Conference hydra::dejavu

    You seem to be combining two dream types.
    
    the first is what's often called "the Hag That Comes In The Night,"
    which is the crushing/pressure sensation withy inability to breathe.
     There was a book of that title written on the subject some years
    ago, and there was a short articler on the phenomenon in the March
    or April issue of _Fate_; I forget which.
    
    I've not experienced the second type of dream, and will withold
    comment.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    RE: .1
    
    Hm.  Interesting clarification.  I guess the reason I combined
    them is because they both start with the same feeling that I'm
    lying in bed awake.
    
    Is the article in the 1986 Mar/April issue of FATE?
    
    -M-

    re .2:
    
    The March _or_ April issue.  This is mildly embarrassing that I
    can't remember which date, since I have an article of my own in
    the same issue.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    The description of the base note is very interesting;  I to, was
    also  plagued by dreams where I thought I was awake and couldn't
    move or scream my self awake.  Always it was fear and terror filled
    for me.
    
    Then about ten years after my grandmother died I kept having the
    same recurring awful dream in which We are walking together.  In
    my mind as I would talk to her that she was dead.  
    Then she would turn in a zombie and then just a flesh deteriorating
    corpse.  I hated to go to sleep, to dream of her and then not be
    able to awaken and petrified with fear when I couldn't.  Finally
    I decided that if in dreams only  We could be together
    then I would just concentrate on the good part of the dream and
    remember (in the dream) that she wasn't that zombie.  At the same
    time I had been reading a book called Pscho-cybernetics in
    which the author spoke of the relaxation state to relieve stress
    or fear.  He mentioned that if you let your body completely relax
    you can't feel either.  I decided to apply it to my next nightmare
    and sure enough not too long afterward it started up again.
    In this dream, I am with my grandmother and I can feel the love
    and all the old familiar things that made her special and the next
    thing I realize is that I am dragging her decayed corpse around
    and the fear overwhelms me and I can't wake up.   I kept reminding
    my self that it wasn't her and that I was dreaming and that if I
    relaxed completely I would wake up.
    And you know, as soon as my body went limp I was instantly awake.
    I don't dream of her as much anymore but I do it is always pleasant
    I never again had the corpse part of the dream and when ever I find my 
    self in a dream whereI can't awaken and am petrified with fear I
    always find that if I control the fear by relaxing my body the fear
    goes away.  
    
    The last time I dreamt of her she came to me and kept gently nuging my
    leg and as she was doing that she said "Wake up, Wake up, Brian (my son 
    was two years old at the time) is downstairs and he is in danger".
    It was pleasant to have her nudging me like she used to when I was
    a child but then she seemed to communicate a sense of urgency that
    vibrated through my kneecap and I awoke immediately.  I went into
    his bedroom  and he wasn't there.I rushed downstairs and found him in
    the kitchen playing in the darkness with the gas jets to the stove.
     
    Perhaps she had been preparing me .....Who knows?
    

    RE: .0
    
    I have also had dreams where I felt I was being held down, couldn't
    move or even scream.  I had them nightly for about 4 months once.
    Even after I woke up I wouldn't be able to move.  I believed at the 
    time that they were part of a psychic attack, but someone has posed 
    the possiblity that it was something from within myself that I had
    awakened.  I have never had the second type of dream.
    
    The "Hag which comes in the night" story is in the March issue of
    Fate if it's in the same one that Steve's article is in.
    
    RE: .4                                               
    My own grandmother told me she had a dream of someone telling her
    I was in danger in a dream when I was staying with her.  She woke
    up and looked in on me.  I had the covers knotted around my head
    and was having trouble breathing.
    
    The reasons for these?  I don't know if it's someone communicating
    from the grave or if it is the child's spirit guides or gardian
    angel protecting the child, or possibly a psychic link between parent
    and child.
    
    Any ideas?
    
    Kathleen
    

    RE: .5
    
    That possibility you mention, that "something from within" has
    been awakened rings a bell.  Once, while having one of the dreams,
    I started out thinking that I was awake, then began to notice the
    tinge of unreality, and decided that this must be a dream.  But
    I was fascinated to observe that I could hear my breathing, even
    though I felt I was being choked, and could see the correct degree
    of light in the room for the hour of the night (confirmed when I
    woke up).  I have speculated that somehow my conscious mind is
    observing me dreaming--during the REM state when dreams occur,
    the body goes limp, supposedly as a neat biological short circuit
    to keep the dreamer from hurting him/herself.  Could it be that
    the confusion and terror result from being caught between two
    states of consciousness?  Certainly when I dream "normally" I
    am not at all aware of my body or mental state until I awake.
    
    Perhaps the imminence of an OOBE is what accounts for the split.
    Fascinating . . .
    
    -M-

    When I lived in Highland Park, NJ, I had nightmares quite often.
    Now that I'm away from that house I feel that there was some sort
    of "evil" presence.  In one dream, I thought that I had woken up
    and I sat up in bed.  I noticed in mid air at the bottom of the
    bed there was spot about three feet in diameter that was much darker
    than the rest of the darkened room.  It looked like a hole in the
    air.  I had no fear of it, but wanted it to go away for some reason.
    I started to mime the shooting of arrows into it (I pretended that
    I had a bow and a pile of arrows). After about three pretend shots,
    it rushed at me and flattened me against the bed. I felt like it
    was suffocating me.  I tried to scream, but nothing would come out.
    I guess I actually did scream, because my wife shook me and woke
    me up.  I didn't realise that it was a dream until that point. It
    was a while before I could go back to sleep because the "vibes"
    of the dream were still very strong.  I never did figure out what
    was in that house.
    
    		Dave

    In my case I was probably being psychicly attacked by a particular
    person.  This happened continually at that time.  It was also
    immediately preceeded by my first OOBE.  There was also a presence
    it the house.  Any or all of these things could be a cause.
    
    I guess I'll never know.  This equation has too many variables.
    
    /Kathleen
    

    Re: .9 -
    
    I recall reading about that research into the temporary paralysis
    that occurs when the brain enters the REM state.  A "misfire", as
    you called it, is not beyond the realm of possibility.  I have a
    definite tendency towards what I've heard called polyphasic thought
    processes, which most often manifest under stress.  A common thing
    most people experience in this regard is having one thought process
    going on while a song is playing over and over in their heads. 
    This is quite common for me when I'm under stress, and I took up
    a meditative discipline at one time to try to calm me down.  What
    happened many times (much to my distress) was that part of me would
    calm down, be focused on the mantra, breathing or whatever, and
    some other part of my mind would be playing my stress tape.  I could
    not seem to get both parts of my mind to focus on one thing when
    stress levels get to a certain point.  So if nerves were misfiring
    and I was conscious of being in the REM state at the same time as
    I was actually experiencing it--I could well believe that.
    
    Re: .8, I also think that the equation has too many variables.
    There are possible physical ones, and any number of psychic ones.
    So I may never know, either (sigh).
    
    The one quite odd thing about these dreams is that my body doesn't
    seem to react like it does to "ordinary" nightmares.  When I wake
    from a distressing dream, even if I am paralyzed while having it,
    my heart is often racing, and I'm sweating with fear, or making
    ugly little noises that scare my husband.  When I awaken from these
    dreams, even though the terror can be intense, there are no physio-
    logical sensations of the terror upon coming up to full consciousness.
    
    Have others of you experienced this when visited by the Hag in the
    Night?
    
    Marcia

	    I've often thought that the (reportedly quite common)
	dreams where one suddenly discovers that one is naked are
	a result of actually being naked in bed . . .
			<_Jym_>

    To Marcia and others:
    
    Welcome to the world of Oobe's.  The terror you have felt is
    experienced by most people in the early learning stages of Oobe's.
    The item you fear is your "shadow".
    
    Let me try to explain the terror.  It is a terror of losing control.
    My terror lasted for years until I accepted it.  I thought demons
    were attacking me so I fought it off.  Needless to say the more
    I fought the more I suffered the terror.  The terror can indeed
    draw discarnat entities so it is a good thing to learn the lesson
    quickly and get on with the growth.  The important thing is to not
    let out emotional energies in an uncontrolled fashion.
    
    Now for the shadow.  The shadow is a repository of all your repressed
    ignored, and thrown off fears.  Humans tend not to want to keep
    these fears inside their bodies so we keep these fears located just
    outside.  It's sorta like a emotional junk pile that gets formed
    into a gestalt and becomes something greater than the sum of its
    parts.
    
    I was confronted by the shadow on my first Oobe.  It scared me so
    bad I didn't try again for 10 years.  After I was told what it was
    I learned to accept it as my dark side.  Soon after that I accepted
    the shadow back into my being so that I could work on my fears and
    not repress them.  This process takes time so don't rush it.
    
                                 (*)

    re .11:
    
    Oddly enough, the few dreams _I_ had about suddenly being undressed
    were in the days I wore pajamas!
    
    re .12:
    
    Some of the experiences could be toed to OBEs; others definitely
    sound different.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    This is my dream, although I haven't had it in a while, it used
    to be quite frequent.
    
    The dream would start very realistically as if I was sleeping in the
    same place and time that it should have been. Often times, some
    type of event occurred that resulted in a paralysis. In the first dream
    that I remembered I was 'zapped' by a flying saucer. In this particular
    dream the flying saucer was very small and so hokey that it had
    to be fake, but in my dream state that didn't affect how real the
    dream felt.
    
    In any case, in my dream I realize that I become completely 
    paralyzed. Usually someone will come into the room where I am sleeping
    (I usually start these dreams alone) and attempt to wake me, always
    without success and leave thinking aloud "Gee, you must be tired,
    I'll let you sleep." This seems to emphasize the fact that, in my
    dream I'm not asleep. I become terrified, and want to scream out 
    but of course I can't. I wake terrified and am unable to go back 
    to sleep.
    
    I'm really fascinated by the previously mentioned dreams and wonder
    what causes them, and why they are so similar. With this exception,
    I seldom have terrifying dreams.  
    
    Comments or other stories?
    
    Kent
    

    re .15:
    
    Thyis is "the hag that comes in the night" phenomenon mentioned
    earlier.  It is not technically a succubus, since the oppression
    isn't sexual.  But it can be quite frightening.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

    Since these dreams seem to come most frequently to me when I am
    under stress, there are probably physical explanations for them.
    But on the psychic side, I wonder if the Hag is attracted to discharges
    of strong negative emotion, such as would be produced by stress,
    grief, etc.?
    
    The experiences that led me to speculate:  while I lived in Arlington,
    I lived in two different apartments, both in two-family-style houses.
    The first one was _old_, and even though I eventually became quite
    fond of the place, it made me feel distinctly uneasy.  This was
    when I began to visited regularly by the hag.  Moving our sleeping
    place to another room helped some, but I still had the dreams.
    
    The second house was _new_ (like less than 5 years) and the first
    night we slept in it, I woke with the purest feeling of peace and
    safety, which I mentioned to my husband.  I really felt refreshed
    and cleansed there.  All went well until one night our favorite
    cat died of feline leukemia, after going into convulsions on the
    bedroom floor.  We were heartbroken, and now the place gave me the
    creeps.  About a month later, the hag started visiting again, and 
    these intense dreams were the worst by far.  I continued to have 
    them from time to time during the 4 years we lived there.
    
    Now I admit that my pet's death was a spur of sorts that kicked
    off a long fearful period that led to my going to a therapist to
    get back "the noive".  So the nightmares could have been purely
    related to my mental state.  But if the hag can indeed be a psychic 
    manifestation of sorts, can it (they?) be attracted to fearful, 
    depressed emotional vibrations?
    
    In our house in Westford we also had a pet die this past winter,
    and I've not experienced any "haunting" sensations, possibly because
    even though I grieved I am now in a stronger state of mind than
    back then.
    
    Marcia
    we lived in that place.
    

The following is extracted from an article in the last issue (26 June,
1986; Vol 110 #1514; pp60-62) of *New Scientist*, a British popular science
magazine.  This contains only part of what is discussed, so I recommend
that anyone who is interested read the original.

I attempted to retain the various British spellings, but is easy to
accidentally type the "correct" (i.e., American) spellings.  Of course, the
spelling corrector does not catch "accidentally correct" spellings.  I
therefore apologize in advance for any inconsistencies in this regard.

NOTE: That sleep researchers know *about* this phenomena, have named it and
have learned something about its characteristics, doesn't mean that they
know what it is.  Of course, that they don't really know what it is doesn't
mean that it is supernatural or even paranormal, either.

		    Topher
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
	TO SLEEP, PERCHANCE TO KILL
	    by Morton Schatzman

One night last August, some extraordinary events befell Colin Kemp, a
33-year-old salesman from Caterham.  About 2 hours after going to sleep --
so he later reported -- he experienced two Japanese soldiers chasing
through a jungle trying to kill him.  [Kemp fights with the soldiers,
strangling one.  He] awoke -- hot, sweaty and panicky.

His wife, Ellen, who had gone to sleep beside him, was lying there ... she
was dead.  He had strangled her in his sleep.

[Kemp's defense was that he was not responsible since he had been asleep
and had not intended to kill her; effectively, temporary insanity]
Psychiatrists for the defence testified that, while asleep, Kemp had
suffered a "night terror".  The jury acquitted him of the charge, and he
was freed. ...

A night terror (also called a "sleep terror" or _pavor_nocturnus_) is an
arousal from sleep accompanied by intense anxiety.  It lasts for 1 to 3
minutes.  The physical effects include an enormous acceleration of the heart
rate, sometimes to more than twice the previous rate, a great increase in
the rate and depth of breathing, profuse perspiration, a sudden loud
piercing scream or series of screams -- sometimes swearing, a cry for help,
or a moan -- and, most relevant to the Kemp case, physical movement.
Typically, still asleep, the person sits up in bed.  The sleeping person
may also get out of bed and move through the house as though in flight.
He or she may carry out complex acts, including destructive ones, such as
slashing a picture, punching through a glass door, or assaulting a spouse.

Kemp told me that about 8 months before the fatal event, he had twice felt
pursued in his sleep.  On one occasion he had thumped Ellen, and she had
woken him to find out what was going on.  On the other occasions he had
kneed her in the back.

Night terrors reportedly occur in about 3 per cent of children between 1 and
14 years old.  In adults, night terrors are unusual, and generally happen
only after stress experienced during waking hours, or in people predisposed
to such experiences.  Night terrors and sleepwalking frequently occur in
the same individuals.

After the initial arousal from a night terror it takes the individual 5 to
10 minutes to become fully awake.  Adults may recall the experience not at
all or only vaguely.  When they recall what happened they usually describe
feelings of falling, or being crushed or struck by some force.  They may
feel closed in, trapped, or abandoned, or as thought they are the target of
others' aggression.  Sensations of choking or dying are also common.  A
night terror is similar to a transient paranoid episode.

A night terror is not the same as a nightmare.  Both are characterised by
fear and an increased heart rate and respiratory rate, though the increase
is less in a nightmare than in a night terror.  The similarity between the
two phenomena ends there.  A night terror is not a dream.  Dreams occur
during a phase of sleep characterised by rapid eye movements (REM).  Night
terrors, on the other hand, occur during an arousal from non-dreaming sleep
-- non-REM sleep -- generally in the first third of the night's sleep.  A
nightmare is the distinct detailed recall of a disturbing dream sequence. 
By contrast, the elements that someone recalls of a night terror, as when a
person wakes from non-REM sleep generally, are less elaborate, less vivid
and less dramatic -- less like a dream in other words.

[Personally, I think that this definition of "dream" (restricting it to REM
sleep events) is bullsh*t.  It's clearly putting the horse (mare?) before
the cart.  It may be a useful distinction in *technical terminology* but
it ignores that there is a common word with a more general, non-technical
meaning.  I have read other researchers refer to "REM dreams" as opposed to
"non-REM dreams" so this technical usage may not be universally accepted.
-- TC]

In this regard, Kemp's experience with the Japanese soldiers sounds more
like the recall of a nightmare than of a night terror.  Psychiatrists
cannot, however, rely with certainty on recalled content to distinguish
between a nightmare and a night terror.  [Discussion that some night
terrors, clearly occurring in non-REM sleep, have distinct, vivid dream
content.  [Of course, this makes the previous insistence that dreams occur
only in REM sleep even less meaningful -- TC]].

The terrified scream that marks the arousal from a night terror is rare in
nightmares.  People experiencing nightmares or dreaming generally, do not
carry out complex organised movements such as walking.  Such movements
occur only in non-REM sleep.  Highly effective mechanisms prevent our
bodies from enacting our dreams.  These mechanisms operate in REM, but not
in non-REM, sleep [a gross simplification, as I understand it -- TC].  They
are believed to originate, at least partly, in small bilateral clusters of
nerve cells in the pons, an evolutionarily ancient part of the brain; these
pontine nerve cells send impulses that inhibit the nerve cells in the
spinal cord that control movement.

[The rest of the article deals with the extreme rarity of severe bodily
harm dealt during night terror episodes, and the legal ramifications of the
decision.  *New Scientist* ends each article with a box containing a few
sentences about the author.  In this case it reads:]

Morton Schatzman is an American psychiatrist practising psychotherapy
privately in London.  He is interested in hearing, care of *New Scientist*,
reports from readers who have witnessed or performed complex actions in
sleep. 

    Most interesting.  I had wondered from time to time if I did indeed
    suffer from night terrors when under stress, but I had just about
    decided I didn't because I didn't awaken screaming.  But the sensations
    of being crushed or choked sound quite familiar, and the sensations
    I have when awaking from the whatevers are distinctly different
    from those of awaking from ordinary REM dreams.  I wonder if people
    who sleep specialists have diagnosed as having night terrors also
    have felt that they were awake while the episodes were happening?
    
    Marcia

    There is one other cause for the crushing feeling. Under certain
    conditions one can "forget" to breathe. I had this happen to me
    once. Forutnately I was in the hospital at the time, elce I might
    have wond up dead.
    						/s/ Terry
    

RE: .21

This is called "sleep apnea," and is very common.  Whenever you hear a
sleeping person suddenly giving a loud inhaling snort they have just
recovered from an attack.

As I understand it (and once again, I am not an expert) it is not usually
considered dangerous, since the sufferer will normally get uncomfortable
and wake up a little to catch their breath, except when:

	1) When the sufferer is unable to wake up a little in order to catch
	    their breath.  This may occur due to a number of causes,
	    including, but not exclusively, drugs such as strong sedatives
	    that might be used in a hospital.  This is part of what
	    normally causes death in barbiturate overdose (the barbiturate
	    also "encourages" the apnea in the first place).

	2) When the sufferer is in too frail health to afford even very
	    short term cessation of breathing.

	3) In some very young infants.  This seems to be related (though
	    there still seems to be disagreement how) to SIDS (Sudden
	    Infant Death Syndrome, also called Crib Death).

Of course the before-mentioned snorting may be unpleasant for others sharing
the sleeping quarters.  Also it has been proposed that chronic sleep apnea
may, little by little, result in *minor* brain damage.

		    Topher

    The latest issue of vegatarian times has a personal ad from a lady
    looking for a man who "breathes regularly".  Maybe she has a reason.
    
    Dave

    re .23:
    
    There's a recurring ad in _Fate_ magazine for some sort of self-
    improvement course that's headlined, "DEATHLESSNESS IS AS NATURAL
    AS BREATHING."  They're at least partially right.  Stop breathing
    for any lewngth of time ....
    
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    

Sleep Apnea (sp?) causes other problems in that it seems to prevent
the suffer from sleeping well (hard to believe, huh :-). Chronic
sleep loss leads to other problems, as might be expected.

I am not sure what, if anything, currently can be done about sleep
apnea.

DDA

    Medical recommendations I've read have included weight loss and
    surgery.  What surgery, you might ask?  A permanent tracheotomy, 
    basically.  Since many apnea sufferers' upper airways flop shut 
    (the pharyngeal area), the tracheotomy incision at the base of 
    the throat allows free air passage since the trachea is hard 
    (by comparison to the pharynx) and doesn't collapse.  I'm told 
    the opening is plugged during the day and kept covered by your 
    shirt collar.
    
    Another surgical solution I heard of happened to a friend of mine.
    He had some other problem with his nose, but while they were fixing
    that up, the surgeon noticed that his pharyngeal area was unusually
    loose and flaccid, and basically gave him an internal face lift.
    Result:  no more apnea.  And the depression and fatigue he had suffered
    from for years vanished overnight (pun intended).
    
    Marcia

    RE .26.
    
    Marcia is correct, from what I understand.
    
    It is important to realize that sleep apnea is a symptom rather
    than a disease.  Treatment depends on the cause.
    
    One of the most common causes is apparently obesity.  Another is
    the use of sleeping pills.  As Marcia indicated, seemingly minor
    physical "abnormalities" may also be the cause.  Neurological problems,
    alergies, poor sleeping position, etc. might also contribute.
    
    			Topher

The following is being posted anonymously at the request of the author.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  Please excuse me for posting this anonymously - I am an occasional
  contributor to this file but wish to remain hidden w.r.t. this entry.

  I very rarely suffer from nightmares or other night events but one occasion,
  a few years ago, still concerns me. I'd like to hear from anyone who could
  offer any insight into it please.

    I was apparently fast asleep when I started to move in an agitated
  fashion. This disturbed my wife who was unsure whether to try to wake me
  or to let it continue (she didn't know if a rude awakening might cause
  more upset than allowing whatever-it-was to work itself out). Suddenly
  I struck down hard with my right arm and actually hit her left arm. She
  [understandably] whimpered but this apparently triggered my normal reaction
  which was to cuddle her, gently stroking her hair and calming her down.
  After she had stopped making any noise, it appears I went into my usual
  deep sleep, leaving a very confused, somewhat fearful wife with a very
  painful left arm.

    In the morning, she asked if I remembered any dreams or anything from
  the previous night. I remembered a few fragments including one which
  involved fighting to escape a number of pursuers and, when prompted,
  remembered having to calm her down, presumably from one of her bad
  dreams which she occasionally suffered. I was amazed to see the bruise
  on her arm and to hear her recount the events involving it. The mattress
  had absorbed a lot of the blow but even so, she was lucky that the arm
  didn't break - she could barely use the arm for most of that day and the
  bruise lasted for ages.

    Although this hasn't happened since, I still panic when I think that
  if my "pursuer" had been in a different position - behind me rather than
  climbing up after me - then my blow might have landed on her neck. I have
  no doubt that if it had done so, she would have been killed. Just writing
  this makes me go cold. I've often wanted to experiment with some of the
  dream/relaxation related topics but have only dared on the [few] occasions
  that I'm sleeping on my own, away from home. Has anyone any idea whether
  such activity would be more likely to trigger such actions or prevent
  them - I'd love to try some of the experiments but fear for releasing the
  wrong energies or tensions or whatever word you care to use. Thanks for
  any helpful replies.

    This is a little difficult for me - if you read on you'll see why...
    but I figure that I'm not the only person to experience this.
    
    It's always the same: a great weight pinning my body down and me
    struggling to open my eyes, yet terrified at what I may see if I can
    open then. Also, my body has that strange paralysis.  After a while
    though, it changes - I am having sex with someone.  It is very good
    sex, but I always wake up before it's finished.  
    
    This happens frequently, and has done for years, whether or not I am in
    a relationship with a guy or not.
    
    I've only just started reading this file and I tell you something, I am
    really upset and afraid at the thought of having a physicl relationship
    with something not of this world.
    
    Please can someone reply to this so I know I'm not going loopy...
    
    Gianna
    

    Gianna,
    
    The person who knows a lot about this sort of thing, Steve Kallis, is
    not here anymore, although I read he may be given an account, as a
    retiree. If they do (which I really hope happens), he may be able to
    advise you or at least inform you of what may ba occurring. In the
    meantime, maybe you can contact Cindy Painter offline to give you his
    address, and you can write to him.
    
    Good luck,
    
    Marilyn

         
    Good idea Marilyn...Steve would most definitely be the person to
    contact.
    
    Topher actually put his address in here somewhere.  It's a post office
    box in Maynard.  Topher?
    
    Cindy

    I'd suggest reading Steve's earlier replies in this note, and searching
    for other references to the "Night Hag" phenomenon here and in other
    notes.  Start with either:
    
    Notes> search/note=*.* " hag "
    or
    Notes> search/note=*.* "night hag"
    
    (The spaces are very important in the first one; if you leave one or
    both out, you'll get lots of false positives.)
    
    							Ann B.

    re last few
    
    Thanks for your replies guys, it's good to know you're out there.....
    
    Re Steve Kallis address ...yes please, if someone has it.  I've read
    alot of his inputs here. Seems to be a very knowledagble chap.
    
    Gianna
    
    

    See note 16.531.

				Topher

    
    Topher
    
    Thanks for your trouble....
    
    Gianna
    
    

    I do not know for sure the intent of my local resident ghost.
    
    In our house/neighborhood we have a female resident ghost, she is 
    apparently a Lady from Sweden who was to marry a miner and the miner
    was killed in a mining accident.  (Cripple Creek had such an accident
    during its heyday.)
    
    One night I woke with my body bouncing on the bed, and I felt a 
    female presence.  (Water Bed)  I could feel a weight across my groin
    area.  I do not remember if I was in a state of arousal, perhaps I
    was not responding and she was angry.
    
    Dave