Conference 7.286::sports_90

     My inductees into the Academy :
    
         1) The Petronelli Brothers, Marvin carried them for years.
         2) Dean Smith, the one championship he won he was lucky to
            win.
         3) Joe Montana, he's good,real good but with that system and
            those weapons there are a few QB's that'd do just as well.
         4) The Curse of the Bambino, the seeming limit on the number
            of blacks and hispanics you can have on the team seems to
            be a more realistic explanation of the Sox' postseason woes.
         5) Rocky Marciano, the average age of his opponents was 34.
             
     

    1. Wayne Gretski,Edmonton did just fine without him.
    
    2. Larry Bird,he had his hay day,good trade bait.
    
    3. Roger Clemans,his career is coming to an end!!!!
    
    4. Jose Cansanco,he is a disgrace to the sport.
    
    
                              "My own opions"
    
                                  JRC

    ha.. 0-4  on those last picks..
    

    MrT - A lot of wind, no substance.
    George Bush - Leaders take action - Bush REACTS.
    K.C. Chiefs - NO passing offense
    Red Auerbach - He smart to retire as a coach before BIll Russell left.
    Any other coach with Russell would have been hailed a genius.
    Saddam Hussein - The US supplied him with arms during the Iran/Iraq
    war, now I'm supposed to believe that he's the 2nd coming of Hitler ?
    Micheal Jordan - Take away his 45" vertical leap, quickness, and
    outside shot, and you have an average player.
    
    Hope this helps ....

    Randall Cunningham of the Beagles
    John Elway
    
    More later,
    
    John "D Cowboys" R.

    Pat Riley - He smart to retire as a coach before Magic Johnson left.
    Any other coach with Magic would have been hailed a genius.
    
    Hope this helps ....

				/Don

    Randall Cunningham - lots of hype, lots of hype, average at best
    Ellis Burks - 'Potential' MVP
    Larry Bird - the Great White Hope
    Mario LeMeiux - a basket hanger
    Doug Flutie - a midget flahs-in-the-pan
    John Elway - still hasn't learned the soft touch
    Mike Ditka - I coulda won in 85 with that defense
    Mike SIngletary - yeah, so he has bug eyes
    Cam Neely - a goon in a tux
    Mike Greenwell - a stiff
    San Diego Padres - always play great when the season is over
    George Bell - ho hums his way through the season
    Todd Manovich - a tall Doug Flutie
    
    and many more
    
    JD

>    Red Auerbach - He smart to retire as a coach before BIll Russell left.
>   Any other coach with Russell would have been hailed a genius.
 

 Wilt Chamberlain- Doc's above comment says it all.....

mike

;^)

>>                       <<< Note 365.2 by AIMHI::CONNOR >>>
>>                           -< My 2 cents worth!!!! >-

>>    1. Wayne Gretski,Edmonton did just fine without him.
    
>>                              "My own opions"
    
  
  Hi there JRC,

1.  The man's name is Gretsky.  I'll bet my 67 year old mother can spell it.
2.  That is the biggest bunch of garbage I have ever read in this 
    conference, which is quite an accomplishment considering some of the 
    contributions.
3.  Have fun, but give yourself a break and take hockey off your list.
    You obviously wouldn't know a puck if it hit you in the haid.

rick ellis

    KC?
    
         Hahaha.  You're joking, right?  
    
         395 yards/2 TDs last week.  Two TDs the week before.  No INTS 
    all year.  2nd best QB rating in NFL - despite playing two of the
    league's best defenses.  Solid offensive line.  Good possession
    receivers all around.  Hey, I'd take Montana/Rice/Taylor but I think
    "NO passing game" is pushing it a little.
    
         Excellent D.  Okoye.  Good kicking game.  Overrated, my butt.  

    RE: .9
    
    
    Try again Rick!  The name is Gretzky!
                                     ^
    
    Better luck nexted time.

    YA!!!!
    
      Keep trying Rick and this time take the puck out of your mouth!!!
    
    
                                         JRC
     

    Notre Dame - Sanctimonius, self-righteous, and a few other nasty
    adjectives come to mind.
    
    John Elway - Of course, people are starting to figure that out, so he
    might get bumped off this list in the future.
    Bob Cousy - Boston didn't win a thang before he left, and kept winning
    after he retired.
    Johnny Most - A bad joke with a bad voice.
    Tony Rice - Oh, that was lasted year ....
    Hockey - Tag-team wrasslin on skates. The real Ice Follies
    Kelly Bundy - Not nearly as fine as some men make her out to be. If she
    wasn't seen as being easy to get, nobody would be knocking on the door.
    Slasher Don - 2-line replys does not make a noter ... :-)

University of Houston - Made a name by running up scores on the likes
			of Perkins School for the Deaf and Busty Heart
			School of Creative Dance.

Warren Moon - A bust without Genius Glanville.

Magic Johnson - Kareem leaves and so does the dynasty.

Chic Hearns - Best basketball announcer in the business?  HA!
	      Best at smooching scribes' fannies so's they call him that.

Doc Midnight - Quantity noting cannot take the place of quality noting.

				/8^)

    Frank Way justed told me dat Phil Simms and da other Giants are vastly
    overrated. He said 6-8 would be a great year. Honest he did.
    
    Princess Thomas (the real one, not Glen Johnson) - What a waste of
    potential. 
    
    Doc Midnight/Mr.T discussions - both blow hot air and never really make
    a point. T. is funnier 'tho.
    
    Elle Mcpherson - take away her face, chest, hind-quarters, and legs,
    and whaddya got. 
    
    Agassi - actually the book is still out on him.
    
    The Cosbys - America's sappiest family. 

    Dean ('Snuff!)      A must-have for your Extremely Overrated Sports
    Smif                Heros collection.  A basic building block included
    			for free in EOS starter kits sold in your better toy 
    			and/or sporting goods stores nationwide.
    
    NOT Author of .2 	*Sure* he went 0-4 and looked bad doing it, but 
    			who sez he was highly touted in the first place?
       
    Cunningham		The Great Black (QB) Hope.  Cain we ever forget
    			that reverential SI cover story issue from last
    			year's preseason?  Hang onto this collector's item
    			to be.
    
    Mike HellTeeth	Clank !!
    
    Worn Moon (tm)	Everybody loves a good joke and Worn is that.
    
    Dr. Midnight	Your would-be hell-raiser who becomes tentative,
    			apologetic, and defensive when challenged (which
    			is often).
    
    			Also, recently disgraced himself by failing to 
    			account for the FACK that DeBerg passed Chiefs
    			back into game against last year's best D after
    			giving up on Okoye.  Cheep imitation MrT.
    
   "coach" John		College hoops post-modern Dean Smith.  Has had
    Stompshim           huge talent advantage last several years and little
    			to show for it except passionate proclamations for
    			lowered educational standards.  Acclaimed for 
    			negotiationg unilateral agreement in disco with
    			crack dealer kingpin.  Taught Alonzo Mourning how
    			to sneer like he does and somehow got him to shrink
    			from 7-0 to 6-9 after all those ignominious tourney
    			losses.
    
    			Tied with "coach" Steve Fisher of Michigan in you-
    			know-what category.
    
   James Worthy		Sad.  So very very sad.  Nice spin move, though.  
    
   Dan Schneider	All bluster and hollow self-declared victories
    			and no factual or logical substance.  Stomped into
    			submission on his own terms by glenn waugamann in
    			Baseball Notes, hasn't been the same since.
    
   Mark McGwire		When Gorman Thomas was around nobody talked about
    			*him* being the best.  Classic example of MrT's
    			special Gilt By Association category.  Sends chills
    			up informed baseball men's spines to realize that
    			in next year or two will start at 1B in All-Star
    			game while batting under .200.  Brrr !!
    
    			And no I didn't deduct for the pock marks on his
    			face.
    
    Bo Schembechler	An embarrassment to the Big10.  I apologize to all
    			of you publicly.
    
    Fawn Hall		A liar, a traitor, a climber, and bucktoothed slut.
    			She destroyed the myth about all the beautiful women
                        in the District.
    
    MrT			No, that's my signature in its normal place, I am 
    			NOT overrated, although certain anti-MrT elements
    			would have you believe that I am.   

>    MrT		No, that's my signature in its normal place, I am 
>    			NOT overrated, although certain anti-MrT elements
>    			would have you believe that I am.   

     An objective analysis of this statement would validate it.  Most sectors
     of the country have T rated very lowly (except for one small outpost in
     the midwest that we are currently trying to trace).

    There is no one more overrated in sports than Wade Boggs.
    
    Underrated Dan
    
    

    MrT 	An overblown windbag of a noter. He managed to become what
    		I call the Bill Martin Hybrid. Not only is T a born liar,
    		but he's also a (SPORTS) convicted one as well.
    
    Joe Namath	More career INTs than TDs. If he played in Buffalo or
    		Kansas City, he'd be recognized as the overhyped stiff he
    		really was. John Elway's spiritual father.
    
    J-Hernandez	My fault. I confused his jealousy of me with being highly 
    		rated. Ooops ! :-)
    
    Pat Riley's Hair Dresser - Any fool can do the same thing to their hair 
    		with a few quarts of Castrol 20-50W oil.
    
    Bobby "Fright" Knight - A whining, tempetous embarrassment to all of
    		college basketball, and to the basic tenats of good
    		sportsmanship. When he isn't tossing cheep (tm) furnature
    		across floors, he is showing Russia and P.Rico the worse
    		of the "Ugly American". Moreover, his obnioxousness
    		reduces his ability to recruit quality talent, since most 
    		sane, upstanding young men will not subject themselves to
    		his boorish abuse. This has of course caused Fright Knight
    		to dredge up Juco players, and deliver wristslaps whenever
    		one of them lights up a joint.
    
    Bernie Kosar A prissy, girlie-mon of a QB. His marginal athletic skills 
    		are more than offset by his effemine manner, his egg-shell
    		fragility, and hsi Deep Throat chokes in big games.
    
    Jihad Fans 	A weak-spined bunch who rather dish it out than take it ... 

 Doc, retract that last one babe! The Jihad fans in here have been taking it
 on the chin for three years now and haven't gone anywhere.....Maybe over
 in the Celtics' note that might be appropriate but not in here. That's
 probably the main reason I don't bother with that file.....

 Dan couldn't agree more about ole Boggs but I'd call him 1 and Elway 1a...

mike

    Rolly, if I ain't rated highly then why was I voted NoTY 1989?  
    Maybe you should check the established factual record prior to
    taking a main of my mettle on.  You're just sore about my manly
    criticisms of that fake yellow artist Bill France, Jr.
    
    And Doc, Bob Knight is overrated?  Results is where-it-is-at, buddy,
    and the main has wins The Big Game at a rate of once every 6 years
    or so, which puts him behind only Wooden and not by that much, and
    unlike that other Hoosier Bob never bought anybody any cars or made
    any brown bag cash payments.  Cain't argue with results, so shaddap
    willya.
    
    Bravo to the citations of these overrated ones:
    
    Joe Namath		Gag me with a myth!
    
    Mark McGwire	Well spoken.
    
    U. Houston		Cheating pays.
    
    A major oversight on my part for not having put this guy near the
    top of the list (i.e., just beneath the untoppable Dean Smif):
    
    Sugar Rim (tm)	Playing paddy-cake and pussy-footing around made
    			for gripping drama in Who Framed Roger Rabbit, 
    			but here's a guy who donned smoked contact lenses
    			to garner sympathy, has retired more than he's 
    			fought, established himself as the worst announcer
    			in the history of sport (and that includes Phil-the-
                        Shill Rizzuto), and paid off more officials than
    			a Central American pimp.
    
    Vin Scully		Stick to golf, O pompous one, baseball's too big
    			for you.  You made even Joe Garigiola look good by
    			comparison, insulted the nation when you stole Tony
    			Kubek's job, and if you theatrically intone  after
    			a_error "ooh, the *best* laid plans of mice and 
    			men..." one more time I swear I'll board the next
    			airplane to wherever you're broadcasting from and
    			hunt you down like a_animal.
    
    MrT 

    >dredge up Juco players, and deliver wristsslaps whenever one of them
    >lights up a joint.
    
    Midnight, have you caught that dread disease Danosis?  The horrible
    affliction where Reality goes into the brain via the eyes and ears
    and becomes fallacious-fib-fodder upon exiting the stubby fingertips?
    Vulgar.
    
    None of Bob's Jucos ever got into any drug trouble.  Unfact #1.  Beyond
    that, how is it "dredging" to bring in players who went Juco for lack
    of raw talent and all of whom were fully qualified college applicants
    upon H.S. graduation?  Unfact #2.  Bob's never wristslapped anybody,
    see Dean Smif or "coach" John Stompshim for wristslapped stars.  Bob, 
    in fact, yanked the scholarship of his only star despite the fact that
    he was eligible cuz he was sore about the pot, and the overdue library
    books, and the cutting classes.  The kid paid his way back.  'Course,
    Danosis lied and false claimed that he never missed a game, but Reality
    instructed that particular Danosis victim that Jay indeed missed almost
    the entire nonconference schedule.
    
    Shame on you (if you were capable of feeling that particular emotion).
    
    More overrated:
    
    Herschel Walker	Apparently a better poet than a running back.  This
    			guy needs to run 75 times a game in order to be 
    			effective.  Gets a lotta press, but ain't even a 
    			top 10 NFL back.  Cain't, won't, block.  Hasn't broken
    			broken a tackle since grade school ball.  Confronted
                        with prospective tacklers will start taking chicken
    			steps and slowing.  When touched will lean forward
    			and fall toward ground slowly so as to assist tackler
                        and guard against pain or injury.
    
    MrT			No, I am NOT overrated, this is the normal place for
                        my signature.

Overrated:

	Rosanne:   lousy show, lousy actress, stupid kids. A+ for the husband
                   though....

	Wendys:    to much grease not enough beef...

	Cape COD:  traffic jams dirty beaches and yuppies...

	Dana Delaney: nice face but where's the body?

	Arsenio Hall:  Get busy on this will ya Pal! Great guests though...

	Cheers:		funny but always the obvious....

        
mike

   Roger `I can park a semi in my strike zone' Clemens

   Hulk Hogan

   Peewee Herman

   Clemson

   Orel Hershiser

   Roger Craig

   Clarence Kay

>    Rolly, if I ain't rated highly then why was I voted NoTY 1989?  
>    Maybe you should check the established factual record prior to
>    taking a main of my mettle on.  You're just sore about my manly
>    criticisms of that fake yellow artist Bill France, Jr.
    
     Maybe you were, but I can't remember where and when the voting
     took place, and didn't realize you had been voted NoTY 1989 ?
     I'll retract my statement when I find the balloting.  Could you
     help me, please, Sir T ?  I've been looking for that vote, in
     order to store away in my personal treasury of great moments in
     DEC history.

     I have no objection about your criticisms of "that fake yellow
     artist Bill France, Jr."  Blast away.

    
    Movies with subtitles:  I haven't seen one yet that I'd care to
                            see again.  Generally, if Siskel calls it
                            an excellent "film", it stinks.  If Roger
                            Hebert calls it a "good movie", it is.
    
    
    Dickster
    

tweren't no voting for 1989 NOTY.

T is just assuming the title.

Last legitimate elected NOTY was myself in 1988....


Metz

    >Could you help me please, SirT?
    
    Cain't.  Soon after the Hendry/MrT ticket won somebody corrupted
    the file and we rebooted.  
    
    >great moment in DEC history...
    
    Is that sarcasm I detect?  Does this mean that I didn't get your
    vote?
    
    MrT

>tweren't no voting for 1989 NOTY.

>T is just assuming the title.

>Last legitimate elected NOTY was myself in 1988....


 I guess we might then calling him Self-appointed Noter of the Year.

>    Movies with subtitles:  I haven't seen one yet that I'd care to
>                            see again.  Generally, if Siskel calls it
>                            an excellent "film", it stinks.  If Roger
>                            Hebert calls it a "good movie", it is.
>    

Dickster, you should have seen Das Boot when it originally came
out.  It starred Jurgen Prochnow as the captain of a German U-Boat
in WWII, and was in German, with english subtitles.

Having seen the original German version with subtitles, and the
Home Video version called The Boat and dubbed, I prefer the
original.   Personally, I think the guy who dubbed for
some of the characters was Pee Wee Herman.  I think, but am not
sure, that Prochnow dubbed both, since he is fluent in both 
languages...


'Saw

    >tweren't no voting for 1989 NOTY.
    
    The hail there wasn't.  If you'll remember hundreds of votes were
    cast and just prior to the polls closing the note was abruptly
    write-locked.  And what credibility could the man who bought the 1989
    NoTY crown for a six-pack of beer possibly have?
    
    More overrated:
    
    UVA gridiron team		Did they really mean #10 in the nation or
    				on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the weakest
                                UVA's schedule strength rated a 10?
    
    Clemson gridiron team	No explanation required here.
    
    Minnesota Vikings		Good yes, great?, no.  Weak right side to
    				OL and even their All-Pro OL on the left side
                                aren't great run blockers.  No great runner.
                                Inconsistent QB.  Daststicks hungry DL tends
                                to sacrifice penalties and run yardage in
    				order to see which individual cain get the 
    				most sacks.  Corners cain be beat.  Punter
    				is a question mark but has potential.  Poor
    				game plans and critical play calling still
    				a bane.  History of choking big plays and/or
                                big games.
    
    MrT				No.

Overrated Stuff:


	Baseball:  	Bunch of sissy marys running around with big
			egos, big paychecks, outta shape.  

			Would be better if they were allowed to carry
			the bat with them after hitting it ball, and
			if each fielder had a bat too, to try and
			prevent them from taking each base.  The catcher
			gets a bat with a spike through it.

	Basketball:	Bunch of tall, geeky looking sissy marys is
			wicked expensive sneakers running up and down
			like Pavlovs dogs, all inside a 24 second time
			window.

			Would be better if they let some short guys
			with machetes play, and they could whack the
			big guys in the knee.  The objective would be
			to find and rape the cheerleaders, find Brent
			Musberger, chop off his head, place it on a 
			pike courtside, then get the ball, deflate
			it and let everyone go home.

	Hockey:		Bunch of guys wif no teef who are too lazy to
			play another sport where you have to run, and
			too scared to get in the ring against the 
			current crop of boxers most of who hail from
			the inner city, so they skate around and beat
			the shit out of each other with a skinny stick
			and fists when they get away with it.

			Would be better if they let some guys out on the
			ice on those dirt bikes with sheet metal screws
			in the tires, who would ride around with M-16s
			blowing away all the guys with skinny sticks.

	Golf:		If I ever dress like these guys do, someone
			shoot me...PLEASE


	Bowling:	C'mon, GET A LIFE

	Tennis:		Don't get me started

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         	RUGBY!!!
    
    
    
    hahaha....

    Rugby?  That reminds me of a story from when I lived in The Mile
    High City awhile back.  I used to hang at a sports bar (one of the
    original sports bars, btw) called the Bull and the Bush.  There
    was a bartender there whom I knew from the contact touch football
    scene in Denver's Washington Park.  (In Denver, they have all
    these nice 100 yd. fields divided into thirds, each 33 1/3 yard
    stripe gets a first and 10, basically a_aerial game, blocking above
    the waist, clean rough talented pick up gridiron with some good
    players, you stand on the sideline and when somebody misses a block
    or drops a pass, the QB looks over to the guys on the sideline and
    sez, "you, get in here" and points throws the screw-up out, best
    street ball scene I ever seed.)
    
    Anyways, this bartender guy was kinda short, but a helluva athlete.
    Very muscular, quick, coordinated, about 5-8 or 5-9 but a scary
    football player.  His real game was rugby and he kept after me to
    go out for one of his teams (he played on two league teams).  Finally,
    he said, "chicken?," and I said that yeah I'd come out and that I'd
    see him in the Bull a few days later to get the details.
    
    Wail, I go into the bar to get the time andplace and the guy is facing 
    away from me doing a trx on the cash register.  I call his name, and
    he turns around and smiles - and he's got this fresh scar on his face
    running from the jaw bone in an arc all the way to the middle of his
    forehaid.  Cleat marks, he said.
    
    I'm a bit like Muhammed Ali, purty, and I backed out.
    
    MrT

    All-Star, First ballot entreis to the Academy of the Overrated:
    
    ** John Elway
    
    ** Ozzie Smith
    
    ** Hulk Hogan
    
    ** Kevin McHale
    
    ** Tommy LaSorda
    

    How about ol' Harry Caray? I hate seeing that slob drool all over
    the screen and whine every time his precious Cubbies make an error.
    Steve Stone is a sissy boy, too. He's waiting for ol' Harry to keel
    over and die so he can take over the whole show and sing during
    the 7th inning stretch. They might be, they could be, they are...
    In the academy...
    
                                    Monk

    Cape Cod  overrated  mike?  Shudder  the thought.. great beaches,
    great  seafood, havent fought the perfect lady there yet, but trying
    :)
    
    
    dinz
    

>>                      <<< Note 365.12 by AIMHI::CONNOR >>>
>>                                -< puck who??? >-
>>      Keep trying Rick and this time take the puck out of your mouth!!!
  
Hey JRC,

(Sorry, having trouble writing with this damned puck in my mouth.)

I wanted to ask my 67 year old mom how to spell it, but she's on holidays!!

Reminds me that she bumped into Bobby Hull and asked him to autograph a photo.
He wrote "Hi Rick, your mom said 'Who the hell is Bobby Hull'".

Anyway, no matter JRC, you're out to lunch kid.  I suspect that you, like
Joanne, may just be a Brooooons fan, and you've watched THE GREAT GRETZKY
skate around your turkeys one time too many to appreciate the guy.

rick ellis

    Dearest Rick Ellis
    
       Maybe Joanne and I should talk to your Granny,she probably
    would let people contribute there 2 cents worth without making
    an *ss of her self and more inportant she knows how to spell!!
    
    NO DOUBTS ABOUT RICK,BOSTON BRUINS DIE HARD!!!!!!!
    
                                      JRC
    
    

    Dinz, why are you trying to fight the perfect lady?  :*)
    
    Lee

    JRC-
    
    Now jump on his case for spelling Joann (no "E") wrong!
    
    Sheesh!!!

>    Dinz, why are you trying to fight the perfect lady?  :*)
    
    Lee

 Cause he's been married before Lee, he knows what it's all about  ;^)

 Dinz, come up to Maine with me sometime and the only reason you'll go back
 to the cape is to visit your relatives....


 mike

    Tommy LaSordid inducted to this Academy?!  Pu-LEEZE.  I hate the
    bigmouth, and the Codgers even worse.  But, he takes a mediocre
    squad, wins the West, and smokes the Almighty A's [sic] with one
    pitcher and a star playing on a broken leg.  This year, the team's
    not much better and he's breathing down the Red's necks.  
    
    The man delivers.  He's a great manager as much as I hate to say it.
    
    MrT

Carlton Fisk's homer in 	There was zero pressure on the guy when
'75 World Series		he hit it cause the game was *tied* at
				the time.  Bench's homer in the 71 playoffs 
				against Pittsburgh, Henderson's in '86, ... 
				now those were dramatic.  Plus the BoSox
				went on to lose game 7 anyways.

The Trial			Unfortunately 110.* will always be remembered
				for the Trial.  Far better to recall
				all the sterling entries that spoke truthful
				platitudes about my beloved Tar Heels.
				Whenever I'm in need of a pick-me-up I
				head over to 110 and read any note less
				than 500.

Bette Midler			Gal used to be my fantasy woman back when
				she was truly entertaining with her
				raunchy humor, great voice, great bod.
				Now she's turned into pop America, singing
				Top 40 hits, doing recycling specials, etc.
				Bah.

Big 10 Football			How many years were we forced to watch
				Michigan play Ohio State for the right
				to the Rose Bowl, and how many times did
				we watch either of them get their butts
				kicked by a vastly underranked Pac 10
				school?  Too many times, I'll say.  Big 10
				football is boring, boring, boring, even
				if they had won a Title, which they
				haven't in a very, very long time.

Weathermen			"You don't need a weatherman to know which 
				way the wind blows".  - B Dylan, and I
				couldn't agree more.

NCAA Div I Football "Title"	What could be worse than having members
				of the media tell us who the best team
				is, or even the coaches for that matter.
				Gotta be one of the biggest jokes in sport.


- ACC Chris
    

>    Wail, I go into the bar to get the time andplace and the guy is facing 
>    away from me doing a trx on the cash register.  I call his name, and
>    he turns around and smiles - and he's got this fresh scar on his face
>    running from the jaw bone in an arc all the way to the middle of his
>    forehaid.  Cleat marks, he said.
    
Too cool.

I'm not that purty, so I don't really care if I get banged up or not.

One thing I have found is that the level of fitness required to play
the sport is very high.  I've never worked so hard in my life as I
do at our practices, and while I've seen some tremendous increases
in my personal fitness level, it'll probably be late in the spring
season before I start to feel "rugby fit".

Cleats are a problem.  When you tackle someone, and his team rucks
over, they step over their man who is down.  They are not obligated
to step over you.  Thus, you learn quickly to get an arm up around
your head and get as close to the guy you've tackled so that you
don't get too chewed up.

Bumps, bruises, and black eyes are the norm.  There's also a lion's
share of cuts, but I've been fortunate on that score.

I'm not gonna try and spread any gospel.  If someone wants to 
try the game out, get in touch with Mac and he'll put you in touch
with someone in your area.  It's enjoyable, extremely satisfying
but not necessarily for everyone.


'Saw

    >Michigan play Ohio State for the right to go the Rose Bowl every
    >year
    
    ACCaught fibbing #1:
    
    That's been a thing of the past for some time now.  The last 
    several years it's been Michigan playing one or more from among
    the "B group" comprised by Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State, Ohio
    State, and even Indiana for that right.  Ohio State's been in
    the lower tier of the B group for some time now, this year being
    picked by the Big10 Writers just beneath Indiana to finish in 
    the mid-pack. 
    
    >boring boring boring
    
    ACCaught fibbing #2:
    
    Many say that the State vs. Colorado game last week was the most
    exciting of the season thus far.  The Big10 is no longer a rushing
    league (not that that's necessarily boring, see Oklahoma), with 
    even Michigan having gone to a balanced pro set attack.  Probably
    the most rushing oriented (orientATed to you, Chirs ;^) in the league
    is coach Bill Mallory's Indiana Hoosiers.
    
    >vastly underranked PAC10 team
    
    If anything the Pac10's Rose Bowl representative's have on average
    been higher ranked than the Big10's.  In any case, never has any
    Rose Bowl participant been "vastly" underrated, cuz they're always
    in the top 10.  
    
    >long long time
    
    ACCaught fibbing #3:
    
    
    True, BUT...
    
    This is largely cuz of there is no playoff yielding a true champ, 
    and that the Rose Bowl is an anachoronism that greatly reduces the
    Big10/Pac10's chances at winning the mythical title.  The winner of
    every other conference cain choose its foe, and every year two or
    three conference winners and independents (Big8, Miami, Notre Shame,
    SEC, Penn State, SWC, etc.) has an option to choose a foe that gives 
    them at least a shot at winning the mythical.
    
    Meanwhile, the Rose Bowl generally means one title contender team 
    playing a noncontender and thereby forfeiting any direct title chance.
    The Big10 should concede the Rose Bowl to the Pac10 and let some other
    team hit the beaches and West L.A. and get distracted and lose.
    
    The Big10 should come up with its own bowl a la the Big8, SWC, etc.
    and vastly increase its chances at the mythical.  Of course, if as 
    now seems probable a two round playoff is instituted this wouldn't
    be necessary.
    
    Big10 Tom
             

    >Of course, if as 
    >now seems probable a two round playoff is instituted this wouldn't
    >be necessary.                                     
    
    Why do you say this "now seems probable"?
    
    Dan

    I just think that it's probable that at the next summer meeting
    they'll finally pull the trigger and do it.  Why?  First, the Big10
    in its leadership role among conferences threw open the floodgates
    when they brought in Penn State.  Massive changes, sea changes, if
    you like the writing style of right wing pundits, are underway in
    the game right now.  I just read where the SWC and Big8 are holding
    merger talks.
    
    So, winning a conference Title is going to be doubly difficult, and
    the only blue chip football independent left in a few years will be
    Notre Shame.  Add to that the college game has clearly become a very
    hot property with the television producer crowd, this is why all the
    realignment in the first place.
    
    I think the television producers will finally demand of their NCAA
    lackeys a two round playoff and true champion keeping the current 
    bowls as either the first of the two rounds or maybe of three rounds.
    This would place college football's profit potential even above that
    of the NCAA hoops tourney.  It would certainly be bigger than the
    NFL playoffs and its Stupor Bowl.
    
    MrT

    
    > This is largely cuz of there is no playoff yielding a true champ, 
    > and that the Rose Bowl is an anachoronism that greatly reduces the
    > Big10/Pac10's chances at winning the mythical title.  The winner of
    > every other conference cain choose its foe, and every year two or
    > three conference winners and independents (Big8, Miami, Notre Shame,
    > SEC, Penn State, SWC, etc.) has an option to choose a foe that gives 
    > them at least a shot at winning the mythical.
    
    > Meanwhile, the Rose Bowl generally means one title contender team 
    > playing a noncontender and thereby forfeiting any direct title chance.
    
    In theory, this could happen, but it hasn't been the case with the Big
    Ten in the last 20 years.  The Big Ten has not won a National
    Championship since 1968 either because their conference champ has
    effectively been eliminated before the Rose Bowl or because they've
    given up any claim to it by losing there (Ohio St. 1970, 1974, 1975, 
    1979; Michigan 1971, 1978, 1989).  Michigan last year was the only Big
    Ten team of the 80's that had any prayer at all of winning it all, and 
    even that was a very weak one.  Of course, Bo made it academic by
    losing again to a less-regarded opponent.
    
    The Rose Bowl thus far has only hindered Big Ten national title chances
    in that they haven't been able to win the thing, regardless of the
    competition level of the opponent.
    
    glenn
      

    >The Rose Bowl thus far has only hindered Big Ten national title chances
    >in that they haven't been able to win the thing, regardless of the
    >competition level of the opponent.
    
    And on the other side of the ledger, there have been a couple of USC
    teams which used the Rose Bowl to go earn the #1 ranking.
    
    Dan

    You East Coast bigots have lost sight of the fact that the PAC10 is
    the premier football conference in the universe.  A higher degree of
    parity exists in the PAC10 than any other conference.  This parity of 
    strength results in the winner of the PAC10 having a loss or two and
    thus no shot at the top rating.  Look at the Rose Bowl record, look at the
    other bowl records- the PAC10 entry usually wins.  This yera, both BYU 
    and Colorado (top 10 teams) were lucky to beat PAC10 low-lifes - 
    Washington State and Stanford.
    
    If there is a real national title system, the PAC10 will clean house.
    
    
       

    
    Based on that last reply, put me down for PAC-10 as overrated.
    
    glenn
    

    >not the Rose Bowl per say
    
    Per *say*?!  Ha ha hoo hoo haaa.
    
    But I agree with you.  For a period from about 20 till aboy 5 years
    ago the Big10's problem in football was that it was the Big2.  Add
    to that the hindrance of having an all-recruiting all-choke "coach"
    like Bo embarrassing the entire midwest by squandering that talent
    in the worst manner of "coach" Dean Smif, and you have the recipe for
    underachievement that was been the Big10's during that period.  Those
    days are over now, with State Iowa Illini and maybe even Indiana 
    coming on and Ohio State coming back.  
    
    Slice it however ya want, going to LA once a year and playing either
    UCLA or USC on their home turf is a recipe for disaster only worsened
    by the inability to pick and choose the best Title shot bowl game 
    enjoyed by all other leagues except the Pac10.
    
    Beyond that, the guy's right: The Pac10 probably the best gridiron
    league.  
    
    It sure ain't the Big8, they have two, maybe in some years 3, superb 
    teams and then nothing.  And Tom Osborne has done *his* share of big
    game coaching too.
    
    It ain't the SEC, they're good, but when one squad's up it seems like
    some others are down.  Also mark down the SEC for being the cheatiest
    conference ever.  Hail, U. Florida's Prez had the nerve to whine
    yesterday after getting off easy!  Who's the perenniel great gridiron
    power in the SEC?  Here's a list
    
    1. 
    2.
    3.
    4.
    5.
    6.
    7.
    8.
    9.
    10.
    
    The SEC's traditional power, 'Bama, has faded to pink from the once 
    proud Crimson.  
    
    So then, what about the Almost Close?  Ha ha ha.  Jest kiddin'.
    
    The SWC?  Not bad, Arkansas and in any given year one a them Texas
    schools are up there, the Aggies or whatever.  But they've been 
    spotty too, only now is UT coming back.
    
    The or Big West or PCAA play a good brand of ball, but they ain't
    contenders for Conference of All Time fer sure.
    
    Then there's the Pac10: SC, UCLA, Washington... Blue chip quality.
    Stanford, they've been there and they're a to 20 squad for this year
    too.  Washington State has been very good in the past.  Arizona St.
    is a blue chip program.  You have to go to Oregon and see State or
    the Ducks to find the chump change in the Pac10, and even these two
    have had their days.
    
    The Pac10, overall and over the long haul, is #1 in gridiron prowess.
    
    Big10 Tom

    
    The PAC-10 has a lifetime 34% winning percentage against the SEC.  I
    guess that makes the PAC-10 a better conference, huh?
    
    Hmmm..  100-34=67...

    
    Independents, more specifically eastern independents, have been the
    clear powers of college football in the past 10 years.  Miami, Penn 
    State, and Notre Dame, all limp-wristed eastern boys, took six of ten
    titles in the 1980's alone.  The PAC-10 may have been deep but at the 
    top they've been mediocre at best.  Forget the business about tough
    schedules, there's not a PAC-10 team in the past decade that've
    touched any of those three in their championship years.
    
    If Miami casts its lot with the SEC (as Arkansas already has,
    completely de-legitimizing the SWC as a major conference), they will be
    the top conference of the 90's.  I'd also give the Big-10 an edge over
    the PAC-10, as the Big-10 seems to be picking up some steam while the 
    PAC-10 has slipped somewhat.  This could be a temporary condition, 
    however.  If Oklahoma truely has rebounded the Big-8 is still strong 
    enough at the top to hold on over the best of the rest.
    
    glenn
      

    regard. 54
    
    Your all-time win/loss record has little to no relevance on my 
    position that the PAC10 is the top football conference.  How far
    back do your stats go- circa 1897, 1910, 1934?  Does it include Idaho's 
    win/loss record? (they were once members of the PAC8)  Do records from 
    the 1950's, when the PAC10 was generally weak, having relevance 
    toward my position?   I think not.
    
    The Yankees have a the better won/loss record with Oakland A's.
    Ergo, today the Yankees are a better team.  Ya sure.
     

    re .56
    
    If we count just the 80's the record is still just 35%...
    

    re .55
    
    Glenn, you are picking just the 3 top eastern independents, which isn't
    an accurate comparison to the PAC 10 Conference. To be fair you need to
    include all the east indies, which would move the scale in the PAC 10's
    favor.
    
    Bruce

    Bruce & glenn,
    
    Hate to tale ya this, but South Bend, Indiana is not in the eastern
    United States.  It's in the midwest.
    
    Big10 Tom

    
    > Hate to tale ya this, but South Bend, Indiana is not in the eastern
    > United States.  It's in the midwest.
    
    No, really?  C'mon, T, I was responding to a guy that used the term 
    "eastern bigots" to pump up the PAC-10 in a general football 
    discussion that even included the Big-10.  I used it in the context 
    that it started, as an east-versus-west thing, with (I guess) the 
    Mississippi River as the dividing line.
    
    Yes, Bruce, I'll give the PAC-10 credit for some depth, but my point
    was where's the excellence?  Even with all these good teams supposedly 
    beating each other up intra-conference, I still haven't seen a great 
    team since maybe USC in the late 70's.  Before this past Saturday, USC
    hadn't lost in-conference since 1987, so the relatively weak conference
    competition the last two years didn't affect their championship 
    chances.  Then they get stomped, 31-0 at Washington.  Is Washington 
    that good or was USC just overrated?  I don't know, but it's the kind 
    of erratic play that's come to be expected from the PAC-10's best over 
    the past decade...
    
    glenn
      

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    JaKe

    The 1990 Toronto Blue Jays
    
    REK
    
    PS SOx clinch tonight 3-1 

    1991 NY Yankees

   Red Sox

   White Sox should be playing.

   Maybe they oughta go to a wild card format, like the NFL

   Mike JN

�   Red Sox
�
�   White Sox should be playing.
�
�   Maybe they oughta go to a wild card format, like the NFL
    
    I think Boston beat Chicago in the head to head match up.  Let's see,
    how many years did the second place team in the AL East finish with a
    better record than the AL West division leader?
    
    Besides, any team that most experts picked to finish 5th in a weak
    division cannot be considered overrated.
    
    Mike, just how much baseball do you watch?  Or is it that you like to
    yank the chains of Red Sox fans?

�          <<< Note 365.66 by AUSTIN::MACNEAL "Bo don't know rugby!" >>>

   yeah he do!

   Hi Mac!

   	Hands off that Rugger Hugger!

   	Mostly, it was a chain yank... but I would've liked to have seen
   the White Sox in the running.

   	The only time I was in Austin, I ate at the County Line Barbeque 
   ( the one with a canal or something running by outside ), drank huge
   quantities of Lone Star beer, met a whole passel of Texas Scrumptious,
   and went with them to some big Country Western bar and generally had
   one of the better experiences of the decade.

   Mike JN

    Seems the 'overrated' PAC10 is doing just fine against other
    conferences.
    
    Stanford versus the East Coast team from South Bend
    Washington versus BYU
    
    Academy of the Overrated must include:
    
    U of VA Football- please play someone who can defend themselves!
    
    Matt the Mariner

    � U of VA Football- please play someone who can defend themselves!
    
    Sigh ...
    
    I love it, another ill-informed Virginia detractor.   Virginia started
    playing intercollegiate football about ONE HUNDRED YEARS ago.   Long
    before helmets, shoulder pads, cleats, marching bands, booster clubs,
    and AP Top Twenty polls.
    
    In all those years, the University Of Virginia Cavaliers have *NEVER*,
    *NEVER*, *NEVER*, *NEVER*, (get the point yet ???) had a football team
    that has performed at this level.  *NEVER*.   I've sat through 55-0
    losses to Wake F***ING Forest, fer cripes sake.   I've seen them lose
    to Division II teams *IN* Charlottesville, if you can believe that.
    
    In 1977, the Cavaliers traveled to Texas to play the Longhorns.  Earl
    Campbell (remember him ???) was on the G****MN bench before the *FIRST*
    F***ING quarter was over.  He had already scored FOUR times en route to
    a final 77-0 pasting.  The Heisman voters woke up after this game and
    the rest is history.
    
    I've seen *HUGE* losses to Penn State, Notre Dame, Clemson, Tennessee,
    and Georgia.   Lawrence A**H*LE Taylor put one of our quarterbacks in
    the hospital for a month, fer cryin' out loud.
    
    We've been ripped up, torn up, sliced, diced, and made into Julienne
    fries.  Folded, spindled, and mutiliated.  We've been everybody's
    favorite Homecoming cupcake.  We're the ones they brought the stud
    high school recruits to see so they could enjoy a romp for the home
    team.
    
    And now because Virginia has finally, finally, finally, F***ING*
    *FINALLY* after ONE HUNDRED L-O-N-G and T-O-R-T-U-R-O-U-S YEARS gotten
    itself a decent bunch of players and are playing a schedule of teams
    that was drawn up AT LEAST TEN F***ING YEARS AGO, all of a sudden they
    are over-F***ING-rated ????
    
    GIMME A FREAKIN' BREAK, WILL YA ???   Wake up and see it for what it
    is.   A long-suffering program has finally arrived.  It does not matter
    what they are ranked in the meaningless polls.   All they have to do is
    win the games they play on the field.  So far, they have done exactly
    that.
    
    A much tougher test awaits.  The NC State Wolfpack arrives in C'ville
    to play the Cavaliers this coming Saturday.  Anyone expecting a
    60-something blowout is smoking some serious ganja.
    
    One game at a time, brother.   Get real.  Oh, and by the way, it's
    "UVA", not "U of VA".
    
    Bob Hunt

    $ f***ing
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     \F***ING\

    
    
    Curious as to whether the above Title put Bob "High Blood Pressure" Hunt
    into cardiac arrest.  If nobody from the Charlotte facility here's from
    him soon, go check his cube.
    
    Heh heh!
    
    
    - ACC Chris

                    So what are you trying to say, Bob?

   Mike JN

   Bob? There has been a rumor going around that the Wahoos have sucked
   non stop for about one hundred f***ing years. Please comment as to the
   accuracy of this base canard.

   GO HOOS!
   Mike JN

    Just checked on good ol' Bob.  He WAS in cardiac arrest!  That happens
    though when you do all those cartwheels and backflips.  His eyes were
    this strange shade of orange and his pupils were in the forms of blue
    numeral 1's.
    
    I refrained from giving him CPR, however.  Instead, I whispered in his
    ear that the Cavs wouldn't have to play Notre Dame for the national
    championship.  That quickly brought him around and the cartwheels and
    backflips ensued.
    
    	--dan'l

    � Curious as to whether the above Title put Bob "High Blood Pressure" Hunt
    � into cardiac arrest.  If nobody from the Charlotte facility here's from
    � him soon, go check his cube.
    
    My blood pressure's fine, thank you very much.   It's risen from "#4"
    to "#2".
    
    Which will be nothing like the explosion that'll happen inside *your*
    veins if this Montross homesick thing is the God's Honest Truth.
    
    Bob Hunt

    � I refrained from giving him CPR, however.  
    
    Wise choice, Medvid, a very wise choice.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Bringing up the Montross story in the "Academy of the Overrated" note
    is fine timing indeed.
    
    Seems the religious zeal with which Hoosiers feel toward their high
    school and college hoops teams has carried over to the press, and
    "Unnamed Sources" are reporting that poor Eric is homesick and doesn't
    like his would-be teammates.  All of this has gotta make the logical
    mind question how the hail the kid could ever survive BobCamp when he
    can't even make it much past freshman orientation!
    
    No, I ain't worried about Montross.  It's those overrated Cavaliers
    that burn my shorts.  
    
    
    - ACC Chris

    regarding note.69
    
    I respect a man of integrity- who sticks with a team through good
    and bad times.  No wonder the South held on so long in the Civil War. 
    
    But, what if Virginia goes undefeated?  Should it be considered
    for the 'mythical' national championship having played a bunch
    of Bottom Ten teams (excluding Clemson & a bowl contender).  I think
    not.  
    
    In 1984, BYU did exactly that.  The Washington Huskies were #2 with
    a 10-1 record.  Washington trounced #1 and undefeated Oklahoma in 
    the Orange bowl.  Washington had only one loss in the toughest 
    conference (then and now) in the county- the PAC10.  BYU beat the 
    likes of Weber State, Utah, UTEP, Utah State and a .500 Michigan team
    in the Holiday Bowl.  WHAT A TRAVESTY-- in 1984 and, possibly, in 1990.
    
    That's why I am in favor of a national championship series after the
    bowl games.  
    
    Matt the Husky

   � I respect a man of integrity- who sticks with a team through good
   � and bad times.  No wonder the South held on so long in the Civil War. 
    
    Thanks.  Too bad for your point, though, that I was born in
    Philadelphia and grew up in New Jersey.   Loyalty to Lost Causes isn't
    confined to the South.  Until Grant, Sherman, Thomas, and Sheridan came
    along, the South had much better generals than the North.   *That* is
    what kept them going so long despite the long odds against them.
    
   � But, what if Virginia goes undefeated?  Should it be considered
   � for the 'mythical' national championship having played a bunch
   � of Bottom Ten teams (excluding Clemson & a bowl contender).  I think
   � not.  
    
    Bottom Ten ???  Where is there such a poll ???   I think Georgia Tech,
    Maryland, and NC State would all object to being placed on such a list. 
    Georgia Tech is currently unbeaten and is ranked in the Top 25 and both
    Maryland and State have seen the insides of some Top 40 lists this year
    already.
    
    I've never said the Cavaliers have a tough schedule but some of these
    teams do know how to lace up their cleats, you know ???   The Wahoos
    play 7 conference games against Clemson, Ga Tech, Duke, Carolina,
    Maryland, NC State, and Wake Forest.   They can't avoid these games no
    matter how hard they try.  These are conference games.  Clemson was
    their most serious test but Ga Tech is no slouch.  Neither are State
    and Maryland.  These will not be 63-0 blowouts.  Believe me.
    
    The other four games on their schedule are Kansas, Navy, William and
    Mary, and Virginia Tech.  Yes, the Jayhawks, Middies, and Indians
    didn't pose much of a threat, did they ???   The score tells it all. 
    But the Virginia Tech game is a bloodbath.  It's as intense a state
    rivalry as you'll find anywhere.  These two schools hate each other and
    they go at it furiously.
    
    I'm not going to sum up the schedule.  I've said all along it's weak
    but it is *NOT* a guaranteed thing.  They still have to play the games,
    avoid the injuries, and keep the fires burning.  I'm not taking
    anything for granted.  I've been around this team for far too long.
    
    Bob Hunt

    regarding note.79
    
    Matt, 
    
    Good argument!  You had me agreeing with you until you lost all
    credibility with the following statement!
    
      >Washington had only one loss in the toughest conference (then and now) 
      >in the county- the PAC10.  
    
    But if were goin' to talk about overrated this year, we have to look at
    Miami!  BYU Ripped them a new JimmyJohnson (tm) and yet they are rated
    way over BYU.  The HomeBoys (tm) should be required to go to the
    Holiday Bowl and take anoter cainnin'.
    
    Bob V.
    

    Thats a new one to me! BYU was WAY overrated and just because they beat
    Maimi and only by 3 points, that is not a ripping score! I don't like
    Maimi, but they are one of the better teams in the country and their
    loss to BYU to me looked like they were alittle lazy in that game,
    compared to the way they looked against Fla. St.
    
    It's too early right now to say who will be where at the end of the
    season!!!
           Just my opinion, and I know it probably stinks!!! :-)
    
                                                       M.J.

>    Thats a new one to me! BYU was WAY overrated and just because they beat
>    Maimi and only by 3 points, that is not a ripping score!

     BYU won by 7 points, and there defense was really overwhelming the
     Canes' offense for the majority of the game.  The result was no fluke;
     BYU was the better team that day (by more than the 7 points would
     indicate).

    I am not a BYU fan, as you can tell from my previous note.
    Yet, in my opinion, BYU was the better team on the field
    in its win over Miami.  That day, BYU outplayed, outcoached
    and outhit Miami.  BUT- if these teams played again, 
    BYU would get killed, murdered, bowled-over, stomped and 
    steamrolled.  Hope to see this the post season.
    
    So - add BYU to the Suma Cum Laude candidates for the 1990
    Academy of the Overrated.  
    
    Delete Miami, its a good team and they play real teams not 
    Bottom Ten cannon fodder.
    
    Matt the Mariner
    
    PS to Bob Hunt-- A tounge and cheek Bottom Ten ranking for 
    the pros and college does exist in a nationally syndicated
    article.  Its quite funny, too bad you don't get it. 

    Funny how our Virgina alum vascillates (perhaps hypocritically?) 
    between categorically disavowing the "meaningless" polls (which,
    in the absence of a playoff, have fundamental meaning) and bragging
    about his team's overratedness jumping from #4 to #2.
    
    Did someone cut one in here?
    
    Less funny is the appeal for mercy that, after a century of just
    plain awful play, they have finally arrived so leave them alone.  No.
    I *won't* leave them alone.  I won't cuz a the WAY they arrived, via
    a carefully planned smooth and straight route along which the only 
    traffic is a series of girls schools, basketball programs that don't
    emphasize gridiron, and one and only one medium tough squad that's
    also travelling Cupcake Highway.
    
    I have a theory, a theory that is purty much unassailable, if one
    links into fact in any objective and intellectually honest way, that
    sez:
    
    
    			Virgina could well end up the most overrated
    			sports team in the history of world sports.
    
    Here's why:
    
    1) No playoff.
    2) Comes from a very weak football conference.
    3) No adjustment for extremely weak schedule.
    4) Ability to find one last cupcake come New Year's Day.
    5) Season-long effect of preseason seeding (which was high).
    
    It's unfair to compare this year's Virgina squad alongside BYU and 
    ClemSuck and Miami of yore.  These guys are playing a geniune phony
    schedule, and it's gonna pay off!
    
    Even if they *do* play one top flight team this year in their bowl
    game, so what?  Win or lose I gurantee that they'll end up ranked 
    higher than a dozen schools who lost more than one game because they
    played more than one top flight opponent and that's just plain wrong.
    
    Big10 Tom 

    So write your Congressman ...
    
    Bob Hunt

    Why would I do that?
    
    I ENJOY seeing you wallow in hypocrisy like a pig in sheet.  It's
    FUN to see you, at long last, splattered with the dung and dirt of
    pure unadulterated self-serving intellectual dishonesty and, Dan-style,
    being proud of it.
    
    MrT

   � I ENJOY seeing you wallow in hypocrisy like a pig in sheet.  It's
   � FUN to see you, ...
    
    Then you're a Peeping Tom.  Only you've wrapped your trenchcoat around
    the wrong shoulders.  Instead of slamming your enflamed fist up and
    down this engorged and erected "issue" of yours, maybe you ought to
    consider just where the hypocrisy lay.
    
    You went absolutely ga-ga and splattered your seed all over the place
    two years ago when The General took his mild-mannered, clean-cut
    graduate students to a Big Ten title.
    
    Yet George Welsh takes a *very* similar group of clean-cut, talented,
    unknown graduate students to new football heights and you're outside in
    the bushes peepin' and mumblin' all the while strokin' and wishin' you
    were there instead.
    
    Give it up, T.  Too much of that can make you go blind.   Hypocrisy,
    that is.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Uh, where would the hypocrisy be in that, Bob?
    
    Big10 Tom

    You're the genius, you figure it out ...
    
    Bob Knight takes a bunch of grad students to the Big Ten title and
    your cheeks and thighs quiver and flush with orgasmic pride.
    
    George Welsh takes a bunch of grad students to a 5-0 record and you're
    calling it the worst thing since the Munich Olympics.
    
    Clear enough for you, Einstein ???
    
    Bob Hunt

    >You're the genius,
    
    Why thank you (blush).
    
    >... and your cheeks and thighs quiver and flush with orgasmic pride.
    
    I like your style, Bob.
    
    >George Welsh takes a bunch of grad students to a 5-0 record and you're
    >calling it the worst thing since the Munich Olympics.
    
    HALT.  Bob's minions played one a the toughest overall schedules that
    year, and he had to wade though a double round-robin in the nation's
    toughest conference.  Also, his squad barely popped into the top 20,
    and only then at the end of the season, and even *THEN* as the fourth
    or fifth (I forget) highest ranked among conference teams.
    
    Welsh's alleged grad students have been busying themselves with William
    & Mary, play in the weakest major football conference in the nation, are 
    ranked #2 in the nation, and are NOT faced with a truth-test in the form
    of a post-season playoff.
    
    >Got it, Einstein?
    
    You making fun a me?!  I'd think the author of such a shabby analogy
    would have some respect.
    
    Big10 Tom

    � Bob's minions played one a the toughest overall blah blah blah ...
    
    � Welsh's alleged grad students have been busying blah blah blah ...
    
    Hypocrisy.   H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y.   HIPP-POCK-CRUH-SEE.
    
    Shut up and go wash your hands.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Read it and weep, T.  Better make sure you run right on over there and
    delete the note before anyone else sees you with your pants down around
    your ankles.
    
    Bob Hunt
    
    
    
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    re: Virginia grad students
    
    Again, Witch Hunt, you stoop latrine-style to imputing statements to
    me that I've never even made.  I've never said a bad word about the
    Cavaliers, only about the rest of the squalor in the Almost Close.  In
    a nation of declining greatness and declining wealth and declining 
    literacy and numeracy, it's pleasant as a Patriot to read about not
    only 5th year senior red shirts in grad school, but star players.
    
    This reminds me of a certain squad wearing the Red & White, a squad
    that's had All-America's [sic], stars, and starters with great frequency 
    in grad school their 5th year.  Both that school and the Red Squad in
    doing this accept competitive disadvantage, which probly [sic] affects
    overall winning percentages and things like that.
    
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    Big10 Tom
     
    

    MrT-- I am in awe.  Your prose is superior.  You are a genuine sport's
    oracle.
    
    Matt the Mariner
    

    T, you must go thru ALOT of tissues!!!!!!!!
    
                                                           M.J.

    Hmmm, so very strangely quiet in this note since MrT's latest date with
    Madame Hypocrisy was so rudely exposed.
    
    Or maybe he's taking a shower gearing up for his next expose.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Nominations have to be presented to this year's edition of the
    Oakland A's. Unstopable, unbeatable and the best in the game is
    what most authorities would have us all believe. The A's will have to
    be every bit of that and more to pull this one off.
    
    
    BoB

 >   what most authorities would have us all believe. The A's will have to
 >   be every bit of that and more to pull this one off.
    
    Why?  The Reds certainly didn't overwhelm last game, and all they did
    was hold serve on the home court.  If the A's do the same, we'll be
    heading back to Riverfront with Welch and Stewart pitching for the
    championship!
    
    ML

	Browning vs Moore tonight, advantage Reds.

	Should Oakland win 3 straight, this would also be the matchup in game
	6 in Cincinnati.

    
      BERNIE KOSAR..IRVING FRYAR..WADE BOGGS..HERSCHEL WALKER..
    
      JIM KELLY..ROGER CLEMENS..
    

    
    
    Tone Loc... heck, one album/cd flash in the pan...

    
    Ronnie Lott:   Couldn't make it through a season without missing 
                   6 games. Was beaten so bad at CB. They decided to place
                   him twenty yards in front of the ball at the saftey
                   position. Last on the pile and the last to get up.
    
    Bill Walsh:    Of rating Ronnie Lott as and ALL-Pro Cornerback on
                   a Sunday game. He took Lott out of CB because he
                   saw more names(back of the jersy) run by him then
                   Interceptions. Taking the Credit for Joe M.
    
    Buddy Rayn:    Left the Bears, went to a system that was starting to
                   work, and has driven it to where the bears where before
                   Ditka became coach.
    
    The Boz:       See what happens when you talk about a coach or a team.
    
    Tony Dorsett:  Who couldn't run behind the Cowboys line. Fumbled the
                   ball away more then Chuck Muncie ever did, during
                   critical Games.
    
    Don King:      Promoter, wants to find out how the wrestling league
                   set's up it's matches, would like to see if there could
                   be even bigger Money made if the good boxer loses to 
                   bad boxer ever once in awhile. I've heard he is now a
                   agent for some football player.
    
    Jim Evrett (sp) Has the WR but still is having a problem. Dan Marino
                   has seen worse days the Jim will ever see.