Conference hydra::dejavu

    Of course, the reason crystals are the shape they are is because
    they are have the LEAST, not most, possible energy that way.  If
    you like they are lots of atoms that have each fallen to the bottom
    of their particular little hole.
    
    Now, looking at them, people say "oh, how regular, how pretty; there
    must be lots of energy there".  Well, thats just a typical example
    of how one's intuition, which was developed for coping with things
    in the inches-to-miles/seconds-to-years scale of things screws up
    really badly when confronted with something outside that scale.
    
    So, my vote is your guide knows nothing about physics, and there
    is little or no energy to be obtained from crystals (except, of
    course, "Beam me up Scotty...")
    
    /Bevin

       All of my experience with crystals has been in the R.F. field.Two
    of the main uses being in generating an oscilating voltage wave
    for use in receivers and transmitters,and as filters in the same.The
    crystals are cut so that an applied voltage causes them to vibrate
    at a specific frequency.Very low power is present,being supplied
    by an external source.I am speaking of quartz here.Perhaps other
    crstals have different properties.
                                        MIKE
    

    Don't blow this off completely.  Many channels have talked about
    crystals being used by  Atlantis for there power needs and we have
    a very primative electricity generating crystals now.  It's call
    pezoelectricity and you see them on your gas barbaques and cigarette
    lighters.  When a quartz crystal is thumped a 1/4 inch electrical
    arc can be generated.  Granted this is not a megawatt generator
    but it is a start.
    
    Steve

    re: .1
    
    To say that the atoms have the "LEAST" energy in the form of a crystal
    is not quite true.  Experiments have shown that a lack of entropy
    can be tapped for energy.  In this case, if it could be done, tapping
    the energy associated with the ordered structure of a crystal would
    destroy the structure - and the crystal, at least in part.  I assume
    this is not what people in this conference are interested in.
    
    re: .2
    
    The lattice structure of crystals is used to transduce energy from
    one form to another, sometimes with some nice additional properties.
    For "quartz clocks", specially tuned crystals are used.  They are
    made to specific geometries to resonate at a particular desired
    frequency.  This is also used to time almost every computer's internal
    circuitry (a little computer stuff in this conference doesn't hurt).
    
    Regular patterns of the atoms allows this usage; it is akin to the
    difference between laser light and an ordinary light bulb.  The
    former is formed (using a crystal, by the way) with light waves
    which are aligned in frequency and phase.  Ordinary white light
    is random in phase and frequency.
    
    So we do know that atoms organised in a crystal form show special
    properties usable, at least, in electronics and in lasers.  Whether
    they have some other power to transduce other forms of energy is
    the subject of this topic.  I hesitate to say that "physics" says
    crystals only do what "physicists" already know about.
    
    	ed

    re: .3
    
    My understanding is that the piezoelectric crystals used by BBQs,
    etc., are transducers.  The starters must be squeezed to work. 
    The mechanical energy of your hand is changed to the electrical
    arc.  The same thing is used in ion generators for crystal dust
    removers for vinyl records.
    
    Piezoelectric crystals will take electrical energy applied across
    two parallel faces and change it to mechanical energy across two
    other parallel faces, or vice versa.
    
    	ed
    

    RE .6
    
      Also mentioned in "Edgar Cayce on Atlantis" there was a crystal
    atop a pyramid or some such building that was used to provide all
    of the Atlanteans power needs.
    
    Steve

    Given that Atlantis never existed, one may as well quote a Tom Swift
    book to show that crystals can be used this way.
    
    /Bevin

    Re Atlantis:
    
    Let it rest; there's a whole 'nother note on the subject.  However,
    since the existence of a superscientific/crystal_powered Atlantis
    is at best highly suspicious, using it as an argument is, as Bevin
    (.8) says, intellectually equivalent to quoting a Tom Swift novel.
    
    On crystals:
    
    Piezolectricity is a form of transduction.  You don't get out energy
    that wasn't put in in another form (for those like me who go back
    to the stone age, the "crystal" phonograph cartridges used in the
    early phonographs use piezolectric crystals to transform needle
    motion to electrical signals, which, when amplified, become sound
    via speakers).  Galena crystals, though, can be shown to "produce"
    energy under certain conditions.  Actually, the lead sulphide crystals
    rectify radio-frequency energy (they were the basis for the old
    "crystal sets"), and where such energy is present, they can transform
    it into something useful.
    
    Using crystals paranormally would have to take advantage of some
    characteristic enabling them to tap other energies, rather than
    that they are inherent energy _sources_, like batteries.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.                                       

    	There is a fascinating but possibly useless book about an invention
    that would somehow transduce energy in large enough quantities to
    be useful.   The book is "The Sea Of Energy In Which The Earth Floats"
    by T Henry Moray of Salt Lake City.
    	It says that Mr. Moray, in the teens and twenties, invented
    a device the size of a toaster that would draw enough energy out
    of the atmosphere to power a normal household.
    	It is said that Moray was hassled by the oil companies, who
    didn't want anyone using unmeterable power sources.   According
    to the book (written by his son) Mr. Moray died with the secret
    of some critical component of the device.
    
    	It seems that Mr. Moray had been obsessed with obtaining pure
    crystaline germanium, and had possibly constructed some unusual
    form of diode or triode.
    
    --------- another alternate energy source? ;
    
    Wilhelm Reich was said to have created a motor which drew energy
    out of the atmosphere.   He also is said to have died with some
    critical detail of the device.
    
    --------- and one more on crystals;
    
    	Nostradamus is said to have predicted that the energy crisis
    would be solved when mankind learned how to make light go in circles
    inside of crystals.
    	Perhaps there is a way to make light reflect from one facet
    of a crystal to another, without being able to escape the crystal.
    If this is possible, the crystal could be used as a battery of
    sorts.   Such a device might make solar energy much more feasable.
    
    --------- and a final note on the legendary Atlantis crystal;
    
    	Nikola Tesla (the inventor of AC generators + motors, radio,
    flourescent lights and almost everything electrical that Edison
    didn't get to first)  worked for a long time on a system to distribute
    electrical power without using wires.
    	He caused the entire planet to resonate with the power of his
    generators, and power could be picked up with nothing but a tuned
    antenna.   This system would have allowed cars and planes to operate
    without fuel tanks.   Here again there is some anecdotal evidence
    that this system was never commercially produced because of the
    economics of unmeterable power.
    	Although his system has never been duplicated (so far as I know)
    it is well authenticated.   (I am from Colo. Springs, where Tesla
    had a lab, and did these experiments.   I was told where to look
    in the Colo. Springs library by one of my Engineering professors
    here.)
    	This system, so far as distribution is concerned, is quite similar
    to the legendary "crystal of Atlantis".    Perhaps combining one
    of Nostradomus's crystal storage devices with a Tesla distribution
    system, would result in a system like the legend indicates.
    
    Does it really matter if the great crystal actually existed?  The
    concepts are there in the collective unconscious, and the legend
    may point the way to a potential invention, even if the legend is
    merest myth.
    
    	Alan Ackley.

    	An interesting aside...it seems that physics/materials research
    has yielded a superconductor that works at the temperatures of liquid
    nitrogen. This makes something like a source that holds energy
    perfectly for a long time much more practical. They say they will
    have roon temperature superconductors before "too long". 
    
    	There is no resistance in a superconductor.
    
    	Ed

    For those of you who need to catch up on metaphysics...let me
    inform you that a civilization named Lemuria existed prior to and
    into the first of the three civilizations of Atlantis.  Lemuria
    was an extremely evolved civilization (spiritually) and its major
    physical attribute was the extent to which crystals were in use
    then.  They had crystal cities located in areas that were inaccessible
    other than by teleportation.  Crystals were used much as we use
    books--i.e., as record-keeping devices or as tools for implanting
    a particular knowledge or a method for amplifying particular energies.
    These human beings were so evolved that they eventually decided
    that they no longer had a need for the physical incarnations which
    they were experiencing and eventually pretty much left "en masse"
    as their reality changed and Lemuria vanished (sunk into the Pacific
    Ocean wherein they had existed.)  Before they left, however, they
    decided to leave their knowledges and wisdoms on the planet and
    did so by implanting this information into crystals.  Thereupon
    they took these crystals around the planet and buried them in the
    ground so that there energy could be passed on the their discoverers
    as well as to other crystals and other minerals.  It just so happened
    that the second civilization of Atlantis located these super generators
    of wisdom but, being less evolved apparently, abused them.  These
    crystals then became their version of our "Saturday night special
    and they were therefore misused and abused.  Many of these same
    crystals came to rest in many other, later, hotspots of civilization
    e.g. Egypt, but never again have they regained the prominence they
    enjoyed in Lemuria.  There is at present a resurgence in their use
    but it is not anticipated to regain their former prevalent usage.
         
    Be aware that this concept, though not provable scientifically,
    can be seen to have merit.  Crystals are currently being used in
    experiments (with surprisingly "miraculous" results) at LBL 
    in Berkeley and by body workers who are getting very favorable
    results in "curing."  As was mentioned earlier in this forum, 
    the fact that piezo-electric energy exists gives creedence to 
    the possibility and even the probability that crystals can perform
    as stated herein.  See information in 316.30-34 for more sources
    of support.  Also try to located information on the crystal skulls
    that have been found throughout the world--all appear to have been
    cut from tools not thought to be human; all are of a female skull;
    all can be seen to depict scenes which are not "from this earth."
    So far 9 of these skulls have been found...all are in private hands
    and it is assumed that 4 more skulls remain.  All very intriguing,
    huh?!
                             FRED.
    

    Re .12:
    
    The existence of a Lemuria is hardly proven or verifiable.  As stated
    in your note, Fred, you take for granted that not only did Lemuria
    (or sometimes it's called "Mu") exist, but that _three_ civilizations
    existed on "Atlantis."
    
    Some of us who are well into the metaphysical scene take a lot of
    that with large doses of salt.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

     How about another *scientific* attribute of crystals
    that I have heard about that could be extrapolated to
    the use of crystals in the world of Psychic Phenomenon.
    
    According to a local crystal expert who is also tied in
    with the world of high tech ( Microsoft if I remember
    correctly), a top ranked researcher associated with Bell
    Labs has been/ is working with quartz crystals in their
    "natural" form as a computer storage device. The reasoning
    is that the quartz has the *potential* to store more
    information than currently used form of silicon. 
    
    I gleaned this information from Jack Frasl during a rather
    lenghty discussion and unfortunately cannot remember the
    name of the researcher. 
    
    Other than creating a nightmare for the chip packager
    :-) , any comments?
    
    Thom