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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

321.0. "Finding good teachers and techniques" by SSDEVO::YOUNGER (Sure. Will that be cash or charge?) Fri Feb 27 1987 17:34

    This has note has been inspired by the discussions in notes 316
    and 319, about incompetents, charlatans, and real things available
    in the occult.
    
    I am starting this note to discuss ways by which one may be able
    to tell if something he/she is currently investigating is being
    run by a someone knowledgeable on a subject, or if it is being run
    by a charlatan or someone not knowledgeable.
    
    I'll start, but there is much to add here.
    
    I look at how much something costs.  Most teachers, particularly
    those connected with Wicca, will not charge excessively, if at all,
    for their services.  Some things may need to be charged for, say
    if the person had to travel a long distance to give a seminar, seminar
    fees should cover air fare, lodging, and food.  If supplies, lunch,
    or books are furnished, a charge should be whatever a reasonable
    price for these items is.  Something may be needed to cover a room
    rental for the class or seminar.  However, if the person is charging
    far beyond expenses, giving large seminars for outrageous prices,
    driving a Mercedes paid for by the classes or seminars, I would be 
    skeptical.
    
    Compare it to what else is known about the subject.  I have seen
    catalogues similar (if not identical) to those Steve was talking
    about in #319, of items that the person(s) writing the catalogue
    obviously knew little about what was being sold.  It had a lot of
    wrong information, misused words, and misspellings.  While this
    doesn't necessarily mean *everything* in the catalogue is junk,
    I would be skeptical about any of its claims.  The same things can
    be applied to a person - if he/she tells you anything that you know
    from other sources to be misused or wrong, I would question them,
    and take their credibility down a few notches.
    
    If there is an item that supposedly does something for you, how
    does it work?  If it supposedly has properties to do something on
    its own, with no help, I would pass it off as junk without a lot
    of convincing.  If it is a tool to help you develop something on
    your own, it may be worth it.
    
    How fast does the technique work?  If it promises a quick and easy
    road to anything, it would be skeptical that it is either a fraud,
    or (worse) it takes too many shortcuts, often cutting out many safety
    features.  For example, the channeling teachers who promise to make
    you a channelor over a weekend - they by and large skip the parts
    about protecting yourself.  Many things can leave a large hole for
    bad things to enter - harming yourself and others around you.  You
    don't want to open things that you are not prepared to handle. 
    Other possibilities are that they do not bother to explore the ethics
    involved with the matter.
    
    Lastly, while not the lack does not mean that the teacher is
    necessarily bad, or a fake, is an object for consideration.  Is
    there any support available after the class/seminar is over if you
    want or need assistance, either from the teacher or from an advanced
    student who has studied the technique for a long time in depth?
    While not always absolutely necessary, it can be quite valuable if
    things are not working for you later.
    
    Any refutations or additions welcome.
    
    Elizabeth
    
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321.1Money is not a good guide.PBSVAX::COOPERTopher CooperFri Feb 27 1987 18:4922
    In some cultures, notably Japanese and British, money is considered
    course, dirty and even evil.  (Until relatively recently, for example,
    in England you would complement a person by calling them an Amateur
    (from the root meaning to love) rather than a professional).
    
    In these cultures, and there decendant cultures (i.e., the mainstream
    US cultures) there is a tendency for psychics, healers, etc. to
    feel that collecting money for their services dirties them.  From
    those cultures, the "best" will charge minimally, not at all, or
    only accept private, arbitrarily sized donations after the fact
    (this is not only a "dodge" to get around legal problems).
    
    In other traditions, including some which you can find in this country,
    this is not believed, and the skilled professional feels quite
    comfortable charging what the market "will bear".
    
    Of course, someone who seemingly has nothing to gain by faking is
    somewhat less likely to be a fake -- but watch out, some people
    are motivated by less obvious things than financial gain -- and
    many scams (including non-"psychic" ones) look "safe" at the outset.
    
    				Topher
321.2Caveat emptor! [squared!!]ERASER::KALLISHallowe'en should be legal holidayMon Mar 02 1987 08:4320
    Recently, I received a flyer in the mail from an everything-but-the-
    kitchen-sink mail order company (selling everything from UFO artifacts
    to life-extending remedies) that advertised a $39.95 kit with "everything
    in it to make you a master of the mystic arts."  In addition to
    the obvious rip-off from _Dr. Strange_ comics for the slogan, I
    don't think anyone seriously studying (nonstage) magic would believe
    he or she could get a shortcut for less than $50.00 that would give
    them the whole schmeer.
    
    Another catalog I receive on a periodic basis sells electronic devices
    that are supposed to amplify or augment paranormal abilities.  One
    of these, which was supposed to connect mystic centers by electronic
    stimulation, had a description that sounded virtually identical
    to a "relaxacizer," which was an electronic stimulator for muscles.
    The "relaxacizer" was taken off the market by the FDA when it was
    determined that the device apparently was responsible for some heart
    attacks....
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
      
321.3don't try too hard, this can be easy.WORM::ACKLEYALANFri Mar 13 1987 17:0716
    "By their fruits ye shall know them..."
    
    	I think the best way to tell the quality of a teacher is to
    see how you feel in their presence.   Is it a healing presence,
    or one that drains you?   To use this method you have to relax and
    trust your feelings.
    	As for the pursuit of teachers:  God is keeping track of you,
    and will deliver you a teacher whenever appropriate.   You just
    have to be open to the fact that God may select a dog or little
    child to be your teacher (for a given moment) as easily as he might
    some older person or psychic.    When you go in pursuit of knowledge,
    it may be best not to go too far afield, since God has access to
    you wherever you are.
    
    	Alan.
    
321.4PointerERASER::KALLISHallowe'en should be legal holidayFri Mar 27 1987 09:445
    Newer members of the conference might also like to check Note 70
    [Charlatans].
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
321.5keep alert ...ERASER::KALLISHallowe'en should be legal holidayMon Mar 30 1987 18:1563
    The other day, I received something that masaquerades as a newsletter
    or newspaper, but in effect is really an advertising flyer for
    various paranormal items and services.  It is a prime example of
    questionable approaches.
    
     [obligatory note: I'm changing the names of the publication and]
     [the people involving their services since this is a semipublic]
          [forum.  The publication is sent through the mail]
    
    The _Starry Wisdom News_ [SWN] carries large, often full-page,
    advertisements for various people and services.  One of the people, 
    "Lamia," proclaims herself to be a witch; another, "Oudon," claims
    to be a practitioner of Voodoo; a third calls herself "Pythoness,"
    and claims ability to foresee the future.  Naturally, cut-out coupons
    and fee schedules are attached to each ad, explaining how "x" [which-
    ever one]'s services will give you, the reader, whatever you want.
    
    In addition to ads, there are one or two main news items (e.g.,
    "Ghost of Cat Seen in Store Window," or "Woman Saved by a False
    Alarm"), and a lot of short filler items.  A typical short item
    looks like this:
    
                         VOODOO PRACTICE INCREASES
    
             Interest in Voodoo has been at an all-time high.
          It has been reported that many thousands of people are
          turning to Voodoo to solve their personal problems.
             Because of this interest, people throughout the United
          States are reported to be seeking true practitioners of Voodoo.
          There are very few people who claim to practice Voodoo who
          are actually capable of handling the ancient powers.
             With the extreme interest in Voodoo, _Starry Wisdom
          News_ has looked for an associate with the proper credentials.
          After thorough investigation, we have located Oudon, who has
          been performing the ancient rites throughout his adult life.
          It is not clear how long Oudon can remain associated with
          this publication, but we have been assured that his expertise
          in Voodoo will be at our disposal for as long as he can stay.
                                    ###
    
    I could cite other examples of this sort of story.  But note, there
    is not one _substantiated_ claim.  Maybe interest in Voodoo is at
    an all-time high.  But where did the writer get the data?  Who _says_
    there are thousands of people who are getting help from Voodoo?
    Such stories are either of the unsubstantiad-claim variety, or
    things like the following: "Lamia, one of the most powerful witches
    in the world, has postponed her trip to her ancestral homeland.
    Although she was scheduled to depart this summer, she says that
    the demand for her services is so great that she has put off the
    trip.  `There are so many people who need help that it would be
    wrong for me to desert them now,' she said, when asked about the
    change of plans. ..."
    
    In either case, they're not true news (and are factually suspect),
    but the gullible will accept them simply and solely because they
    see it in print.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
    P.S.:  I was going to put this is 70, but that's overloaded already
           with my comments.