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456.1 | Isn't this Clarke's 3rd Law? | VINO::EVANS | | Wed Aug 19 1987 13:57 | 6 |
| "Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
:-)
Dawn
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456.2 | | NONODE::JOLLIMORE | | Wed Aug 19 1987 14:17 | 9 |
| .0
> I continue to see Harmonic Convergence as a media event, foisted
> on many by a few clever individuals.
?Huh? Very little media in my opinion. Christmas is more a media event to
me. Most of the press I saw was in obscure magazines and papers. There
was little national press, and the only local spots I saw were on the Friday
before. Name the few and clever.
Jay
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456.3 | Jose Arguelles et al | TOPDOC::SLOANE | Bruce is on the loose | Wed Aug 19 1987 14:47 | 17 |
| Re: -.1
Foremost among the few and clever is Jose Arguelles. This has been
a million dollars worth of free advertising for his book. I wish I
could get that kind of publicity for my books!
Others include Frank Waters, Steve McFadden, Eugene Johnson, and
a host of others.
I thought the press was fairly restrained, but it was on national
news several days running, and in almost all newspapers.
Thanks for asking me this. I think everybody who writes in this
file should be prepared to back up their views.
-bs
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456.4 | So what? | DONNER::EVANSM | | Wed Aug 19 1987 15:51 | 6 |
| Doesn't Jay read Doonsbury? Seriously, I've been reading about
the convergence in the media only for about a week before it happened,
but had known about it for over a year. Thank the goddess change
doesn't often suddenly occur overnight. Even if the Convergence
did nothing more than bring people together for a few hours
"harmoniously", that's something to be pleased with right there.
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456.5 | | NONODE::JOLLIMORE | | Wed Aug 19 1987 15:56 | 20 |
| -.1
Do you really believe Jose did it soley for the publicity? I never did
buy his book. The people I've talked to that read it said it was fairly
difficult reading. Have you written any books? Maybe I'll buy yours.
If Jose did it for the free press and personal gain, what did the others
do it for? I saw no commercialism connected with any of this. Most of
them I don't know. Are they all hyping books?
I never did catch it on the national news. I watch only ABC World News
Tonite, and not every nite. The only thing I saw was on Channel 5 Friday
nite at 11:00, and the woman couldn't keep a straight face. I know there
was something in the WSJ about a month or so back, and later something in
Newsweek? It just didn't strike me as a media event, along the lines of
comet Haley. At least I haven't seen any Harmonic Convergence t-shirts.
8') Although there may indeed be some.
Thanks for backing up your views, keep 'em coming.
Jay
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456.6 | | NONODE::JOLLIMORE | | Wed Aug 19 1987 16:27 | 5 |
| .4 Doonsbury!!! How could I have forgotten that. It did run over a week
there!
.5 Should be re:-.2
Jay
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456.7 | | MANTIS::PARE | | Thu Aug 20 1987 14:42 | 3 |
| The media picked up on it after people all over the world
simultaneously were obsessively drawn to an event no one understood
or could logically explain. That alone is significant.
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456.8 | A tickler... | NEXUS::MORGAN | Welcome to the Age of Flowers | Thu Aug 20 1987 15:47 | 3 |
| This reply is just a little tickler to remind us to start a new
Life after H.C. one year later on August 16-17th, 1988. Be there....
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456.9 | How about Elvis? | AKOV77::GOONAN | | Thu Aug 20 1987 16:55 | 7 |
| I think people have been much more obsessivly drawn to the event
of the 10 year anniversary of the death of Elvis Presley, and I
find that fact very significant a comment on the lack of spirituality
in the lives of people. Also the media handles the Elvis "The King"
mourners as apparently normal, sane individuals, while the Harmonic
Convergence participants are treated as off-the-wall. What a reality
we have to contend with!
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456.10 | You get what you expect ... | CYCLPS::BAHN | The 1st 2000 lifetimes are toughest! | Thu Aug 20 1987 17:30 | 9 |
| > What a reality we have to contend with!
If there's anything at all to the Harmonic Convergence and
the belief/value system(s) many of us share, our reality is
what we make it ... Reality is probably just a collective
hunch anyway.
Terry
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456.11 | A little humor | NEXUS::MORGAN | Welcome to the Age of Flowers | Sun Aug 23 1987 19:08 | 65 |
|
From: Geoff Gilpin
To: All Msg #165, 15-Aug-87 09:44mst
Subject: Read all about it!
CONSTANCE CUMBY "CLEANSED" IN "HARMONIC CONVERGENCE"
SPEAKS THROUGH "TRANCE CHANNEL"
Acapulco, Mexico (EPA), Aug 18, 1987
Spectators in this popular resort area were shocked yesterday when
Fundamentalist author Constance Cumby, known for her anti-"New Age"
bestsellers "Rainbows from Hell" and "Hidden Dangers of the
Care Bears", fell into a crevice filled with molten lava.
Ms. Cumby had come to Acapulco to protest what she described as
"harmonics and all other forms of humanism" and to organize a
demonstration against the planting of crystals here by devotees of "New
Age" beliefs. At the time of her death, Ms. Cumby was exhorting her
audience to counter the "fiendish influence of rocks" by burying
photographs of Nancy Reagan "and other heros of normalcy." She was
brandishing what appeared to be a can of deodorant in the direction of
the New Age believers when the mysterious crevice opened at Ms. Cumby's
feet, swallowing her, several cartons of her books, and a rack
displaying plush unicorns and Smurf dolls bearing labels such as
"Belial" and "Ashtoreth". Eyewitnesses say that Ms. Cumby screamed
"It's the rapture!" immediately before the fissure closed over her with
a noise that several of them compared to belching.
Ms. Cumby's death stirred controversy in both the New Age encampment
and among her followers.
"She really did get raptured," insisted Olivetta Beehive, a Milwaukee
representative of Mary Kay Cosmetics, "even if she went down instead
of up." But a member of the New Age group insisted that Ms. Cumby had
not been raptured but "cleansed". To this claim, Ms. Beehive responded
that "She didn't need to get cleansed. She was so clean already."
The debate intensified approximately seven hours after Ms. Cumby's
accident when one member of the New Age gathering, a self-styled
"trance channeler" named Roland Twitchy, began speaking in a voice
eerily like that of the late author.
"His eyes go all blank. He even LOOKS like Constance," said one woman.
In a session in which he assumed the identity of Ms. Cumby, Mr. Twitchy
announced that she had become a convert to New Age beliefs. "It has
all become clear to me now that I have attained the Fifth Bardo of
Utter Mindlessness." Mr. Twitchy/Ms. Cumby attested to the pleasant
nature of the afterlife. "It's nicer than Shopko here." The
supposedly discorporate writer assured her former friends that all was
well. "My guides have initiated me into est... or maybe it was TM.
Mr. Twitchy revealed that, in a former life, Ms. Cumby had been a
housewife in Atlantis. "My husband and I had a business selling solar
heating units. It was just like Amway! It was a pyramid! A PYRAMID!!
That's not a coincidence, you know."
Since those early sessions, confusion has spread as several other
people in Mexico have begun speaking in the voice of Constance Cumby.
Mr. Twitchy says he will apply for a copyright.
---
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456.12 | | SPIDER::PARE | | Tue Aug 25 1987 11:25 | 1 |
| That was hysterical Mikie,... thanks_:-)
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456.13 | Fun in the NA | WAGON::DONHAM | Born again! And again, and again... | Wed Sep 02 1987 10:43 | 43 |
|
This was clipped from a Plymouth weekly newspaper by my friend Patti;
her sister Nan is the author:
DAWNING OF A NEW AGE?
Oops. 'Fraid I slept through the harmonic convergence Sunday morning.
Some of the news stories say it was actually Saturday morning. It
doesn't really matter. I was sleeping then too.
I guess I lost my chance to take advantage of the cosmic pause at
the end of the Mayan calendar to adjust my vibrations to the New
Age.
I'm waiting for an age that doesn't start at daw, although I saw
a great alarm clock in a mail-order catalog the other day. It comes
in two models, a baseball and a tennis ball. To turn off the alarm
in the morning, you pick it up and throw it at something. That's
my kind of alarm clock--but it probably isn't really in the spirit
needed to rise at dawn and slip out of the earth's time beam into
a New Age.
Anyway, I'm not fully adjusted yet to the Old Age. Frankly, I had
no idea that we were still using the Mayan calendar, before seeing
the news that it was ending. Perhaps it's somewhere at the bottom
of the rubble on my desk. Or in my Rolodex--I'd believe that almost
anything is lurking in that Rolodex, which I inherited from a reporter
who inherited it from another reporter who... I haven't really
investigated, but some of those numbers could be part of a Mayan
calendar, rather than the local telephone exchange. It would help
explain some of the more obscure entries.
Back to the New Age--wouldn't you think that it would start with
something a little more, well, cosmic, than a cosmic pause at dawn?
Some real change?
There is one relatively simple thing that would really show a New
Age has dawned--and we could do it ourselves, without waiting for
a harmonic convergence. In a New Age, people might finally bury
Elvis, now that he's been dead 10 years.
Nan Anastasia
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456.14 | we might throw in this one... | ERASER::KALLIS | Raise Hallowe'en awareness. | Wed Sep 02 1987 11:03 | 47 |
| re .13:
And from _the Middlesex News_ ...
`CONVERGENCE' MISSES THE MARK
There's no point in mincing words: I'm bitter, very bitter, about
the way the Harmonic Convergence was celebrated in Framingham [Mass]
yesterday. Touted as an aligning of the planets and the dawning
of a new age, the convergence had the potential to be something
beautiful.
From California's Mount Shasta to Egypt's Pyramids, hundreds of
thousands gathered at "power centers" around the globe to hold hands,
hum, transmit positive energy, and just "be."
Everything was perfect until, tragically, 50 or so participants
in Framingham screwed it up by snubbing my favorite Chinese restauirant
-- Chen's -- and, in all liklihood, causing irreparable damage to
the cosmos.
Allow me to explain.
As I have stated many times before, Chen's, a competent Chinese
eatery located at the confluence of Rte. 9 and the Mass. Turnpike
is the geometric center of the universe, a fact that, to my knowledge,
has never been disputed.
As such, I naturally assumed it would be one of the power centers
where people would observe the Harmonic Convergence, the start of
a period of planetary cleansing, according to the Mayan calander.
Well, I assumed wrong.
A woman dressed in Native American garb broke the news just after
Store 24 in downtown Framingham: We would be going to Farm Pond
-- not Chen's -- to usher in the new age.
Farm Pond. Within earshot of the Conrail terminal. Adjacent to
the dreaded town incinerator. Uncomfortably close to the Registry
of Motor Vehicles. ...
*****
Exerpted from the "In Other Words" column by Jeff Kramer without
permission. Copyright (C) 1987 by _The Middlesex News.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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456.15 | When the "truth" is found to be lies | GLORY::WETHERINGTON | | Wed Sep 02 1987 12:50 | 9 |
| Yes, they would, and most psychic phenomena 100 years from now will be
just as "scientifically" explainable as a computer and TV set are
today. Just because our science hasn't advanced far enough to explain
something by it's own limited standards, doesn't negate the existence
of the phenomena; I would say personal observation of a psychic
phenomena with your own eyes is the best proof; it's my prefered
way of verifying something. Long ago I concluded that our current
"science" is flawed and archaic, because it cannot yet explain most
of the "out of the ordinary" experiences I have had.
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456.16 | dow jones -508 ! | SSDEVO::ACKLEY | No final answers here | Tue Oct 20 1987 10:59 | 1 |
| it's the convergence ! Everything will change now ?
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456.17 | | BEES::PARE | What a long, strange trip its been | Tue Oct 20 1987 12:34 | 25 |
|
Predictions for the period prior to the New Age:
There will be a slight rally in the market but within two years
(if that) there will be a *very* severe drop and markets all over
the world will be effected... there will be world wide financial
chaos.
We will get closer and closer to a war if we are not already involved
in one by then. We will have our first nuclear accident ... There
will be a major earthquakes... Sightings of alien ships will increase
and be confirmed for what they are...
What to do?
Get out of debt if possible...
Don't keep large amounts of money (not that any of us would
have any_:-) in the bank.
Try to get as self-sufficient as possible... if the transportation
systems are effected food lines will be cut off.
If you keep any money at home try to get pre 1964 silver coins (real
silver and not silver "sandwiches") and not paper.
Plan on a garden next summer and learn how to can food.
Get a wood stove.
Just kidding guys_:-)_but just in case....
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456.18 | Slow is better than too fast! | PUZZLE::GUEST_TMP | HOME, in spite of my ego! | Tue Dec 08 1987 23:37 | 20 |
| I wasn't real certain where to post this and decided to
"nest" here. Recognize that there are probably many other topics
within this notesfiles where this could be.
As I watched our "summit" meeting this morning in the White
House, I observed the Soviet Secretary General and our own
"illustrious" president. Not to get off on their individual
personalities, it is fair to say that in my lifetime the current
leader of the USSR is far and away the most desirable I have
encountered (of their leaders.) I saw further that perhaps those
of us who had an optimism about our future *really did* have a
say in its unfolding to the extent that what seemed so unlikely
just two years ago is now a new reality. Who is to say that the
energy put forth just 4 months ago didn't play a significant part
in this world event which is a light in an otherwise dark potential?
I am glad for this event and am optimistic that this is but one
of many that we will experience in the positive new reality that
I wish to live in for the remainder of this incarnation.
Frederick
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456.19 | Will the pace continue? | HPSCAD::DDOUCETTE | Tis the Season and Spice of life | Wed Dec 09 1987 08:30 | 6 |
| Let's see who gets elected as president before we proclaim that
HC energy has had an effect on politics. =|8^D
I'll admit: so far, good.
Dave
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456.20 | Reagan's a walk-in� | SSDEVO::ACKLEY | Aslan | Wed Dec 09 1987 10:03 | 6 |
|
I will be interested to see in coming months if Reagan has
really changed into a more reasonable human. Did he have some
cosmic experience or something? Perhaps Nancy ?
Alan
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456.21 | Lets wait and see. | MTBLUE::DUCHARME_GEO | | Wed Dec 09 1987 10:03 | 6 |
| I was impressed with Gorbachev's speech.He sounded better than many of the
presidential candidates.But lets wait and see what deeds actually happen.
He has raised expectations and hope.I hope he means his words.
George D.
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456.22 | Da! | CLUE::PAINTER | Imagine all the people... | Wed Dec 09 1987 11:37 | 7 |
|
I'm delighted with the goings-on in Washington at the present time.
Perhaps we should all take a moment or two and send in their direction
as much positive energy as we can muster.
Cindy
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456.23 | Make sure they know how you feel | HPSCAD::DDOUCETTE | Tis the Season and Spice of life | Wed Dec 09 1987 14:51 | 3 |
| How about a letter to your favorite congressman? 8-)
Dave
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456.24 | Snake-Oil of the Masses | DECWET::MITCHELL | Value me--I'm different! | Wed Dec 09 1987 14:58 | 8 |
|
RE: .18 etc.
I guess we can thank the HC for everything good that will
happen in the future.
John M.
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456.25 | | SSDEVO::ACKLEY | Aslan | Wed Dec 09 1987 15:46 | 6 |
|
RE: .24 (John M.)
Yes, and we can blame all the bad things on the HC too.
alan.
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456.26 | A golden age of a lameduck... | NEXUS::MORGAN | In your heart you KNOW it's flat. | Wed Dec 09 1987 19:26 | 7 |
| Reply to .20; Alan,
What we're seeing with Ronnie is perhaps usual with a President
in his last days. He dosen't really feel that his agenda or the
parties agenda is that important. Consequently he can ease off of
some issues and accomplish others. It's sorta' a golden age time
for a lameduck president.
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456.27 | It's changing! | SPMFG1::CLAYR | | Mon Dec 14 1987 14:49 | 18 |
|
It definitely seems as though there has been an infusion of
positive energy from somewhere that made this summit turn out the
way that it did. As a little example, recall how Gorbachev suddenly
stopped his motorcade and jumped out to greet the people on the
street with "PEACE"--he totally stunned even his own security detail.
And consider how Reagan was seen as such a warmongering gunslinger
when he took office. Now so many of his conservative buddies are
calling him an "idiot" for selling out his principles. I never liked
Reagan before but he definitely seems to have been changed by
something.
Would any of this have been expected 5 years ago? The world
is definitely changing for the better, any way you look at it...
Roy
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456.28 | Miracles *can* happen.... | CLUE::PAINTER | Imagine all the people... | Mon Dec 14 1987 16:01 | 22 |
|
I'm waiting for my latest copy of "Mother Jones" to see what they
have to say about the summit. It is a very leftist publication and
have had very little positive things to say about Reagan and his
time in office. A few issues ago, the front cover went something
like this "AIDS - 25,000 people died while Reagan turned his back".
The rest of the article is a diary of events over a 6 year period,
and I have the utmost respect and admiration for C.Everett Coop
who, despite his conservative leanings, stood up for what he believed
in and didn't let his compassion for humanity be swayed by politics
(at least toward the end).
I wonder if Reagan has been waiting for this opportunity all along.
He really has nothing to lose at this point, and if he can pull this
off in the twilight of his presidency then he will probably go down
history as one of the great presidents of all time (even though he
sat around and did nothing to stop the spread of AIDS in the early
stages - something which infuriates me).
Or maybe the HC did have something to do with it.....
Cindy
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456.29 | Against all odds | HPSCAD::DDOUCETTE | Tis the Season and Spice of life | Mon Dec 14 1987 16:39 | 13 |
| No...No...not Politics! AAAUUUGGGHHHH!!
Reagan is a Grade B actor. Gorbachev is a Grade A Politician, weather
we like it or not. Gorbachev came to the arms table because he knows
the present arms build-up is destroying his economy, not because of a US
arms build-up (mind you, it's destroying ours too!). History will show
these two for what they are.
Aids is Reagan's nightmare. He just doesn't know how to handle it
so he continues to put off the issue, and the problem continues
to get worse.
Dave
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456.30 | Oops - wrong conference? | CLUE::PAINTER | Imagine all the people... | Mon Dec 14 1987 20:31 | 2 |
|
.....er....sorry
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456.31 | No, just over reacting | HPSCAD::DDOUCETTE | Tis the Season and Spice of life | Mon Dec 14 1987 22:43 | 3 |
| (Whew!) it's alright, I'm over the poly-fit now...
D{ve ;-)
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456.32 | | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Tue Dec 15 1987 09:43 | 24 |
| Re: last few
Don't worry, Cindy. If, in this file, we can speculate about personal
life events in the context of Something Unkown And Mysterious And
Possibly Bigger Than We Are, and try to make correlations of Whatever
That Is with our own personal experiences, I think it's entirely
correct to speculate about the impact of Whatever It Is on the global
scale. The same patterns of response apply. Many of us who have
had unexplainable experiences will offer them to this file for comment.
We get to hear speculations on their causes from repliers who often
fall into two camps: those who believe that Whatever It Is is at
least partially responsible, and those who believe our experience
is very mundane, we're just not perspicuous enough to see it as
such yet. Both are excellent to listen to: the more esoterically
sensitive/learned among us broaden our horizons, and the mundane-
oriented give us more criteria by which to evaluate our observations.
The same thing happens to our musings about possible connections
of Whatever It Is to global events. As long as the speculations
and observations are in that context (and don't rathole for more
than 3 replies? :-)) I don't think we need to worry about the dreaded
P word creeping in now and again.
Marcia
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456.33 | | DECWET::MITCHELL | Value me--I'm different! | Thu Dec 17 1987 04:03 | 8 |
| I guess if Christ were to return tomorrow (which he won't) that would
be attributed to the HC as well. In fact, I'm sure that HC
participants will attribute everything good that happens to be a result
of the HC until the New Age fad dies out (I give it 3 more years max).
John M.
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456.34 | And *I* thought we only had a couple more weeks... | AOXOA::STANLEY | Sometimes you get shown the light... | Thu Dec 17 1987 09:13 | 4 |
| Three years! That's great! I was afraid it wouldn't last *that* long. Thank
you so much John for giving us three whole years! :-)
Dave
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456.35 | the future will flush out the false prophets... | SSDEVO::ACKLEY | Aslan | Thu Dec 17 1987 09:42 | 25 |
|
RE: .33 (John M.)
I have been fascinated in recent months by an apparent increase
in the violence of earthquakes in California, Japan, and around
the pacific. Edgar Cayce, among others have predicted an in
crease in the "earth changes", Cayce pinpointed the "late 1980's"
as the time when these changes would become obvious.
I bring this up, because I believe that the survival of the
"new age" movement may really be linked to the accuracy of the
growing body of prophecies made by "new age" prophets.
If the earth change prophecies begin to prove correct, in
proveable detail, then the NEW AGE will begin. Perceptions
of the universe will change, and a powerful new religious mythos
will transform society, in the *shock* of sudden changes.
On the other hand, if life just goes on, do-dah, do-dah...
for the next three years. I think you will be correct in predicting
the demise of the "new age" fad.
I think you are wrong, however.
Alan.
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456.36 | RE 456.35 | DICKNS::KLAES | All the galaxy's a stage... | Thu Dec 17 1987 09:53 | 7 |
| Earthquakes occur in varying degrees all over Earth all the
time, as they have since the planet was formed. They are *not*
a sign that the world is ending, only undergoing its continuous
geological changes.
Larry
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456.37 | | MANTIS::PARE | What a long, strange trip its been | Thu Dec 17 1987 10:07 | 4 |
| Gee larry, John knows for sure that Jesus is not returning tomorrow
(are you keeping his calendar John?_:-) And you know for sure that
earthquakes are *not* the sign predicted by Edgar Cayce.
We don't need any prophets .... we've got you guys to keep us informed_:-)
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456.38 | RE 456.37 | DICKNS::KLAES | All the galaxy's a stage... | Thu Dec 17 1987 10:24 | 14 |
| Oh, and I suppose YOU know that He IS coming back, eh? Where's
your calendar for this?
If I am going to have sarcasm lobbed my way, I am well prepared
to return it. Note my previous comment was made as a statement,
not as a snyde remark.
You yell at us for not giving those who feel they can believe
supernatural events without proof a chance, but I find you are as
particularly unforgiving in your remarks towards those who like
to look before they leap.
Larry
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456.39 | | MANTIS::PARE | What a long, strange trip its been | Thu Dec 17 1987 10:57 | 7 |
| Larry dear,
I don't know when He is coming back nor have I ever claimed to know...
and I'm not yelling at you... I'm playfully reminding you that none
of us really know much of anything about what is to come and to
deny another's instincts does not give credibility to one's own
instinct.
Friends, ok_:-)
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456.40 | RE 456.39 | DICKNS::KLAES | All the galaxy's a stage... | Thu Dec 17 1987 11:07 | 7 |
| If you want to believe that every earthquake is a sign of God's
Coming, then fine (then He must have been Coming for the last five
billion years), but I am NOT going to view every earthquake as a
sign that the sky is falling.
Larry
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456.41 | agreed! Amen! right on! | ERASER::KALLIS | Has anybody lost a shoggoth? | Thu Dec 17 1987 11:18 | 9 |
| Re .40 ,(Larry):
> ........ I am NOT going to view every earthquake as a
>sign that the sky is falling.
More like the earth moving under your feet, to quote a pop song
... :-D
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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456.42 | Re.40 | CLUE::PAINTER | Imagine all the people..... | Thu Dec 17 1987 11:35 | 18 |
|
Larry, that's fine. That is your choice. Nobody is asking you
to believe any differently, and you are certainly entitled to your
opinions. I don't believe that it was ever intended to *absolutely*
prove or *absolutely* disprove anything, or to 'convince' you one
way or the other of anything.
I'm interested in hearing this sort of thing, and hope that people will
continue to enter their speculations, observations, hunches, etc.,
because that may trigger another area of discussion - and one that
I may not have heard before. Discussing and debating are two entirely
different things. I don't enter things here to debate them, and
like Carla, will also walk away if the topic takes a turn in that
direction. That is why I don't participate in SOAPBOX, and that
is why some people DO participate in SOAPBOX. There is a time and
a place for everything and everyone.
Just my thoughts.
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456.43 | we will *all* see clear, but only in hindsight. | SSDEVO::ACKLEY | Aslan | Thu Dec 17 1987 12:13 | 29 |
|
Well, *I* don't know if the Cayce predictions are true or not.
I simply said that the future will tell. Certainly quakes will
continue to occur, and these do not mean the world is ending.
*But* -- Cayce and others have predicted A GREAT INCREASE in
geological activity for this time in history. If these predictions
are correct, well, for now we may be able to shrug them off, but
if California (or even just San Francisco) actually falls in the
ocean, then NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO SHRUG IT OFF !!
Please don't read this to mean that *I* know what will happen.
I don't. I just happen to *believe* that Edgar Cayce was correct.
And, *if* he was, then once the predicted events start happening,
it seems obvious to me that this will have a great impact on the
development of religious and mythic ideas. Many will accept it
as proof of the validity of "new age" ideas and gurus. Many of
these gurus have predicted that the planet Earth, itself, will
intervene in our plans (natural disasters, as opposed to man-made
disasters).
I am looking forward to the proof of the next decade. If the
major problems are only the man-made ones, I will see that these
prophets were proved false. If there *are* the predicted natural
earth changes, however, some of the skeptics will be changing
their tune....
Alan.
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456.44 | Sounded reasonable to me. | PBSVAX::COOPER | Topher Cooper | Thu Dec 17 1987 13:57 | 60 |
| Larry, you're not being particularly rational or scientific.
If someone, whether a geologist, a "religionist", or a psychic predicts
an earthquake which someone claims has been matched by a particular
earthquake than we can evaluate the claim, and therefore the prediction
scientifically. We must look at the prediction and the supposed
match and see how close they are. We must ask how likely such a
match is to occur simply by chance (which will depend in part on
how specific the prediction was). If the prediction came about
through a clear unambiguous theory, we can check that that theory
actually makes the prediction and that the theory has been
systematically applied. If the method of prediction is not
reproducable than we must investigate the possibility that the
predictor could not, consciously or unconsciously, actually use another
method of prediction.
If the prediction passes all these criteria than we must give some
credence to the theory/system/ability which created it. We do not
have to accept it as proven, but we do have to say that evidence
exists for the basis of the prediction. This is what science IS.
In this case what we have is not the prediction of a particular
earthquake but a prediction of a general increase in the number
of severe earthquakes. This has apparently occured (although what
we have actually noted is an increase in the number of severe
earthquakes in places we find "significant"). I would judge that
this increase is, so far, well within the bounds of ordinary
statistical fluctuation.
If someone had said, these earthquakes confirm Cayce's predictions
you would be justified in pointing out that it is still plausibly
explained by selective reporting and ordinary statistical fluctuation.
As it happens, no one said this. Even if they had, very little
would have been added to the discussion by essentially contentless
derision -- if you think that someone is wrong you should say why.
If you don't then why should people pay any attention to your
unsupported opinion?
If someone, for whatever reason, finds a source of a prediction
credible and sees a trend developing, then they are justified in
saying "This looks promising; let's keep an eye on it to see how
it develops". This is all that has been said. I don't see any place
for negative comment (though some hard information or well-backed
up estimates of just how far the current situation is from significance
might be appropriate).
I suspect (and I realize that I am treading on the boundary, or
perhaps I have crossed it, of ad hominim) that what you are really
being critical of is not the attempt to match prediction with
observation but your opinion of the source of the prediction. Would
you have reacted the same if the same prediction had been made by
a plate tectonisist (sp?), even one whose theories you strongly
disagreed with?
(Sorry, if I've been too rough. It's just so easy for any of us
to slide from science to Scientism, that I think that it is important
for all of us to watch out for the rest and give warning if we think
that another is straying from "the path".)
Topher
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456.45 | the warning sequence | SSDEVO::ACKLEY | Aslan | Thu Dec 17 1987 14:44 | 20 |
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More on specific Cayce predictions. This is from memory,
quoted from Jeffery Goodman's summary of the Cayce predictions
in the book _We_Are_The_Earthquake_Generation_;
Goodman says Cayce predicted a "warning sequence" that would
happen prior to the major California event;
1) Mt. Vesuvius (sp?) in Italy will erupt.
2) Mt. Pele on Martinique will erupt.
3) a major quake under the indian ocean will inundate India
with tidal waves.
4) Japan would be hit with severely damaging quake or quakes.
5) then California.
As you can see, these are specific sequential predictions, although
no date was given, the sequence was. They will either prove to
be true, or not.
Alan.
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456.46 | | AKOV11::FRETTS | you are a shining star... | Thu Dec 17 1987 15:19 | 11 |
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Alan,
Are you positive that they have to happen in that sequence? What
if they *all* happen but one or two are out of sequence? Do we
discard the whole thing? :-) (Actually, I hope none of them
happen - that's quite a lot of destruction one right after the other.
Carole
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456.47 | | SNOC01::MYNOTT | | Thu Dec 17 1987 15:58 | 28 |
| Well Chicken Licken, Ducky Lucky, Henny Penny, Goosey Loosey, Turkey
Lurkey, lets go meet Foxy Loxy and go tell the King that the sky
is falling in.
I'm sorry, but this was like my favourite children's story. Some
months ago, we all mentioned that things were stepping up, as the
new age (sorry John - that's small n as in Aquarius)approaches things
will start to happen. I still feel it is a warning that we had
better get our act together quick or there won't be a need to worry
about the New Age fad finishing in three years, there won't be anything
to look forward to anyway.
So if you all feel positive, then we ain't go no worries. As it
is there are a lot of disasters natural or otherwise happening around
the world at the moment, somebody is trying to drop a hint.
In my opinion what does it matter if the "New Age" fad finishes
in three years, we will still be here and still be feeling the same
positive happy way, just change the name. :^) :^) :^)
Sorry but today is my last day for two weeks of blissful holidays.
All of you have a peaceful, happy, indulgent and safe Christmas and
New Year.
...dale
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456.48 | | SSDEVO::ACKLEY | Aslan | Thu Dec 17 1987 15:59 | 12 |
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That was the sequence, as I remember it. It was presented
in that order, although this was in Goodman's book, not in Cayce's
original words. I suppose I would have to find the actual
Cayce quote, to be certain that the ordering is just so.
But it was presented as the "warning sequence", and to me the
word 'sequence' implies that there may be something to the order
of events. If Mt Pele goes off before Vesuvius, but near the
same time as each other, I would still take the prophecy seriously.
Alan.
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