Conference hydra::dejavu

       I'm not the least bit "surprised."
       
       (316 and 358 have enough hints in them to support this)
      
      
    Frederick
    

    Re .0:
    
    I have not read the original papers; and we all know how accurate
    journalists are with things technical. :-)  So, I'll make one or
    two observations on the basis of what was copied from the VV:
    
>    Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances,
>subatomic particles - such as electrons - are able to instantaneously
>communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating
>them.  It does not matter whether they are ten feet or ten billion
>miles apart.  Somehow each particle always seems to know what the
>other is doing.  ...
    
    I wonder how they were able to determine a linkage of more than
    a billion miles.  Sounds more like a theoretical conclusion (or
    inference) than an actual experimental determination.
    
    I know what _all_ electrons are "doing": they're orbiting atomic
    nuclei or drifting free.  How does an electron "klnow" anything,
    much less the activity of another?  The popularization here probably
    has obvuscated what's really being said by the research team.
    
>physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply
>that objective reality does *not* exist; that, despite its apparent
>solidity, the Universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and
>splendidly detailed hologram.    
    
    Ah, but a _hologram_ has objective reality; its _image_ is a phantasm
    (actually, thast's not even correct: the image is a reconstruction
    of wave fronts) induced by external light.  _That_ ought to be
    metaphysical enough for you. :-D
    
>    Tying this together with recent brain research, which shows the
>brain to also use holographic principles in perception, leads to the
>holographic paradigm:  A model of reality which can explain many
>puzzling phenomena.  If the brain is part of the holographic whole,
>religious and paranormal experiences can be seen as tapping into this
>universal oneness, and FTL travel means simply accessing the right
>frequency to reach other solar systems, which may actually be at your
>elbow.   
    
    Cute, but too popularized for us to evaluate.  Is this last conclusion
    the article writer's?  The research team's? That of The High Swami
    Gotalotacrapola?  Without the sources, it sounds no better than
    what you can read in _The National Enquirer_, if you must....
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr. 
     

    Other comments:
    
    The remark about Einstein saying that no information can travel faster
    than light is wrong. Einstein said that particles can't travel faster
    than light. Information can travel much faster than light. This has
    been a feature of quantum physics for oh, say, fifty or sixty years
    now. 
    
    The idea that there is no objective reality is also not new. Bohr,
    Heisenberg, Schr�dinger, and others have all batted this about --
    again, fifty to sixty years ago. 
    
    In a sense, this is a big yawn, as there have been many experiments to
    show non-local quantum effects (that is, things that move information
    faster than light). Now if he's got a way to *use* them, then that's
    important. 
    
    	Jon

    
    See also _Schroedinger's Cat_, _The Dancing Wu Li Masters_, and
    other "popular" books on quantum phenomana for a fairly thorough
    discussion of this topic.
    

    Well,... *I* think its very interesting.  It supports the group
    mind theory (to me anyway), and gives some credence to the concept
    of quantum leaps in evolution (ours_:-).

    
    When it comes right down to it, *everything* in the universe is
    just combinations of imaginary waves, and you and I are interference
    patterns in the ripples of probability. This means that we all are
    part of everything that ever existed, exists, or will exist.
    
    Boy, my eyes glazed over on *that* one!
    
    Tananda
    

    
    re: <--
    
    Ok, while I'm into this mood, I'll go on:
    
    One model of memory has the brain acting as a sort of holographic
    storage system; in some models everything we sense is stored, in
    others sensual memory seves as an index to related information.
    
    A holograph is simply a record of a particular set of interference
    patterns.
    
    In my belief system, all matter is a record of a dynamic interference
    pattern...the "universe pattern," we'll call it. Since a
    three-dimensional object may be recorded on a two-dimensional medium
    (flat film, in the case of a laser hologram), it seems reasonable
    that a four-dimensional object (3D object in time) may be recorded
    on a three-dimensional medium (matter).
    
    Somehow from this I come up with the notion that memory is not local
    to the brain, but is distibuted completely over the body and is
    a record of everything that has ever occurred to that body.
    
    I'll think about this idea a bit more and try to flesh it out.
    
    Tananda
    

    
    An interesting thing about holograms. If a hologram is 'stored' on a
    glass plate (a common method) and the plate is shattered, every fragment
    of the plate has the *whole* image in it. Just smaller and fainter... 
                                
    
    				Lance

    Re .9:
    
    And fuzzier.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

RE .9:

Assume "Big Bang Theory" of the origin of the universe is true/correct.

Then does each particle of matter contain the original blueprint/pattern
for the evolution of life and/or the universe.  I will stipulate that
changes may have taken place in the blueprint/pattern due to "local"
influences (a'la the kind of twist in the genetic pattern that permits
a cell to go cancerous).

This in turn could lead to a discussion of why the extra terrestials that
are reported have taken a somewhat humanoid appearence and have an interest
in our biology (many reports of "medical exams" from contactees).

Speculation is OK.

		ERP

    Re .0:
    
    I recall reading about this experiment, and as I remember it went
    something like this.

    Certain sub-atomic particles can be "split" into two complementary
    sub-particles which have opposite rotational "spin" characteristic.
    (Thus essentially cancelling each other out.)  While generating
    and investigating these sub-particles, the experimenters found
    evidence that the "spin" of a sub-particle could reverse itself under
    certain conditions.  The 'breakthrough' of this experiment involved
    some observations which suggest that when the "spin" of one of two
    complementary particles reversed, the "spin" of other particle was
    invariably and 'simultaneously' reversed as well, even though there
    is no apparent connection between the sub-particles once they have
    been "split" from the original particle.

    This is what was interpreted as communication between sub-atomic
    particles.  The "instantaneous communication" between particles
    over "ten billion miles" must be a theory based upon extensions to
    these observations of primitive particle interactions.
    
	    					Todd