Conference hydra::dejavu

    Garden of the Gods park in Colorado Springs is a very good place
    if you are looking for power spots.  It was also the site of some
    Native American ceremonies.  Since I live within 10 miles of it
    I go there often.
    
    Also, Zion canyon in Zion National Park was believed by the Native
    Americans to be full of evil spirits.  So bad, in fact, that they
    would not stay there after dark.  When I was there I felt some negative
    energy from there.
    
    Kathleen

    I've finally learned the rest of the itinery ... after I  meet  them
    and Linda and I depart, Lois will be traveling to:
    
         o  Sequoia National Park
         o  Kings Canyon National Park
         o  Yosemite National Park
         o  Mono Lake
         o  Pyramid Lake
         o  Lassen Volcano
         o  Mount Shasta
         o  Crater Lake
         o  Mount Ranier National Park
         o  North Cascades National Park
         o  Glacier National Park
         o  and back across the northern United States
    
    She may be going through the Badlands and by Jewel Caves and Picture
    Rocks.  Anyone know of any good power spots along the implied route?
    (I've already received MAIL about Mount Shasta  and  I'm  sure  that
    many of the above are themselves power spots ... any others?)
    
    Thanks,
    Terry
                                                      

    Shiprock, in northwestern New Mexico, is THE sacred spot for the
    Hopis. So hot, in fact, that their legends state that they will
    be safe () as long as the tribe lives on in that vicinity.
    
    KM

    Any news or word from your wife on how this trip is going?
                                   
    Pax
    Addie

Addie,

How nice of you to ask ... I had a call from Linda just this morning ...

She and Lois are at Lake Powell in (I think) Arizona.  They've had good  weather
and  have,  therefore,  camped all the way since they left New Jersey on May 31.
(They did have a bit of trouble in that respect ... the nylon zipper on the tent
broke ... fortunately, Linda's mother had suggested they take a supply of safety
pins.)  They've had some confusion with time zones.  Apparently, they discovered
only  today  or  yesterday  that they had crossed another zone ... they're now 3
hours "away" from Boston ... hmmm, phoning across the country gives one  another
odd  perspective for the time question in this conference ... anyway, Linda asks
me what time it is on each of her calls.

Earlier, I received cards from Longs Peak and Bear  Lake  (I  think  they're  in
Colorado) and from Rocky Mountain National Park ... Linda hasn't made any direct
references on the phone or in cards  about  any  power  spots  they've  seen  or
psychic  phenomena  in  general  ... she's probably afraid that her mother might
"freak" (have I dated myself) over that sort of thing  ...  mostly,  I've  heard
about stuff like:

      o  hiking in the snow in shorts at 75 degrees

      o  how little Mount Washington is by comparison to western mountains

      o  how dry it is out there

      o  how good and inexpensive the Mexican food is

Next Friday (6/20), I'm flying to Las Vegas to meet them.   Then,  Linda  and  I
will  be driving back.  I'll try to remember to keep you posted ... remind me if
I don't.

Terry

	    The Black Mesa of the Colorado Plateau, in Arizona, is des-
	cribed like this in a leaflet I have:  ". . . not only some of
	the most energy and mineral-rich lands in the world, but they
	are also crucial to the global climatological balance.  Several
	scientific studies have shown that these lands are essential in
	maintaining the world's electrical and magnetic balance, these
	energy fields being the main regulators of global weather pat-
	terns."
	    These lands are now occupied by Navajo and Hopi Indians.
	In the center is Big Mountain, considered holy to Navajos.
	    On July 8th, the federal government is supposed to have
	relocated 10,000 Indians so that they can start mining there.
			<_Jym_>

    re .6:
    
    What sort of a leaflet _is_ that?
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

	    It's a political leaflet put out by the Big Mountain
	Legal Defense/Offense Committee, a group opposing the
	relocation.
			<_Jym_>

    Regarding Big Mountain......I am reminded again of an Indian saying
    and I forget the source but it goes like this: "The White man made many
    promises but they kept but one, they promised to take our land and
    they did".
                                                                  
    Pax
    Addie

    
    	A number of years ago I was watching a late night movie...about
    some indians who were quite upset at being displaced from their
    original land and pushed onto a reservation from which they were
    now being displaced again.
    	the hero of the story...an army officer...attempting to stop
    the indians from further aggressiveness...pleaded with them to
    just leave the settlers alone...he said he would talk to the white
    chief and see what he could do to help them but...he said...you
    can't kick these settlers off their property..why..some of them
    have been here over 20 years....
    	hmmmmmmm
    	20 years...
    	the indians had been there  for centuries...but it was ok to
    kick them off....i didn't quite understand his logic/reasoning...
    
    	two days late...i caught another western...with jack nicholson..
    a criminal who was saved from the gallows by a woman willing to
    marry him.....at point in the movie a deputy is tacking a notice
    onto the front door of a little house......
    
    	THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN SEIZED BY THE GOVT AND BIG BUSINESS
    	BY VIRTUE OF EMMINENT DOMAIN SO GET OFF.....
    
    	the owner of the house heard the rapping of the nail and hammer
    as performed by the deputy and he opened the door and read the notice
    
    he said....you can't do this...my kin been livin here for 30 years...
    and the deputy,  caring not a twit, told him it was the law and
    there fore he did have a right to do it....
    
    	so the white people can kick indians off of land that they have
    occupied for centurie.
    	indians can't kick off whites who have been there for days.
    	the govt can kick anyone off anytime they please....
    
    	america..america....blah blah blah blah.......
    
    anyone got an island?
    
    

>     	so the white people can kick indians off of land that they have
>     occupied for centurie.
>     	indians can't kick off whites who have been there for days.
>     	the govt can kick anyone off anytime they please....
>     

And the British can kick the Palestinians (sp?) out but the Palestinians
can't kick the Israelis out...And the Irish can't kick out the British...

What it amounts to is that the group with the largest amount of weaponry
can do whatever they want to the groups with less. If you don't like it,
you fight back however you can. But "rights" to land is a very tricky
thing and "length of time in one spot" isn't always the best measure of
who "owns" what land.

DDA

P.S. Before anyone flames me, I don't support the PLO or other random
groups who want the Israelis to just get up and leave. The point is that
the Islraelis are THERE and the Palestinians are THERE as well. They should
try to live together THERE instead of trying to kill each other off.

    
    re. 10 and 11
    
    i really don't want to be a stick in the mud but i read this notes
    file for pleasure and knowledge.  I DO NOT READ THIS NOTES FILE
    FOR POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS.  sorry for yelling
    
    			have a nice and peaceful day
    				froggy
    

> < Note 134.12 by BIGALO::TURCOTTE_PAU >
>     i really don't want to be a stick in the mud but i read this notes
>     file for pleasure and knowledge.  I DO NOT READ THIS NOTES FILE
>     FOR POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS.  sorry for yelling
>    				froggy

I was simply pointing out that it wasn't just the white man and the
native American, that people have done this to people for quite some time.

$SET MODE ANNOYED

I read this file for what the participants have to say as they are
interesting people for the most part and there is alot of stimulating
discussion. If I feel moved to contribute, I do. Yes, this is DEJAVU,
not OPPRESSION or POLITICAL DISCUSSIONS and hence my posting may have
been out of place. I guess what I am saying is that I don't like being
yelled at for it, unless the moderator is doing the yelling.

$SET MODE NORMAL

Ok?

DDA

    I was going to write a nasty reply but what the hell I did not want
    to start an argument and i still don't.
    I have my opinion and you have yours.
    
    			have a hoppy
    			   froggy
    

    I'm happy.....
    are you happy?
    is everyone having a good time?
    
    dda....how's your synth?....uh oh...that's music...I better not
    ask that....I'll get yelled at again....
    
    rik
    

	    Just about all the Native American sacred lands out west
	have been made into National or State Parks.  They (Native
	Americans) have great respect for natural beauty.
	    The most magical places I saw were (in my own subjective
	order):

	    o Canyon de Chelly, Arizona.
	    o Big Mountain area, Arizona.
	    o Garden of the Gods, Colorado.
	    o Mesa Verde, Colorado.
	    o Devil's Tower, Wyoming.

	Navajos would but Big Mountain at the top of the list, as
	they regard it as the home of the spirits.  I didn't go
	to Big Mountain itself, but the entire region - the Colorado
	Plateau in the Painted Desert - is really incredible.
	    Probably not coincidentally, my subjective order also
	reflects how unspoiled the spots are.  Canyon de Chelly has
	no RV hookups.
	    Also, I have no idea why "Devil's Tower" is given such
	a sinister name - it was probably dubbed by the same clowns
       	who refer to the buttes in South Dakota as "badlands."
			<_Jym_>

    re .-1
    
    	During one of the lunar eclipses a few years back (lunar is
    at night isn't it?) my wife and I decided to go to the Garden of
    the Gods to watch.  Not only was the sight incredible (the moon
    took on a very reddish, spherical 3D image) but the feelings in
    the park during that period of time were *very* powerful.  We decided
    to let out our dog, who is usually the first to bound out when the
    door is opened, but she just cowered on the floor, not willing to
    move.  What a feeling that place has!
    
    _stew-

	    I had a dream this morning, where I was back in the Garden
	of the Gods!  When I realized that it was Tuesday, my vacation
	was over, and I should be back in New England, a voice told me
	that I was dreaming, and I could come back to the Garden of the
	Gods in my dreams!
			<_Jym_>

    	In my own cross country travels I thought that the Salt River
    Canyon in southern Arizona (on the way to Tucson) was very powerful.
    It made me feel almost hyper when I was there.  It was an awake
    feeling that bordered on pain in it's striking awareness.
    
    						Jorge'

    Does anyone know of Moon Rock which is between Mt. Adams and Mt.
    Madison in the White Mountains?  It is a huge piece of quartz.  Is this
    a power spot?
    
    		Dave

	I don't know if it is a power spot but that area is
     nick named thunderstorm ridge because it is often struck
     by lighting. 

	Last time I was there I got hypothermia in the middle 
     of summer, it was during a lighting storm and the group's
     hair was standing on end from the static electricity.    
     Clouds were billowing around us and the place was swarming 
     with bugs.

	John

    How does one 'find' power spots?  Is one time of day better than
    another time of day to find a power spot?
    
    mary
    

re; < Note 134.22 by COOKIE::CABANYA >

>    How does one 'find' power spots?  Is one time of day better than
>    another time of day to find a power spot?

I think it's a personalized issue.  Garden of the Gods has plenty of power 
spots!  Pick the time of day when you feel most alert, awake, alive, and go 
where you feel your heart calling you.  I found a spot in the Garden this 
morning that I'd never been to before, but I just "knew" it was there, and 
followed that "knowledge".

Meredith

    The latest issue (February 1991) of "Backpacker (Wilderness Travel)" 
    magazine has an extensive section devoted to power spots.  
    I'll quote a bit ...
    
    				The Spirit of Place
    
    	There is another kind of geography, beneath the ordinary latitudes and
    	longitudes, the contour lines, the earth and water, ice and stone. 
    	Spend time in the backcountry ... and you begin to pick up on it; the
    	energy, the power, the magic, if you will, that underlies every
    	landscape, surfacing to make some places extraordinary, transcendent.
    	... The spirit of the place touches you, gives you a message, a secret
    	sign. ..."
    
    It includes "Hallowed Ground" a hikers guide to sacred sites in the US,
    and a map showing 69 of these power sites.  They've also added a brief
    description of each (along with the obvious warnings to be respectful,
    etc. to the areas and their inhabitants).  For example:
    
    	Mt. Washington, NH
    	Called Waumbeket Methna or "Home of the Great Spirit" by the local
    	native cultures who considered its summit forbidden land and
    	rarely, if ever, ventured to its top.
    
    
    Interesting, and a handy guide to have along on your next "wilderness
    trek" - just in case you haven't found them all on your own already ;-)
    
    
    Cindy-2
    

    Thanks Cindy-2, I'll have to pick up a copy of the magazine.  BTW,
    who was the author?
    
    Hmmm, sounds like a field trip to Mount Washington is in order...
    
    Ro
    

    
    I spent 6 full weeks one summer on MT Washington working for
    WMTW-TV,which has transmitters there. It definately is an interesting
    place and such natural beauty,but,I didnt really notice anything or
    feel anything different than any place else,and,I lived there for a
    week at a time. What do you think it would feel like? I would recommend
    a couple of nites on the top,for the experience.
    
    Peace
    Michael
    

    Re: .25
    
    
    Actually, there were two authors:  The Spirit of Place, by
    Rob Schultheis; and The Science of Sacred Places, Hallowed Ground,
    and Sacred Sites by Jeff Rennicke.
    
    
    				Mount Shasta, CA
    
    	Sits on the intersection of the east/west and north/south alignment
    	of sacred mountains.  Some visitors claim glimpses of the future
    	while near the mountain.  For centuries people have reported
    	hearing "bells" at times when on the mountain.
    
    
    
    By the way, this magazine is published by Rodale Press.
    
    C-2
     

    Thanks Cindy-2.
    
    Mike (.26),
    
    Having been drawn to visit Mt. Shasta when I was in California last
    May, I would say that the messages I received were subliminal.  Nothing
    dramatic occurred, just an inner knowing that it was a sacred place and
    I was learning subconsciously what I *needed* to learn from the
    experience.
    
    Myself and a couple of friends (who also note in Dejavu) will be taking
    a six month Guided Pilgrimage in this very subject - the Art of
    Placemaking given by Ross Jennings.  We will visit places in the New
    England area one Saturday each month connecting with the spirit of the
    site.  This is a step for me in doing my part in the healing of Mother
    Earth.
    
    Ro
    

    Ro
    
     I think I know what you are saying,I had a special place,a grove of
    pines,during my early childhood,that I would go to and meditate and
    connect with something that I wasnt sure what,but,I knew it was there.
    Hope your experiences are fruitfull.
    
    Peace
    Michael
    

Is Mt. Watadic (sp? - in Northern Ma., west of Nashua, NH) mentioned, or has
anyone heard of, been to, this place.  I went there one night, with several 
friends.  And though I was never truly out of sight of any of them, only my
husband was ever able to find me - I was involved in a rather personal
experience while there.  It does appear to be a gateway of some sort, or at
least a power point.  I was taken there by a friend who had been there before.
Her "tradition" was to request permission to climb the mountain, and leave a
gift at the base rock (viewed from the proper angle, a face could be seen).  
Another gift would be left on the return trip down.

Being on the mountain at night is interesting.  There was the distinct impression
that we were wanted at a particular location on the peak, and attempts to go
to different places wound up in lost trails (in the forward direction only.  we
could always get back to the "desired" point).

Beth

    
    No, but they do mention Bear Butte, SD
    
    8-)
    

    Cindy-2,
    
    I bought a copy of the magazine at lunch.  I'm looking forward to
    reading it.
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Ro
    

    
    Ro....where did you find the magazine?
    
    Also, I'm one of the Dejavuer's who will be joining Ro in the
    Guided Pilgrimage program.  Can't wait!
    
    Carole

    Hi Carole,
    
    I went to a drug store, a card shop, and finally found it at the Book
    Corner (they care an extensive magazine selection).  Darn, my intuition
    told me to pick up the other two copies.
    
    If you have trouble locating it, let me know and I'll get it for you.
    
    See you soon...
    
    Ro
    
    
    

I hear bells every time I hike up Pikes Peak it's the brain's alarm crying
out GIVE ME OXYGEN!
Nothing magical or mystical about it.

-j

    re: .35,
    
>I hear bells every time I hike up Pikes Peak it's the brain's alarm crying
>out GIVE ME OXYGEN!
>Nothing magical or mystical about it.
    
    That's good :-)    The same thing happened to me on my wedding day,
    I was oxygen-starved and I heard bells.  Nothing mystical or magical 
    about it. The next thing I knew, I was changing diapers and looking for 
    a power spot to hide in.
    
    ;-) ;-)
    
    Toddy
    
    	P.S.  Some people shouldn't enter NOTES at holiday time, they're
    	just too silly.