Conference hydra::dejavu

    I got started with pyramids about ten years ago after watching an 
interview of Patrick Flanigan a noted expert on the subject.  I have
built mostly small ones generally no more than 12" high.  They have been
with wall, walls with holes and then just the frames only.  

  Most of my experiments have been with dehydrating or mummifing meats
vegitables. Also I have kept razorblades sharp for over a month of daily
shaves.   I've grown plants inside and out side of pyramids and made cheap
wines taste better.  I've meditated in them and slept in them and after
all this I have determined that there is an energy consentrated inside 
them and it can be tapped and used. There are a multitude of books out
on the subject in almost any bookstore anywhere.  

                                     steve


"The meak shall inherit the earth. The rest...  The Universe"

I've used razorblades for more than a month and gotten good shaves, and 
I don't keep them in pyramids.

I've grown many plants without the use of pyramids.

If you believe wine will taste good, it will, whether it's cheap or not.

As for the other claims, who can say?  I'm not saying there is NOTHING 
to the claims made for "pyramid power", just that there are other ways 
that much of what is claimed may be explained.

If it makes sense to you, go for it.

Tom

RE: .2

Point made.  But I rarly get more than two weeks of shave from any one razor
blad.  The plants that grew in the pyramid sprouted faster and were generaly
in better health.  The wine was tested on other people without there knowing 
that it was place in a pyramid they only knew that they were comparing two
glasses of wine.  Most of this testing was done when I lived in San Deigo
where the humidity is high.  The meats that were mummafied was hambuger and
in a humid atmosphere somthing like that would rot very fast and they did not
they dried out completely every time.  When I sit and meditate in a pyramid
I definatly feel an energy or just a difference than when I meditate outside
the pyramid.

The term Pyramid means Fire(Pyr) in the middle (mid).  Seems the ancients
would not have named them this if there wasn't something to it.

You judge for yourself though.

                                  steve:^)

		I have had some good experiences with pyramid power.  I have
	tried the meat, plant, and razor sharpening experiments for fun and
	had success.  But the most fun I had was in a job I once had.

		I was a medtech for 7 years prior to discovering computers
	and I used pyramid power there.  I constructed a plexiglass pyramid
	that I placed it next to my blood drawing table.  When I was about to
	draw blood I would ask the patient to read the pyramid first.  It had
	a sign on it "The Painless Pyramid" and a list of about 10 instructions.
	The way it worked it occupied the person just long enough for me to take
	their blood while they read it. 

		It wasn't exactly mystic but it was cute.

		On a more serious note the Pyramid  is somewhat similar to
an "Orgone Accumulator" which was invented by a fella named Reich.  The only
explanation of the pyramid's power that I have heard is through Reich's work.
Supposedly the shape causes a build up of what are called soft particles on
the outer walls which lock inside an accumulation of these particles radiated
upward from the base caused by gravity.  This places the most effective 
placement within the pyramid shape to be about 2/3 up from the base.  This
point is the focal point of concentrated soft particles.  This is also about
the position of the tombs in the Egyptian pyramids.

						For what it's worth
							Jorge'

I am interested in building a small pyramid to experiment with.  What are
the specs that it should be built to?  Would wood be an acceptable material?
Also, does anyone know of any specific titles of books on pyramids?  I haven't
had any luck in finding any in local book stores.

		Dave

re .4:

	The "soft particle" explanation of pyramids presumes the validity
of "soft particles" as entities (see mu comments on _Awesome Life Force_ in
the "mechanisms" note).  In general, there "is" no "focal point" in a prramid,
at least in the quasi-optical sense implied by the language (chack with any
optical engineer on ray-tracing within a planar solid).
	One of the most interesting mystic "pyramid power" figures can be
seen on the Great Seal of the United States.  Check any dollar bill's green
side.  
	It might be better to think of a pyramid as a psychic "corner reflwect-
or" that retroreflects energies to the generator.  The exact mechanism is left
as an exercise to the srtudent.  :-)

Steve Kallis, Jr.

RE: 4

   The chambers in the Pyramids of Egypt are not tombs.  They have never been
tombs either.  The Great Pyramid was used as an initiation chamber in anceint
times.  According to some sources (Edgar Cayce for one) Christ began his mini-
stry just after he went through his final purification rights in the Great
Pyramid.  Just as a note there is no Pyramid anywhere in the world that was
used as a burial place.  All of the Pharohs were buried in the Valley of Kings
or else where.

RE: 5  

   Are you looking under metaphysics when you look for books on pyramids.
All Major bookstores carry some.  Checkout B Dalton or Waldenbooks they
are sure to have them.  Also check in the yellow pages under metaphysical
book stores.

                                       steve:^)

Re .5, .7:

There are "occult shops," many of which sell a lot of junque (fancy junk),
but most of all which have reasonasbly extensive bookshelves.  Some of
these have pyramid books, and a few even have pyramid kits.  One of the
better ones in the area with both books and kits is the House of Zodiac in 
Shoppers' World, Framingham.  Of course, Salem (Mass) bookstores are loaded
with such things.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

In principal, it would suffice to build it of soda straws, since it is 
the shape, not the materials, that allegedly cause the effects.

You can easily obtain soda straws at your site's cafeteria, or at almost 
any fast-food restaurant (e.g., Burger Slime or McDarnolds).  If you do 
it with soda straws, you will need a total of 8 (if you wish to use a 
square base).  If you want to construct a tesseract (triangular base) 
you'll only need 6 straws.  An advantage of the soda-straw pyramid over 
one with solid sides is that you can easily hang something to be treated 
inside the pyramid by suspending it from the apex by way of a piece of 
string.  You could also use, e.g., a Lego set, but soda straws are much 
less expensive.  You can join the corners with paper clips and adhesive 
tape, for example.

Of course, if you want a pyramid big enough to get yourself inside it, 
you will need something more robust than soda straws.

Tom

re .9:

> ... If you want to construct a tesseract .....

Small, prim, scholarly note of no importance:

A tesseract is a four-dimensional extension of a cube, just as a cube is a
three-dimensional extension of a square (some call a tesseract a "hypercube").
What I believe you mean is a tetrahedron.

The only thing about pyramid building is that the theory suggests that shape
and form are critical, therefore not every pryamid would do; just one witrh
the correct proportions.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

	From my old Pyramid Power days I recall that the Cheops pyramid had
a 51 degree angle from the base to the peek.  This shape and the proper compass
alignment is all that is needed, as far as I recall.

								Jorge'

The Pyramid of Khufu actually was built using the Khemite (Ancient Egyp-
tian) method of numbers; viz, through continued fractions.  Their base
measure was the "palm," just as horses are still measured by the "hand."
The ratio for pyramid slope for that pyramid was 5 1/2 palms horizontal to 
7 palms vertical, which, if my memory isn't too far off, should be 51 o 50 '
34' or thereabouts.

A problem with using pyramids as an model, however, is that the earliest
ancestors of the pyramids, the mastabas, were step-tombs that approached
pyramids as the steps became smaller and more numerous.

One of the early attempts at a true pyramid used too high a slope, and as a 
result, the base stones could not take the stress.  The builders "solved" the
problem by radically adjusting the slope to something much shallower.  The
pyramid is visible today as the so-called "bent pyramid" -- though it really
looks more squashed than bent.

Steve Kallis, Jr.

Re: .10 - Steve, you're 100% right, I _meant_ tetrahedron and somehow 
suffered major brain fade and said tesseract.  Of course, you could use 
the same materials to build a 3-dimensional model of a tesseract.

Tom

	    I'll get the exact measurements to you.  There's an aesthet-
	ically pleasing irrational number known as phi that's involved.

	    I've been able to detect pyramids hiding under a surface by
	using a pendulum.  The pendulum starts spinning when you put it
	over top of one!  Weird and fun.
	    Tom, there's no reason to be skeptical.  Microscopic
	analysis shows that razor blades actually do sharpen after being
	under a pyramid.  The blades are made of a malleable metal that
	apparently goes back to a pattern (i.e., a sharp edge) after
	being inside a pyramid.
			<_Jym_>

    
    References, please.  New Zealand Consumer Magazine did a test on
    pyramids and razor blades and showed NO detectable affect, Jym,
    yet alone one that a microscopic examination would show up.
    
    The other question is, if a tiny one made of straws works so well,
    how come something the size of an Egyptian pyramid doesn't glow
    in the dark?
    
    /Bevin

  Ok, I don't know if anyone [else] reads notes after 4� years or so but ...

  I became interested in pyramids many years ago when my brother bought
  Supernature by Lyall Watson (commented on in another early note).
  After reading it myself (on his recommendation) we decided to try a few
  experiments ourselves. I don't know if anyone out there actually cares
  but if not, sorry for wasting your time, please <NEXT UNSEEN>.
  (Personally, I'd recommend you to try it yourself anyway, especially the
  more sceptical amongst you ... it taught me a lot about the need for an
  "open mind").

  Construction :

  For those who are interested I built the pyramids as suggested in
  Supernature :

  o Cut four pieces of heavy card (etc.) into isosceles triangles with the
    proportion base to sides of 15.7 to 14.94. [ I used units of centimetres
    for convenience but the ratio allows you to scale it as desired ].
  o Tape these together so that the pyramid stands exactly 10.0 of the same
    units high.
  o Orient it precisely so that the base lines face magnetic north-south and
    east-west.
  o Make a stand 3.33 units high and place it directly under the apex of the
    pyramid to hold your objects.

  If using razors, the sharp edges of the blade should face east-west. Keep
  the whole thing away from electrical devices.

  Re : Razor blades :

  Lyall Watson (Supernature) : "My record so far with Wilkinson Sword blades
  is four months of continuous daily use". We demonstrated test there was
  a noticeable difference between two ostensibly identical razor blades,
  one of which was stored in a pyramid, the other in a cardboard box.
  The test was "blind" in as much that my brother was the one who shaved
  without knowing which blade was which - just reporting which appeared to
  be the sharper one (ie., gave the cleaner shave) - whilst I was the one
  who stored & provided the blades without knowing the order he was to use
  them. We were both careful that the blades were not exchanged and that there
  were no identifying marks that may consciously or unconsciously influence
  the results.

  The test started using two identical razor blades (from the same new packet).
  At first there was no significant difference between blades but after about
  a week, my brother started to report a difference between the two. The
  correlation between the blade named as "sharper" and the one stored in the
  pyramid would be expected to be 50% if it was pure chance but although there
  were a few erroneous reports during the second week, at the end of the third
  week the sharp blade was consistently identified as the pyramid blade. My
  brother gave up the real test during the fifth week as he was fed up with the
  bad blade ! He then continued to use the pyramid blade as a normal method of
  storing his razor and could get over two months use from a single blade. (Out
  of interest, we put the confirmed dud blade into another pyramid and after a
  fortnight, it was apparently sharp enough to use again (but this could just
  be written off as "getting the answer you're looking for").
  OK, so it wasn't a strict scientific analysis but you should have seen his
  face when I showed the results at the end of the fourth week !!

  Re. Dehydration/mummification :

  Again Watson "I have discovered that the speed of dehydration of organic
  materials depends very much on the substance involved and on the weather
  condition. This much one would expect but I tried keeping the same
  objects - eggs, steak, dead mice (!!) - in both a pyramid and in an ordinary
  shoe box, and the ones in the pyramid preserved quite well while those in
  the box soon began to smell and had to be thrown out".

  We duplicated this with fruit (tangarines) and meat (raw chicken) but were
  given a flat ban on attempting to leave two dead mice around the house until
  one of them rotted ... :-) As a "control" we used a shoe-box positioned next
  to the pyramid (hence same temperature, humidity, etc.). I tried a closed
  shoebox at first but later used an open one inverted over the material to
  try and create the same exposure to the atmosphere. In each case the
  experiment terminated when the shoebox material was rotten and started to
  get viewed as a minor health hazard [ ie., if the smell didn't get you, mum
  would ... ] but in each case (three times with tangerines, twice with meat)
  the pyramid material would be dried up but showing no signs or putrifaction.

  I can't honestly remember the time periods involved in the above experiments
  (it was 13/14 years ago) but we were satisfied that there *was* some
  unexplained effect (or even several effects ?) operating, first to the 
  benefit of blade edges and second to the dehydration of animal/vegetable
  tissue. Maybe it's time to pick up the trail again ?

  Frank

>  OK, so it wasn't a strict scientific analysis but you should have seen his
>  face when I showed the results at the end of the fourth week !!

Was the blade that bad by then?

Arie

RE: .16 (Frank)

    Meant to reply before but I got distracted.

>  OK, so it wasn't a strict scientific analysis

    No, it wasn't, but it and the biological preservation test sound like
    they were excellent jobs of what is called  "pilot experiments", i.e.,
    experiments done to see if more rigorous experiments are worth
    pursuing.  Very good work, and thank you for reporting it, to us.

					Topher

 re: 38.16 

>  o Orient it precisely so that the base lines face magnetic north-south and
						     ^^^^^^^^
>    east-west.

	It's interesting to note that much of the pyramid literature
	from the '70s (written by people who claimed to get equally
	startling results) stated very definitely that the face of 
	the pyramid had to be oriented toward TRUE NORTH (rather than
	magnetic north) in order for things to work.  Depending on 
	where you are, there could be a considerable difference between
	them.

	If memory serves, the Great Pyramid is oriented to true north
	rather than compass north.

	A puzzle...

	Art

    re  .20
    
    
    Not necessarliy a puzzle.... Magnetic north is constantly shifting.
    Perhaps when the pyramids were built true north and magnetic north
    happened to be lined up. MOre likely they were just tombs.
    
    john

 RE: 38.21 
                     -< Give that razor a decent burial. >-

    
>    Not necessarliy a puzzle.... Magnetic north is constantly shifting.
>    Perhaps when the pyramids were built true north and magnetic north
>    happened to be lined up. MOre likely they were just tombs.
    
>    john

	No, no, no. You don't get it.  Back in 1972-74, when the
	pyramid literature started to hit the bookstores, several
	of the authors said very distinctly that in order to see
	any effect at all, the pyramid had to be oriented toward
	true north (which in most places is around 10-15 degrees
	away from magnetic north); these same sources also had
	anecdotal accounts (much like the one in an earlier reply)
	that showed what "pyramid power" could do for you (sharp
	rasors, non-rotting bananas, etc).   So the question is,
	how is it that our inquisitive noter is getting (in the
	same general time frame) equivalent results from a pyramid
	that is oriented toward magnetic north ?   That's the
	inconsistency...

	~art

  
  Re .22 (Art)
  
  I've only seen a little of the available "pyramid literature" [ ie., books
  written purely on pyramids rather than including them as a sub-topic ] but
  most struck me as rip-offs, generally content-free and definitely oriented
  towards the sensationalist fad rather than any real investigation. Only
  one that I saw allowed any leeway with the orientation - it said that the
  effect was maximised on magnetic polar axes but the effect was still 
  present, though weaker, on other directions. Maybe it was wrong and the
  real effect was stronger on true north orientations but weaker on the
  others ? Maybe the author was confused and couldn't account for good
  results from other orientations because he hadn't tried to tie in any
  correction for true North ?
  
  I used the suggestions in Lyall Watson's Supernature and so oriented on
  magnetic North. I didn't even *think* of trying any other orientation ... 
  Maybe that suggests an inconsistency to you, to me it just says that there
  was yet another thing I should have tried ... hindsight is wonderful :-)
  It would be interesting to compare the results (eg., of dessication)
  across a number of pyramids in the same environment but with different
  orientations to see if there was a difference and if so, to what degree ?
  
  Another item on the to-do list would be to try different base plane
  angles ... if there is a magnetic tie-in to the effect, perhaps the
  pyramid should be tilted to compensate for the vertical component of
  the earth's magnetic field ? (Even if there isn't, such an experiment
  should at least help to try and reduce the number of variables).
  
  Frank

    magnetic ramblings, somewhat after the fact...
    
    The magnetic pole "wanders", but not much, not on a time scale of
    years.  The magnetic pole is (roughly) in NW Canada, so for points
    due south of that (say Utah, California) North Magnetic and North
    "true" are the same.  (also, the other way around the globe, points
    on a line in the USSR...).  If the experimental site is located east
    or west of this line, the skew between magnetic north and true north
    increases, maxing out, oh somewhere around a north south circle
    thru Egypt (oddly enough).
    
    So far, i have rambled about the north magnetic pole.   _local_
    compass indication will shift due to local deviation, in varying
    amounts.  This local deviation (barring human effects: the neighbors
    cyclotron, etc...8)>>) seems to be due to local geology.  Things
    get _real_ peculiar around iron-ore bodies, etc...
    
    thanks
    dwp

Also, the magnetic pole is 'moved' by cosmic ray storms
(a big one of which we had recently). So much so in fact
that sailors can be seriously adrift ;-) if they are not
aware of the problem.

John D.

    Ive visited Ixtapa, Mexico . Cancun,Mexico
    and Ive seen the ancient Mayan Ruins and was fasinated by the brillance
    behind them.I would like to know if the Mayan temples have the same
    energy.And of course any other info anyone would like to share.
    
    S.T.

    S.T.,
    
    You might enjoy the book 'Secrets of Mayan Science/Relgion" written by
    Hunbatz Men.  Hunbatz is a Mayan daykeeper; an authority on the history,
    chronology, and calendars of Mayan civilization.  Coicidentally, he
    will be giving an evening lecture and one day workshop at Green
    Pastures in Epping, NH. on Friday, Aug 14 and Sat. Aug 15th.  I've
    longed hope to meet this fasinating man and am psyched that he will
    actually be presenting locally.
    
    Ro
    

    RO
    Thank you for information.Unfortunaly I reside in Colorado, so I will
    more than likely miss the lecture.Let me know, if you go, how it went.
    I would be interested in learning more. How old is the book you
    mentioned, can i buy it at the local book store?
    Catchy name,"Mayan Connection"
    
    S.T.

    S.T.,
    
    The book is copyrighted 1990 and published by Bear & Company, PO 2860,
    Sante Fe, NM. 87504-2860.    ISBN # 0-939680-63-7  Should be available
    in any new age type bookstore or ordered through any large bookstore.
    
    From the back cover:
    
    Secrets of Mayan Science/Religion reveals the sacred teachings that were
    hidden by the Mayan priesthood shortly after the Spanish Conquistadors
    landed in Mexico in 1519.  In this spiritual text, Hunbatz Men explores
    the metaphysics of ancient Mayan glyphs and the esoteric significance of
    the letters G, T, and O.  He concludes with an explanation of the
    secret path to illumined consciousness of the feathered serpent,
    Quetzalcoatl.
    
    In Steve McFadden's book Profiles in Wisdom (also published by Bear &
    Co.), he has a chapter on Hunbatz Men.  Here is an excerpt:
    
    "...Hunbatz teaches that we began entering the New Itza Age, analogous
    to the Age of Aquarius, around August 1987, at an event many people
    called Hamonic Convergence.  'It is time to work into the deepest part
    of our beings to regain information we have impressed there -- in the
    spiral of our DNA.  Only in this way,' Hunbatz says, 'will millenial
    information rise into our conscious awareness, reminding us of an
    ancient time when knowledge was unified and there was no separation
    between science and religion.'"
    
    Will let you know how the lecture goes...
    
    Ro
    
    
    
    
    

    I'm looking forward to that lecture too Ro. :-)
    
    Kb

    
    Ro, Kb,
    
    Anybody have more details on the lecture?  Cost, times, etc.?  
    I'm interested too!
    
    Cindy

    No, I don't Cindy, but I think Ro is on the mailing list for
    the information.
    
    Kb

    
    I want to go too!  Do we have to pre-register?
    
    Carole

    Hi Cindy, Kb, and Carole,
    
    Yes, I just received more info in the mail.  Looks like it would be
    best to preregister.  I'll give each of you a copy of the brochure next
    time I see you!  ;')
    
    Here is what it says on the registration form:
    
    o  Friday night talk, $15
    o  Saturday workshop and lunch, $75
    o  Friday AND Saturday, $80
    o  Accommondation for Friday night
       o $35/single
       o $60/double
    o  Secrets of Mayan Science/Relgion by Hunbatz Men 153 pp $10
       o I will pick it up.
       o Send by 1st class mail (plus $2.25)
       o Send by 4th class mail (plus $1.20)
    o  Unedited video of Frday, $15
    o  Edited video of Saturday (2 hrs), $25
    
    Telephone inquiries (603) 679-8149 during regualr business hours
    Green Pastures Estate, 38 Ladd's Lane, Epping, NH 03042
    
    I plan on going to both the lecture and workshop, but most likely can't
    afford to stay over.  I think it is less than a 45 minute ride to
    Epping from Nashua.  Carole and Kb you are most welcome to stay over my
    house if you plan on attending both also.
    
    (Usual disclaimers here, I receive no profit etc. from posting this
    information)
    
    Ro
    

    Yes, I'm planning to attend both Friday and Saturday.  
    Thanks very much Roey!
    
    Kb

    Do I send a check to the address stated in 34.
    I looked at a majority of the book stores here in the springs, and they
    dont have much of a new age section. I work monday thru thursday so I
    wont here from anyone till monday.If thats not the address, and, If
    anyone gets an extra copy I would be more then happy to send a check
    for that copy, any help would be greatly appreciated. It sounds like
    thats the address but.... 
    Does the address also apply for the tapes,etc.
    
    also can i send for the hotel room? just kidding
    
    S.T. 
    

    S.T.
    
    Yes, that's the address you would use.  There phone number is
    603/679-8149 and they also have a FAX # 603/679-5138.
    
    They are a non-profit organization.  I attended an earth day workshop/
    celebration there a couple of years ago and was quite impressed.
    
    Ro
    

    Yes thank you,I willcheck it out this weekend.Do you work here in the
    springs?