Conference hydra::dejavu

According to some occult theories, there are [for want of a better term]
beings composed of some sort of discarnate material (plasm?) that are
invisible except to people and animals sensitive to "psychic" forces.
Cats are notoriously sensitive.  The following is true (although the
names have been changed):

"Al" is someone who is a thorough student of the occult.  He was spending
the evening with his fiancee, "Jane," who has a cat, "Whitey."  On the
night in question, Whitey suddenly jumped off the living-room footrest, and 
stared at something neither Al nor Jane could see.  Whatever it was appeared
to be hovering about a foot off the floor.  Whitey tracked the thing, cai-
tiously, along the living room, keeping close to the footrest.  The thing
apparently floated into the kitchen, and hovered there.  Whitey would _not_
enter the kitchen.  Then Al, who had the necessary tools, did a Banishing
Ritual, using traditional methods.  Only after the ritual had been finished
would Whitey enter the kitchen.  Jane commentyed on the change of Whitey's
attitude after the ritual.

Was anything there?  I believe so.  Was it malevolent?  Perhaps not, but
it certainly bothered Whitey.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

	"What does my cat see?"  This question raises an idea I have pondered
many times.  Does a psychic or in this case a cat really see something in the
sense of a visual sensation?  Some sensitive people claim they can see a
person's aura and read it.  They say different emotional states emit different
colors (i.e. Red is for anger).  I wondered if these people actual sensed
visually these colors and auras or if it was some other sense which mentally
translated itself into a visual sensation.

	Different animals have senses that cover different size ranges of
sensitivity.  Speaking in a scientific vein it seems that if psychics and some
cats actually do see something because their range of perception is greater
or different from the rest of us then I feel we should be able to devise some
equipment to do the perceiving for us.  Does anyone know of any such equipment
and what are some stories that are connected with it?

						Psychically blind but
						still open minded,
						    Jorge'

re .2:

	The poroblem with measuring something is to be certain what that 
"something" really is.  For instance, the often fascinating field of Kirlian
photography is inconclusive: some people believe strongly that it's "the
aura" or "the inner aura"; others feel differently.
	I've also seen some photos that are clearly fraudulent that claim to
show "ectoplasmic emanations"; supposedly taken in infrared light (though the
skin tones are inappropriate for an IR picture).
	Cats have color vision, but the spectral response of their eyes is
skewed towards the red.  They _are_ more psychically senstive than people,
however.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

  In reference to seeing things.  Animal are notoriously psychic particularly
cats.  As for people it can be just a matter of training.  The Third eye which
is the psychic center in every thing (people and animal) has been closed for
milenia (sp) but it can be retrained and opened.  An example would be for seeing
milenia (sp) but it can be retrained and opened.  An example would be for seeingauras.  Everybody has seen auras but may not ha
ve noticed.  To practice seeing
simply stare at someone forehead and use your periphreal (sp) vision to watch
the rest of the person.  So this in a slightly dim room.  You should beginl to
see a off white or maybe even a colored outline or halo if you will around the
subject.  You can do this by staring at your own third eye in a dim bathroom 
mirror.  I have been seeing auras for about 10 years ever since I started doing
the about excersis.  Generally I don't see much color though.  Also next time
you are watching a dynamic speaker watch them close in the same manor discribed
and you will see most likely see an aura.

                                       steve:^)

	    My cat was sitting on the floor staring at the bookshelf
	when a Carlos Castaneda book (_Tales_of_Power_) fell off the
	shelf and landed on her.
			<_Jym_>

Are you sure that wasn't _Tails_of_Power_, the story of the role of cats 
in the building of America's electrical system?

Tom ~/~

    Re: .2
    	Steve, (PEN/INK is off the net right now)
    	 You might want to mention the incident of Leaf Ericksen.
    					/s/ Terry
    

	I have never been there myself, but I have heard stories that the
    sites that were German death camps during WW II are now very quiet
    areas.  People claim that they are now forest or bush areas which look
    fairly dark, and they also claim that there are very few if any animals
    including birds to be found at these sites, or if there are then they
    never make any sounds.
	Has anybody else heard this?


		-- Robert.

    Yep,  I've  heard  it.  I've visited a number (=4) of these camps at 
    various  times.   I've never found them totally silent, but they are 
    strange places.
    
    In  particular I've noticed a strong, almost overpowering, sensation 
    that I find hard to describe.  It is possible of course that this is 
    simply because I know what these places are, and am affected by that 
    kowledge. 
    
    Incidentally  they aren't all in remote areas: Dachau is in a suburb 
    of  Munich,  and isn't that far from the DEC training center (I have 
    visited  Dachau on several occasions whilst in Munich for training - 
    just  take  the  tram from the city center to the end of the line in 
    Dachau - you can walk from there).
    
    /. Ian .\
    

    RE: WW II 'Death Camps'
    
    I've been to Dachau too, it was not, however, a death camp.  For
    some reason I really wanted to go to Auschwitz in Poland.  At the
    age of about 13 -14, I read a book my a Dr. Miklos Nyuschi-Czech
    about his 3 1/2 years in Auschwitz.  However, while touring Europe
    we were forbidden to go near the iron curtain due to my husband's
    security clearance.
    
    While we were camping in Offerbach (near Frankfurt) we met some
    people from Poznan (near Warsaw), Poland.  That was in 1972, while
    on our way to the Olympics in Munich.  They turned visibly pale
    when I asked about Auschwitz and stated that many plants around
    the area were stunted and very slow growing and that birds, rabbits,
    and assorted other wildlife that is normally in abundance in that
    area are totally absent near the old extermination camp and in a
    few areas around there.  In one of those areas near the camp where
    animals noticably circumvented a large area constantly, some time
    back in the 50s they found a very large, fairly shallow (3-5 ft.)
    trench 'grave' with remains of an estimated 500 people.  While I
    didn't have to opportunity to go there (and now I'm not so sure
    that I would want to go), the stories of those that had seen it
    did not seem to be any silly 'ghost' stories.  We still keep in
    touch with the family we met from Poland, but never talk about the
    death camp in letters.  They were obviously scared/awed/revolted
    by the experience of being in that area.  I can't remember the Polish
    word phrase they used, but loosly translated, the Poles call the
    area around Auschwitz "where no bird sings".
    
    Ellen
    

    At least one of the camps was associated with a chemical works for the
    production of liquid fuels from coal, Auschwitz, if memory serves.
    The leftovers from any sort of industrial chemistry have tendency
    to be rough on plants/animals, especially if the plant is running
    under war emergency conditions, and the materials are handled poorly.
    
    The true death camps, involved intentional use of poisons, some of
    which are likely presnt today, at least in traces.
    
    But, if ANYPLACE "deserves" to be haunted, those camps do...
    
    dave pierson

    Perhaps cats see ghost mice.
    
    Serriously though cats do have greeater range of senses than we
    do and also being animals are closer to their instincitve feelings.
    
    Prior to earthquakes and tornados my cats go bonkers. They get
    very nervous and anxious. Not from me - the last earthquakes we
    had (I didn't even know that New England had quakes at the time)
    I knew they were nervous but couldn't figure out why.
    
    My cats sometimes pull the staring act at things that aren't there.
    (Sometimes its a bug I can't see until it moves)Several times
    that it happened I later dreamed strange things to do with my family,
    which several came true. 
    

    Re .12:
    
    >My cats sometimes pull the staring act at things that aren't there.
                                            
    But the the things _are_ there at times.  That's the whole point.
    Please Cleck .1 of this note for such a case.                         
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    re: .1
    
    If neither Al nor Jane could see this 'something', how did they
    know it was hovering?
    
    peter

    Re .14:
    
    By tracking the movements of Whitey, and watching where his eyes
    were focussing.  Jane told me is was very spooky.
    
    Neither Al nor Jane tried to put their hands where the "whatever"
    was, I learned.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    We have one cat named Jane who we nicknamed The Skit.  She is quite
    jumpy and is easily startled, although she is loving and cuddly.
    
    One night my husband, being fed up with a cold/flu he hadn't been
    able to shake completely, asked if I'd see if some of what I'd learned
    in a crystal workshop would help him.  I carefully cleaned six
    double-terms, laid them in the six-pointed star around us and did
    some simple polarity balancing massage on him.  (Note: for those
    who are interested, he felt immediately sleepy, slept well and got
    completely better within a few days.)
    
    What was interesting was that two of our cats, Jane and her brother
    Tarzan, were hanging around.  As soon as Tarzan saw Dave lying on
    the floor he barged right in and tried to settle down on his stomach;
    I had to evict him 2 or 3 times.  Jane also came prowling around
    delicately, but stopped at the perimeter of the crystal layout.
    She walked daintily around it, sniffing carefully at each stone,
    flipped her tail, backed off and sat down.  As soon as I'd completed
    work on my husband and taken up the layout to clean the stones, she 
    came over to be stroked too.  But she wouldn't come within the layout
    while I was working.
    
    Marcia

    While talking to my mom yesterday on the phone, she related a good
    "cat story".
    
    She lives in Los Angeles area (Santa Monica, to be exact).  This
    means that she has definitely felt the shaking and baking that
    was going on there the other week.  She owns two cats, Bits (who
    is anything but--he's humongous) and Cally.  The Monday night before
    the big shakeup she got very little sleep; Bits prowled the apartment,
    wailing dismally.  She couldn't figure out what was the matter
    with him; the wails were even worse than those uttered by toms in
    range of a queen in heat.
    
    And of course the next day, just as she was leaving for work, all
    hell broke loose.
    
    The most powerful aftershock, that occurred the following Sunday,
    was preceded by the same behavior.  That Saturday night, Bits again
    went on the prowl, howling.
    
    As she told me last night, "Well, at least I've got my early warning
    system up; don't know how it works, but I'll know when the next
    one is coming."
    
    Marcia

    I am not an animal lover, and I dislike cats most of all, primarily
    because I always feel very uncomfortable around them.  They sit and
    stare at me, once I had a cat that if I stared back at it would attack
    me.  Many years ago I visited my brother's home for an overnite visit,
    he had two Siamise cats - those cats sat right beside my bed all night,
    I was afraid to move.  A spiritualist once told me that in a previous
    life, I had been a lion, in the days when the lions ate the
    Christians???  I always have the feeling the cat is looking into my
    soul, it is an evil feeling.  I would be interested in comments.
    
    Pat
    

    re: .18 (Pat)
    
         Personally, I have felt that way for a long time.  The girlfriend
    I've had for over two years, however, has six cats and I suppose I
    can admit that I've become more accepting of them.  I always wondered
    why I disliked them, too.  Instead of reasons that I had been 
    a lion or similar feline in another lifetime, I always felt that
    I had been on the *other* end, i.e., a mouse eaten by a cat or
    a Christian eaten by a lion.
         During the past year I have discovered that my spirit animal
    is a Panther, so maybe *that* has something to do with it, as you
    suggest.  When it's only a discomfort as opposed to an outright
    hatred, it makes it much trickier to unravel.
    
    Frederick
    

    
    
    Re: .18  Pat
    
    Though I can understand that these are your feelings, I find them
    personally difficult to relate to.  I am an animal lover (...I'm 
    sure that some of the stranger minds in this conference will try
    to take this statement literally ;-)) and am particularly fond of 
    cats.  One cat who has lived with me for 17 years, Cleo, is
    beginning to falter due to old age.  Over this past week, we have
    discovered that she has been slowly going blind.  This, combined
    with other physical difficulties, are beginning to take their
    toll.  She has been a loving companion all these years and has
    given so much to me that all I want to do is make her last days
    comfortable and secure.  So I've set her up in her own room with
    everything close by so that she doesn't have to move too much.
    When I'm at home, I carry her from place to place - particularly
    to the sunny spots in the house because she loves them so.  
    
    I just find it interesting that there can be such extremes in
    relationships between people and animals.
    
    Carole

    Just a few observations......
    
    1. Guitars were created out of love and hate.  Love for music,
       and hate for cats.
    
    2. Cats have frontal location of the eyes, as do owls and as do
       humans.   You'll note that each has been mythified with mystery
       and uncanny powers.
    
    3. When cats do something you don't approve of they shine it on.
       A dog looks guilty and whimpers apologetically.  Not so the cat.
    
    4. If you carry your kitten around with you _A lot_, it is much
       more likely to be affectionate when grown.  Cats who are anti-
       social tend to have been brought up that way.
    
    5. I'm not an expert.  These are very subjective observations....
    
    PAX FELINUM,
    
    Richard
                   
    

    
    
    I have a book at home (the title of which escapes me-help
    me out on this, will you, Carla?) which suggests that all
    animals (including humans) reincarnate along the branches
    of the same tree.  That is, humans will always be human
    (well, maybe they can be apes-chimps or gorillas-I can't
     remember for sure) and dogs will continue to reincarnate
    as a member of the canine family, etc.  The book mentions
    that if you look at your family dog or cat, you might see
    vestiges of a past life.  I think my dog was once a fox.
    
    I also think that the 'myth' that cats are independent creatures
    is a self-fulfilling prophecy.   People expect their kitten to
    grow up to be aloof and independent, so they treat it in that
    manner, and poof-the adult cat is independent and aloof.  I'm
    basing this notion on the fact that I raised my kitten the same
    way I raised my puppy, and the cat was never independent or
    aloof.  We carried her everywhere, as was mentioned in a previous
    note, and she always loved to be hugged and snuggled.
    
    Deb
    
    

    
    Hi Pat,
    
    	Did you have a cat when you were growing up? I notice a lot
    of the folks we have over our house, who dislike cats, have never
    been owned by one. 
    	I also notice that the cats flock (a flock of cats?) to folks
    who are nervous about them. Or are nervous about anything. I know
    if I am meditating or doing something really emotionally intense...
    like taxes... they again all get up from their various places and
    go see what I am up to. Sort of like they are drawn of can feel
    the energy you put off into the room or house. 
    	I never have met a cat I couldn't get along with....(that I didnt
    submit to.) and they are very affectionate if brought up that way....
    and given lots of cat hugs... and singing to your cat also is
    helpful... and kitty baths are a fun way to get that owner pet
    link really close!(use baby shampoo!) Games are also helpful....
    like "cat rodeo" or "flying ACE" but should be avoided by those
    folks concerned with their karma. 
    
    	If you dont like cats or dont want them around for a brief
    time. you can always wave your hands back and forth and say in a
    loud voice. "OH IT'S A KITTY CAT THAT WANTS SOME AFFECTION!!" then
    charge across the room making as much noice as possible. I call
    it "The Lesser Cat Banishing Ritual". (lesser meaning smaller cats..
    ...dont try it on lions or BIG cats.)
    
    	Some of the best people I have known are cats.
    
    	Craig

    <----- What he said!
    Thanks Craig that was hilarious and sooooo true!
    
    Marilyn

    What last note?
    
    L.

    
    I am presently _owned_ by two cats, both about the same age (almost
    3 years old).  I am an animal lover and find that depending how you
    treat just about any animal, you'll get it back twofold.  I did
    not have cats when I was growing up but did share my life with two
    dogs.  It took some time before I ran into a cat that won me over.
    (She _saved_ my life by jumping in between a friend's barking dog
    and me, sat up on her hind legs and fought off the beastie.  Then
    looked up at me and purred her heart out. She wasn't even my cat) 
    
    When my first cat walked into my life (I was camping and he was
    a stray 6-7 month old kitten), I had no experience on how to raise
    him.  So I just followed my instincts, got him neutered, took him
    to the vet regularly and gave him lots of love.
    
    I guess you could say I treated him more like a dog than a c*a*t.
    Harry was definitely a _cool_ cat... 8^)  He would roll over, play
    dead, fetch, catch, loved to go for car rides (if you didn't get
    out of the car quickly & left the door open, he would jump in, sit
    on the passenger side and meow at you till we went for a ride),
    he would watch t.v. with me and would keep me company whenever I
    was home sick in bed.  He was definitely a real friend.
    
    I agree with the previous responses that stated that cats will tend
    to know when someone doesn't care for them and go out of their way
    to try to make friends.  But I also feel that society perpetuates
    the hatred of cats which is unfortunate because people are missing
    an awful lot of love these creatures have to offer.  These animals
    as all animals feel love, hate, pain, hunger, etc. as we humans
    do.  It makes me sooo angry when I see these bumperstickers, books,
    posters, etc. that say _I like cats...dead ones_  It's really a
    sick mentality.  How often have you heard the horror stories of
    what people/kids do to cats but wouldn't dare think of doing to
    a dog.  Yet, it seems to be acceptable, on a whole, do abuse cats.
    Hopefully, things will start turning around considering cats have
    surpassed dogs as the number 1 household pet.
    
    I think nothing feels so loving as when my _independent, aloof_
    cats search me out, crawl in my lap, and purr & smile (yes, some
    cats do smile) in pure contentment at just being loved.
    
    re: .18
    
    To get back to the original comment about cats looking into one's
    soul, I think maybe they're trying to measure you up.  You can notice
    a dog, horse, bird, humans doing the same thing.  Cats just seem
    to return the stare. (If I'm not mistaken, I think it's an aggressive
    action in body language in the animal kingdom.  Two opponents stare
    each other down and the submissive one is the one who looks away
    first. If not, then I believe the staring is then taken as a challenge
    hence the reason why it may have attacked you.)  Maybe the _evil
    feeling wasn't evil persay but a discomfort at having your stare
    returned especially by an _animal_.  Goats used to unnerve me whenever
    I looked at one but I realized I was being ridiculous. Considering
    goats, cats, snakes have slits for pupils when the light factor is
    bright could this be the reason why we get an evil feeling when
    they look at us? Just a thought. 
    
    I think if we would take TIME to get to know animal or person, on their
    own terms, without thinking about applying any preconceived notions,
    the world would be a much nicer place to live in.  We could meet some
    really _neat_ individuals that we'd normally overlook.
    
    Sorry to have such a long winded reply. I get carried away sometimes.
    Friendship, of ANY kind, take time to build. Some happen quicker
    than others and sometimes things never click between some individuals.
    I just don't think it's fair to condemn a whole race, breed, order,
    etc. just because it didn't work out every single time.
    
    Roslyn, who is happily sharing her life with 2 cats, a dog and a
    horse, for the time being

    Whenever I'm at home and working on the terminal, one of the three
cats jumps up to see what I'm doing.  The "kitten", Sweet-Talk,
loves to walk on the keyboard.   She is very clever though and never
paws a key when I'm in edit mode so you won't be seeing
any of her replys here.

We four have come to an agreement; I feed them what they like and they agree
not to do anything disgusting in hidden places or  somewhere where I'll step 
into it.  As far as there being anything mystical about cats, I'm not sure.
They're very definitely sensitive to emotional/energy states.  I had a very 
distressing phone conversation the other day and they all came out and
looked at me as if to say; "What's you doin' fool!"


Like FR_WARD, I too have a power animal: Sabre Tooth Tiger; extinct 
but not dead.

L.  

    Thanx everyone for your replies.  We did have cats when I was small but
    I never bothered with them.  My two brothers always have had cats and
    dogs, my sister is the true animal lover.  I have had cats and dogs
    when my children were growing up but again, although I took major care
    of them I never got really close to them.  I would never harm them,
    sometimes I had more Vet's bills than pediatrician's bills, I am not
    leary of farm animals, pigs, cows, horses, goats, sheep, rabbits but
    cats just turn me off.  So, what ever it is............?
    
    Pat
    

    Just wading thru these notes, I'm so late due the the slowness of
    response and the large # of replies to read.
    
    re: .18
    
    Pat,
    
    How *big* were these cats?  75 to 100 lbs.?  I know when our cat
    (11 lbs.) gets out of hand I carefully explain to him (it's all
    in the tone-of-voice) that I'm much bigger than him and that I *will*
    win.  Better yet, sit up and roar!
                                       
    Seriously, they can tell you are uneasy, and can "feel" your fear
    or hatred, so trick'em.  Talk to'em.  Sing to'em.  Invest in a box 
    of Bonkers or Meow Mix and a box of "zip-lock" sandwich bags.  Carry 
    a bag of treats with you; they may help you make friends, or at least 
    fill'em up so you won't look so much like prey.  Doggie-woes?
    Milkbone Dog biscuits.  Never met a dog that didn't like'em.  (Or 
    spend a buck for a catnip bag--a small price to pay to distract the 
    little beggar.)
                
    re: .28
                           
    Roslyn, your reply also broke me up!  You followed your instincts
    and had him neutered.  I almost fell out of my chair!  Your lovelife
    (which is *certainly* none of my business, and I herewith apologize
    beforehand for even mentioning it) must be fascinating.  I'll bet
    you keep'em on their toes.  :-)                             
                                                               
    Now, before the IOM-bombs poor in, I realize animal-phobias are
    very real to the victims (I say victims because there's distinct
    benefits in having loving pets, very soothing, in fact).  I know
    there are shelters full of dogs & cats in desperate need of a good
    home (My wife adopted/rescued our cat from the shelter at the 11th 
    hour--a story I should put in the Cat Conference) and homes full
    of people in desperate need of a friend; it is unfortunate so many
    roadblocks stand in the way.
    
    It is true that a kitten shown much affection will usually grow
    up affectionate (there are exceptions)--ours meets me at the door
    yelling to be picked up so he can lick my face off.  Non-exposure
    to a pet during one's formative years can result in a phobia.  (On
    the other hand, there are humans who flat out just don't get along 
    with animals--recall the expression "rubbing you the wrong way"--
    and vice versa.)
                
    So try to understand their point of view.  Siamese, for example
    (remember your Disney) can be very snotty; *you* have a lot of nerve
    disliking *their* royal highnesses--they just don't know how to
    act!  
    
    Watch out for the black ones, though.
    
    						Don  ;-)

    I Have two cats and my boyfriend is terrified of them unless I am
    in the room....and he has a Rottweiler for a pet...he says he can't
    trust them and his is always scared they will have his throut if
    he moves suddenly...I thnk Dogs are supposed to be extra sensitve
    too....has anyone evr read Fluke - James Herbert - Thats a good
    read if you are intrested in the way animals act and think.
    
    Chrissie

    Fluke is more about Reincarnation than about the way animals think.
    It's more like...the way a man would think if he was a dog!
    Yes it's a good book for reincarnation fans.
    
    Bruce

    Hi,
    
    I've been reading through the many subjects in this
    conference and have found it VERY interesting.
    
    What I would like to know is what is a Spirit Animal
    (mentioned in note 42.19) and how to find out what
    my Spirit Animal is?
    
    Many Thanks
    Donna
    

    re: .34 (Donna)
    
          There are some later notes that mention spirit animals
    (and plants and minerals, too) I believe.  
          There are several different ideas about what they are but
    the one that is relevant to me is this: the spirit animal is
    not necessarily the last animal one was prior to entering the human
    kingdom, though it probably is, but is the animal which our current
    spirit *would be* if it were to be an animal once again.  There
    is much that can be learned about oneself by re-connecting or
    connecting with that part within, such as patience, appreciation,
    dealing with the unconscious, etc., etc.
           How do you find out what yours is?  You can meditate and
    discover it.  I don't have time to elaborate on the meditation at
    the moment, but having done it I know it can be done.  You could
    also ask whatever appropriate energy you can to tell you...this
    requires more of a leap of trust, however.  
    
    Frederick
    

    Just Like to say thanks to Fredrick for the reply.
    
    I think I'm gonna have to go back to the notes that
    mention Spirit animals as you kindly mentioned in your
    notes...
    
    
    
    
    Thanks 
    Donna

I suppose this is a long time from this last note to get back to the main topic,
but I could relate a few cat stories (and their visions) as well.

I was given a white kitten several years ago (Yorba Linda).  Well, she was 
playful and friendly, and as long as I had enough food for her, she didn't mind
my going to work daily.  Shortly after I got her, I went out of town for one 
night.  I came back to find she was having seizures every hour or so.  Well, 
while journeying home (with my now husband), not knowing I would come home to 
her seizures, we were assaulted (its a long and convoluted story) psychically, 
and at one point I felt that Yorbi was drawn into the combat (prematurely).
Ever since then, she seems to occasionally not see this realm, but another.  
Usually, her pupils dilate (expand), no matter how bright out it is, and she 
becomes agitated and "frisky", jumping on nothing in the middle of the floor, or
tearing around the house.  She doesn't have seizures any more (she was on valium
until she started to put on some size), just this "lunacy".

Our other cat must be a feline psychic vampire; every time I start something
(casting wards, energizing myself or an item), he tries to stick his nose in it
and suck up all the energy.  Real annoying :-)

Beth

What does a phsychic attack feel like?

I have seen many references in this conference to physchic attacks, defenses,
battles, etc., but as I don't have a frame of reference it is kind of hard to 
follow the discussions.

Do they have physical ramifications, do you toss threats back and forth through
the 'ether', do you now who is doing the attacking, and how do you defend 
yourself?

Sorry for the inquisitiveness, but it is difficult to get a handle on this type
of thing without it!

Steve

Even with someone's description, it may not make sense.

People know they are under attack in various ways - strictly psychically (that 
sense detects something), strictly physically (headaches, other physical pain
that they have learned through experience accompanies such attacks), or a 
combination of both. 

Personally, I notice it both ways - a particular kind of headache I only get 
when under assault, and a "flaring" of the psychic senses.

Defenses are another matter - as some have mentioned through the notefile, 
imagining yourself surrounded in light of some color (I use Blue, others white).
Another person suggested to me that I surround the attacker as though they were
encased in an eggshell (rather than surrounding yourself).  This means, of 
course, that you have "tracked" your attacker.

This brings up the last question.  Sometimes you do know who is attacking,
other times you don't.  For me, this depends on how well I know the attacker
non-psychically.  I have had strangers (who know of me through mutual friends)
assault me, as well as people I directly aggravated.  Each person, to me, has
a psychic personality that you can learn to recognize.  The feel of the 
personality seems to be a part of what is transmitted in an assault, or any 
other type of psychic contact.  If you know what you are doing, you can hide 
or disguise you personality,also.  But in most cases, if the attack lasts long
enough, you usually can trace it back to the cause (whether you know them or
not) because they leave a trail.  This allows you to counteract or counterstrike.
How you perceive the trail is personal - some visualize, others feel tangible
objects.

Hope this helps
Beth

Thanks, Beth, that does help.

As I was reading your reply, I began to wonder why someone would want to do this
to another person, ie. what do they hope to gain.

Also, can bad feelings cause inadvertant attacks, that is if I get angry at 
someone could I launch the equivelant of an attack without being aware of it?

Steve

Why would anyone ever want to harm another being???  That is why they attack -
jealousy, anger, competition.

As to accidental - I would say yes, but that is because I am empathic, so 
emotions of others are more than just their tone of voice and body language - it
is also energies.  Anger is a painful energy, and can be directed.  Maybe looks
can kill ;-)

Beth

    
    Had a most unusual experience at the age of 12. Our family lived at
    the time, in an inner-city suburb. The houses where quite often
    semi-detached and in the case of ours, one of the bedrooms  shared more
    than one common wall with the neighbour's. 

One night while Mum and Dad were visiting friends, us kids took the liberty 
to play outside a bit longer. I decided to go indoors for a drink, and 
settled for a while on the couch. The couch faced the long darkened 
passageway which lead to the front door. My little Fox-terrier pet called 
Cindy , jumped up and settled down beside me. 

Suddenly Cindy started growling, sat straight up ! The hair on her neck 
raised to maximum. Something was dreadfully wrong, as this behaviour was 
most unusual ! (Cindy was not one to bark at strangers or people coming up 
the garden path. Only the milkman and postman were suspect.) She was 
staring at an object in the passageway. I slowly looked to the passageway, 
saw and heard nothing, so out of cowardice, I decided to watch the "thing" 
through Cindy's eyes. 

Well the "thing" was stationary for a few seconds, then to my terror, 
Cindy's focus changed as the "thing" started moving towards us! If it were 
a man of medium height, Cindy would have been focusing on his head. Cindy, 
who is normally very confident if I was around, started shrinking back, 
very scared.

Well, the thing moved off to the side, as if going through the wall into 
the neighbours house. Cindy whined, gave herself a shake and settled down 
again. I slowly stood up, went to the door and ran out of the house.

A few weeks later, the same thing happened. This time, the whole family was 
sitting in the lounge talking. My sister was sitting in the doorway of our 
bedroom, looking out at us. Suddenly, Cindy jumped up, (more confident this 
time.. safety in numbers), hair on end, stalked toward the bedroom and was 
watching something moving behind my sister. The whole family froze as it 
was quite obvious to us that Cindy was watching something moving in the 
room. It lasted about 20 seconds, then the "thing" moved toward the 
neighbours' bedroom and was gone. Cindy settled down again as if nothing 
had happened.

My mum, who is one of those intuitive people said; "It's Mr. Alfredo... He 
has not accepted his death and is very worried about his family, left on 
their own to fend for themselves in a strange country."

Mr. Alfredo was the breadwinner of the immigrant Portuguese family next 
door who tragically died in a road accident while returning from a fishing 
trip a few weeks prior. They had four sons and the mother had just given 
birth to twins (girl and boy) after the death of the father.

Some weeks later, our whole family were awakened by loud wailing next door. 
What transpired was that the second eldest son had woken up and saw an 
apparition looking in on the kids. He shouted; " Mum! there's a witch in 
the house!" The apparition apparently took flight , raced over the beds and 
out somewhere near the window. The boy then described the "witch" to his 
mum. It had bandages around the head and the description fitted the 
appearance of the father which the mother saw when she identified the 
body. At this point the mother started wailing as is customary when a 
family member dies.
  
There were no further incidents after this. 

-Brian
    

    Smudge your house.  Put crystals in each room.  Animals protect against
    spirits... you might consider giving your dog an extra treat tonight.
    :-)
    
    Mary

Re -1 (Mary)

>    Smudge your house.  (...)
     ^^^^^^

Eh? What value does this have for protection?

Arie

    It keeps the misplaced, leftover spirit fragments out. 

    Last night we had a similar experience with two of our three cats.
    Suddenly Shadow and Tiger were puffed up and terrified of something
    that we couldn't see.  Kiana just watched them and ignored the whole
    thing.  If she saw what they did, it didn't bother her.
    
    Shadow and Tiger chased the "thing" across the room, then lost it.  For
    a while they jumped at every movement we made, but they were still 
    searching for whatever they'd seen.  About half an hour after the
    initial siting, they found it again.  They were on either side of the
    "spot", watching something that I couldn't see at all.  Suddenly Tiger
    jumped straight up and Shadow jumped backwards, but they didn't try to
    go after whatever it was.  Just watched it.  "It" was small, but big 
    enough to scare them.  Maybe a mouse spirit?  
    
    This morning Shadow, who spends the night in the livingroom, seemed
    to be back to normal, although he was still examining shadows.  Tiger,
    who spends the night in the bathroom with Kiana, was still puffy and
    searching frantically for the thing.  Kiana still ignored it all.
    
    I didn't feel anything, even though whatever it was was less than two
    feet from me, except for uneasiness because of their behavior, and 
    because of all the things I've read in this notesfile!
    
    Angel said maybe "it" had a different interpretation of a sign on the
    wall-- "Free Your Spirit!"
    
    Ellen