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Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

283.0. "DEJAVU Survey (psychic phenomena)" by ESP::CONNELLY (I think he broke the President, man!) Sat Jan 10 1987 16:21

In part prompted by the survey mentioned in note 282, I'd like to conduct a
survey of the readers of this conference concerning their first-hand
experience of psychic or paranormal phenomena, with an attempt to see if
there is any correlation to religious beliefs/traditions etc.

This is a simple 2 question multiple-choice test.  Answers can be entered as
replies to this topic or MAILed to me at CGHUB::CONNELLY (if privacy is
desired).  On some regular (but not too frequent) basis, I'll enter a table
showing the totals (Question 1 x Question 2 answers) to date.  This is
strictly INTERNAL and for the enjoyment and edification of the DEC noting
population only!  One reply per person, one choice per question, please.

								paul c.
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				S U R V E Y


	1.  Which of the following statements most accurately states
	    your own experience of phenomena that could be described
	    as psychic, paranormal, magical or supernatural?  (These
	    could include: telepathy, clairvoyance, psychokinesis,
	    prophetic dreams or visions, contact with the dead or
	    with other spirits, past life recall, OOBEs, etc.)

		A.  I have experienced psychic phenomena on a
		    frequent or readily reproducible basis, and
		    I have no doubt as to their reality.

		B.  I have experienced phenomena that I believe
		    to have been psychic or paranormal, but not
		    often or reliably enough to be positive of
		    their nature.

		C.  I have experienced phenomena which could
		    have been construed to be psychic in origin,
		    but I believe they probably had a mundane
		    or non-psychic explanation.

		D.  I have not experienced any phenomena that
		    could have fit the description "psychic".


	2.  Which of the following groups does your PRESENT religious
	    belief or church membership belong in?

		A.  Judaic, Christian or Islamic (this is also
		    meant to include "non-mainstream" branches
		    such as Essene, Mormon, Unitarian, Sufi,
		    Baha'i, etc.)

		B.  Hindu, Jain, Sikh, Buddhist, Taoist,
		    Confucian or Shinto

		C.  atheist or agnostic

		D.  other religious tradition (tribal,
		    pagan, etc.)

		E.  personal religious beliefs (beliefs not
		    part of any existing tradition)

		F.  undecided or still in the process of
		    deciding
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283.1somebody had to be first...SSDEVO::YOUNGEROxygen starvation does strange things...Sat Jan 10 1987 16:437
    
    1.	A
    
    2.	D
    	And that's the most generic catch-all I've ever seen!
    
    Altar-Ego
283.2Someone has to be second.NEXUS::MORGANWalk in Balance...Sat Jan 10 1987 19:543
    1. a and 2. d.
    
      Mikie?
283.3No 3BASHER::SCOTTSun Jan 11 1987 00:487
    
    
    1.  A
    
    2.  C
    
    Roland
283.4Don't mind being countedBRAT::WALLISSun Jan 11 1987 21:336
    
    
    
        1.  A
    
        2.  E
283.5That's Simple Enough ...INK::KALLISSupport Hallowe'enMon Jan 12 1987 08:025
    
    1. A
    
    2. A
    
283.72 more cents . . .NATASH::BUTCHARTMon Jan 12 1987 08:554
    Here's my ballot:	1. B.
    			2. F.
    
    MCB
283.8USRCV1::NADROWSKICMon Jan 12 1987 09:264
    
    1) ...B...
    
    2)...A,D.....
283.9HUDSON::STANLEYShip of FoolsMon Jan 12 1987 09:353
    1)  B
    
    2)  B
283.10Here's mine too!AKOV68::FRETTSMon Jan 12 1987 09:358
    
    
    1. A
    
    2. A
    
    Carole
    
283.11BEMILRAT::KEEFEMon Jan 12 1987 09:364
    1. B
    
    2. E
    
283.12SURPLS::GOLDBERGEd GoldbergMon Jan 12 1987 11:402
    1. C
    2. F
283.13SNICKR::SSMITHMon Jan 12 1987 12:406
    
    
    				1. C
    				2. A
    
    S. SMITH
283.14AABCSE::WMSONIllegitimi non carborundumMon Jan 12 1987 13:374
    
    1. A
    2. A
    
283.15---ae---GENRAL::STAATSANSYS� is my life!?Mon Jan 12 1987 15:122
    1. A
    2. E
283.16JUST RECENTLYBAXTA::PUSHARD_MIKETue Jan 13 1987 04:113
         1.A
         2.A
    
283.17Wider survey?HUDSON::STANLEYNot Fade AwayTue Jan 13 1987 09:576
    I was thinking that it would be interesting to post this survey
    in some other conference(s).  I'm not sure which ones would be most
    appropriate but maybe SOAPBOX, HOLISTIC, etc.  That way we would
    have a wider, less biased view.
    
    		Dave
283.18WHY SOAPBOX, AND WHERE'S THE BIAS?EDEN::KLAESAlchemists get the lead out.Tue Jan 13 1987 10:105
    	How about some of those who replied start telling us some of
    their experiences in this topic, if they want to.
    
    	Larry
    
283.19HUDSON::STANLEYNot Fade AwayTue Jan 13 1987 11:049
    re: .18
    
    I only gave SOAPBOX as an example because it has a wide readership.
    The bias is that this is a conference for people who have an interest
    in psychic phenomena and that will reflect in the survey.  I thought
    other conferences would offer many different attitudes that would be
    interesting to compare to DEJAVU's.
    
    		Dave
283.20RE 283.19EDEN::KLAESAlchemists get the lead out.Tue Jan 13 1987 11:466
    	The only problem is that most of the people on SOAPBOX tend to
    either take things too seriously, or not seriously enough, and I
    have the sad feeling they would trash such a poll.
    
    	Larry
    
283.21Let's keep it here.PBSVAX::COOPERTopher CooperTue Jan 13 1987 11:5314
    It would be very difficult to get anything approaching an unbiased
    survey under these conditions.  Those who would choose to reply
    would tend to be those with a strong opinion, and a desire to present
    it.  "Real" surveys take this into account (partially) by knowing
    what percentage of the people asked actually responded.  In this
    case, we do not know how many people wouldn't have bothered to respond.
    
    I think it is much more interesting to see how a particular *biased*
    group that we are interested in (DEJAVU readers) respond.  There
    isn't much we can conclude from this about general populations or
    even readers of DEJAVU, but it does give us a certain amount of
    "feel" for our fellows.
    
    				Topher
283.23duplicate the questionsHUDSON::STANLEYNot Fade AwayTue Jan 13 1987 12:508
    re: .22
    
    If you want to get input from people that don't normally read this
    conference, you should duplicate the questions.  I think there is
    a greater chance of people answering the questions if they don't
    have to go to another conference.
    
    		Dave
283.24here's mineMSTIME::RABKETue Jan 13 1987 13:134
    1. A
    2. A
    
    Jayna
283.2550-50BRAT::WALLISTue Jan 13 1987 16:3416
    
    
    re .17
    
         You and Topher have made good points.  Another option is  
         to have a cut off date for Dejavu-ers only and then enter it
         in  other notes files.  
    
         We should consider the attention this action would have on
         folk we may or may not be interested in drawing or 
         refocusing to this conference.
            
     
       lora
    
    
283.26RE 283.25EDEN::KLAESAlchemists get the lead out.Tue Jan 13 1987 16:407
    	That's why I object to putting it in SOAPBOX.
    
    	But then again, anyone at DEC can access this Notesfile, so
    it may not matter.
    
    	Larry
    
283.27MOSAIC::NYLANDERTue Jan 13 1987 18:088
    
    
    	1.A
    	2.A
    
    
    alison
    
283.29What the hey, why not!BRAT::WALLISWed Jan 14 1987 11:1414
    
         re .28
    
                   Personally I think that would be interesting,
                   nice approach.   I still encourage giving
                   Dejavu-ers some time before putting it somewhere
                   else.  Someone said we'd only get those with
                   strong opinions.....I agree.   The only
                   thing we'll really find out is how many Dec-ies
                   fall into these categories...which is interesting
                   in itself. 
                                                   
                   
                 Lora
283.30AnonymityPBSVAX::COOPERTopher CooperWed Jan 14 1987 11:4017
RE: various previous notes.
    
    One additional problem with taking a survey through NOTES is anonymity
    (or the lack thereof).  Statements of belief in the occult,
    supernatural, or paranormal may result in discrimination.  This
    is going to skew surveys, particularly those in other conferences.
    (Which is not to say that I don't believe that there are people
    out there reading DEJAVU who are uncomfortable about posting here
    and therefore identifying themselves.  Once again I will renew my
    offer to post anonymously anything anyone sends me for that purpose
    -- I promise complete confidentiality).
    
    I would therefore recommend a mail address for people to send their
    responses if they do not wish to be identified publicly.  I don't
    know how much this will offset the bias.
    
    				Topher 
283.31CSSE32::PHILPOTTCSSE/Lang. & Tools, ZK02-1/N71Wed Jan 14 1987 12:065
	1.A
	2.A

	/. Ian .\
283.33MTV::NEWFIELDWed Jan 14 1987 13:244
    
    
    1.  A
    2.  A
283.34ORION::DONAHUEPeter 1-2658Wed Jan 14 1987 14:412
    1. D
    2. C
283.35My Kind of Survey!AIMHI::MCCAYWed Jan 14 1987 16:095
283.36Just another answerCSC32::DELKERWed Jan 14 1987 17:332
    1. B
    2. E (with a little F)
283.37In all the discussion, I almost forgot to respondPBSVAX::COOPERTopher CooperWed Jan 14 1987 18:122
    1. 1/2 A, 1/2 B
    2. E
283.39TWEED::REINKEFri Jan 16 1987 21:305
    1.	A
    2.	A
    
    Donald Reinke
    
283.40I believe what I was taught, ... but differently ...PILGRM::BAHNThe 1st 2000 lifetimes are toughest!Sun Jan 18 1987 00:266
	1.  A
        2.  Is Theosophy A, D, or E?

        Terry

283.41one more entrySPIDER::PAREWed Jan 21 1987 12:137
    
    
    
    1. B
    2. E
    
    Mary
283.42Another response ..31769::KEROUACKris Kerouac MKO 264-3483Wed Jan 21 1987 12:544
	C , A


283.43-survey answersENGINE::RAMACHANDRANRam Ramachandran, CAD/CAM Engr, CADM GroupWed Jan 21 1987 13:4123
				S U R V E Y


	1.  Which of the following statements most accurately states
	    your own experience of phenomena that could be described
	    as psychic, paranormal, magical or supernatural?  (These
	    could include: telepathy, clairvoyance, psychokinesis,
	    prophetic dreams or visions, contact with the dead or
	    with other spirits, past life recall, OOBEs, etc.)

		B.  I have experienced phenomena that I believe
		    to have been psychic or paranormal, but not
		    often or reliably enough to be positive of
		    their nature.


	2.  Which of the following groups does your PRESENT religious
	    belief or church membership belong in?

		B.  Hindu, Jain, Sikh, Buddhist, Taoist,
		    Confucian or Shinto


283.44VAXRT::CANNOYA true initiation never ends.Mon Jan 26 1987 07:324
    1. A
    2. D
    
    Tamzen
283.45DRAGON::MTK_TOMMad?! Yes, I'm mad! But I'm also ____!Mon Jan 26 1987 13:0810
    Hi, neat idea!
    
    	1. --> B
    
    	2. --> E
    
    		And I like your header.  (I think we're all 
    		 bozos on this plane.)
    
    						Tom
283.46Here'tisORION::HERBERTWherever you go, there you are!Mon Jan 26 1987 13:283
    1.  B
    2.  E
    
283.47two peas in a podMIST::IVERSONSun Feb 08 1987 17:335
    Renee-----1.A  2.E
    
    Thom-----1.A  2.E
    
283.48Sound familiar?REGENT::BROOMHEADDon't panic -- yet.Mon Feb 23 1987 12:403
    1.B.
    2.E.
    		-- Ann B.
283.50Cutoff date? What Cutoff Date?KIRK::PIERSONFri Apr 17 1987 19:512
    B
    C
283.51Survey ReplyNYOA::LENTMon Dec 28 1987 16:015
    
    1. A
    2. A
    
    Karen
283.52Another survey answerXOTE::EMLICHLoose clips don't sink chipsTue Dec 29 1987 18:112
    1. C
    2. A.
283.53BAXTA::DUCHARME_GEOWed Dec 30 1987 11:572
    1.  A
    2.  C abnostic
283.54VAXWRK::FERNANDEZOnce there was a way...Wed Dec 30 1987 16:183
    1 c
    2 a
    
283.55#55DV780::WILSONPI'm a traveler on the path...Wed Dec 30 1987 16:426
    1.  B
    2.  D
    
    BLESSED BE,
    
    PAT
283.56SHRBIZ::WAINELindaWed Dec 30 1987 17:269
    
    
    1. A
    2. None of the above.  I belong to the Aquarian Foundation.
    
    
    Have a Happy, Healthy, & Pro$perou$ New Year...
    
    Linda
283.57and this just off the wire...LEZAH::BOBBITTeasy as nailing jello to a tree...Mon Jan 04 1988 13:082
    1. B
    2. A  
283.58A2GLASS::PAGELMon Jan 04 1988 15:404
       1.  a
    
       2.  a
    
283.59Not 2bCLUE::PAINTERLife only appears to be chaotic.Tue Jan 05 1988 10:483
    
    1. B
    2. A
283.60I confessHPSCAD::DDOUCETTEIs materialism worth the money?Thu Jan 07 1988 15:053
    1. B
    
    2. E (with strong leaning towards A)
283.61I gotta be meSARAH::BUEHLERFacts are stubborn thingsThu Jan 07 1988 19:466
  1. C

  2. C

John
283.63am I too late?SALEM::AMARTINVanna & me are a numberFri Jan 08 1988 03:052
    1. a
    2. e
283.64I am ISALES::RFI86Lesh is more in'88Fri Jan 08 1988 12:355
    1)b
    
    2)A - quaker/episcopalian(nice mix huh:-)
    
    						Geoff
283.65count me in FSTTOO::ROYERFIDUS AMICUS..Fri Jan 08 1988 13:017
    
    
    1.  A
    
    2.  A
    
    DAVE
283.668^DBUSY::MAXMIS11Serendipity 'R' usFri Jan 08 1988 13:145
    
    
                                   1) A
    
                                   2) A
283.67(yet another)MTBLUE::JENNINGS_RICFri Jan 08 1988 14:047
    
    
    
    
    
                       1. a
                       2. a
283.68bbbbbbbbbCABALA::BERNSTEINUp to old tricksFri Jan 08 1988 14:555
    1. B
    
    2. B
    
    	Ed
283.69From *ME*BSS::BLAZEKA new moon, a warm sum...Fri Jan 08 1988 16:204
    
    				1.  A
    				2.  E
    
283.70Okay, I'll play.30841::GUEST_TMPHOME, in spite of my ego!Fri Jan 08 1988 17:069
    1.  A
      
    2.  none of the above (yes, I read it carefully.)
    


      
    Frederick
    
283.71apologies from the pollster32032::CONNELLYEye Dr3 -- Regnad KcinFri Jan 08 1988 19:0736

I can see that my attempt to cover all bases (as far as
answers go) has not been exactly overwhelmingly successful,
based on some of the "none of the above" answers and other
off-line MAIL exchanges I have had with some folks.  If I
had to do it over, I would add an answer that equated to
"{none of the above | I felt your phrasing of the question
was invalid | not applicable | no opinion}" for BOTH of the
questions.

Just to try to promote some of the answers to question 2. as
possibly more palatable to those who find them lacking:
	C)  could also reasonably include an approach such
		as "I feel religion is irrelevant or
		otherwise not an appropriate framework
		for viewing psychic/spiritual/psychological
		phenomena" as well as just "atheist" or
		"agnostic"
	D)  could definitely be construed to include much
		newer "traditions" than the old "pagan" or
		"tribal" belief systems: for instance,
		neo-pagan, Theosophical, Rosicrucian,
		Eckanar, etc.--really any coherent spiritual
		philosophy that is shared by some number of
		people (i.e., it doesn't have to be "ancient"
		or even "old" to be a tradition)
	E)  could include folks who have incorporated beliefs
		from A) through D) but who believe they have
		a unique slant on those beliefs that is not
		really shared by any group of people

I was torn between D) and E) myself, and finally recorded
myself as F), figuring that if I was REALLY decided about it
I wouldn't be having such a hard time picking one.
							paul
283.72they asked me my name--i got 50% on that one32032::CONNELLYEye Dr3 -- Regnad KcinFri Jan 08 1988 19:1914
re: .-1
>		Eckanar, etc.--really any coherent spiritual
>		philosophy that is shared by some number of
>		people 

I meant to add "that is outside any of the so-called 'mainstream'
traditions" somewhere in there.

BTW, 32032:: is actually MERCY::, clustered with CGHUB::, (DMATE's
network database has apparently missed a coupla updates), if
anyone wants to send me MAIL with suggestions, explanations or
criticisms for the NEXT survey!:-)  (I think the consensus was
not to go with the idea of expanding this survey into other
conferences, so as not to attract "harassing"-type people back here.)
283.73Not FairSLOVAX::HASLAMThu Mar 31 1988 21:024
    What about the in-betweens?    B and whatever letter my own personal
    beliefs fall under.
    
    Barb