Conference 7.286::sports_90

    A question for you video game phreaks.  Anyone have the SEGA Genesis
    system?  Any sports games?  How do you like it?
    
    In the last version of SPORTS, there was a sports games note which
    included discussions on Nintendo sports games.  Anyway, I'm asking 
    about the SEGA Genesis because I'm considering making a switch from 
    our present Nintendo system to the latest & greatest SEGA Genesis.  
    The problem is, my kids and wife (I hate video games) love Nintendo 
    and I'd hate for them to wish they had it back if I get rid of it.......
    
    What I'm looking for is opinions from people who're familiar with both
    systems and/or people who have the SEGA Genesis.  I'm interested
    in comments about `adventure' games as well as sports games, regardless
    of how much it may overstep the boundaries of SPORTS......  :-)
    
    Thanks,
    Hawk

    Now that you're here, there's a conference at 
    
    MOMAX1::NINTENDO, press kp7 and all that jazz
    
    Mike

    I started this topic about six months ago.  I had one of the greatest
    notes of all time describing a video arcade hoops game called Arch
    Rivals.
    
    Then came that lovely "Network partner lost" message.  I figured it was
    a sign from the SPORTS gods.
    
    Anyway, anyone ever play Arch Rivals?  I'm not a video game freak at
    all, but this one is truely classic.
    
    	--dan'l

    dan'l, a technoweenie once showed me how to recover a note lost when
    the "network partner lost" happens.  Simply, the nexted time you can
    get into the notesfile, type WRITE/LAST if you're creating a brand new
    note or, REPLY/LAST in the note you're replying to.  Somehow, by a Notre
    Dame miracle I believe, your lost text will reappear!            
    
    Anyway, Mike, I did a quick search through the NINTENDO notesfile and I
    didn't see any sort of discussion on the SEGA Genesis system.  I also
    went through the SEGA (MEGA) notesfile, and there's lots of SEGA
    Genesis discussion, but nothing comparing it to the Nintendo.  I did,
    however, write a new note in MEGA similar to my .1 in here.......
    
    Actually, when we did have the video/board game discussion in the last
    version of SPORTS, I got more out of the Nintendo talk than I did from
    the Nintendo notesfile itself!  
    
    Hawk
    
    P.S.  Another reason I'm bringing this up now is that I've seen ads 
    	for the SEGA Genesis that if you buy before 10/31, you get to pick
    	another game for free.  The system's about $150 and the average 
    	game goes for about $50.......

    I've played arch rivals. The dude wif the glasses is da bestest. I like
    the game cuz I get to play the way I play hoop, I.E. puching people.
    
    Anyone out there ever play Cyberball?

    Did you ever play a complete game of Arch Rivals, like $4.00 worth?  It
    gets real crazy at the end.  The crowd starts throwing things on the
    floor that you trip over if you don't run around them.
    
    Once I even got bit by the mascot bulldog on the sidelines.  This is an
    absolute classic. 
    
    	--dan'l

    Or like when the other coach whips you wif a towel. I was
    roooollliinnggg when dat happened.

    
    	Does anyone have any sports games that work on Rainbows?
    
    	If so, please send me mail....
    	
    	Thanx,
    
    	Jeff

Hawk, 

First off, why ditch nintendo for SEGA.  Why not just get SEGA, have
them both, compare them, and put a note in here with the results.
If you do wanna ditch nintendo, I got dibs on buying yer games.....


Debil_Dog,

Just how much did you enjoy it when you got whipped wif da towel?
When are you going overseas?  If you go, you'd better write to us
and tell us what the Saudi Arabian sports teams are like, and if
their gymnasts make everyone as excited as the Soviets do....

Semper Fi, man....


'Saw

   Has anyone ever gotten to the end of the game? Does the coach throw
   chairs?

   My kid borrowed a Nintendo football game from one of his friends called
   Techmobowl.
   He said it's lot's better than Ten Yard Fight.
   I haven't played it, has anybody in here?

   Mike JN

    Actually, since I'm no video phreak, I've never even seen this SEGA
    Genesis, until last night, that is.  I went to a Child World to check
    it out and the really disappointing part was the small number of games
    available.  They had only about a dozen to choose from while the NES
    games numbered well over 50.  Then, there's the price.  SEGA Genesis
    games were well over $50 while NES games averaged $35.  I do understand
    that the SEGA is no comparison to the NES in graphics and sound detail,
    but I'm not so sure I want to ditch the NES just yet........
    
    Still gonna think about it, and wouldn't mind some more replies
    regarding this.......
    
    Hawk

   I would love to see a video or computer football game like this:

   Offense and Defense, either against an opponent or the Computer.
   Ability to call plays on defense for line.. linebackers.. safeties..
   and corners (ie blitzes, drop into coverage, safety blitz, man,
   zone,bump,etc.); also specify five backs or seven backs.

   Ability to call plays on Offense for line (pass block, run block,
   pulling guards,tackle eligible, etc.) receivers (routes and/or blocking
   assignment), backs, and QB with different plays: run off tackle right,
   left, sweep right left, pass (short, deep, fly, post, down and out,
   designate receiver, etc.), end around, draw, quarterback draw, qB
   sneak, flea flicker, etc.

   This would give thousands of options. The computer would have to be
   programmed for % of success/failure for every combination.

   You could take x minutes programming in your defense, while your
   opponent programmed his offense.... then push the button and watch it
   happen.

   I would be willing to pay a few hundred if it was a sophisticated and
   realistic game, with realistic chances on success/failure depending on
   your opponent's strategy.

   Mike JN

    
    My kids had a new one this week based on Olympic events, but I'll be
    dipped if I can remember the name of it.  Pole vault, karate, canoeing,
    and archery are some that I remember.  Some of 'em are a hoot.
    
    Like, in the pole vault the guy appears to miss the pad completely on
    the landing and lands flat on his back on the running track.  When he
    makes it, he jumps up pumping his arms.
    
    Another one that gets me rolling is the judo or tai kwon-whatever,
    where these two guys come out and bow politely in the traditional
    fashion before beating up on each other.  I much prefer boxers who come
    out growling and scowling at each other, instead of two guys who
    curtsey and say "Ah...please to kick out my sh*T."   "Ah, yes..and
    kindly to bash in my brains."
    
    Dickster
    

    Got me rolling too, Dickster.  Is this a Nintendo game?  If so, let me
    know what it's called.  It sounds interesting........
    
    I've pretty much made up my mind concerning the upgrade/investment to a
    SEGA Genesis vs. repairing and keeping our Nintendo, thanks to several
    replies in the SEGA (MEGA) notesfile and a field trip to Child World. 
    The Nintendo stays.  I've come to realize that, given the small number
    of Nintendo games we own now and the amount of time we limit playing
    time for the kids, with the addition of a few more games on their
    Christmas list, there's still plenty of enjoyment left.  No need to
    upgrade now.  The other major factor in my decision is the very limited
    games available for the SEGA Genesis, as opposed to the NES, plus the
    average cost of Genesis games, ~$60 vs. ~$35 for NES.......
    
    Oh, any recommendations for Nintendo hoops games?  My daughter keeps
    mentioning "Jordan vs. Bird" but I just don't keep up with these
    things......  Would it happen to be in black & white?  :-)
    
    Hawk

    
    Since you probably don't have any friends to trade games with, Hawk,
    8^)), a good way to test-drive them is to rent them out of the video
    store for a weekend.  I still hate video games myself, but my kids
    sometimes rent one that is on their "must have" list, and find that
    after a few hours' play it really vaccuums on a grand scale.  Kind of a
    waste to have bought the game first and then find out it wasn't worth
    it.  Like spending a lot of money on a date and getting a handshake.
    
    Dickster
    

    Yeah, we let the kids rent a game on occassion.  Plus, even though i
    have no friends, my kids do and they play different Nintendo games at
    their friends' houses.  So, they wind up knowing exactly what they want
    nexted.........
    
    I'd still appreciate the name of that Olympic game.......
    
    Hawk

    
    I'll see if I can find the name of the game, Hawkster.  I don't think
    it's a Nintendo per se, but one of those mongrels "nintended for play
    on the Intendo system."
    
    Now for something completely irrelavent:  Fox Network has a 2-hour
    Three Stooges anniversary special tonight.  They're more violent than
    any horror movie or hockey game, and as predictable as the Patriots,
    but still funny after all these years.  N'yuk n'yuk n'yuk.
    
    Dickster
    

Dickster....

Is it true you played Curly in all those movies?

Enquiring and all that s__t,
'Saw

    Dickster, 
    
    That special was on over the weekend out here in the Great Northwest.
    Purty funny, soitenly was Yuch yuch yuch
    
    JD
    
    (And one of the stations had a Marx Brothers festival - haw haw
    haw - too funny, expecially the 'tusks are loosa' speach!)

    
    >Is it true you played Curly in all those movies?
    
    Soitenly. A-woo-woo-woo.
    

    My nephew has the Jordan and Bird on NES and it kinda bores me. The
    only thing I like about it is the Slam Dunk contest, other than that I
    don't care for it. The other "TEAM" basketball cartridge is much
    better, I can't recall the name of it right now, but I enjoy it much
    better than the Bird vs Jordan.
    
    Has anyone tried the Bases Loaded II yet?????? I have Bases Loaded and
    play it alot. I may go buy II next week. I was just curious if anyone
    has tried it.
    
                                                      M.J.

    I've had Bases Loaded for about 2 months now and I can't stop playing
    it, It's a great game. I haven't played Baseball Stars yet, but this
    is a great game.
                     Definately go buy it, a must.
    
                                                   Dan
    

>    I've had Bases Loaded for about 2 months now and I can't stop playing
>    it, It's a great game. I haven't played Baseball Stars yet, but this
>    is a great game.
>                     Definately go buy it, a must.
    
I've been debasedly loaded for about 2 months now myself, and I can't
stop it either.  It is great, isn't it?  

    < Note 396.24 by CAM::WAY "Concrete & Steel -- Wanderers tight five" >


>    I've had Bases Loaded for about 2 months now 

    Sounds like the Red Sox.
    
    Mark.

>          <<< Note 396.25 by WAYBAK::LEFEBVRE "Straight, no chaser" >>>
    
    What time did you set the WAYBAK machine too? ;-)
    
    Mike

    5:00, Mr. Peabody.
    
    Mark.

    
    Mark, you still driving that Volvo?
    

    Paul, is Cleveland still chasing a champeenship?
    
    Mark.

    
    No, they're chasing the pats for 1st pick in the draft...

    yeah but does Bird always win ;-)
    
    Mike

    re: Jordan vs. Bird
    
    I rented this for my daughter yesterday, and the part that cracks me up
    is the slam dunk contest.  Now, I can see Jordan and Bird playing
    one-on-one against each other in real life, giving Jordan a slight edge
    (assuming Bird's outside shot is on).  And, I can see them shooting it
    out at the 3-pt. line (edge to Bird).  But, I just cannot see Bird
    giving Jordan any comp at all in the slam dunk contest.  It cracks me
    up just thinking about it.......  :-)
    
    Hawk

But oh great "Beer Hunter", Larry is 6'9" and can dunk despite his dreaded
WMD. With the creative he has shown in his passes he might come up with a 
few spectacular dunk moves...

;^)

gonna be there friday?

and MASS VOTERS DON"T BE FOOLED

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mike

    > MASS voters don't be fooled.......
    
    Vote for WELD as well as YES on #3!
    
    Dunno if I cain make the Bull this friday, Mikey.  I'll have to play it
    by ear.  
    
    BTW, who'll be taping the /Don Drives to the Bull Workout video?  :-)
    
    Hawk

Mike C

Larry Bird is god (tm), and Michael Jordan is his only begotten son.
They should not be forced to compete against each other (though Michael
would make sure Larry won... just out of respect for his father).

PS - whattaya think people should do about question 3?

Mike JN

I agree with Mike JN.   I mean, you wouldn't wanna see God
and Jesus square off against each other (gee, would the winner
play the Holy Ghost?)...

Anyway, the game I always enjoyed was something I played on
a friends PC a few years ago...it was the Bird - DrJ matchup.
That was a fun game.  Don't remember who made it though....


Unfortunately for Mike, Prop 3 was defeated yesterday.....


'Saw

    Yeah, Question 3 was defeated, however, the Republican candidate for
    governor who favored #3 (also known as "CLT", Citizens for Limited
    Taxation) beat the Democrat who strongly opposed CLT and would've
    delayed implementation forever had it passed........
    
    In the immortal words of Lou Duffy, "Hey, I thought you couldn't say
    CL(i)T on the radio!).  :-)
    
    In other election news, So. New Hampshire is sending someone named
    Dick Sweat to Washington to represent them in Congress.  I ain't gonna
    say nuthin' more on this one......   :-)
    
    Hawk

That's Dick Swett. His campaign slogan was "Swett gets results". 

:-)

He beat out Chuck "Foot in my mouth" Douglas.

On the other hand, I see Barney Frank is backfor another term....

daryll

    Not knockin' NH here, Darryl.  It's just the name that gets me. 
    Firsted time I heard `Dick Swett', I was driving to work.  I should've
    pulled over......  :-)
    
    Thank God that Barney Frank is on the "other side" of the state from
    me......
    
    Hawk

Maybe the voters just wanted to keep Frank as far out the state as possible?

leave our boys at home alone let him play with the boys in DC??

;^)

considering the way the voting went yesterday, Frank's victory is no surprise..

mike

       <<< Note 396.43 by 32071::SCHNEIDER "Voted for whatsisname..." >>>
         -< Other than being openly gay, is there a problem w/ Frank? >-

Only if you consider the Gobi (sp) affair indicative of what the 
average congressman should be doing while in office.

daryll
    

>         -< Other than being openly gay, is there a problem w/ Frank? >-
    
    Um, Dan, what's wrong with being openly gay?  Or would you rather have
    them all in the closet...perhaps like 18% of your coworkers.
    
    	--dan'l

    
    > In other election news, So. New Hampshire is sending someone named
    > Dick Sweat to Washington to represent them in Congress.  I ain't gonna
    > say nuthin' more on this one......   :-)
    
    Hey, that's my Congressman you're makin' fun of, Bub!  First Democrat
    to represent the district since 1912.  I don't care what his name
    sounds like, we'll take it...
    
    glenn
    

    >Um, Dan, what's wrong with being openly gay?  Or would you rather have
    >them all in the closet...perhaps like 18% of your coworkers.
    
    dan'l, I phrased the question wrong.  I meant to indicate that I would
    have voted for Frank because I think he has an excellent voting record
    in Congress.  I voted for him when I lived in his district, and have
    no problems with the sensationalism which gets the Jesse Helms of the
    world frothing at the mouth.
    
    Dan

One doesn't have to be a "Jesse Helms'" of the world to 
disapprove of behavior which is no only considered immoral, but 
is also illegal.

And I have no problem with Mr. Franks sexual preference.

If he was involved with a female prostitute, in most cases he'd 
be run out on a rail, with the possible exception of THAT 
district.

daryll

    Bingo!

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>One doesn't have to be a "Jesse Helms'" of the world to 
>disapprove of behavior which is no only considered immoral, but 
>is also illegal.

    But one does have to be a "Jesse Helms" of the world to force your own
    morals on another.  We all participate in activities that some consider
    immoral.  And that behavior is only immoral in some states, and if it
    was ever enforced and brought to the US Supreme Court, would get thrown
    out in a second.
    
>If he was involved with a female prostitute, in most cases he'd 
>be run out on a rail, with the possible exception of THAT 
>district.

    That's probably not true.  Albert Gore is still in office.

Bruce,

Fact: Prostitution is illegal in Washington D.C.

You'd be hard pressed to convince most that the Supreme Court 
would overturn that.

While Gore should have been gone too, you'll find he's the 
exception.

My final word on the subject.

daryll

    So despite Frank's excellent voting record, you would impose your moral
    will on him because of his sexual practices?  Aren't you the least bit
    concerned with how he's doing his job?  He admitted to consorting with
    a prostitute and was censored for it.  I guess that's a scarlet letter
    except if a Conservative does it...
    
    Dan

                           
    Frank was not censured.  He received the the next harshest penalty,
    allowing him to retain his committee positions.
    
    While perhaps Frank's offenses were enough for voters to turn him out,
    the contention that were he not homosexual he would have been thrown
    out of Congress is simply not true, in spite of such protests from the
    likes of Newt Gingrich.  Sex scandals of both persuasions have been 
    going on for years in Congress.  Ol' Buzz Lukens only just was finally 
    forced to resign a couple of weeks ago for an absolute-last-straw sexual
    harassment incident after a storied history of such offenses, including 
    relations with a minor.  While Lukens had already lost his seat in his 
    state's primary, there was little uproar or reporting of this sad
    conclusion to his story.  
    
    glenn
    

>    				     Ol' Buzz Lukens only just was finally 
>    forced to resign a couple of weeks ago for an absolute-last-straw sexual
>    harassment incident after a storied history of such offenses, including 
>    relations with a minor.  While Lukens had already lost his seat in his 
>    state's primary, there was little uproar or reporting of this sad
>    conclusion to his story.  
    
     Maybe not where you are, but it got quite a bit of news time here in
     Atlanta, for a few days at least.

    Is this all available on Nintendo?  What's the name of the game?
    Would it make a good Christmas gift for my kids?  Is it 2 players, or
    1?
    
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Hawk

>   <<< Note 396.49 by 17576::DODA "Horseshoes, handgrenades, A's Dynasty?" >>>
>
>One doesn't have to be a "Jesse Helms'" of the world to 
>disapprove of behavior which is no only considered immoral, but 
>is also illegal.
    
>And I have no problem with Mr. Franks sexual preference.
    
    I'm not sure I understand, daryll.  Your two statements seem
    contradictory.  I prefer your latter statement.
    
    But FYI, there are many states in this nation where "illegal" things
    also include what you, me, and every other heterosexual perform with
    the opposite sex all the time...unless you're celebate or unlucky.
    
    How would you feel if the sex police caught you and arrested you for
    enjoying an illegal position?  Recently, two gay men were arrested in
    Cincinnati (surprise) for holding hands in a parked car at night.
    
    	--dan'l

    Can we get back to the topic, please.

    Hawk, you crack me up! ;-)
    
>                  -< How very sad how you make your choices >-
>    So despite Frank's excellent voting record, you would impose your moral
>    will on him because of his sexual practices?  Aren't you the least bit
>    concerned with how he's doing his job?  He admitted to consorting with
    
    It is truly sad when people start accepting immoral acts and fully 
    support the actors just because they cast a couple votes in their
    direction!  Let's all hire child-molesting-mathmematicians to teach our 
    children!  After all, they do a great job of explaining algebra!
    
    Mike

    >It is truly sad when people start accepting immoral acts and fully 
    >support the actors just because they cast a couple votes in their
    >direction!
    
    What are immoral acts, Mike?  Are you the decision maker, or am I?
    
    >Let's all hire child-molesting-mathmematicians to teach our 
    >children! 
    
    No one's mentioned child-molesting.  Can a gay male be a teacher of
    mathematics in your view?
    
    Dan

    Dan,
    
    I guess that unless folks are just like Mike H., and believe what
    he does, they are just plain no good, or even, 'gasp', immoral...
    
    Geez.
    
    JD

The Moral majority is neither....


Metz

    Whoa! Some very interesting Sports Games being discussed here!

Maybe we can separate the note into:

Sports Games: Video
Sports Games: Moral
Sports Games: Immoral
Sports Games: Political
Sports Games: Kinky
Sports Games: Mind Altering
Sports Games: Using Your Favorite Animal
Sports Games: For Fun And Profit
Sports Games: With Gensu Knives
Sports Games: You Can Play Alone

Then we should probably establish a 
Sports Games: Oversight Committee

We can break the Oversight Committee up into:
	Office of the Inquisition
	Office for Silly Walks
	Office of Intolerance
	Office for Jerking Knees
	Office of the Moral High Ground
	Office for Creative Book Burning
	Office of Racial Tension
	Office for Elitist Crap

ETC.

Could be fun!!
Mike JN

I would submit that Sports Games You Play Alone are probably
major contributors to Onanesque practices, and thus entirely
responsible for the low scores our youths are getting
on the EYE tests.

I think we should support more games like that cute little one
with Mario and Luigi, where they knock off those 'shrooms.....


JMHO,
'Saw


PS  If you want my real honest opinion, I think we all take ourselves
    way too seriously....

>    What are immoral acts, Mike?  Are you the decision maker, or am I?
    
    Neither of us.  
    
>    No one's mentioned child-molesting.  Can a gay male be a teacher of
>    mathematics in your view?
    
    He can teach anything he wants to.
    
>    I guess that unless folks are just like Mike H., and believe what
>    he does, they are just plain no good, or even, 'gasp', immoral...
    
    JD, hardly an informed reply since you don't know me.  Maybe you should
    ask before accusing.  Where did I say someone was "no good"?
    
    Mike

    Mike,
    
    I put in one note that I deleted after I entered it - some folks
    read it before I deleted it.    I won't comment anymore - this is
    not the forum for religious beliefs.  I have mine, you obviously
    have yours.  Leave it at that.  
    
    JD

    >Neither of us.  
    
    Then who decides what are immoral acts for everyone?
    
    >He can teach anything he wants to.
    
    Can a gay male teach mathematics to children?
    
    Dan

>    not the forum for religious beliefs.  I have mine, you obviously
    
    ...but it's a forum for gay rights?  gimme a break!

 >   Then who decides what are immoral acts for everyone?
    
    God.
    
>    Can a gay male teach mathematics to children?
    
    He can, but not to my kids.  They're way too young to be exposed to
    that.
    
    Mike

    I can accept both answers but think the second is discriminatory and
    wrong-headed.  Neither answer is good enough for me.
    
    Dan

    College level teachers and possibly high school level is a different
    story.  I won't subject my young children to something they won't
    understand.
    
    Mike

>    Regarding your last statement - would it be okay for your kids to
>    be taught by a god-fearing heterosexual who perhaps whacked his
>    wife and kids around some at home?  Practiced illegal and immoral
>    acts with his wife? (Many sexual acts are illegal, even among the
>    married..)  How bout a heterosexual who's a pedophile?   Just because
    
    Do you really believe that I would condone this as well?
    
>    And since we can't stay away from religion - isn't it God's word
>    that one should love thy neighbor as you would love thyself?  
    
    true, but we don't love their actions.  
    
    
    > Isn't labeling people (such as liberals as 'blind') directly contradictory
>    to the teaching of Jesus Christ?  
    
    There's a fine line between judging and constructive criticism.  We're
    called to do it "out of love" but, being human, it's tough to do when
    provoked.
    
    Mike

>    College level teachers and possibly high school level is a different
>    story.  I won't subject my young children to something they won't
>    understand.
 
Forgive my jumping in on this conversation late but...  I fail to see what
someone's sexual preferences have to do with their ability to, say, teach
math.  I doubt they would be spicing their algebra lessons up with homosexual
innuendos.

Karen

C'mon gang.  Let's just get back to the topic.....

The problem here is that everyone thinks there view is right and
wants everyone else to see it and believe it just like they
do.  Bottom line, it don't work that way.


Anybody read the article in last week's SI on PGA Golf for the PC.
Seems like quite a package....

'Saw

 
Anyone remember the Atari football arcade game from back in the 
last '70's? It was a table top 2 player stand up model. You'd get 
2 minutes for a quarter and the offense would have 4 plays, down 
and out, sweep, bomb, and keeper. The defense had to guess which 
play the offense would call. You'd control one player on defense 
and on offense you'd control the QB and the reciver after a 
catch with a trac ball.

We used to go in and pump in a couple of bucks a piece and play 
for 20 minutes.

Recently picked one up for the game room at home.

You can really work up a sweat...

daryll

The problem with most video games is, after you figure out how to work
it, it's not fun anymore. I understand homosexual math teachers even
experience this problem.

Usually, there's a few `trade secrets'  to pick up, and then you have
mastered it.

I'm still waiting for the ultimate football video game I discribed in an
earlier note... and you'd think God, in Her wisdom, would get busy and
help with this noble project.

St. Mike JN (retired)

    My wife has survived the Wang lay-offs, so far, and they have rewarded
    her with her very own newly remanufactured IBM compatible PC for home
    use so they can get an additional hours out of her without pay........
    Anyone have any games that I can have copies of, such as that PGA(?)
    golf game that's supposed to be the filberts?  Another IBM PC game I've
    seen that I'd like to have a copy of is the chess game where the pieces
    actually fight it out to the death.
    
    Let me know if you have any of these, and more.  Thanks!
    
    Hawk

    Of course, the games that we're copying are public domain, no?
    
    Mark.

    No different than taping a cd in your collection for use on someone 
    else's deck, right?  :-)
    
    Hawk.

    Re: -1
    
    That's illegal too! ;-)  You're taking revenue away from a hard working
    artist ;-)
    
    Mike

    < Note 396.82 by 15558::SZABO "The Beer Hunter" >
                            -< C'mon, lighten up! >-

>    No different than taping a cd in your collection for use on someone 
>    else's deck, right?  :-)

    Big difference.  This is legal.  Copying software ain't.
    
    Mark.

    You might want to try CSCMAS::IBMPC for a *TON* of information on PC
    software.   You're bound to find some cheap or free games in there.
    
    Bob Hunt

    I have the 1985 version of NFL Challenge for hte PC.  Great game.
    There's even a way to update the rosters, but I'm not technoweenie
    enough to do it.   This game can legally be copied (says so right
    in the instruction manual.  My PC clone is older, so it uses 5 and
    a quarter floppies, not the mini ones.  Hawkster, let me know...
    
    JD
    
    (Heck in 85, the Pats were decent...)

    Clearly, I am mistaken.  I didn't realize that taping a cd is ok.
    
    Nevermind about software copies then.  I've *never* done anything
    illegal in my life, and I'm not about to start now......  :-)
    
    Thanks, Bob, for the info.  Good note, as usual!  :-)
    
    Hawk

� Clearly, I am mistaken.  I didn't realize that taping a cd is ok.
    
    I don't think it is.  I believe it is OK for you to record an album for
    your own use (such as playing it in the car or on a walkman), but you
    can't tape someone else's album and play it at home.  Thus one reason
    for the push to restrict DAT machines.
    
    But I digress, this is probably best discussed in COOKIE::CD.
    
    P.S.  Most conferences don't allow even the suggestion of copying
    things for fear of getting DEC involved in copyright infringement
    stuff.  We might be better off staying on the safe side of that as
    well.

>    Clearly, I am mistaken.  I didn't realize that taping a cd is ok.
    
    Only for your own use.  For someone else, as you said, it is illegal.
    
    Mike

    
    >    My wife has survived the Wang lay-offs, so far
    
    Hawk, you going celibate on us??
    
    (I can't believe nobody jumped on a statement just *begging* for some
    cheap wise-ass remark.  Maybe it's just me and Hawk that would have,
    and he can't because he's the author.)
    
    Dickster
    

   � I can't believe nobody jumped on a statement just *begging* for some
   � cheap wise-ass remark.  
    
    Maybe we were just all waiting for the professionals to show up.  I
    mean, when we think of Dick jokes, we think of Dickster, right ???
    
    I can't believe that nobody jumped on a statement just *begging* for
    some cheap wise-ass remark.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Dickster, I think people are still mellowing from the heated debates in
    here lately...  And, don't worry about my wanger, it still gets a
    healthy workout now and then, mostly then!  :-)
    
    Is Wang a 1 or 2 player game?  Is it IBM PC compatible?  :-)
    
    Hawk

    < Note 396.92 by 15558::SZABO "The Beer Hunter" >


>    here lately...  And, don't worry about my wanger, it still gets a
>    healthy workout now and then, mostly then!  :-)

    I cain't believe no one touched this one.
    
    Mark.

    
    Hawk, what's the cheapest method of male birth control?
    
    Just put a pebble in your shoe.  It makes you limp.
    
    Ba-dum-bump.
    

    Hawk, we'll believe anything in relation to "now" instead of "then"
    since PMS rules your household ;-)
    
    Mike

    There's plenty of companies that offer "Freeware" software, including
    games for the IBM-compatible family.  I just got another catalog from
    Reasonable Solutions that I can give you Hawk.  Among it's games, I
    noticed a football game which was well promoted.  You get a number of
    games on each disk, and they go for about 4 bucks a pop.
    
    Dan

    rep.78
     That was a fun game to play, there was a few of us guys that played
    thing faithfully every weekend. Where I lived the game room it was in
    had a playoff on this thing, it was like $5.00 to enter and it was
    double elimination. Your right, you did work up a good sweat playing
    that game. My parents always gave me a "Yea-right" look when I would come
    home sweaty and I would tell them that I have been at the arcade.
    
                                                        M.J.                    

    >>   I cain't believe no one touched this one.
    >>
    >>   Mark.
    
    
    Not even with your barge pole, my friend!!!
    
    PJ

    
    Finally got the name of that track and field game Hawk.  It's called
    (surprise!) "Track and Field II".  Now I'll go way out on a limb and
    say there's probably a "Track and Field I" out there, too.
    
    It's not a Nintendo, but something like Konami that is used on the
    Nintendo system.
    
    HTH
    
    Dickster
    

    Thanks, Dickster!
    
    Thanks, Dan!
    
    Thanks, everyone!
    
    Oh what a beautiful morning!  Oh what a beautiful day!  Blah blah
    blah blah blah blah blah, blah!  Everything's going my way!
    
    Hwak

    Hawk,
    
    There _IS_ such a thing as public domain software, and some of it is
    QUITE good...  CSCMAS does have tons of stuff, but an even easier way
    (if you are sans modem, or don't dig the data compression stuff on
    CSCMAS), is to visit your local software store...  one in particular
    that I just can't remember the name of (it has over 1000 completely
    free software programs) is great... damn...  one of 'em is right on Rt.
    9 in Natick, and another on Rt. 1 in Westwood...  I'm sure somebody
    will know it, or I will think of it...
    
    Anyway, this place - wait a minute - something Tech...  Ah, Unitech,
    that's it!  Unitech has an awesome chess game that is 3D, and will play
    two people, one on computer (and it is really good, too), or computer
    v. computer - which I think is what you were referring to some notes
    back...   Unitech calls this game "EGACHESS", and its so good I went to
    the trouble of uploading it on CSCMAS, so its there too...  
    
    As far as the golf game goes, I have a great one called "Mean 18" - but
    that isn't shareware  - oh, but the way, what you are supposed to do,
    if you really like a game, is send money to the author - and, call me a
    sap, but actually did for this chess game...
    
    Good luck!
    
    ML