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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

101.0. "Bye-Bye Body????" by YOGI::NYLANDER () Mon Mar 31 1986 17:44

    
    Opinions please.....
    
    
    This past weekend I had the interesting experience of having
    a rather substantial tree fall on me.  (The back yard is by far
    the most dangerous outside I've yet to experience :-) ) Anyway,
    the reason I bring this here is to discuss what the non-phsyical
    part of the person does during a potentially life-threatening
    situtation.
    
    There is a brief segment of time missing from my recollection
    of the event.  I remember hearing the tree crack, and then I
    am on the ground rolling under/with the tree thinking all those
    good survival things that brains/instincts are good for.  The question
    is - what happened in between?  To my knowledge I didn't hit
    my head, so I assume I was conscious during that time.
    
    Was the physical shock of hitting soft ground sufficient to wipe
    out a small section of short term memory?  Did the non-physical
    part of the being step out of the body to see if it was going
    to be anihilated or not, and upon seeing the later return as
    soon as possible?  Was the brain/body too busy reacting in
    'survival mode' to bother 'remembering' what happened?
    
    Comments?
    
    Alison
    
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101.1Quantum Jump?PEN::KALLISMon Mar 31 1986 18:0023
    Related, but not the same:
    
    When I was still a student pilot, I was with my instructor waiting
    for another student pilot to finish using the airplane before using
    it ourselves for some cross-country (long-distance) work.  The student
    was  going up for his first solo flight, something I had experienced
    some weeks previously.  The student took off, made a good circuit
    of the airport in the "traffic pattern"; then he landed -- almost
    successfully.  He came down too fast, bounced, and the airplane
    went over on its back in a half-somersault after the nosewheel gave
    way [Bluejay: he porpoised an AA1B].
    
    The odd thing was that one second he was in the airplane, the next
    he was about 20 feet away and running.  None of us who witnessed
    the event saw him get out and start to run.
    
    Could we have missed something in the excitement?  Possibly, but
    several of us saw the event.
    
    Maybe nthere are occasional hitches in time.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
101.2Me tooCFIG1::DENHAMLife is complex; it has real and imaginary partsMon Mar 31 1986 19:4715
    I also had a brief segment of time lost from my memory.  Several
    years ago I was waiting for a bus with a friend.  The bus stop was
    in front of an ice cream parlour and we were eating ice cream during
    our wait.  Suddenly, I was on the other side of the ice cream parlour
    Neither of us had any ice cream, and my friend seemed to be in the 
    middle of a conversation with me.  I was rather confused, responded
    with "huh?", and started to question him about the preceeding events.
    I don't believe anything extrordinary (such as a tree falling on
    me or crash landing an airplane) happened.  It appears that I had
    lost about 10 minutes of memory.  My friend told me that I had been
    giving sensible replies to the conversation that we had been having.
    I still have no answers as to why this occurred.  I have heard of
    similar occurances from others too.
    
    /Kathleen
101.3write-access failurePROSE::WAJENBERGTue Apr 01 1986 10:1511
    I have heard that things in immediate consciousness ("short-term
    memory") do not get recorded in long-term memory unless the topic
    is dwelt upon for at least five seconds and/or you may a conscious
    effort to memorize it.  If things get interupted, they don't get
    recorded.  The falling tree would be a dandy interuption.  Also,
    if you are just sort of drifting along, not concentrating on anything,
    no particular topic may stay in short-term long enough to be recorded
    in long-term.  That MIGHT explain the memory-gap by the ice cream
    parlor.
    
    Earl Wajenberg
101.520 minutesVLNVAX::DDANTONIODDAFri Apr 11 1986 18:4330
From what I know about the short- to long-term memory transistion, most
stuff of "interest" (i.e. associated with a storng emotion) gets moved
to long term memory. Short-term memory is about 20 minutes and is a FIFO
stack. So, if you wake up from a dream, it is only in short-term memory
and will simply fade away unless you reinforce it (by writing it down, for
example). The same is true for head injuries. If short-term gets wiped out
(you go unconcious or something), you will seem to "lose" about 20 minutes.

As to why eating some ice cream would drop about 10 minutes out of short
term memory, I have no idea! But that is what seems to have happened. I
also had some non-continuous stuff when I was hit by a car on my bicycle.
I was riding home from high school and came to a section of road where they
were building a new house up on a hill and the dirt had washed out into the
raod. I remember saying to myself, "You should swerve out gradually or you
might get hit". Well, I didn't swerve out gradually and suddenly I felt a
very strong push from behind. Then I was on my back thinking how blue the
sky was! Then I was sliding off the hood onto the road! Seems a lady in a
car had hit me and had the good sense to slow up gradually so I didn't
fly off her hood. Well, I couldn't really move my legs for a little bit
but was unharmed. The bike (which had gone under the car) was totaled
and the lady kept saying how all she could see was HER son who liked to
bicycle around! The three incidents (swerving, looking at the sky, and
sliding) all seemed to happen one right after another, yet time must
have passed. Guess it got wiped out of short-term memory.

"Dropped 3 flights and cracked my spine.
Honey come quick with the iodine."
			Tennesse Jed by The Grateful Dead

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