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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

402.0. "Geography -> Subculture" by TLE::BRETT () Tue Jul 07 1987 18:38

    Once upon a time, the world was a very difficult place to move around
    in and communicate around in.
    
    As a consequence of this, cultures tended to develop their own belief
    systems, methods of understanding the universe, etc.  The few within
    those cultures who disagreed were (usually forcibly) quietened and
    the youth so indoctrinated from birth that they never thought any
    other way.
    
    This resulted in a geographic distribution of belief systems, of
    which the Greek one eventually combined with the Christian one and
    produced the Newtonian Scientific/Christian system which produced
    lots of marvellous technical toys - such as planes and televisions.
    
    This system was so successful at predicting and understanding the
    universe that it effectively beat all other systems, and the
    Scientific/Technical approach was rapidly (more or less) incorporated
    into the other belief systems, and those that couldn't (eg: animists,
    primitive tribes) quickly changed their belief systems by converting
    (usually to Christianity).
    
    Now that the world had become so easy to communicate across, a totally
    different division of belief systems is occuring, where you belong
    to one indepedent of where you live!
    
    Isn't diversity marvellous!
    
    /Bevin
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402.1BUMBLE::PAREWed Jul 08 1987 14:521
    Yes, ... it is Bevin_:-)
402.2Yes, we are all different....but are we really....FDCV13::PAINTERWed Jul 08 1987 16:34109
Excerpts from "The Different Drum", by M.Scott Peck

From Chapter IX - Patterns of Transformation

"Same therapy, same therapist, successful but utterly different outcomes 
from a religious point of view.  ...It didn't compute until I realized that 
'we are not all in the same place spiritually'. 
           
With that realization came another: there is a pattern of progression 
through identifiable stages in human spiritual life. .....But here I will 
talk about those stages only in general, for individuals are unique and do 
not always fit neatly into any psychological or spiritual pidgeonhole.

With that caveat, let me list my own understanding of these stages and the 
names I have chosen to give them:

		STAGE I   - Chaotic, antisocial
		STAGE II  - Formal, institutional 
		STAGE III - Skeptic, individual
		STAGE IV  - Mystic, communal"

[Summary of the interaction between Stages]

"...STAGE I people are threatened by just about everything and everybody.  
STAGE II people are not threatened by STAGE I people, the "sinners".  They 
are commanded to love sinners.  But they are very threatened by the 
individuals and skeptics of STAGE III and even more by the mystics of STAGE 
IV, who seem to believe in the same sorts of things they do but believe in 
them with a freedom they find absolutely terrifying.  STAGE III people, on 
the other hand, are neither threatened by STAGE I people nor by STAGE II 
people (whom they simply regard as superstitious) but are cowed by STAGE IV 
people, who seem to be scientific-minded like themselves and know how to 
write good footnotes, yet somehow believe in this crazy God business."

[On Stage IV]

"Finally, mystics throughout the ages have not only spoken of emptiness 
but extolled its virtues.  I have labeled STAGE IV communal as well as 
mystical not because all mystic or even a majority of them live in communes 
but because among human beings they are the ones most aware that the whole 
world is a community and realize what divides us into warring camps is 
precisely the 'lack' of this awareness.   Having become practiced at 
emptying themselves of preconceived notions and prejudices and able to 
perceive the invisible underlying fabric that connects everything, they do 
not think in terms of factions or blocs or even national boundaries; they 
'know' this to be one world.

.....Finally as they (the STAGE III skeptics) begin to reach for STAGE IV,
they also begin to reach toward the notion of world community and the
possibility of either transcending culture or - depending on which way you
want to use the words - belonging to a planetary culture." 

.....Because of the multiplicity of factors - most particularly instant, 
mass communication that brings foreign cultures to our door....the number
of people entering the mystical stage of development and transcending
ordinary culture seems to have increased a thousandfold in the course of a
mere generation or two.  They remain a minority - currently no more than
one in twenty (as opposed to perhaps one in ten thousand before and around
1 A.D.).  Still one wonders if the explosion in their numbers might
represent a giant leap forward in the evolution of the human race, a leap
toward not only mystical but global consciousness and world community.* " 

* Perhaps the greatest prophet of this leap was Teilhard de Chardin.


"It is also important to remember that no matter how far we develop 
spiritually, we retain in ourselves vestiges of the previous stages 
through which we have come...   I don't suppose I could be writing 
this were I not basically a kind of STAGE IV person.

But I can assure you that there exists a STAGE I Scott Peck, who at 
the first sign of any significant stress is quite tempted to lie and 
cheat and steal.  I keep him well encaged, I hope, in a rather 
comfortable cell, so that he won't be let loose upon the world.  (And 
I am able to do this only because I acknowledge his existance, which 
is what Jungian psychologists mean by the 'integration of the Shadow'. 
Indeed, I do not attempt to kill him if for no other reason than that 
I need to go down into the dungeon from time to time to consult him, 
safely ensconced behind the bars, when I am in need of a particular 
kind of 'street smarts').

Similarly, there is a STAGE II Scott Peck, who in moments of stress 
and fatigue would very much like to have a Big Brother or Big Daddy 
around who would give him some clear-cut, black-and-white answers to 
life's difficult, ambiguous dilemmas and some formulas to tell him how 
to behave, relieving him of the responsibility of figuring it all out 
for himself.

And there is STAGE III Scott Peck, who if invited to address a 
prestigious scientific assembly, under stress of such an occasion 
would want to regress into thinking, Well, I better just talk to them 
about carefully controlled, measurable studies and not mention any of 
this God business."

"...Conversions from STAGE I and STAGE II are usually sudden and 
dramatic.  Conversions from STAGE III to STAGE IV are generally 
gradual."

"....It is during the process of conversion from STAGE III to STAGE IV 
that people generally first become conscious that there is such a 
thing as spiritual growth."

"....Paul Vitz, at a symposium with me, correctly told the audience: 
"I think Scott's stages have a good deal of validity, and I suspect 
that I shall be using them in my practice, but I want you to remember 
that what Scotty calls STAGE IV is the beginning."

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402.3Whats next?MANTIS::PAREWed Jul 08 1987 17:231
    Whats stage V?
402.4Why, it's the SEQUEL, of course!FDCV13::PAINTERWed Jul 08 1987 18:552
    
    Guess we'll have to wait for the next book!