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| 29.1 | | PEN::KALLIS | | Fri Oct 25 1985 13:03 | 21 |
| Many people aren't aware that there are two forms of astrology: natural
and judicial.
"Judicial" astrology is that form developed by the Babylonians, with its
echoes in the daily papers. It's especially interesting in that it has
little relationship to reality in that the precession of the equinoxes is
pushing the First Point of Aires arpund the Zodiac, towards Aquaruis, as
this is being written, so there should be a phase-shift on behavioral
patterns from the "traditional."
"Natural" astrology doesn't try to involve itself with predictions; just
conditions. Planetary planting (as some farmers use) is an outgrowth
of that.
"Neoastrology," is making some inroads. It's based on the hypothesis of
tidal influences. There is some experimental evidence that earth organ-
isma (including plants) are sensitive to tides.
There's a slight correlation between matural astrology and neoastrology.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 29.2 | | SNICKR::ARDINI | | Fri Oct 25 1985 13:10 | 15 |
| I have had similar expieriences with astrology. I had my chart done by
a coworker years ago and to my surprize it was detailed and correct about my
past and present. It made me very curious as to the how's and why's of it all.
There is a program I found called "Astrol.exe" which will calculate all the
pertenant information an astrologer needs to interpert your chart. All you
need are the time, day, and year of your birth along with the location in
latitude and longitude. From there it calculates the position of all the
planets and translates them to the houses of influence, ect. The only downfall
of the program is that it will not interpert the results. It only reports the
numbers. The program suggests you refer to a particular astrology book to
figure out what it all means. I got the book but am still lost as how to
figure out what it all means. If there is anyone out there who can do these
interpertations I'd like to find out more about it.
Jorge'
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| 29.3 | | GLORY::SHIVES | | Fri Oct 25 1985 18:03 | 18 |
| re .-1
If the program is still on-line (possibly with sources/detailed explanation
of the basis for it, I would be interested in a copy.
The calculations although complex are relatively straightforward. The
interpretations are what astrologers get the bucks for. A number of astrologers
use computers to do the calculations in fact.
re .-2
I realized that there are many different types of astrology. As well as
Arabic parts. I read about a new astrology also based upon a different number
of houses and different signs. It was supposed to be updated for the "modern
times".
Which are more "reliable" or logicly sound in your opinion? Also, are there
any referance books which you prefer?
Mark
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| 29.4 | | HAMSTR::TORTORINO | | Fri Oct 25 1985 22:34 | 12 |
| Having studied personality theory, I can't help but believe that astrology
has as much to offer, and is a heck of a lot more fun! :^}
I've never had my chart done, so I don't know how close an astrologer could
come to describing the 'real' me, but I've always enjoyed reading Linda Goodman
(_Sun_Signs_, _Love_Signs_). Of the two, the first is better (I think) -
very well-written!
A Libran
Sandy
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| 29.5 | | SNICKR::ARDINI | | Sun Oct 27 1985 08:39 | 221 |
| This is an example of the output of the "Astrol.exe" program.
There really aren't any help files for it. It only makes reference to an
astrology text book. If you like I'll dig up the name for you.
Jorge'
****warning, this is kind of long****
1
---DATE--- -TIME -ZONE- -LAT- -LONG- COMMENTS--------
1953/ 7/17 12: 0 8: 0 42N15 71W 0 ORETTA
GMT=20: 0: 0 GST=15:41:21 LMT=15:16: 0 LST=10:57:21
DAY OF THE WEEK (FROM LMT) IS FRIDAY (RULED BY VENUS)
JD=2434576.333333 BESSELIAN YEAR = 1953.542607546
GEOCENTRIC PLANET POSITIONS (LONGITUDE,LATITUDE,DECLINATION)
SUN MERC VENUS MARS JUPIT SATUR URAN NEPT PLUTO MOON NODE P.F.
24C55 6L55 11G 1 22C14 15G43 21= 1 19C10 21=10 22L 4 9=51 3Q36 12Q37
RETR DIR DIR DIR DIR DIR DIR DIR
0N 0 4S14 2S42 1N 0 0S36 2N29 0N25 1N41 9N19 4S51
21N 9 14N27 19N26 22N36 22N 5 5S54 22N30 6S42 22N57 8S22
HOUSE CUSPS IN SYSTEMS OF
CAMPANUS,MORINUS,PLACIDUS,REGIOMONTANUS,PORPHYRY,EQUAL,ZARIEL,ALCIBITIUS
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
27S41 3K54 12Q26 13P 0 7A 3 0T 6 27T41 3C54 12L26 13V 0 7= 3 0S 6
13/ 0 15K34 16Q48 15P35 13A12 11T53 13G 0 15C34 16L48 15V35 13=12 11S53
27S41 28/58 5Q58 13P 0 13A47 7T53 27T41 28G58 5L58 13V 0 13=47 7S53
27S41 24/56 2Q46 13P 0 13A 2 5T48 27T41 24G56 2L46 13V 0 13= 2 5S48
27S41 2K48 7Q54 13P 0 7A54 2T48 27T41 2C48 7L54 13V 0 7=54 2S48
27S41 27/41 27K41 27Q41 27P41 27A41 27T41 27G41 27C41 27L41 27V41 27=41
13/ 0 13K 0 13Q 0 13P 0 13A 0 13T 0 13G 0 13C 0 13L 0 13V 0 13= 0 13S 0
27S41 23/53 26K 4 13P 0 8A45 3T58 27T41 23G53 26C 4 13V 0 8=45 3S58
RISING I.C. DESC. M.C.
27S41 13P 0 27T41 13V 0
RULING PLANET IS MOON
SIGNIFICATOR (PLANET RULING THE RISING SIGN) IS PLUTO
RISING PLANETS : NONE
DISTRIBUTION OF ELEMENTS IS AS FOLLOWS:
.-----CARDINAL------.-------FIXED-------.------MUTABLE------.
FIRE . . ME PL . .
EARTH . . . MC .
AIR . SA NE MO . MN PF . VE JU .
WATER . SU MA UR . AS . .
.-------------------.-------------------.-------------------.
ALL PLANETARY ANGLES ARE TABULATED BELOW
SUN MER VEN MAR JUP SAT URA NEP PLU MOO NOD PF. ASC MC.
SUN 0 12 44 3 39 86 6 86 27 75 171 162 123 48
MER 12 0 56 15 51 74 18 74 15 63 177 174 111 36
VEN 44 56 0 41 5 130 38 130 71 119 127 118 167 92
MAR 3 15 41 0 37 89 3 89 30 78 169 160 125 51
JUP 39 51 5 37 0 125 33 125 66 114 132 123 162 87
SAT 86 74 130 89 125 0 92 0 59 11 103 112 37 38
URA 6 18 38 3 33 92 0 92 33 81 166 157 129 54
NEP 86 74 130 89 125 0 92 0 59 11 102 111 37 38
PLU 27 15 71 30 66 59 33 59 0 48 162 171 96 21
MOO 75 63 119 78 114 11 81 11 48 0 114 123 48 27
NOD 171 177 127 169 132 103 166 102 162 114 0 9 66 141
PF. 162 174 118 160 123 112 157 111 171 123 9 0 75 150
ASC 123 111 167 125 162 37 129 37 96 48 66 75 0 75
MC. 48 36 92 51 87 38 54 38 21 27 141 150 75 0
IMPORTANT ASPECTS ARE AS FOLLOWS ("EXACT" ORBS PERTAIN TO THE
TRUE ANGLE BETWEEN OBJECTS #1 AND #2)
OBJECT#1 OBJECT#2 ASPECT (DEG) ORB(EXACT) APPLYING/WANING
SUN VENUS SEMISQ. ( 45) 1.10( 1.03) W
SUN MARS CONJUNCT( 0) 2.68( 2.86) W
SUN SATURN SQUARE ( 90) 3.90( 3.89) W
SUN NEPTUNE SQUARE ( 90) 3.75( 3.75) W
SUN PLUTO SEMISEX.( 30) 2.85( 1.41) W
SUN MOON QUINTILE( 72) 2.93( 2.99) W
SUN ASCEND. TRINE (120) 2.76( 2.76) W
SUN M.C. SEMISQ. ( 45) 3.09( 3.09) W
MERCURY VENUS SEXTILE ( 60) 4.10( 4.19) W
MERCURY SATURN QUINTILE( 72) 2.10( 2.35) W
MERCURY NEPTUNE QUINTILE( 72) 2.25( 2.43) W
MERCURY MOON SEXTILE ( 60) 2.93( 2.71) W
MERCURY MOONNODE OPPOSED (180) 3.32( 5.38) A
MERCURY PARS F. OPPOSED (180) 5.70( 7.10) W
VENUS MARS SEMISQ. ( 45) 3.78( 3.63) W
VENUS JUPITER CONJUNCT( 0) 4.69( 5.14) A
VENUS PLUTO QUINTILE( 72) 0.95( 0.21) W
VENUS MOON TRINE (120) 1.16( 1.57) W
VENUS PARS F. TRINE (120) 1.60( 1.63) W
VENUS M.C. SQUARE ( 90) 1.99( 1.99) W
MARS SATURN SQUARE ( 90) 1.21( 1.26) W
MARS URANUS CONJUNCT( 0) 3.08( 3.13) W
MARS NEPTUNE SQUARE ( 90) 1.07( 1.10) W
MARS PLUTO SEMISEX.( 30) 0.17( 0.82) W
JUPITER URANUS SEMISEX.( 30) 3.45( 3.47) A
JUPITER MOON TRINE (120) 5.86( 6.01) W
JUPITER PARS F. TRINE (120) 3.09( 3.09) A
JUPITER M.C. SQUARE ( 90) 2.70( 2.70) A
SATURN URANUS SQUARE ( 90) 1.86( 1.84) A
SATURN NEPTUNE CONJUNCT( 0) 0.15( 0.81) A
SATURN PLUTO SEXTILE ( 60) 1.04( 1.02) A
URANUS NEPTUNE SQUARE ( 90) 2.01( 2.00) A
URANUS PLUTO SEMISEX.( 30) 2.91( 3.94) A
NEPTUNE PLUTO SEXTILE ( 60) 0.90( 0.75) W
PLUTO MOON SEMISQ. ( 45) 2.79( 4.69) W
MOON PARS F. TRINE (120) 2.76( 2.63) W
MOON ASCEND. SEMISQ. ( 45) 2.83( 3.02) W
MOON M.C. SEMISEX.( 30) 3.16( 2.75) W
PARS F. ASCEND. QUINTILE( 72) 2.93( 2.93)
PARS F. M.C. INCONJ. (150) 0.39( 0.39)
ASCEND. M.C. QUINTILE( 72) 2.68( 2.68)
PARALLEL ASPECTS (IF ANY) ARE AS FOLLOWS:
SUN PARALLEL JUPITER WITHIN 56.1' (21N 9 & 22N 5)
MARS PARALLEL JUPITER WITHIN 30.5' (22N36 & 22N 5)
MARS PARALLEL URANUS WITHIN 6.1' (22N36 & 22N30)
MARS PARALLEL PLUTO WITHIN 21.4' (22N36 & 22N57)
JUPITER PARALLEL URANUS WITHIN 24.4' (22N 5 & 22N30)
JUPITER PARALLEL PLUTO WITHIN 51.9' (22N 5 & 22N57)
SATURN PARALLEL NEPTUNE WITHIN 47.5' ( 5S54 & 6S42)
URANUS PARALLEL PLUTO WITHIN 27.5' (22N30 & 22N57)
ESSENTIAL DIGNITIES (IF ANY) FOLLOW :
MERCURY IS FALLEN IN LEO
MARS IS FALLEN IN CANCER
JUPITER IS DETRIMENTAL IN GEMINI
SATURN IS EXALTED IN LIBRA
+ (BY EXACT DEGREE , 21)
PLUTO IS EXALTED IN LEO
MUTUAL RECEPTIONS (IF ANY) FOLLOW :
JUPITER AND URANUS ARE MUTUALLY RECEPTIVE BY EXALTED SIGNS
DISPOSITORSHIPS FOLLOW ("D" MEANS "IS THE DISPOSITOR OF")
VENUS D SATURN
D NEPTUNE
D MOON D SUN D MERCURY D VENUS
D JUPITER
D M.C.
D PLUTO D ASCEND.
D MARS
D URANUS D MOONNODE
D PARS F.
MERC VENUS MARS JUPIT SATUR URAN NEPT PLUTO
HELIOCENTRIC--------
LONGITUDE 9K16 24P47 20C33 8G23 27= 0 18C51 23= 5 22L49
LATITUDE 5S29 3S21 1N37 0S41 2N29 0N27 1N41 9N33
DECLINATION 28S36 5S 9 23N29 21N 2 8S 5 22N34 7S24 22N55
GEOCENTRIC----------
PARTS 9/41 13=47 25S 0 18=28 23Q47 21S56 23Q56 24/50
NORTH PLANETARY NODE 11C27 9C34 15G40 12C34 23C31 15G43 10L46 19C49
SOUTH PLANETARY NODE 22L12 11V15 10= 5 6K12 22K57 11/38 11Q48 19K28
TO GET SIDEREAL LONGITUDES SUBTRACT 24.0916 DEG. FROM ALL LONGITUDES
CHART BELOW USES TROPICAL GEOCENTRIC ...CAMPANUS... HOUSE SYSTEM
1
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...=. . ....
... . ...
... . . ....
.. .. . L .. .L
.. . . P . ..
.. M . . . E ...
.. O .. . . M U ..
.. S . . . SAR .
. NA .. . .. MU .
S.. E . . . ...
. ... .. . .. ... C
.. ... . . . .. .
.. .. . X . IX . ... ..
. ... .. . . ... .
.. ... XI . . . VIII ... ..
. .... .. . . .... JU .
. ... . . . .. VE .
. XII .. . . . ... VII .
. ......... G
..................................+..................................
/ ......... .
. I .. . . . ... VI .
. ... . . . .. .
. .... .. . . .... .
.. ... II . . . V ... ..
. ... .. . . ... .
. .. . III . IV . ... ..
. ... . . . .. ..
K ... .. . .. ... .
... . . . ..T.
. .. . .. ..
. . . . ...
. N .. . . ..
.. M F. . . .
.. P. . . ..
Q. .. . .. ..
.. . . . ..
.... . ....
.... . .A..
...P..................
INTERCEPTED SIGNS (IF ANY) FOLLOW
GEMINI SAGITARIUS
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| 29.6 | | MILRAT::KEEFE | | Mon Oct 28 1985 08:29 | 7 |
| If anyone is interested, I have the sources to the program being discussed.
Send me mail if interested. The program was originally written in Fortran
to run on TOPS10/20 systems. The last time I tried to compile on the VAX,
which was years ago, it either didn't compile or didn't work correctly.
The book in question is called "The Astrologers Handbook" by Frances Sakoian
and Louis S. Acker, published in 1973 by Harper and Row. I confess to being
the one that put that reference in the ASTROL.HLP file.
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| 29.7 | | SNICKR::ARDINI | | Mon Oct 28 1985 09:01 | 1 |
| My version is on a vax if anyone wants it!......Jorge'
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| 29.8 | | GLORY::SHIVES | | Mon Oct 28 1985 12:36 | 3 |
| re: .5,.6,.7
I am interested in the sources.
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| 29.9 | | MILRAT::KEEFE | | Tue Oct 29 1985 09:16 | 27 |
| RE .5 this chart might be helpful.
Abbreviations used in the horoscope output include :
SU=SUN A=ARIES
ME=MER=MERC=MERCURY T=TAURUS
VE=VEN=VENUS G=GEMINI
MA=MAR=MARS C=CANCER
JU=JUP=JUPIT=JUPITER L=LEO
SA=SAT=SATUR=SATURN V=VIRGO
UR=URA=URAN=URANUS ==LIBRA
NE=NEP=NEPT=NEPTUNE S=SCORPIO
PL=PLU=PLUTO /=SAGITTARIUS
MO=MOO=MOON K=CAPRICORN
MN=NOD=NODE=MOON'S NORTH NODE Q=AQUARIUS
PF=PF.=P.F.=PARS F.=PARS FORTUNA P=PISCES
AS=ASC=RISING=ASCEND.=ASCENDANT
MC=MC.=M.C.=MID-HEAVEN DEG.=DEGREES
DESC.=DESCENDANT
I.C.=INFIMUM COELI N=NORTH
S=SOUTH
GMT=GREENWICH MEAN TIME
GST=GREENWICH SIDEREAL TIME RETRO=RETROGRADE
LMT=LOCAL MEAN TIME DIR=DIRECT MOTION
LST=LOCAL SIDEREAL TIME
JD=JULIAN DAY NUMBER
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| 29.10 | | SNICKR::ARDINI | | Fri Nov 15 1985 12:28 | 11 |
| I have been trying to decipher my horoscope output from the Astrol.exe
program. I have the source book "The Astrologer's Handbook" and have a little
trouble figuring a few things out. One is the "Overlays". I noticed how the
natural order of houses and the order according to your time of birth is
different. Does the overlay deal with this difference between the natural order
and the particular person order and how do I figure out what overlay it is?
And if anyone could shed some light on dispositorships and exaltations I would
appreciate it.
Thanks for any feedback,
Jorge'
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| 29.11 | | VAXUUM::DYER | | Tue Dec 31 1985 18:34 | 8 |
| My main criticism of astrology has to do with the division
of the sky into 12 constellations. For one thing, it takes a
lot of contriving to make the stars look like what they're said
to look like; for another, I've heard that the reason there are
12 is that somebody was supersititious about the number 13
(which is, after all, the more reasonable number to use, seeing
as that's how many moons there are per year).
<_Jym_>
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| 29.12 | | LASSIE::TBAKER | | Tue Dec 31 1985 22:13 | 21 |
| There are a number of different sets of names for the constellations.
I have heard of a Far Eastern, an Arabic and, of course, a Roman. Yes,
some of the contellation names seem obscure, but they have to be given
some sort of name. Also, things have changed since the stars were first
given there names. For one, you can't see as much of the sky as you could
2000+ years ago. There are many dim stars that I think would help you
see what people saw in the stars back then. For example, try to see
the contellation Cancer some night. You'll find it's difficult to see
it from outside the city and all but impossible from inside a city.
Also, the stars have actually moved since ancient times. At one point
in the not so distant path, the ancienmariners navigated by a star
called Thuban. This star has "moved" and Polaris (the North Star) has
taken its place.
BTW the contellation Leo is seen in the three versions of Astronomy mentioned
above as being a Lion.
Hope this helps!
Tom
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| 29.13 | | DR::BLINN | | Wed Jan 01 1986 18:49 | 16 |
| Re: .11 --
> I've heard that the reason there are
> 12 is that somebody was supersititious about the number 13
> (which is, after all, the more reasonable number to use, seeing
> as that's how many moons there are per year).
Gosh, I thought there was just one moon (at least, in orbit around the
planet "Earth"). And that it was the same one, year after year.
Perhaps you've been "seeing stars"? Or perhaps Mr. Topaz's pedantic
style has been rubbing off on me..
Good to see you here, <_Jym_>.
Tom
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| 29.14 | | PEN::KALLIS | | Thu Jan 02 1986 09:08 | 15 |
| The vreason there are 12 constellations in the zodiac [meaning "animal-belt,"
approximately, and coming from the same roots as "zoo" for park where ani-
mals are kept, and zoology, for "study of anumals] is because it was forst
refined by the Assyro-Babylonians (mostly the latter) who had a 60-based
numbering system; there are approximately 360 days in a year, and 360/60=12.
Silly, but charmingly mystic.
As noted earlier, traditional judicial astrology tries to ignore such intru-
sions as the precession of the equinoxes. Natural astrology (planting
cycles) partially ignores it, but is tied into lunar phases; neoastrology
schemes aren't concerned with it, since they're primarily based on the
theory of tides.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 29.15 | | DR::BLINN | | Fri Jan 03 1986 20:19 | 10 |
| Re: .14 --
> The reason there are 12 constellations in the zodiac [is] 360/60=12.
This makes about as much sense as most "scientific" explanations of things
zodiacal, and contains about as many "scientific facts"..
By the way, 6 * 6 = 36..
Tom :^)
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| 29.16 | | VAXUUM::DYER | | Mon Jan 06 1986 03:04 | 5 |
| [RE .14]: I guess that's kinda my point: the Babylonians
(I *thought* it was them, but I wasn't very sure) preferred
"classical" numbers like 60 and 12, rather than a "natural"
number like 13.
<_Jym_>
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| 29.17 | | PEN::KALLIS | | Wed Jan 08 1986 14:36 | 5 |
| re .16:
See "What's In A Number?" note below.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 29.18 | | PBSVAX::COOPER | | Fri Jan 10 1986 18:53 | 55 |
| Re: 29.14
Close. As I understand it, the Assyro-Babylonian number system was dual
radixed. The primary radix was indeed 60. The secondary radix was 12. This
is similar to the Roman numeral system which is dual based 10 and 5 (That is
it "grows" by powers of 10, but separate symbols exist for numbers which are
five times a power of 10). There seemed to be some "bias" towards 30 (similar
to our "bias" towards 5 and probably for the same reason; for example the
number 15 seems more like a "round number" to us then e.g., 14 or 17).
Where we would have had a tendency to "look" for 10 signs, to the Babylonians,
12 seemed more natural.
A regularized calendar of 12 months of 30 days each (for a total of 360 days
in the year) seemed more "right" to the Babylonians then the "natural" (lunar)
calendar of 13 months of 28 days (total = 364 days). This necessitates
roughly 5 days of "leap days" each year. I could speculate that there was a
myth (probably lost) explaining why the moon moves too fast and the sun too
slow.
My best guess is that our use of 360 degrees represents the "ideal" amount of
movement of the sun each day, but I'm probably wrong. Anyone know?
We get from the Babylonian number system:
the 12 hours of the day
the 12 hours of the night
the 60 minutes in an hour
the 60 seconds in a minute of time
the 60 minutes in a degree
and the 60 seconds in a minute of angle
I suspect that we also get
the 12 inches in a foot
and "special" names for eleven and twelve (rather than "one-teen" and
"two-teen")
directly or indirectly from the same source.
(All of the above is taken from not-very-recent memory and thus very subject
to error).
By the way, it has frequently been pointed out that base 12 would be "better"
than base 10 for our number system since "more numbers divide 12 then 10." It
is rarely pointed out why this is an advantage. The only reason I know of has
to do with divisibility tests. In base 10 we can quickly tell if a number is
divisible by 2, 5 or 10 by looking only at its last digit, and we can almost
as quickly tell if a number is divisible by 4, 20, 25, 50 or 100 by looking at
the last two. In base 12 we can quickly tell if a number is divisible by 2,
3, 4, 6 or 12 by looking at the last digit and almost as quickly tell if its
divisible by 8, 9, 16, 18, 24, 36, 48, 72 or 144 by looking at the last 2.
That's 13 quick divisibility checks against 8 for base 10.
Topher
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| 29.19 | | PEN::KALLIS | | Mon Jan 13 1986 09:19 | 12 |
| Re .18:
Your memory is not faulty.
Additionally (although, only indirectly related), the idea of a 360-day
calender was not confined to the Assyro-Babylonians. The ancient Egyptians
had an extremely simple and in its own way elegant calender: each week was 10
days long, each month was 3 weeks long, and there were 12 months. Total, 360
days. The other days "left over" were pplaced _outside_ any month and were
special holidays. On Leap Year, there were six holidays instead of five.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 29.20 | | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Wed Apr 09 1986 14:09 | 10 |
| If SNICKR::ARDINI could oblige me, I'd like to get a copy of astrology
program. Does anyone out there also have a program that can calculate
angles for the transits? (Sitting with the Ephemeris out there
and doing them by hand is a bear.)
And in case anyone is interested, I'm a budding astrologer looking
for people's charts to do.
Regards,
Marcia Butchart
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| 29.21 | Planetary Dignities | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Fri Apr 18 1986 14:08 | 92 |
| RE: 10.10
This may help explain a little of what dispositors, rulers, exal-
tations, etc. are about.
Since a natal chart is so complex, one of the astrologer's tasks
is to figure out which energies (signs and planets) are stronger
than others and are more likely to manifest in the person's char-
acter and life. The system of planetary dignities attempts to do
this. The system goes on the assumption that the energy of each
planet is most compatible with a given sign. The common terminology
is to say the planet "rules" the sign. When a planet is placed
in the sign it rules, it is believed that its energies can manifest
most naturally; therefore a planet placed in its own sign is believed
to be strongly placed.
A planet placed in any other sign than the one it rules has its
energy expression modified by the energy of the sign. The sign
of a planet's EXALTATION is the sign whose modifications generate
the most positive features of the planet's energy. So it is believed
that a planet placed in the sign of its exaltation manifests with
its "best foot forward", making it easier to express the positive
qualities associated with the planet.
The other two terms used in the system of planetary dignities are
the signs of a planet's DETRIMENT and FALL.
A planet placed in the sign OPPOSITE the sign it rules is said to
be in its DETRIMENT. There are several interpretations for this
type of position, but the one I subscribe to is this: signs across
the zodiac from each other have the same polarity (yin or yang)
and the same quality (cardinality, fixity or mutability). The only
thing that differs is the actual element (fire, earth, air or water).
So if a planet in the sign it RULES can express itself most naturally,
the planet in the sign of its detriment can have trouble expressing
itself because the features of the sign (element, polarity, quality)
are very similar--with one difference. So a planet in its detriment
might start out to "act naturally", only to run up against a road-
block and find that one actually has to modify the expression of
the energy after all. We've all had that experience from time to
time.
When a planet is placed in the sign OPPOSITE the sign of its EXALTATION
it is said to be in its FALL. There are many interpretations for
this position, also. What I believe operates is this: if a planet
in its exaltation brings out its most positive qualities, the sign
of its fall can bring out more of the negative qualitites.
You will sometimes read in astrology texts that planets in their
detriment or fall are "weakly placed", as if their energy didn't
flow as much. Not true, in my experience. And not all modern
astrologers pay attention to this old system, preferring their own
assessments of the planet's qualities in a sign and figuring out
whether energy expression is easy or difficult depending on how
it is aspected.
Example: The Moon
Sign of Rulership Cancer
Sign of Exaltation Taurus
Sign of Detriment Capricorn
Sign of Fall Scorpio
The Moon and Cancer are very similar, both being concerned with
the home (psychological and physical) the past (and past
conditioning), the mother & the nurturant instinct, the emotional
life, ones roots. The emotions are said to flow very easily when
the Moon is placed in Cancer.
The Moon in Taurus represents the nurturant qualities that bring
about growth (the water of the Moon in the earth of Taurus). This
is considered a very "grounded" position for the Moon, where the
emotional flow is steady and nourishing.
The Moon in Capricorn can come out as emotional repression, because
we are often taught that feelings and nurturance have no place in
the outside world. Of course this is a bit silly, since the Moon,
with its emphasis on the past, roots and conditioning, is what shapes
what we do in the world. But open expression of emotion is often
not tolerated well, and so Moon in Capricorn people may be firm
on the outside and weeping on the inside.
The Moon in Scorpio would seem to be a natural placement, since
Scorpio is a water sign and the Moon is a water planet. But energy
expressions in Scorpio tend towards intensity and sometimes extremes.
The emotional nature can be passionate, powerful and stormy, as
contrasted with the calm of the Moon in Taurus.
Well, this got rather longwinded, so I think I'll deal with dispositors
in another reply. Hope you find it somewhat informative, though.
Marcia
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| 29.22 | Encore, Encore... Author, Author... | USHS01::MCALLISTER | The Shadow Knows ... | Fri Apr 18 1986 16:01 | 9 |
| Great, absolutely riveting.
Looking forward with great interest to the next.
(and hopefully more in the future).
Thanks for sharing this information with us.
Dave
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| 29.23 | Now for Dispositors | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Sat Apr 19 1986 20:11 | 59 |
| Well, now, let's see about dispositors.
The system of finding the dispositor is also an attempt to see which
energies will manifest most consistently. It's rather esoteric.
Most of you who have had your chart done have probably heard the
astrologer speak in terms of the Big 3 significators of the chart:
the Sun sign, the Moon sign and the Ascendent. The planets that
rule those signs are felt to operate most strongly in your character.
Example: Saggitarius Ascendent - ruled by Jupiter
Pisces Sun - ruled by Neptune
Aquarius Moon - ruled by Uranus
So, in addition to the Sun and Moon, the astrologer would conclude
that the energies of Jupiter, Neptune and Uranus would manifest
strongly in your basic character, because your Sun (will & ego)
would express itself in a sensitive, Neptunian fashion, your emotional
nature would express itself in a humanitarian, unique, Uranian way,
and your self that the world sees (Ascendent) would express in an
expansive, open-minded Jupiterian way.
The finding of the Dispositor is to carry the concept of rulership
to the nth degree, trying to find the planet whose energies ultimately
color your whole life. And here's how they go about it:
The above example had Sun in Pisces, which is ruled by Neptune.
So, next you look to Neptune to see what sign it is in. This example
has Neptune in Libra, which is ruled by Venus. (Then look at Venus
to see which sign IT is in!) Venus is in Aries, which is ruled
by Mars. And Mars is also in Aries, so Mars is the ultimate
dispositor of the Sun. The astrologer studying this chart would
therefore conclude that this person with Sun in Pisces would not
act like a stereotypical, wispy, dreamy character we associate with
Sun in Pisces. Ultimately, the person would act in an assertive,
Martian manner.
This can then be done for all the planets in the person's chart.
It is RARE to find a final dispositor for all the planets in the
chart. It only usually occurs when there is ONE planet placed in
the sign of its Rulership--Mars in Aries, in the above case.
How much weight do dispositors have? It depends. I know the above
person, and I can testify that he does indeed behave in a more Martian
fashion than his chart at first glance might suggest. But dispositors
alone will not operate that strongly. If they do, it is probably
because there are supporting factors in the rest of the chart.
For instance, in the above example, this Martian Piscean has
Saggitarius rising, which is not exactly a shrinking violet sign.
AND his Piscean Sun is Conjunct Jupiter, Sag's planet. AND Mars
itself is involved in a powerful aspect configuration with Saturn
and Uranus, which makes for a good power trio. AND the configuration
has an angular placement, i.e., the planets are in either the 1st,
4th, 7th or 10th houses. The defining houses of your character,
as it were. So the Mars dispositorship is only one facet of the
power and decisiveness this person actually manifests.
You can bet that NO ONE ever guesses his sun sign!
Marcia
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| 29.24 | Overlays | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Mon Apr 28 1986 09:22 | 63 |
| I went to the bookstore and looked up the Frances Sakoian book that's
been referred to elsewhere in this note. I was specifically looking
for the part on "overlays", and now that I understand what she's
writing about, here is, hopefully, a further clarification.
The 12 houses of your birth chart represent the 12 major areas of
life, and each one is said to be "ruled" by a certain sign, which
is in turn "ruled" by a certain planet. There are keywords for
each house and its sign:
1st House Aries I Am
2nd House Taurus I Have (Value)
3rd House Gemini I Think (& communicate)
4th House Cancer I Feel
5th House Leo I Create
6th House Virgo I Serve
7th House Libra I Relate (also balance)
8th House Scorpio I Desire
9th House Saggitarius I "See"
10th House Capricorn I Build
11th House Aquarius I "Know" (intuition)
12th House Pisces I Believe (idealize)
A person with a birthtime and place that gives him/her an Aries
ascendent has what astrologers call a "natural" chart. Each sign
is on the cusp of the house it rules, and the individual tends to
work in the affairs of that house very naturally. The 1st House,
has the keyword I AM (or identify). If someone has Aries rising,
this Arian house of identity is expressed in an assertive, Arian
manner, and many people will hazard a guess that the person's Sun
is in Aries, since the visible personality (1st House) comes across
in that forthright, headstrong way.
Even when some other sign is rising in the chart, the 1st House
is still the house of identity. But the identity the person projects
is OVERLAID by the additional energy of the other sign. If an Aries
rising person's 1st House says:
I AM, THEREFORE I AM
The Gemini-rising person's 1st House says:
I THINK, THEREFORE I AM
(Thank you, Mr. Descartes, for that nice, quotable example.)
Similarly, any other sign rising in the chart would color the identity:
Taurus I HAVE (VALUE), THEREFORE I AM
Gemini I THINK, THEREFORE I AM
Cancer I FEEL, THEREFORE I AM
Leo I CREATE, THEREFORE I AM
Virgo I SERVE, THEREFORE I AM
Libra WE ARE, THEREFORE I AM
Scorpio I DESIRE, THEREFORE I AM
Saggitarius I SEE, THEREFORE I AM
Capricorn I BUILD, THEREFORE I AM
Aquarius I KNOW (OR I AM UNIQUE), THEREFORE I AM
Pisces I HAVE FAITH, THEREFORE I AM
Hope this was helpful, if long.
Marcia
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| 29.25 | Joke Time | NATASH::BUTCHART | | Wed Apr 30 1986 21:13 | 7 |
| Q: How many astrologers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Depends on what house it's in.
(Sorry, I just couldn't resist any longer.)
-M-
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| 29.26 | New book on planetary positions with programs. | PBSVAX::COOPER | Topher Cooper | Tue May 06 1986 15:03 | 28 |
| For you astrologers (especially those interested in paleoastrology/onomy)
this came across the USENET astronomy newsgroup this weekend.
_________________________________________________________________________
Newsgroups: net.astro
Path: decwrl!ucbvax!BBNCD2.ARPA!koolish
Subject: planetary position programs
Posted: 1 May 86 21:58:52 GMT
Organization: The ARPA Internet
Willmann-Bell will be publishing a book called "Planetary
Positions and Tables from -4000 to +2800". The book contains
formulae, tables and microcomputer programs in FORTRAN and BASIC
to compute the longitude of the sun and the geocentric longitudes
and latitudes of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus
and Neptune with a precision that is always better than 0.01
degree.
They have a special pre-publication price of $15.95 until June 2nd.
The computer programs are also available on disk for the IBM-PC.
Willmann-Bell, Inc.
P.O.Box 35025
Richmond, VA 23235
804-320-7016
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| 29.27 | More on the Ephemerides | PBSVAX::COOPER | Topher Cooper | Wed May 07 1986 18:09 | 65 |
| Here's more on the Ephemerides from another source:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Newsgroups: net.astro,net.astro.expert
Path: decwrl!decvax!wanginst!ulowell!ci-dandelion!talcott!husc6!harvard!seismo!lll-crg!mordor!ut-sally!utastro!bill
Subject: Planetary Ephemerides
Posted: 2 May 86 21:45:14 GMT
Organization: U. Texas, Astronomy, Austin, TX
Keywords: Ephemeris, Planets
Xref: decwrl net.astro:1263 net.astro.expert:231
Posted: Fri May 2 17:45:14 1986
A new book is about to be published that will probably satisfy
the needs of most amateurs for planetary positions. The publisher
will also make the algorithms available on magnetic media to
those who purchase the book. The authors are well-known
celestial mechanicians. Positions of the Sun and planets (except
Pluto) are given. Naked-eye planets are given for the period
-4000 - +8000 AD (except Jupiter which only goes to 2800 AD);
Uranus and Neptune are given for 1600 - 2800 AD. Thus these
tables are especially useful for archaeoastronomy and the
history of astronomy.
The general accuracy of the tables is of the order of 30" of
arc or better.
For orders postmarked no later than JUNE 2, 1986, a prepublication
discount will be given (CASH ORDERS ONLY!) The book by itself is
$15.95 (regularly $20.95). Prepublication package deals with the book
plus floppies for IBM PC Basic, Borland Pascal (with or without 8087
support), FORTRAN and Applesoft are available at prices from $29.95
to $44.95, depending on the software ordered. These prices represent
savings of up to $15 from the regular price. Extra charges apply
for orders to non-US addresses. Shipping is scheduled for June 23, 1986,
and orders will be shipped in the order received. See the flier for details.
The book is entitled *Planetary Programs and Tables from -4000 to +2800*,
by P. Bretagnon and J.-L. Simon, of the Bureau des Longitudes, Paris.
The publisher is
Willman-Bell, Inc.
PO Box 35025
Richmond VA 23235
You can request a copy of the flier from the publisher.
A technical description of the programs was published recently
in *Journal for the History of Astronomy*, "Presentation of New Solar
and Planetary Tables of Interest for Historical Calculation", by
P. Bretagnon, J. L. Simon and J. Laskar, *JHA 17*, part 1, p. 39-50
(1986).
This looks like an excellent deal for the many Usenetters who have
requested programs for planetary positions in the past. It is
likely to be a standard reference work for many years to come.
--
Glend. I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hot. Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you
do call for them? -- Henry IV Pt. I, III, i, 53
Bill Jefferys 8-%
Astronomy Dept, University of Texas, Austin TX 78712 (USnail)
{allegra,ihnp4}!{ut-sally,noao}!utastro!bill (UUCP)
[email protected]. (Internet)
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| 29.28 | Let's not forget the statistics ... | CYCLPS::BAHN | Reality is just a collective hunch ... | Sat Jun 07 1986 23:44 | 15 |
| Today, I finally had the time to print out a lot of notes from DEJAVU. As I
read them, I'm likely to respond to old notes ... my apologies (if anybody
really cares).
This one is to #29 (obviously) ... I didn't notice that anyone has pointed out
that Astrology has a statistical basis ... when Pluto was discovered, its
"generational" influence was determine by computing where Pluto was in ancient
times and "deciding" what those times were like. (The "effects" of Uranus and
Neptune were determined by studying the charts of historical personages.)
Presumably, the ancient (Babylonians ... Atlanteans?) determined the
relationships of the inner planets in the same way.
Aries, Gemini Rising,
Terry
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| 29.29 | Help | SHIVER::MARTINEK | | Fri Jul 11 1986 11:17 | 10 |
|
re: .7
Does anyone else have the ASTROL.EXE file? We had some technical
difficulty sending it me and perhaps if someone has a node closer
to mine...You can send me mail on SHIVER::MARTINEK.
Maybe I'm just not supposed to know...?
Angela
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| 29.30 | | SHIVER::MARTINEK | | Fri Jul 18 1986 13:18 | 8 |
| Perhaps I can be clearer now...(I find not everyone can read my
mind).
I am looking for the ASTROL.FOR program that can be run on a VAX.
I believe, unlike the .EXE, it can be sent through MAIL?
My account can be reached by ALPINE::SHIVER::MARTINEK.
I'm looking forward...
Angela
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| 29.32 | Do you want to modify it? | CYCLPS::BAHN | Well yes, I DO live on an island ... | Fri Jul 18 1986 23:59 | 9 |
| Why MAIL the source when you can COPY the executable image ... unless, of
course, you want to change the program? Anyway,
$ COPY CYCLPS""::CYCU[GAMES]ASTROL.EXE []*
will get you an executable copy ... but please copy it after hours ... a job
submitted to SYS$BATCH after midnight would be nice.
Terry
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| 29.33 | | 8702::DENHAM | Every silver lining has a dark cloud | Tue Jul 22 1986 06:38 | 7 |
| Terry,
I tried to copy it, and get "Insufficient privilege or file protection
violation".
Kathleen
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| 29.34 | Oops ... | CYCLPS::BAHN | Well yes, I DO live on an island ... | Tue Jul 22 1986 08:45 | 7 |
| Kathleen,
I'm embarrassed to say that I can't either ... our "games" account is protected.
I'll see if I can entice someone with privileges to give me a copy of ASTROL.EXE
that I can open up in my account. Then, you can copy it from me.
Terry
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| 29.36 | Saves me the trouble ... | CYCLPS::BAHN | Well yes, I DO live on an island ... | Tue Jul 22 1986 08:52 | 4 |
| That seems to take care of the problem ... and the source is there as well ...
thanks Bill.
Terry
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| 29.37 | ' Sources sans VAX. PS: Arachne=13th' | CURIE::COSTLEY | | Mon Jun 22 1987 10:28 | 11 |
| It's one thing to have a dump of the source files, quite another
to have no VAX! (our problem ever since leaving MR01 in '80).
A home DECmate don't help.
- Boleslaw
PS The 13th sign, often that of the Spider, Spinner, or Arachne
is the subject of a fascinating book (author, etc. TBS).
As a Tauro/Geminian cusp, it particularly explaine me to me;
likewise my sister & her new son. Others: Lary Olivier, etc.
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| 29.38 | Can I have a copy also? | NAC::L_WILLIAMS | | Fri Feb 05 1988 09:53 | 10 |
| I am new to this notesfile and in the process of reading everynote
here (I don't want to miss anything (:-).....)
I am very interested in getting a copy of the astrol program.
I see in .35 that Bill Keefe has this file. Bill, are you still
at this node and will you give me permission to copy the file?
thanks in advance.
Lorraine
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| 29.39 | are both of us in the cusp? | YUPPY::CARTER | Oh for the Bonnie Banks and Braes... | Wed Oct 19 1988 13:09 | 24 |
| Hi,
I've just started reading this notesfile and as theres over 16,000 unread
notes I guess it'll take me a while to catch up...
Meanwhile, as this is the only note with the astology keyword I
thought I'd ask this here.
Is there anybody who'd like to do my chart as I don't seem to fit
the normal pattern going from the normal descriptions - I think I was
born in the cusp - but I could be wrong.
I was born in Stirling, Scotland at 16:00 on May 22nd 1963...
my boyfriend was born in the same town on May 20th 1962... so he's
a taurus and I'm gemini... we're having some major problems right
now and I thought astology might hold the key...
Hope someone can help
Xtine
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| 29.40 | | YUPPY::CARTER | Less of me all the time... | Fri Oct 28 1988 06:23 | 9 |
| I would like to thank Ines Abeya for sending me the charts for both
myself and my boyfriend.
Is there anybody who could interpret these... or recommend a good
book so I could try myself?
Thanks
Xtine
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| 29.41 | Some Texts | NATASH::BUTCHART | Intergalactic Elephant | Fri Oct 28 1988 11:15 | 23 |
| There is a very good, new text available in our area, called _Houses
Of The Horoscope_, author Bill Herbst (sorry I don't have the ISBN
number available at the moment). Herbst writes in a way that grounds
the beginner in the terminology and history without getting too
wrapped up in it, and presents interpretations in language that
everyone can relate to. (I also think his interpretations are very
accurate, based on my own experience.) He focuses on the area of
natal chart interpretation most puzzling to the beginner: the house
positions of the planets. The planet's house positions show what
area of your life they will manifest most strongly; it's the part
that makes one's horoscope "personal".
A fairly good text that deals with synastry (astrological study
of relationships) is _Synastry_ by Penny Thornton. Although she
does get into the math of constructing things like the Composite
Chart, her chapters on elemental analysis (what elements dominate
in each of your charts) and interaspect analysis (what are the angular
relationships between his planets and yours) and relational house
placements (what houses of your horoscope are his important planets
in, and vice versa, and how does that influence your impressions
of each other) are easier to follow.
Marcia
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| 29.42 | contact for astrol.exe program | VITAL::KEEFE | Bill Keefe - 223-1837 - MLO21-4 | Wed Feb 22 1989 19:15 | 5 |
| I've deleted reply .35 as it was pointing to a now non-existant
area. Anyone interested in the program should try contacting me
directly.
- Bill
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| 29.43 | Are birthdates connected in any way? | WITNES::MESAROS | | Mon Jul 10 1989 12:25 | 24 |
| I hope this is the right place for this question.
A friend of mine has recently broken off a relationship. She hopes
that at some point they will pick up where they left off. She has
gone to a few psychics who have told her that he was her "soulmate"
and that they will be together. Whether or not they meant in this
lifetime, I'm not sure.
Here is the question, in December, 1988 they had a big blow-out.
My friend, I'll call her Mary, met a new friend and they hit it
off instantly (female-I'll call her Sue). Sue was wondering if
she could be some kind of temporary substitute, somehow for Mary's
boyfriend. They were born on the same date. I don't know what
to think of this relationship. I don't know enough about the stars
to give her any feedback. Can anyone out there help?
Again, I am using my boss' account to access this file until I get
my own. But if you want to reply to me by mail instead in this
notesfile, I am at XIBITA::CASTRO.
Thanks for any input.
KC
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| 29.44 | | VCSESU::COOK | Leon, the unseen force. | Mon Jul 10 1989 12:43 | 7 |
|
re .43
Good question. A while back a friend of mine's daugher was born on
my birthday. Very strange indeed.
/prc
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| 29.45 | it's a bit more complex than that | LESCOM::KALLIS | To thine own self be candid. | Mon Jul 10 1989 13:37 | 13 |
| Re .43 (KC), .44 (prc):
I am not an astrologer. However, if one assumes that astrological
influences mold personalities, then there's a problem.
Being born "on the same day" would mean "on the same exact date"
(day, month, year) and the exact same time (absolute, not local
or standard) for the prople involved to being "the same." [Actually,
it's more complicated than that, but that's close enough for openers.]
If the prople were born in different years, then the total astrological
picture might be significantly different.
Steve Kallis, Jr.
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| 29.46 | yup | NATASH::BUTCHART | Intergalactic Elephant | Fri Jul 14 1989 17:08 | 38 |
| Re: .43 (KC)
Steve is correct in saying that it's more complex than that - a _lot_
more complex. When you mention "born on the same day" I am presuming
you mean that your friend's ex and her new friend share a birthday --
but not necessarily the same birth year or birth time. Without working
up both the exe's and the new friend's charts, (as well as "Mary's"
chart) it isn't possible to guess at the dynamics of the relationships
that may be similar.
As to whether the new friend is a "substitute" for the broken
relationship, there are a lot of possibilities. Maybe the relationship
was stifling Mary's ability to connect with other people, and she is
now able to connect more freely. Sometimes new friendships formed in
times of stress or trouble are extremely powerful, particularly if the
new friend has (or had) a similar problem. Perhaps the new friend
appears to "have" something Mary feels she "lacks". Perhaps the
"substitution" operating here is that Mary may desire a romantic
relationship but feel still hope for a reconciliation with her ex, and
a strong friendship gives her a way to relate intimately without
"betraying" her ex. Do you feel the new friendship is somehow less
than good for Mary?
As to whether Mary's ex is actually a soul mate, that's as may be. But
I firmly believe she doesn't have to continue with him if she's really
miserable with him even if the two of them came together to learn some
lessons. I remember a friend who was so powerfully impacted by a new
man that she had me look at their charts immediately. There were
indeed many karmic-looking connections between their charts. Her
question was: "He impacts me negatively in a tremendous way, but if the
connections are there, how can I argue with my karma?" (I'm
paraphrasing here.) The reply (also paraphrased) was out of my mouth
before I had time to think: "There are indications that you need to
experience such-and-so things relating, and that this relationship does
seem to evoke them. But _you can and should choose_ who you wish to
learn your lessons with."
Marcia
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| 29.47 | Thanks (again) | WITNES::MESAROS | | Mon Jul 17 1989 10:35 | 14 |
| Marcia,
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I've printed your reply for both of my friends. I'm sure they will
appreciate it as much as I do.
Not to get off the subject too much. Would you be able to do a
couple of charts for me?
Thanks,
KC
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| 29.48 | re: .47 | NATASH::BUTCHART | Intergalactic Elephant | Mon Jul 17 1989 12:21 | 8 |
| Contact me by phone (508-692-4552) after 6 pm weekdays and we can talk.
I do read birth charts for others in my spare time, and I also try to
be honorable as I can regarding not using company resources and time to
do it. So let me know at my home number (above).
Take care,
Marcia
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| 29.49 | | VCSESU::COOK | VAXcluster Engineering In-House Musician | Mon Jul 17 1989 12:32 | 6 |
|
re .29.47
I certainly hope your friends do work at Digital.
/prc
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| 29.50 | | WMOIS::CONNELL | I will do thee mischief in the wood. | Tue Sep 20 1994 13:16 | 35 |
| Well, I checked the keywords for event and events and astrology and
this seems to be the closest fit.
Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in this lecture, it is entered
for informational purposes only, with the consent of the sponsorer of
the event and the lecturer. Smiley's and in parentheses remarks are
mine.
Noted Astrologer (and former DEJAVU'er :-) )
Carole Fretts
Will offer the first in a series of Lectures
Sponsored by the Hobbit Doorway (Owned and operated by Ro Reinke
[formerly Flaherty] former DEJAVU'er)
at Ralph Longg's Marketplace
Rt. 2A (Main Street) Athol, Mass.
on Saturday, Octorber 15th, 1994
from 6PM to 9PM
W H A T A S T R O L O G Y H A S T O S A Y T O Y O U
Carole has studied Astrology for over 15 years.
She is a lecturer at the Astrology Institute, Lexington, Mass.
and is also a certified Polarity Therapist.
Donations Accepted.
End of Announcement.
If anyone is going and needs directions, send me MAIL at WMOIS::CONNELL
and I'll comply.
Bright Blessings
PJ
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| 29.51 | | TNPUBS::PAINTER | Planet Crayon | Tue Sep 20 1994 22:05 | 4 |
|
Carole is excellent...do go to the lecture if you can.
Cindy
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| 29.52 | PC Astrology Software Anyone? | LEMAN::GEANEY | | Sun Oct 16 1994 16:01 | 13 |
|
I am looking out for some software to handle the 'legwork' of preparing
charts, etc. I have read about a VAX program in here but I'm looking
for something to run in the PC/Windows environment. I've seen a few
packages around but thes seem to be either DOS based and not very good
or WIndows based and very expensive.
Anyone out there have any experience of these, got any pointers,
recommendations, etc.?.
Regards,
John (Sagitarius)
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