression from friends, that it is *not* like EST training. If
> it were, I would say the same thing, stay clear of it. Somewhere
> at home, I have an old information packet from the Insights people
> that I'd be happy to send off to you. I also have a friend here
> at DEC that has been through the training that might be willing
> to give you a better idea of what goes on.
>
> Mary
Insight is Not like EST. Many friends of mine have taken this
workshop. As I recall (I once signed up for it, yet never took it) it
is a soft workshop. By that I mean they work with individuals in a
soft way rather than the EST mentality of "beat 'em till it hurts."
If I recall correctly the workshop was founded by someone
named John Roger. He has some spiritual organization that he heads.
A friend of mine at DEC who I have done *many* workshops with has
pursued alot of work with these people. Based upon my knowledge of
this person and the length of time I've known him (8+ years), I'd say
that Insight deserves a closer look if you are interested in a
workshop experience.
I would also recommend that you look at the Spring Hill workshop
programs as well as a workshop called the Essential Experience. The
Essential Experience is nearly identical to what Actualizations offers
as Creative Personal Interactions. EE is conducted by the designer
of of the workshop and is about $150 less.
I have attended Spring Hill workshops and found them wonderful and in
some ways spiritually uplifting.
I have attended CPI, EE (twice) and assisted at both CPI and EE at
least 6-7 times.
I obviously have a small bias here.
Back to the original question. I'd say look into it. The folks at
INSIGHT do good things.
- Howard
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| 518.7 | I highly recommend INSIGHT | VINO::EVANS | | Wed Oct 07 1987 14:34 | 32 |
| I agree with Howard - the people at INSIGHT do good things.
I took INSIGHT I over a year ago, now. Yes, the "high" stays with
you for a while, but then it wears off and you find out what's going
to stick with you (what you learned).
It did change my life. Not dramatically, not instantly. But I have
a better feeling for myself and others, and a much more positive
attitude about life than I have ever had.
The Boston SEminar (Waltham, actually) is under a program called
"Gift of Giving". That means that you pay $100 registration fee,
and at the end of the seminar you may a) pay more b)take back your
registration fee c)leave the registration fee only. No questions
asked.
I have never taken EST or any other "human potentail" type seminar,
tho I've heard that EST is very confrontational. INSIGHT is supportive.
You work in groups, two's, and as a large seminar group.
It's the best thing I ever did for myself. It *is* a time investment
(Wed, Thurs, Fri evening, Sat, Sun all day), but if you finish the
seminar and feel you got nothing out of it, then take your money
back and all you've lost is time.
I'm very cynical about these things. I've recommended INSIGHT to
all my friends. You'll find caring people at INSIGHT. I don't believe
it's a rip-off. By all means, try it - you have nothing to lose
but some time. And, I believe, a lot to gain.
Dawn
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| 518.8 | I learned a lot. | VAXRT::CANNOY | The seasons change and so do I. | Tue Oct 13 1987 11:13 | 17 |
| I also too the Insight I seminar about a year and a half ago. I
would highly recommend it, also.
Yes, like all things of this sort (I did a lot of church camps as
a kid) it leaves you feeling high and wonoderful, but I think more
of it stayed with me than anything else I've ever run into.
I plan on taking the first seminar again (they let you do that) and
then eventually moving on to the second seminar. It is worth the
time and money.
I have a lot of friends who have taken several levels of the seminars
and there are a bunch of people in DEC who have taken the courses. A
good friend of mine is involved in the administrative side of it. If
you send me MAIL, I can give you his name and node.
Tamzen
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| 518.9 | Duly impressed! | FDCV13::PAINTER | | Tue Oct 13 1987 19:03 | 16 |
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Back again! Finally!
Spent the evening with my friend and I'm truly amazed at the positive
difference I see in him. Will spend more time on this here later
in the week, however I'm definitely going to look into Insight a
bit further.
If any of you have read "The Different Drum", by Scott Peck, it
seems like the same type of "community-building" approach with a
focus on the individual as a part of something much larger and very
positive.
More soon.
Cindy
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| 518.10 | Forgot important point.. | FDCV13::PAINTER | | Tue Oct 13 1987 19:05 | 4 |
| Insight does *NOT* make you 'sign up' other people as a requirement
for going on to Insight 2 and 3.
Cindy
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| 518.11 | Note from an Insighter | MORGAN::SLAVIN | | Tue May 17 1988 14:29 | 51 |
| I participated in several Insight trainings from 1985-87.
Most of my explorations had previously been in the intellectual
realm -- reading lots (Dion Fortune, William Gray, Llewellyn pubs.)
kundalini yoga, and some workshops (NLP practitioners course,
vision quest). My major focus has been on *my* definition of magic:
the art of transforming consciousness at will (Thanks, Dion! :) ).
I did Insight I (subtitled Awakening the Heart) because I had been
unable to break through boundaries
with other means I'd tried. It was one of the most profound experiences
of my life -- a true initiation *for me* to a new way of changing
my thoughts and aligning my
actions with my thinking. In many ways, I have since been able to
practice the art of magic listed above and have made many significant
changes in my life.
All of the Insight trainings (and I've done most of them) are heart-
oriented. They all involve lectures, demonstrations, processes,
sharing, meditation/visualization, and role playing. The focus is
ALWAYS on love and joy. It is in no way religious, and for me it
was very spiritual. I also found, *for me* that it had very much
to do with magic as I'd experienced it in my readings. However,
I wish to EMPHASIZE that everyone gets something different from
the trainings.
Insight II, the greatest gift I've ever given to myself, is subtitled
Opening the Heart. It's more of the same, only in a group of about
40. The time frame is different and the cost is higher (I paid $775).
Insight II was promoted heavily at the end of Insight I. I chose
to take it because I wanted more of the good stuff I had gotten.
However, I was not pressured to take it.
Insight III is called "Centering in the Heart," and involves the
above plus meditation -- or spiritual exercises. It is done in retreat.
I have not done an Insight training for over a year, mostly because
I want to focus on the physical plane more at this time. However,
I would recommend Insight to anyone interested in taking a look
at their life and creating more of what they truly want.
I'd be happy to talk with anyone about it. My DTN is 223-9733.
Lois
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| 518.12 | Insight is greart | RANGER::WESTERVELT | Tom | Mon Jul 15 1991 16:19 | 20 |
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Wow, is this an old topic!
I took my first Insight seminar in the spring of 1988. Since
then, I've taken several additional seminars; the most significant
one for me was Insight II in the summer of 1989.
Since a lot of time has passed, you can count on a fairly objective
appraisal from me:
1. It changed my life
2. I trust the people who do the trainings
3. I highly recommend the experience.
If you're thinking of it at all, I'd advise you to consider your
curiousity as a signal that it may be appropriate for you to take.
I know a lot of people who had positive experiences.
Tom
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