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| 353.1 | Great artical | BSS::BAUDSHOP | Oh Well, Try Again Next Year | Mon Sep 10 1990 14:03 | 11 |
| That was a great artical, thanks for sharing it. The one thing I would
like to see addressed in youth sports is the competence of the people
who are coaching the players on the feild. There are so many people
who know the game but know nothing or at least very little about proper
conditioning of these kids. I feel there should be some kind of
ceritification for those individuals who coach kids in sports. Does
anyone know of such a requirement? I know there are required
ceritifications for jr high coaches and high school coaches but what
about the park and rec type of coaches?
Thanks again for sharing the artical.
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| 353.2 | Foot halfway implanted in cheek :-) | AKOV06::DCARR | Just call me Carr-nac | Mon Sep 10 1990 14:58 | 11 |
| I read the article in the paper, and the one thing I couldn't believe
is that 71% didn't care if they kept score or not! What are we
raising here, a bunch of tofu-eating wimps with no competitive drive?
No wonder we lose in Little League to the Orientals...
Geez, fantasy sports future doesn't look too good in THESE kids hands,
eh?
ML
(My apologies to those that eat tofu, like it, and aren't wimps :-)
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| 353.3 | Good article Mikey. Author needs a dictionary though. :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Sep 11 1990 11:12 | 14 |
| Re: certification, etc.
It's hard enough to recruit parents for coaching Little League
Baseball, Youth Soccer, and other sports and activities for the younger
kids, but if you force certification programs on these people, these
sports would not survive. I also feel that the less formal you keep
these things, the more fun the kids will likely have.
Being a parent who coaches and/or assists at every sport both my kids
get involved in, I would not be able to afford the time and money to
attend formal certification training for everything. Bottom line- the
kids wouldn't benefit at all, I think.
Hawk
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| 353.4 | ex | SASE::SZABO | | Tue Sep 11 1990 12:50 | 39 |
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Well, someone pointed out to me through mail the advantages of
certification of youth sports coaches and I must admit that I
agree. Here's what he said........
<Header removed to preserve anonymity of sender>
Subj: Respectfully disagree
Hi John,
Have to disagree with you on this. Parents who want
to coach should go through certification programs. The point of the
programs is to teach the parent/coach that these are KIDS that you are
dealing with. These programs do not take very long(mine were 4hrs hours
apiece) so time is not really an issue plus they do not cost very much, and
most leagues will reimburse you for all/part of the cost.
Having a coach/parent go through certification will hopefully
help get rid of the bad coaches.
Later
Leo Lapointe IDAHO::LAPOINTE ACO/P59 dtn:232-2562 Big Bruins fan
PS. I do agree that it is hard to get parents involved. :-)
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| 353.5 | | QUASER::JOHNSTON | LegitimateSportingPurpose?E.S.A.D.! | Tue Sep 11 1990 13:24 | 5 |
| � (My apologies to those that eat tofu, like it, and aren't wimps :-)
That'd be like apologizing to air (nobody there)
Mike JN
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| 353.6 | Coaching certification | BTOVT::TATRO_B | | Tue Sep 11 1990 13:26 | 24 |
| re .1 coaching certfication:
It's required in our town that anyone who coaches anything
( any sport, any age until high school ) be certified by the
National Youth Sports Coaches Assosciation that Mike mentioned
in the article in the base note. Certification is a result of
watching a series of videos on the psychology of kids, on conditioning,
first-aid and specific coaching tips on the sport the coach is
involved with. Videos are followed by discussions and a written exam.
The benefit of the program is twofold; this professional training
through the videos teaches a great deal and succesful completion
of the exam certifies the coach and automatically entitles him/her
to $500,000 in liability and if every team in whatever league he's
in ( Little League, soccer, etc. ) has at least one certified coach
than the league is covered for $1,000,000 in liability insurance.
I would highly recommend the program to all of you as it helps good
coaches get better and helps those coaches who coach out of ego or
only to win get a different perspective on sports. I've got the
NYSCA address; if any of you are interested, send me a note.
Bart
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| 353.7 | | FSHQA2::AWASKOM | | Wed Sep 12 1990 08:03 | 17 |
| I know that I've always appreciated coaches that had at least some
first aid training, and a minimal certification sounds like a good
idea.
I also know that last winter, we had one soccer team (indoor,
U-19's - high school seniors and juniors) that basically didn't *have*
an adult coach. Whatever parent was there that night got asked to
stand in the box and look 'official' to fulfill the 'you must have an
adult coach' requirement. The kids wanted to play that badly, and
because of internal politics, had been specifically included *out* of
any officially coached team. Sometimes ya gotta roll with the punches.
Has anyone got yesterday's USA Today? I'm interested in the whole
week's series, and didn't get a copy of that issue.
A&W
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| 353.8 | | SASE::SZABO | | Wed Sep 12 1990 09:20 | 12 |
| I believe it was NBC that aired a special last night to coincide with
the USA Today series on this topic. Unfortunately, because of the
programming delay from the President's speech (or whatever he did), the
time it aired got pushed way out and I just couldn't watch much of it.
One thing I'm really curious about. Why did they say that tackle
football turned out much safer than other sports such as soccer, for
instance? Just when they went into explaining it, I got interrupted.
Interesting stuff.....
Hawk
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| 353.9 | ha | COBRA::DINSMORE | Rodney Hampton...ROY | Wed Sep 12 1990 09:47 | 7 |
| hawks,
ya got interrupted? ha.. was the woodie acting up?
dinz
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| 353.10 | leave it tO the dinz! | SASE::SZABO | | Wed Sep 12 1990 10:00 | 7 |
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dinz, the hanDle was only shellaced halfWay up so i Decided to fInish
the job........
send me mail :-)
haWk
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| 353.11 | | CAM::WAY | Batman plays rugby...Robin plays softball | Wed Sep 12 1990 10:11 | 17 |
| Send me femail ;^)
I didn't see TV lasted night. This is just a guess, but I'd bet that
tackle football is safer than the other sports for a few reasons.
First, I've seen young kids play, and the pace of the game is fairly
slow. Probably the most prevalent injury in football is knees, and logically
one could postulate that the incidents of knee injuries goes up with
the pace of the game, so that you start seeing them first in high school.
Second, because the game is a contact game, people are much more aware
of the safety aspect, and pay special attention to equipment and
conditioning.
That'd be my best guess....
'Saw
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| 353.12 | only saw a little bit... | CSTEAM::FARLEY | Have YOU seen Elvis today?? | Wed Sep 12 1990 11:12 | 15 |
| By the time I got home from class last night, it was almost 11:00PM
(yawn!) and the show had just begun (i guess) to cover the injury
issue.
Fottsaball was rated as safer than most FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T HIT
PUBERTY. The kiddies are lightweight and cain't hit,tackle, etc.
with much force. When they get to HS, the injury dastistics(tm)
go thru the roof. (oh yeah, the pads, helmets etc. w/the little
ones also help.)
HTH,
maybe more later,
Kev
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| 353.13 | | CAM::WAY | Batman plays rugby...Robin plays softball | Wed Sep 12 1990 12:56 | 19 |
| Agreed Kev --
During our warmup run last night at practice we circled by a
football field in Colt Park several times. There was a midget football
game going on.
The pace of the game was so SLOW. It was almost like watching pro
football in slow motion. The QB took the snap, and made the handoff.
The DL breaking through was coming so slow I almost could have
yelled out to the other back in the backfield to block him, and
whammo (again in slo-mo) the DL hit the RB for a three yard loss.
In that time I must have covered 20-30 yards, and I'm just a slow
old guy....;^)
Once these kids hit puberty, the pace picks up, muscle mass increases,
and the injuries start....
'Saw
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| 353.14 | Mixed messages - evidence rampant in this notesfile | AUSTIN::MACNEAL | Bo don't know rugby! | Tue Sep 25 1990 15:24 | 8 |
| It was interesting reading some of the comments in here after reading
the "if you can't win it all, don't bother" arguments in the Red Sox
notes. What kind of message are we sending kids when at one point we
get on Little League coaches/parents for pushing kids too hard and then
start yelling at the hometown team on the tube for failing to win the
big one. The Pros are expected to act professionally, yet get blasted
when they start treating the game as the job it really is, or when they
don't seem to be taking it seriously enough.
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| 353.15 | Hypocrisy runs rampant, but don't expect anybody to confess. | RHETT::KNORR | I'm off to see Dean! | Tue Sep 25 1990 15:50 | 13 |
| re: -1
Excellent comments. What more proof do you need than having Dean Smith
be labeled "overrated" when his academic record is almost unmatched and
his integrity beyond question.
(These same people who moan about how overrated Dean is will be quick
to point out what a joke academics is for college jocks though.)
:^(
- ACC Chris
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| 353.16 | Excellent point, Mac | BUILD::MORGAN | Bogg Watch: 19 to go | Tue Sep 25 1990 16:19 | 1 |
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| 353.17 | Different messages - not mixed (IMO) | AKOV06::DCARR | Too bad we cant vote the DEC ins out | Wed Sep 26 1990 12:36 | 41 |
| Mac, tho' I know whatcha mean, I don't agree with all of your points.
> It was interesting reading some of the comments in here after reading
> the "if you can't win it all, don't bother" arguments in the Red Sox
> notes. What kind of message are we sending kids when at one point we
> get on Little League coaches/parents for pushing kids too hard and then
> start yelling at the hometown team on the tube for failing to win the
> big one.
I don't think parents are sending conflicting messages at all here:
The kids are supposed to be playing a "game", and the pros are supposed
to be "working". Parents should push kids to excel at THEIR job (i.e.
get A's in school), but shouldn't put the same emphasis on sport.
Clearly, parents put too much emphasis on winning in Little League.
> The Pros are expected to act professionally, yet get blasted
> when they start treating the game as the job it really is, or when they
> don't seem to be taking it seriously enough.
If I'm not mistaken, nobody in REDSOX was blasting the PLAYERS at all.
My beef (and, I believe, the others that agreed with me) was that the
ORGANIZATION (i.e. owners, front office, management) does not appear to
be willing to "sacrifice the future to win it all now"... In fact, Lou
Gorman admits as much every time he explains why he didn't make his
latest trade:
"Wellitshardtomakeatradewithonly10daysleftintheseasonandbesideswetried
tomakeatrade,severaltradesinfact,buteverybodywasaskingtoomuchfortheir
playerandI'mnotwillingtosacrificeourfutureforhelpnow,especiallyifthat
playerisafreeagentandmaynotbearoundnextyear."
It's this type of attitude by management (just be competitive, draw 2.5
million, don't pay any free agents too much, and we can all make money,
get a tan and have a nice summer playing outside :-) that we (I) am
blasting... I want the Sox to be like the A's (or even the Blue
Jays) and trade every freakin' farmhand they got! if it will bring us a
world championship!!!
ML
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| 353.18 | | FSHQA2::AWASKOM | | Wed Sep 26 1990 13:21 | 19 |
| At some point, probably during high school, maybe during college, an
individual decides on his/her career objectives. For some, the
objective becomes being a player in professional sports. (In fact,
there may be multiple points where this decision is remade.) Prior to that
decision point, parents should encourage their children to treat sports
as something done 'for fun'. After that point, the individual athlete
starts to focus his attention at becoming the best that he can be.
That's the point where winning becomes the object. I would argue that
for both high school and college sports, you have a mix of athlete
'types', and the games should be regarded in that light by the fans.
The athletes themselves know and recognize which camp they fall into.
Their expectations and mind-set and the amount of work they put into
their sport(s) reflects that. (Sometimes this drives the serious
athlete crazy, when their primary team consists of non-pro focused
teammates.) I would feel that my role as a parent at that point is to
ensure that my child had a 'fall-back' objective that they were
prepared for if the high-risk athletic career didn't pan out.
A&W
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| 353.19 | | CAM::WAY | Happiness is a loose ruck | Thu Sep 27 1990 13:59 | 13 |
| I saw this on the back of a rugby t-shirt, and in my idealistic
naivet�, it represents the essence of sports (any sport including
that manliest of manly sports from whence it came) and what I will
ultimately teach to my children on day.....
To win the game is great.
To play the game is greater.
To love the game is greatest.
I couldn't say it any better....
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| 353.20 | | SASE::SZABO | | Thu Sep 27 1990 14:27 | 6 |
| That is great, 'Saw! Perhaps some technoweenie could somehow enlarge
it so it doesn't look so lost on an 8x10 piece of paper? I'd like to
take it home to hang on the fridge so my kids'll see it everyday when
they hang-up their day's schoolwork......
Hawk
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| 353.21 | | MCIS1::DHAMEL | Thumb screws; The rack; Red Sox | Thu Sep 27 1990 15:08 | 8 |
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"Did you enjoy the game, my son?
Quite a lot, I'll bet.
No matter that you lost or won;
Tis all in how you sweat."
Henry Gibson Dickster
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| 353.22 | | CSC32::J_HERNANDEZ | Jump back!!! What's that sound? | Thu Sep 27 1990 15:42 | 4 |
| It ain't whether you win or lose...
Until you lose!!!
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| 353.23 | | AXIS::ROBICHAUD | Dockers... Pants for |CENSORED|s | Fri Sep 28 1990 06:51 | 5 |
| � Tis all in how you sweat."
Nice Dick, real nice telling kids to take drugs.
/8^)
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| 353.24 | | CAM::WAY | Happiness is a loose ruck | Fri Sep 28 1990 08:43 | 6 |
| I dare say a man learns more of his measure in a losing effort than
in a winning effort. Everyone loves to win, but it takes more strength
to lose a game, stand and cheer your victorious opponent, and then shake
his hand.
'Saw
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| 353.25 | :-) | SASE::SZABO | | Fri Sep 28 1990 08:47 | 6 |
| > ....it takes more strength to lose a game, stand and cheer your
> victorious opponent, and then shake his hand.
....without slapping him upside his haid.....
Hawk
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