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Conference hydra::dejavu

Title:Psychic Phenomena
Notice:Please read note 1.0-1.* before writing
Moderator:JARETH::PAINTER
Created:Wed Jan 22 1986
Last Modified:Tue May 27 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2143
Total number of notes:41773

1.0. "Introduction" by BELKER::STANLEY () Fri Sep 20 1985 15:24

This note file is intended for discussion of psychic phenomena such as ESP,
precognition, dreams (I got the idea for this file in a dream), out of body 
experiences, etc.  I am not even slightly psychic but the subject interests me 
greatly.  Input is welcome from skeptics as well as believers. I've named this 
file DEJAVU because this is the "psychic" experience most people have in common 
(supposedly).  It should be interesting to see what kind of discussions arise 
out of the engineering community.

		Dave
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1.1VITAL::KEEFEBill Keefe - 223-1837 - MLO21-4Fri Apr 29 1988 16:233
    Following the convention of other conferences, note 1.* will be
    reserved for moderator comments and announcements. This is the reason
    the old replies from .1 to .15 have been moved or deleted. 
1.2Conference guidelinesVITAL::KEEFEBill Keefe - 223-1837 - MLO21-4Fri Apr 29 1988 16:52134
	PLEASE do not do a "NEXT UNSEEN" before reading this!!  

        1.  Subject matter
            
            This conference is for the purpose of discussing the pyschic
            phenomena and related topics. It is not constrained to any 
            particular area, but rather is conceived as a place where we 
            all can benefit from a variety of viewpoints.
            
            Participants of this conference should be willing to accept
            certain assumptions for the sake of argument in any
            given note. Those assumptions may themselves be the
            subject of other notes, but in order to avoid infinite
            digressions, we need to try to isolate each issue in its
            own topic. When an assumption you don't accept is made
            in a note, the correct thing to do is to put in a
            reference to the other discussion, with a very brief
            (one screen or less) statement of you position. 
        
        2.  Speaking badly of others
                
            It can at times be hard to see how to discuss a subject of
            a belief, channeling for example, without offending someone. 
	    In fact, that may not be possible. What is possible is to 
            confine your discussion to the issues and not the person.
            
            Suppose that someone makes a statement which you feel
            is wrong. You could respond in any one of the following
            manners:
            
              1.  "You'd have to be out of your mind to believe that!"
              2.  "That statement is stupid."
              3.  "That statement is wrong."
	      4.  "That activity is not proper/morally inappropriate etc."
              5.  "I disagree with that completely."
                
            The first three are unacceptable. The fourth is unacceptable
	    also, unless it includes wording similar to "in my opinion" or
	    "I believe". Participants should not assume that everyone knows 
	    they are stating an opinion. Without this caveat, it appears that
	    they are imposing judgments. There is no reason to
            criticize the person or to ridicule the argument. If you
            disagree, do so in a way that takes into account the other
            person's views of the point under discussion and do so without
            ridicule.
        
        3.  Criminal behavior & legal actions
            
            The best guideline is to not discuss things that are
            illegal in the area where you live or work, and to avoid
            speaking about things that are illegal in a large part
            of the world. 
        
        4.  Interfering with work
            
            It is very important that employee activity noting not
            interfere with the work of the corporation. There are
            however many ways to avoid this. In some parts of the
            company, activities not directly related to your job must
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            issue is handled by individual judgment or by mechanisms
            such as limiting (in software) the number of notes servers
            that can run during working hours. There are also procedures
	    which can be run automatically as a Batch job to collect the
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	    ones to you. Contact Bill Keefe (VITAL::KEEFE,MILRAT::KEEFE) if
	    you want a copy of the MAIL_VAXNOTES .com file authored by
	    Eric Osman.
                
            Don't tie up your local dial-ups to read this file from home
            if there are only one or two in your area. Someone may
            be trying to do off-hours work.
                
            Don't keep lengthy extractions of this file if you are
            tight on disk-space on your machine.
            
            Don't leave the conference open when you aren't
            reading it. Close it and reopen it later.
        
        5.  Inappropriate language
            
            Avoid "cuss-words", "four-letter words" and the like.
            Additionally, ordinary words can become "fighting words"
            when used improperly. There is nothing obscene (in English,
            at least) in calling someone's mother a camel, for instance.
            It might, however, get you punched in the nose. Provocative
            language of any sort is inappropriate. 

    
	6. Problem resolution        

        There are a couple of procedures that we wish to have participants
        of the conference try to follow. They are intended to minimize the
        disruption of the conference and especially to limit the 
	possibilities for misunderstanding and offense. Please follow these.
         
        No matter how well intentioned we are, being human, we can
        expect to write notes here which _unintentionally_ offend others.
        When this happens, we need to handle it expeditiously and with 
        sensitivity. The following procedures are intended to enable us 
        to deal with the problems as quickly and with as little fuss as 
        possible. *PLEASE* follow them if there are problems.
        
            If any person finds a note in this file objectionable, they
            have the right to contact the author of the note and/or the
            moderator(s) and request action be taken. They should state 
	    calmly why they find it objectionable. 
            
            Participants of this file are obliged to immediately hide a note
            when they receive a complaint about its content. (This is
            done by using the SET NOTE/HIDDEN command.) Once the note is
            hidden, the author and the objecting party should negotiate
            a resolution of the problem created by the note. Normally,
            the moderator will *not* act as a middleman in this process.
            
            Possible resolutions might include one or more of the
            following: 
            
              - deleting the note and re-posting it in an edited form
              - deleting it all together
              - posting a clarifying or explanatory note
              - a simple explanation to the objecting party
              - withdrawal of the complaint and "unhiding" the note
            
	    If the above doesn't work then the moderator(s) should be
	    contacted. If the *moderators* can not find a solution that is
            satisfactory to both parties, or if they are unable to act
            as go-betweens, either because of involvement in the
            problem or because it would interfere with their work, they
            will use their own discretion in determining the solution. 


  As the commercial says, "We thank you for your support."
    
1.4an ounce of preventionMARKER::KALLISAnger's no replacement for reasonWed Nov 02 1988 14:3116
    There is a fine line that we as moderators have to be sure that
    we don't cross in order to protect this Conference.  As outlined
    in Personnel Policies and Procedures, the contents of this file,
    the network, and the computer resources are provided by Digital.
    As a result, anything that can be construed as a commercial venture
    posted in this Conference could well be considered a conflict of
    interest.
    
    In order to make sure that we stay on the correct side of the
    limitations imposed by the corporation, the moderators ask that
    anything that could be construed as an advertisement be forwarded
    to at least one of us for evaluation before posting.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.                            Bill Keefe
                            [Moderators]
    
1.5conference directory locationsVITAL::KEEFEBill Keefe - 223-1837 - MLO21-4Mon Mar 06 1989 17:0711
    Since doing a directory of the entire conference can take awhile
    for those in distant places, anyone wishing to get a directory of
    all the topics in DEJAVU can copy the following file to their own
    system. The command to use is:                                 
                
    COPY VITAL""::DEJAVU_DIR.TXT []/LOG                              
     
    or a fairly recent directory can now be found at note 1000.*
    
   	- Bill Keefe (moderator)                                   
     
1.6new Notes featureVITAL::KEEFEBill Keefe - 223-1837 - MLO21-4Thu May 11 1989 22:408
    The latest version of notes allows replies, that have been entered into
    the wrong topic by mistake, to be moved to the topic that was
    originally being replied to - rather than having to delete and then
    re-enter the whole reply. Anyone needing assistance with this should
    contact one of the moderators.
    
    	- Bill Keefe
    
1.7Please ReadVITAL::KEEFEBill Keefe - dtn 223-1837 - MLO1-2Fri Jan 31 1992 14:10113
From:   Ron Glover, Corporate Personnel Policy Manager
Subj:   A Message to Employee Interest Notes File Users


                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     29-Jan-1992 11:49am EST
                                        From:     RON GLOVER
                                                  GLOVER.RON
                                        Dept:     Corporate Employee Relations
                                        Tel No:   508-493-9569

TO: Conference Moderators

Subject: A Message to Employee Interest Notes File Users




By way of introduction, I am the Corporate Personnel Policy Manager.
Part of my responsibility includes providing interpretation of Digital's
Personnel Policy, including the Personnel Policy 6.54.   I would greatly
appreciate your assistance in posting the attached memo from John Sims in
the Notes files you moderate, and as many other Employee Interest Notes
Files as possible.  Please give me a call if you have any questions.




                  I N T E R O F F I C E   M E M O R A N D U M

                                        Date:     30-Jan-1992
                                        From:     John Sims
                                                  SIMS.JOHN AT A1 at CORA @ CORE

                                        Dept:     Strategic Resources
                                        Tel No:   223-7243

TO:  Employee Interest Notes File Participants


Subject:  A message to employee interest notes file users

           A MESSAGE TO EMPLOYEE INTEREST NOTES FILE USERS


    Over the last few months I have received a number of complaints
    from employees, and individuals outside of the company about
    material communicated in electronic mail systems and posted in
    various employee interest notes files.  After reading some of this
    material it is clear that a reminder about appropriate comment and
    behavior in these systems is necessary.

    First, and most critically; the electronic mail systems and notes
    files are company facilities subject to normal workplace rules of
    conduct.   As such, the same rules that govern conduct and comment
    in any other Digital workplace apply with equal weight in these
    systems.  Stated simply, if you wouldn't say something in a
    Digital business meeting, you shouldn't say it in electronic mail
    or notes. PERIOD.

    Statements that attribute improper, illegal or immoral motives or
    actions to others; statements that cast aspersions on the
    character or integrity of others or that amount to libel or
    slander are not permitted. PERIOD.  In this regard, it does not
    matter whether the individuals subject to the comment are elected
    public officials or directors of organizations disfavored by the
    author.   There is no "Public Figure" exception in these systems.

    Comments of a sexual nature are not acceptable whether they are
    about the author or directed at others.  Similarly, comments that
    degrade, devalue or discriminate against others are also
    prohibited.

    Neither the notes conferences nor electronic mail should be used
    to solicit other employees.  This prohibition covers efforts to
    solicit employees for personal or political gain, to sell or
    market goods or services (except authorized marketplace or
    discount conferences) and efforts to solicit employees to take
    action, sign petitions or support particular causes or candidates.

    Finally, employees should remember that it is never appropriate to
    spend working time in employee interest notes for non-work
    purposes.  Personal or entertainment activities in these notes
    files should be limited to assigned break times, lunch time and
    before or after business hours.

    Employee interest notes files and conferences provide an
    electronic forum to share ideas and opinions about matters of
    common interest.  In supporting these conferences, the company
    understood that there would be occasions where employees would
    disagree on issues being discussed, but we believed and continue
    to believe it is possible to disagree without being disagreeable.
    Personnel Policy 6.54, Proper Use of Digital Computers, Systems
    and Networks provides further information about appropriate
    conduct and comment in these systems.  Employees who fail to meet
    these expectations, or who use company computer systems in ways
    that are contrary to the letter or spirit of that policy are
    subject to Corrective Action and Discipline up to and including
    the termination of their employment.

    The moderators of these conferences, along with your system
    managers, personnel representatives and the Personnel Policy
    Manager are all available to answer any question you might have
    about appropriate use of these systems.

    Please feel free to forward this memo to other Digital notes
    files and conferences.

Distribution:  Selected conference moderators
        [Original list deleted]

1.8Temporary ModeratorCADSYS::COOPERTopher CooperFri Aug 13 1993 16:385
    I'm going to be away for the next week (Parapsychological Association
    annual meeting), so todd Stark (DWOVAX::Stark) has been made moderator
    in my absence.  Try not to give him too hard a time.

                                            Topher
1.9Gone to Rio...may never return...will give it some thought. (;^)TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonThu Jan 26 1995 12:2414
    
    I'm going to be away for the next two weeks taking in the flora and
    fauna of Brazil (and maybe even meeting Marcos in person), so in my
    absense, Jamie Anderson (IJSAPL::ANDERSON) has kindly consented to 
    being your DEJAVU moderator during this time.  
    
    If for some reason you cannot reach Jamie, you can also contact Bill
    Keefe at USOPS::KEEFE.  Bill is the other permanent DEJAVU moderator, 
    but is too busy on a daily basis to moderate actively.
    
    Thanks again, Jamie.  
    
    Cindy
           
1.10Amazon, Iguassu Falls, Rio...fabulous...TNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonTue Feb 14 1995 12:047
               
    Back from Brasil, and it was the trip of a lifetime.  Will 
    write more as time permits.
    
    Thanks, Jamie, for moderating during these last two weeks.
    
    Cindy
1.11HOO78C::ANDERSONGeography is everywhere.Wed Feb 15 1995 08:223
    They were all pussy cats.

    Jamie.
1.12mod announcementTNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonMon Dec 11 1995 13:358
    
    Beginning this Friday, I'll be out of the office for several weeks, 
    and once again Jamie Anderson (IJSAPL::ANDERSON) has graciously 
    consented to being your DEJAVU moderator during this time.
    
    Happy Holidays everyone!  
    
    Cindy
1.13IJSAPL::ANDERSONSat by the firewall getting warm.Fri Jan 05 1996 04:245
    Unfortunately due to a minor medical matter I have had to move my
    holiday in Paris forwards by one week. To cover this period I have
    railroaded Ad Vissers in to being a Moderator until Cindy returns.

    Jamie.
1.14Moving to MROHYDRA::MOOREWindows-95%Tue Apr 02 1996 16:258
  The HYDRA cluster (which hosts DEJAVU conference) will be moving
  to MRO1 on Thursday, 4-Apr-1996.  I do not have our new node
  addresses yet and probably won't until we arrive there.  Update
  your DECnet node database after Thursday to get our new address,
  or use TCP/IP access (hydra.mro.dec.com).

  -Bruce Moore-
   HYDRA SysMgr
1.15bye everybodyTNPUBS::PAINTERPlanet CrayonWed Dec 11 1996 16:1717