Conference 7.286::sports_90

       Brooksie, how ya doin'? Paid all your bills from DECWORLD yet?
                                                     Denny

    What's the word on Scott Williams?  Carolina Blue reports he's been
    averaging around 10 ppg and is practically a lock to make the team.
    What are his chances of seeing some quality PT this year?
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    "Scott Williams, a 6-10 forward-center, might represent a coup. 
    Williams was not drafted out of North Carolina but appears to have
    found a spot in Chicago."
    
    -The National

    He'll be in the CBA by Christmas, just like his ol' running
    mate, Jeff Lebo!
    
    NAZZ

    >He'll be in the CBA by Christmas, just like his ol' running
    >mate, Jeff Lebo!
    
    >NAZZ
    
    Nazz, Let's save everyone the trouble and send me the press passes for
    when the Bulls come to the Gahden now.  MorT's still scraping the egg
    off his face from last year's debacle, and I'm a shoo-in to win any
    important contest...
    
    Dan

    I don't see why this needs duplicating.  Many other topics span more
    than one season.
    
    Mike

Another quote about Scott Williams, paraphrasing from USA Today:

	Williams has done well for the Bulls, unfortunately he has
	a shoulder like Mel Gibson's in Lethal Weapon, i.e. it pops
	out if he reaches for the salt.   

Beware Bulls fans, Williams has at least one career-ending injury 
{at least he acts that way} each game.   After a while, the agony act gets
very old.

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    > Many other topics span more than one season.
    
    Yeah, like the `What's wrong with SPORTS note' which gets frequented
    about every 6 months!
    
    Hey, now that I think of it, another couple of months and the ol'
    whinin' should start up again, along with an updated note count!  :-)
    
    Hawk

Re: Williams' shoulder.

That's exactly what the Hornets determined. They recommended to Scott
that he get the shoulder cut on and fixed and then come back. Until he
does that, he's one movement away from losing his career. Only comparing
shoulders, Dave Hoppen and a similar but not nearly as bad problem and he
lost 1/2 a season when his went out.

TTom

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               -< How do I join this Dean Smith Secret Society? >-

    
 Which Society do you want to join?

 If it's the Chris Knorr's chapter of Dean Worshipers just repeat

 		Hare Smithnas 
                Hare Smithnas (tm)

 a few hundred times and agree that there is indeed a phenomenon known as
 "EXCELLENT LOSSES".....

 Or if it's the other side then agree with T, myself, TTom, Bob Hunt and 
 countless others that Snuffy Smith is a waste of talent, a self pandering,
 spineless jellyfish with a choke bone in his throat the size of Alaska...

 mike

    Go to a cave and read Dean Smith sonnets...

    > How do I join this Dean Smith Secret Society?
    
    Nothin' to it Glenn.  All you have to do is appreciate the consistent
    excellence that *is* Carolina basketball.  
    
    I might ask one favor though - kindof an initiation right-of-passage. 
    Blast note 403.13 to high heaven.  I've replied to so many similar
    Child-like notes that it's getting kinda boring.  It'll be fun to see 
    how the rookie handles it.
    
    Welcome aboard Glenn!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

>    Nothin' to it Glenn.  All you have to do is appreciate the consistent

Choke at the end of every year with a big asterisk and tip o the hat to
Fred Brown for the pass in 82.

>    excellence that *is* Carolina basketball.  

Please consult earlier discussion of the concept of excellent losses.

TTom

 Child-like but oh so truthful.........

 and for everyone of them I've enter there's been a DeanHo is the greatest
 thing sinced sliced bread note.....

 mike

                               
    Sorry, Chris, I was just joking.  Never much liked Dean or especially
    Carolina.  It's never easy rooting for the overdog, if you know what I
    mean.
    
    Any comments on the brilliance of Dean in developing this Popson kid
    that the Celtics decided to keep?  Or would that be a conflict of
    interest (at least for Dan)?
    
    glenn
    

 Alright Glenn, figured you were too smart to join the Hare Smithnas... ;^)

 If Dean did such a great job developing Popson why did it take him 2 years
 to make the pros? Also given the Celtics' recent history perhaps he was
 kept to keep up the quota? Only saw one preseason game so I can't say if
 he was kept for his talent. Did they do the right thing and AX Smith?

 mike    

    Mike, did you say the Celts axed Michael Smith, last year's #1 pick?
    
    Hawk

    Nah, the Celts kept ol' Mr. Speedy.  CHARLES Smith came up with a
    bum shoulder (yeah, right!) and was put on IR.
    
    Gee ACC_Chris, if you had persuaded Glenn to join your club, you
    woulda had a membership of two!  HAW  HAW!  HAW!  (tm)
    
    NAZZ

    Anybody read the article in this weeks SI (NBA Preview Issue) on Sam
    Perkins?  ("Sam the Man", by Richard Hoffer)
    
    Interesting reading, but I doubt all you Carolina bashers have the
    stomach for this kinda journalistic truth.  (Almost an oxymoron these
    days :^(.)
    
    Now I've said before that Bobby Knight had called Sam the most
    coachable player he's ever had, but in this article Knight calls
    Perkins "one of the finest human beings I've ever been around - the
    ultimate team player".
    
    Now not even I would give 100% of the credit to Sam's college coach
    (his name escapes me at the moment - heh heh!) but in the article
    Perkins is quoted as follows:
    
    "[Coach Smith] had a way of looking after you, knowing what you were
    doing.  And then, he had a way of giving you room to grow, too."
    
    Ex-players giving Dean credit for their development is nothing new of
    course.  In this weeks issue of Carolina Blue Michael Jordan was
    interviewed (the Bulls play an exhibition game each year at the Smith
    Center) and, as usual, he couldn't say enough about Coach Smith.
    
> that Snuffy Smith is a waste of talent, a self pandering,
> spineless jellyfish with a choke bone in his throat the size of Alaska...

>  mike
    
    Now don't you feel just a *little* bit silly, Mike?
    
    
    - ACC Chris

       ...so all of a sudden Bobby Fright is a paragon of troof? Give us a
    break.
                                          Denny

 Not one single bit Chris....With the talent Michael posses I could have
 coached him into a great player as well, same with Perkins. The fact of
 the matter is useless to repeat but 1 gift-handed title with all that
 talent says far more about Dean's ability then the fact that guys with
 god-given talent can....

 and for every Michael Jordan that's been on his roster there's a Jeff Lebo
 to offset it. Jeff never got any better than his freshman year. Same with
 King Lice (tm), Joe Wolf, J.R. etc....

 mike

    But Chris Do you know what coach Michael Jordan said was the best
    coach he's ever played under?
    
    (Hint:  It's not Dean Smith, but it is the man that coached him
     in the Olympics.)
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha................
    
    Of course Carolina Blue probably edited out all the negative comments
    that Michael and Sam had for Mr. Choke.
    
    Cap

> Not one single bit Chris....With the talent Michael posses I could have
> coached him into a great player as well, same with Perkins. 

Yup Mike, sure.  You and Dean.  Heck, you prob-ble coulda done the 
following too:

o Been to 7 Final 4's

o Won an NIT Title (when it meant something), an NCAA Title, and an
  Olympic Gold

o Won 20 games for 20 years

o Been to the Sweet 16 ten years in a row

o Graduated over 95% of your players

o Been elected to the Hall of Fame

o Had an arena named after you ('The Child(ish) Dome'?)

o Run a squeky clean program with no (ZERO) NCAA infractions, despite
  consistent recruiting success

o And on and on and on ...

Yup Mike, you and Dean.  Heck you oughta apply for the job when
he retires.  We could use a guy like you!


> The fact of the matter is useless to repeat but 1 gift-handed title 

A crooked line from a crooked noter.  Gift-handed ... Hah!  The
'82 Carolina team was ranked #1 in the nation for the entire year.  They
rolled through the NCAA tourney before encountering a thoroughly loaded
Georgetown squad.  Saying it was gift-handed discounts Michael's incredibly
clutch jumper, Worthy's tremendous game (and tournament for that matter),
and assumes that if Jimbo hadn't intercepted Brown's pass that Georgetown
would've scored.  Mighty big assumption for a game dominated by defense.


> and for every Michael Jordan that's been on his roster there's a Jeff Lebo
> to offset it. Jeff never got any better than his freshman year. Same with
> King Lice (tm), Joe Wolf, J.R. etc....

Oh yea Mike, lots of reason for embarassment here.  Jeff Lebo is now
coaching at East Tennessee State, Joe Wolf is in the pros (if you can
call the Denver Nuggets "professionals" with their felonious "coach" :^(),
JR is in the pros.  King Rice is considered a disapointment by many,
but can't we agree that's more a result of unrealistic expectations?
He's short (can't teach height) and can't shoot (bad habits learned 
early are literally impossible to break).

Apologize now Mike, or continue to embarass yourself.


- ACC Chris
    

    re: Cap & Denny
    
    Only a fool would argue that Bobby Knight is not a great basketball
    mind.  Listen carefully here:  I've never, EVER said otherwise!
    
    When it comes to pure X's and O's I'm sure Michael is right: Bobby is
    the best.  Probably the best in the world for that matter.  Where
    Knight falls short is in the integrity department (Puerto Rican police,
    LSU fans, chairs, etc., etc.)  
    
    There's no doubt in my mind Michael considers Dean the ultimate coach. 
    When it comes to X's and O's Knight is probably unparalleled.  ('Sept
    for that genius at the helm of the Denver Nuggets.  He's makin'
    everybody else look like idiots compared to his obvious brilliance!
    Haw haw!!!)
    
    
    - ACC Chris

o Been to 7 Final 4's

>> and only won it once. 1-6 ain't much to brag about with the motherload
   of talent he has had at his disposal

o Won an NIT Title (when it meant something), an NCAA Title, and an
  Olympic Gold

>> 3 times in 25 years he actual accomplished something with his talent

o Won 20 games for 20 years

>> would be a decent accomplishment except for many year the rest of the ACC
   was well behind him in talent

o Been to the Sweet 16 ten years in a row

>> inflated by good seedings

o Graduated over 95% of your players

>> fine accomplishment. for this I have no reply...

o Been elected to the Hall of Fame

>> probably bought the voters with drinks and ladies of the evening...

o Had an arena named after you ('The Child(ish) Dome'?)

>> you can fool some of the people all of the time...

o Run a squeky clean program with no (ZERO) NCAA infractions, despite
  consistent recruiting success

>> congrats...

o And on and on and on ...

 With all the talent he has had, if that's all I had accomplished I'd take
 a paycut.....


>A crooked line from a crooked noter.  Gift-handed ... Hah!  The
>'82 Carolina team was ranked #1 in the nation for the entire year.  They
>rolled through the NCAA tourney before encountering a thoroughly loaded
>Georgetown squad.  Saying it was gift-handed discounts Michael's incredibly
>clutch jumper, Worthy's tremendous game (and tournament for that matter),
>and assumes that if Jimbo hadn't intercepted Brown's pass that Georgetown
>would've scored.  Mighty big assumption for a game dominated by defense.

hadn't intercepted? hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
cmon now Chris you're not that blind are you? I'll grant that you that
it is an assumption on my part that Georgetown would have scored but the
weapons were in place and the time on the clock was there for them to
set the wheels in motion without panicing. All they need to do was execute.
Never denied Michael's jumper was clutch or Worthy had a great game.
While we're in a piss and moan mood here do really think that Patrick
committed Goal Tending on all of those first six shoots by UNC?

Of course you do, why do I even bother to ask?


>Oh yea Mike, lots of reason for embarassment here.  Jeff Lebo is now
>coaching at East Tennessee State, Joe Wolf is in the pros (if you can
>call the Denver Nuggets "professionals" with their felonious "coach" :^(),
>JR is in the pros.  King Rice is considered a disapointment by many,
>but can't we agree that's more a result of unrealistic expectations?
>He's short (can't teach height) and can't shoot (bad habits learned 
>early are literally impossible to break).

 The embrassment is that he can't take marginally talent people and make
 them better. No you can't teach height but King Rice is supposed to be
 a point guard extrodinaire, height is not a requirement at the point.
 BRAINS and ball handling skills are, neither of which he has shown.     

 mike

    Did I stumble into the wrong note subject or is this not the 90/91
    BULLS discussion?  Enough of Dean Drivel!
    
    JK

    Good point JK and I heartily agree.  I post an innocent question about
    Scott Williams and the masses start a rat hole.  Jeesh!
    
    
    - ACC Chris
    

    Well, well, well, the rhythm of the seasons is upon us once again ...
    
    Yes, we have cool, crisp, clear autumn evenings, and tons of brilliant,
    multi-colored leaves, along with such delicacies as apple cider,
    pumpkin pie, and a host of other fall treats.
    
    And, yes, it is once again time for that time-honored tradition ...
    
    	A Dean Smith vs Bobby Knight Rathole in OURGNG::SPORTS.
    
    If ever a note should have an automatic NEXT UNSEEN, this one is it.
    
    Thus, we hereby invent 2 brand new VAX Notes command line qualifiers ...
    
    	Notes> SET NOTE /NODEAN /NOKNIGHT
    
    So let it be written, so let it be done ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    
    Bulls lost to the Sixers last night by 8 points. The Bulls sleep walked
    through the first half, being down by 19 points. The Sixers were in
    control the whole game, until about the last four minuted in the fourth
    quarter. The Bulls pulled to within four twice, but the Sixers held
    them off. Charles Barkley had 37 points and 10 rebounds for the Sixers,
    and Michael Jordon scored 34.
    
    Dennis
    
    BTW- Did anyone else get annoyed with the rotating sign boards
    surronding the court? That was the most petty and greedy display that
    I've seen in awhile, overselling the area surronding the court to four
    different vendors.
    

    
    What's up with Dennis Hopson ? Has he screwed up so badly 
    that Jackson already has lost faith in him. Maybe Michael 
    will want his salary money back. :-).

    Thanks,
        
    Scott
    

    Well a not so bullish start this year with the bulls going 0-3 to
    start off the season.  But they come back with 3 wins in a row to
    get back to .500, the week ahead
    
    		Tuesday at Utah
    		Thursday at Golden State
    		Saturday at Seattle
    		and sunday at Portland
    
    All 4 of the teams are at .500 or better and this is the start of a
    7 game road trip.  Could put the bulls behind a little.  Id like to
    see them take at least 4 of the 7 to keep them on track here in the
    early goings of the season.  In december they play 11 home and 3 away
    so if they play at home like they did last year well be all set.
    Little too early to predict anything but I like the Celtics/Bulls
    chances this year (hopefully detroit wont be on a mission this year).
    
    							Mike

	CHICAGO BULLS TELIVISED GAMES
	-----------------------------
Fri, 11/02 TNT	Sixers at Bulls  8
Tue, 11/06 TNT	Celtics at Bulls  8
Fri, 11/23 TNT	Bulls at Clippers  8
Tue, 12/04 TNT	Suns at Bulls  8
Tue, 12/11 TNT	Bulls at Bucks  8
Fri, 12/21 TNT	Lakers Bulls  8
Tue, 12/25 NBC	Pistons at Bulls  3
Fri, 01/18 TNT	Bulls at Hawks  8
Sun, 02/03 NBC	Bulls at Lakers  3:30
Thu, 02/07 TNT	Bulls at Pistons  8
Mon, 02/18 NBC	Bulls at Cavs or Spurs at Jazz  3
Sun, 03/10 NBC	Bulls at Hawks  12
Sun, 03/31 NBC	Bulls at Celtics or Cavs at Sixers  12
Fri, 04/05 TNT	Spurs at Bulls  8
Sun, 04/07 NBC	Sixers at Bulls or Blazers at Mavericks  3
Mon, 04/15 TNT	Bucks at Bulls  8
Sun, 04/21 NBC	Pistons at Bulls or Sixers at Cavs or Mavericks at Spurs
    

    RE: .37
    
    A question from the left coast, are all TV tip-off times shown 
    Eastern time???
    
    JK

    Re: -1
    
    yes, unless specified otherwise.
    
    Mike

    Well this notes file is pretty quite right now, the  boys are at .500
    and play tonight friday and satruday and then get to come home for
    awile.  MJ is averaging 28 pts per game, which I wouldnt mind if they
    were 8-2, Pippen is shotting lowsy from the line and the floor and
    leads the team in fouls and turnovers, this guy has got to calm down
    and play control ball and soon....As soon as pippen wakes up and MJ
    starts hitting around 32-26pts pe game they should start playing .800
    ball.....
    							Michael Air Brooks

    Well here we are again, all the bulls fans sleeping.  The boys in
    Red and Black are at 7-6 and play 13 of there next 16 at home.  I
    see them going 13-3 thru the end of the year and start off the new
    year with a respectable 20-9 record.  Then they can make there run
    towards 1st in the division.  Chicago needs to take the division and
    get home court over Detroit this year if Michael Wants a ring on his
    finger at the end of this season....Not to happy with a 7-6 start or
    that michael is only hitting 28 pts per game.  They need to pick up
    the intensity a few degrees........
    
    1991 World Champion Chicago Bulls
    							Michael Air Brooks

    Last week was a good week for the men in red/black.  Theyve now won
    5 in a row and 7-3 for there last 10 outings.   Michael Jordan avg
    31pts per game last week and hit at .750 this move him into 3rd
    place on the scoring leaders list the leaders at 29.3 michael is at
    28.8  Hes about do for a 45pt night.... On fridays nights win over
    Indiana we was 15-19 and scored 4 pts in less than 2 seconds to close
    out the 1st qtr..... Out of that 5 game streak 3 where away, so for
    the month of December they have 13 games left with only 2 away,
    Milwakee and detroit the 2 teams who now lead them in the Division.
    Should be a good month for the Bulls.....
    
    	Your Weekly Chicago Bulls Update...
    						Michael Air Brooks

    I've seen only a Bull games this year but it seems like Stacy King
    looks like he's carring a lot more wieght this year.  Anyone know if
    thats true?  Whatever the case, he does not seem to look that sharp.  
    
    JK

    King has to take up the slack this year, cartwright doesnt have much
    left in hi old bones....For the most part the games Ive seen king has
    looked ok.  There on a 5game win streak and hes been playing fairly
    well....Dont get good stats on Chicago games here in the Boston area...
    Ive been bying the national and there not as great as I expected either
    
    	Oh well...If I can find the season to date stats Ill post em
    
    								Mike

    If you want Chicago stats, get the Tuesday edition of USA Today.  I get
    it for the Phoenix & Boston stats.  Phoenix's papers are pathetic!
    
    Mike

    The Bulls have been getting alot of slack from the media the last
    week or so about not playing (beating) any top level teams.  While
    last night they proved that wrong the beat Phonix 155-127.  This is
    the second highest point toll by the bulls, there highest without OT.
    They scored 86 pts in the 2nd half and only 6 (yes 6) were MJ's.
    Michael Had 27 pts 5 rebounds and 7 assists (1 block)...He sat down
    sometime in the 4th and there was never a need to bring him back....
    I persoanlly would have like to seen him score in the mid to high 30's
    to bring up his average a little but when you have 7 people in dbl
    figures and 3 more within a basket of dbl figures you can sit down.
    They also hit for around 63% (something like that)....Great Game..
    
    The key players (other than the starters)   King was almost perfect
    hitting 5-6 and 2-2 from the freee throw line for 12pts 2bounds and
    2ast (in limited action) but armstorng had his season high with 17pts
    2reb, 7asst and 2 steals....
    
    The only other note on last night, Milwaukee lost so this put the
    bulls in 3rd place (confrence) 2 1/2 behind detroit (dont know if det
    won or lost last night) and 1/2 game behind philly....Its early in
    the season but by the end of december Id like to see the bulls in the
    top 2 slots in the confreence.....Tough weekend ahead for the bulls
    they play NY and Portland.....(Phoenix,Ny,Portland in the same week)
    
    Untill next week...
    						Michael Air Brooks

    What happened in the 3rd quarter?  I only saw the first half.
    
    Mike

    I dont have the exact stats but basically the bulls scored 40 pts and
    Phonex was held to 23....Chambers was something like 1-9 in the 3rd
    and hornesak (sp) and johnson were shooting around the same.  Not sure
    what they shot exactly in that qtr but i bet it was under 20%...Phoenix
    had the lead at one point in the 3rd qtr...at one point MJ scored got
    fouled made the free throw got a rebound and went end to end for a jam.
    He also make a great one handed catch and slam...Gotta see the
    highlight on this one it was great.....The Bulls at home are one of the
    best, I hope they can keep winning on the road as well....They play DET
    twice this month once there and one at home...Could be the story of the
    season...Hope the can play like theve played the last 4...

    Bulls got a 1/2 a break last night, Utah beat Detroit extending there
    losing streak to 3, this leaves the bulls 1 1/2 out of 1st.  But
    Milwaukee won and that puts them 1/2 game ahead of the bulls.  The
    bulls needed Detroit to lose a few games seeing that they have NY and
    portland this weekend...Im not greedy I hope they can win one of these
    games.  A young teams tends to get over confident after winning a few
    in a row.  Hopefully King/Armstrong/Williams and Levingston can play
    good this weekend if so look for the bulls to extend there win streak
    to 8.
    							Michael Air Brooks
    

    Seeing that this notes file may be going away (Ourgng::sports) I 
    have added an entry to the celtics notes file (AIADM::BOSTON_CELTICS)
    its note 72 and will be the new official chicago bulls notes file...
    
    I havent read anything in here that leads me to believe that this 
    notes file will survieve......

    > I havent read anything in here that leads me to believe that this
    > notes file will survieve......
    
    That's obvious!  :-)
    
    There's been several notes in the lasted 24 hours about ::sports moving
    to CAM, thanks to the Chainsaw making a tremendous one-handed diving
    stab in the end-zone with both feet just barely inbounds scoring the
    go-ahead on the lasted play of the game.  I think, however, they're
    reviewing the play......  :-)
    
    Also, another noter offered the temporary, and possible, use of his
    workstation.  And, of course, Sir Geoffrey Needle has a couple floppies
    lying around.  :-)
    
    Hawk

    I do alot of next note things when I get into a note that has
    entry after entry of nothing so I must have missed it...There
    where a few people in the Celtics note that wanted a bulls
    entry over there anyhow so now there in both places...If this
    notes file survives then it will continue here as well, even 
    though the note seems to be empty this year, Im sure the bandwagon
    jumpers will be back if the Bulls make the playoffs and go any
    where (Which they will)....Thanks for the info on the future of
    sports...