Conference 7.286::sports_90

    
    Don't know about all teams, but the writing on the back of the
    Cleveland Indians helmet says "This side in back".
    

>
> I've been asking people (in Canada) these questions for years but
> nobody ever gave me a 'believable answer'. 

	and you expect to get one from the clowns in here? :-)

mc

    I don't know about the Mets and their white shoes in the All Star
    games. The logo on the helmets is that of the manufacturer.
    
    hth,
    
    the 'Police

    ON the back of footaball helmets, there is also a warning basically
    saying that the helmet won't protect you in voilent crashes (something
    to that effect - basically, the helmet is not foolproof against
    serious injury, and the manufacturer is telling the players to wear
    them at there own risk.)
    
    The Mets weare white spikes cuz they're the good guys.
    
    JD

>        The Mets weare white spikes cuz they're the good guys.
>    
>    JD

    The Mets wear white spikes cuz they look better with skirts and
    and bracelets.
    
    Mark.

    Hahahaha, nice one, Markie!!11  :*)
    
    Lee

    The thing with the white shoes at the All-Star Game is *not* restricted
    to just the New York Mets.  It's been going on for at least 15 years.
    Pure and simple, it's a "rebellion" thing.   As in "When I'm with my
    regular team, I always have to wear these team color-coordinated shoes
    but now that I'm an All-Star, I'm going to be different and wear
    white."
    
    The Reds are the best example.  Up until just a few years ago, the Reds
    wore only those low-cut red stirrups and all-black spikes.  It was a
    team rule unbreakable even by future Famers like Bench and Morgan.  But
    put 'em in the All-Star game and they would wear high stirrups and
    white shoes just to be different for once.
    
    Bob Hunt
    

    Good note, as usual, Bob.
    
    Hey, my bro' said he met you at DecWorld.  Next time you see him,
    tell him he owes me a sawbuck.
    
    Mark.

    Mark,
    
    I'm history with DECworld '90.  Made it back to Charlotte this past
    Saturday.
    
    Enjoyed meeting and talking with your brother.   Nice to see a familiar
    name in an ocean of strange show badges.
    
    Bob Hunt

    Let's hope Steve Lyons didn't start a weird tradition last night. 
    Maybe the funniest thing I've ever seen happen in a baseball game or
    any other sporting event.
    
    For those of you who didn't see it on the highlights, Lyons slid into
    first and got dirt down his pants.  He said later, "I just kind of
    forgot where I was," commenting on the fact that he got up from first
    base, unbuckled his belt and pulled down his pants to remove the dirt.
    
    When he heard the crowd laughing, he got this oh-my-god look on his
    face and quickly pulled up his pants.  Lyons then stood there looking
    up to the sky as embarassed as I've ever seen anyone.  
    
    I can just imagine what was going through his mind: "This will be on
    This Week in Baseball for sure."
    
    	--dan'l

    Yeah, I saw that too!  He was definitely thinking about crawling under
    1st base!  Good thing that he didn't have just a jock on! HAHAHAHA!!!
    
    H�wk
    

    	Kevin Romine found a unique way to play the Fenway wall last
    night.  That's using the old noggin there Kevin!
    
    				/Don

Good ol Psycho.

I used to talk with him quite often when he was with the New Britain
Red Sox. 

I can remember half a dozen women or so who used to sit near me
in the Box Seats by third base who'd have given *anything* to have
seen that last night.

That's pretty funny....

'Saw

       This seemed like a good place for this:
       Baseball owners were AGAIN charged with collusion for the 1976
    season. Are these guys really that stupid? Some of the players who will
    receive cash awards are:
    Jack Clark
    Jack Morris
    Gary Gaetti
    Dave Righetti
    Dave Smith
    Paul Molitor
       Some may become free agents.
                                             Denny

    Just to add to the Steve Lyons story:
    
    	- when he came back to the dugout, women were waving dollar billes
    	  at him
    	- Sparky Anderson said, "I think he's a chauvinist."  Someone
    	  corrected him saying the word was "exhibitionist."
    

    re -1
    
    I read that Sparky called him a show-vinist
    
    pete

I saw the replay on CNN Headline Sports.  It was hilarious.

He dropped his drawers, then all of a sudden realized what he'd done,
pulled them up quicker than lightening, and looked skyward, with
this really sheepish look on his face.

I was rollward....

'Saw

    I saw it on CNN too, it was great.
    
    
    JaKe
    

    Anyone remember the scene from Bull Durham where Nuke LaLoosh is
    dreaming he's on the mound naked?  That's a fairly common nightmare
    among baseball players.  Steve was trying to live his dream ...
    
    John

    
    Naked baseball...nice concept.
    
    "And here he's going to try for second...Here comes the throw...
    He slides......OWWWWWWW!!!!!
    
    Dickster
    

Whole new meaning to the term "head first slide"

    Or....
    
    "He just barely beat the throw!"
    
    "He just made it by a _____!"
    
    Could get hairy....
    
    H�wk

�    
�    "He just barely beat the throw!"
�    
�    "He just made it by a _____!"


"Stop right there!  I gotta know right now, before we go any
further, do you love me...will you love me forever...."


Always liked that song!

Go MeatLoaf,
'Saw

>
>"Stop right there!  I gotta know right now, before we go any
>further, do you love me...will you love me forever...."
>
>Always liked that song!

	Always bugged me.  Who the hells the idiot who called for the suicide
squeeze in the bottom of the ninth with 2 outs?  And why did the team in the
field not just try for the out at first?  And has anyone ever gone to a game
that was played as fast as that one?  

mc

    STOP RIGHT THERE!!!!!  I GOTTA KNOW RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
    
    Will you love me?  Will you love me forever?
    Will you leave me?  Will you ever need me?
    Will you make me so happy for the rest of my life?
    Will you take me away, will you make me your wife?
    
    I GOTTA KNOW RIGHT NOW - WILL YOU LOVE ME FOREVER?
    
    	Let me sleep on it - baby, baby, let me sleep on it.
    	Let me sleep on it; I'll give you an answer in the mornin'.
    
    I GOTTA KNOW RIGHT NOW - WILL YOU LOVE ME FOREVER???
    
    	Let me sleep on it!!!
    
    WILL YOU LOVE ME FOREVER??????
    
    	LET ME SLEEP ON IT!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    WILL YOU LOVE ME FOREVER???????
    
    	I couldn't take it any longer - LORD I was crazed
    	And this feeling came upon me like a tidal wave
    	So I swore upon my God and on my father's grave
    	That I'd love you 'til the end of time.
    	I swore I'd love you 'til the end of time.
    
    	So now I'm waiting for the end of time
    	To hurry up and arrive
    	'cause if I had to spend another minute with you
    	I don't think that I could really survive
    
    	So I'll break my promise and forget my vow
    	AND GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT I'LL DO RIGHT NOW
    
    	'cause I'm praying for the end of time - that's all I can do
    	Praying for the end of time so I can END - MY - TIME - WITH - YOU!!
    
    	
    	(It was long ago and it was far away
    	and it was so much better than it is today)
    
    NAZZ

>                -< Saw Meatloaf 4 yrs ago - he was tremendous! >-
	
	Ha ha ha!!!  NAZZ, bad enuf you saw him but you even admit it!

	(-:

    
    Hey!  I saw him last year at S.U. and he was great!!!  
    (scary looking guy though!)

    And how about that nubile young lass that sang with him on
    Paradise" and most of the other songs?  Let me describe her
    loveliness with one three letter word - YUM!
    
    NAZZ
    

Paradise (Pair of Dice?) by the Dashboard Light...

No one who's never been there could ever truly appreciate this song.

It is a great tune.  It was really big when I was in college, and
I remember that album cover...f______ phenomenal artwork.

Album was called "Bat Out of Hell", right?  


Ain't no doubt about it, we were doubly blessed, cause we were 
barely seventeen and we were barely dressed....

Thanks for all those words, NAZZ, it really takes me back....

'Saw 

    Meatloaf don't know Zydeco

Yeah, but JimWa, you're just a tad younger than me, if I remember correctly.
You can't tell me you were listening to Zydeco when you were in 
college....;^)

I was listening to Skynyrd, Led Zep, Meatloaf, Emerson Lake & Palmer....
Hell, we didn't even have Cajun' cookin' at that point 8^) 8^)

'Saw

>  And how about that nubile young lass that sang with him on
>    Paradise" and most of the other songs?  Let me describe her
>    loveliness with one three letter word - YUM!
>    
>    NAZZ
   

Ellen Foley...also appeared on Night court for a season before Markie Post took
over her role...I've seen her on a few things since then...

Metz

>I was listening to Skynyrd, Led Zep, Meatloaf, Emerson Lake & Palmer....

Wow.  Look at that lineup....  aaaaaaacccccccckkk!!!

� Wow.  Look at that lineup....  aaaaaaacccccccckkk!!!

Karen, when I was listening to that stuff, you were hardly into
your teen years, so chill out.

Back then we didn't have the way out weird stuff that everyone is
listening to today.  You basically had rock and you had disco.
Nobody listened to disco, other than a couple of classics that
have hung out for years ("Play that Funky Music" for example).

Southern Rock was emerging, with a sound derived mostly from
Blues.  The Allman Bros were classified by many to be a blues band.
Charlie Daniels was considered C&W back then, and Skynyrd had a
big following.   Then there were the Outlaws, Grinderswitch, 
Elvin Bishop, Marshall Tucker, Molley Hatchet....

Led Zep was without a doubt worthy of the name Super Group.  Other
metal that I remember at the time was the emergence of ACDC, a 
guy named Pat Travers, and, hmmm... well it was a long time ago.

Emerson Lake and Palmer was formed from musicians from other major
bands.  There are some very interesting parallels between what
they did, and what was happening in classical music at the time.
Emerson was one of the premier keyboardists of his day, and his
work with Moog synthesizers effected the way many classical musicians
approached composition with those new and unusual instruments.


A lot has happened since then.  You've got to look at music in
relation to the period from which it comes before you can make
any value judgements about it.   I'm not a big fan of a lot
of the atonal stuff that came out following WWI and into the
WWII time frame.  But if you look at the world during those time
periods, you'll understand why it came about...

Well, that's enough Music 101 for all you neophytes 8^)

later,
'Saw

>big following.   Then there were the Outlaws, Grinderswitch, 
    
    Rick Cua of the Outlaws (bass) has his own band now.

>guy named Pat Travers, and, hmmm... well it was a long time ago.
    
    Pat just put out another album.  He went into a tailspin and eventually
    a rehab center after "Crash & Burn".  How appropos!  Some blazin'
    guitar work on that tape ("Snortin' Whiskey, Drinking Cocaine").

    The '80s and so far this year have seen many classically influenced 
    and well-trained music theorists appear in the rock world.  I'd love to
    see the faces of Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, and Paganini(sp?) now after
    hearing how their music is used now ;-)
    
    Mike

    Yo 'Saw.... you're right.  I was about 12 when Meatloaf hit the
    scene.  
    
    ELP and Meatloaf still sip....  

    Re: Ellen Foley
    
    She also sang with The Clash on "Hitsville, UK", from their "Sandinista" 
    album.
    
    re last
    
    Geez, Saw, you really are a Renaissance kinda guy, huh? not too shabby
    for a Liverpool/Whalers fan.
    
    Tom-who-supports-Everton & the Bruins

    Actually, Frankwa, you and I are about the same age. I listened to the
    likes of ELP, YES, Gentle Giant, Genesis (with Peter Gabriel), Traffic,
    Pink Floyd, Grateful Dead, "The Brothers", and some lesser known stuff like
    Television, Triumvirat, Nektar, Steve Hackett, some of the solo stuff
    like Chris Squire's "fish out of water", Rick Wakeman's "Journey to the
    Center of the Earth", even Larry Fast's "Synergy". 
    
    I also had a collection of "Southern Rock"...CDB, Outlaws, Marshall
    Tucker, etc....never did like Skynard though, except for one or two
    songs (not Free Bird).
    
    Additionally, I liked Jeff Beck, Stanley Clarke, Jan Hammer, John Luc,
    Sea Level, and some other jazz like stuff.
    
    Still hate the scorpions, but Zydeco is rockin music.
    
    JoJ
    
    
    

    
    
    
    		Gettin' back to the song, does anyone know who
    		the baseball announcer was, what team he played
    		for and what position he played ???
    
    		No wait, I think he's gonna make it.......
    
    
    	Gilley

    Phil "Scooter" Rizzuto, former Yankee shortstop, current Yankee
    broadcaster.
    
    John

    Fran'saw Chainway,
    
    	"Ghost Riders" by the Outlaws is kick a$$!!!!
    
    	Do ya remember a song by Skynyrd called "Mississippi Kid"?
    
    		"I got my pistol in my pockets boys, I'm Alabamy
    		 bound....."
    
    Claybone_who_loves_most_southern_rock

    RE: .44
    
    
    		HOLY COW...

    
    The Outlaws, my butt.  Vaughn Monroe's version of "Ghost Riders"
    is the bested. ;-)
    
    Dickster Dinosaur
    

    re .47:
    
    All versions of Ghost Riders pale in comparison to Spike Jones'
    version.  :-)
    
    
    Paul_also_dating_himself

    
    	Well Dickster, I cain't say I've ever heard Vaugh Monroe's
    	rendition.  I didn't know your butt was an outlaw  ;^)
    
    	Claybone

    
    Well, I gotta split, but I want to thank the moderator's for their
    infinite patience today, and I mean that sincerely.  In our little
    micro-orgasm of life, we occasionally get off on a few tangents.
    Maybe it's the phases of the moon, or the heat, or the loco weed,
    but the change of pace and subject is something I find refreshing
    in that we get to know a little more about one another, and we never
    get too heavy-handed about it.
    
    Guess we'll have to watch some sports this weekend, even if it's
    rockin' roller derby, so we'll have something to talk about on Monday.
    
    Dickster
    

re  Everton:

	I know it's always a derby, and I know they're cross-town
	rivals, but Everton is probably my second favorite team.
	I really like Southall...there's something about him -- he always
	looks like he's having so much fun.

Re Skynyrd:

	I cut my band teef on Skynyrd.  I ain't no Billy Powell, but
	we did a pretty passable version of their stuff.

	Mississipi Kid was one of the one's I did lead vocals on.
	"She was raised up on the cornbread, I know she's gonna gimme
	some".

	Favorites were probably  "Needle and the Spoon", "That Smell",
	and "Simple Man".

	Used to do a lot of Charlie Daniels too:

		Call up Trudy on the telephone
		Send her a letter in the mail,
		Tell her I'm hung up in Dallas
		They won't let me outta this jail...

Re ELP:

	Emerson Lake and Palmer, to anyone who has any musical knowledge
	beyond the meerest animal urges to the jungle beats of today's
	music, were on the cutting edge of an area of rock 'n roll that
	for a while almost eclipsed true "classical" (read that avant garde)
	music of the day.  Three extremely talented musicians...

	There are few rock keyboard players today who could carry 
	Emerson's music bag in terms of technique and ability.


JoJ, you have some pretty eclectic tastes there.  I'm impressed.
Learn to like the Scorps...it'll round you out.. 8^)  
And hey, we should go to the Iron Maiden concert when they come around
this winter 8^)


later,
'Saw
	

                             * T * G * I * F *

   luvit!  Everything here's gone totally nuts. Whenever I get a
   MINI-breather, I zoom into SPORTS.  Beer Taxes, Religion,
   Veterinarians, music, literature, new (tm)'s.... and I've probably
   missed half of it. Only in SPORTS! 

   CARRY ON, DEWDS
   Mike JN

    
    Ellen Foley was in the movie Cocktail...
    
    Coughlin's law...  
    

Okay...

Now, "Paradise by the Dashboard Light" gets a lot of play in this
50's club I got to every once in a while.  (Place called Boppers).

Anyway, they have a DJ, and his area is done up inside the front
of a '57 Chevy.  When they play the tune, a waiter and a waitress
get up on this little stage in front of the Chevy and act out
the song.  (Some nights, when they're really into it, they disappear
behind the DJ and you see clothing flying up in the air and
everything...)

Anyway, they also do a couple of other tunes, where the bouncers
kind of dance to them.  One is a tune I know come off a Blues Brothers
Album called "Who's Making Love".

	Who's making love to your old lady, while you are out making love...

The other is called Strokin', which I've mentioned before...

(The women go nuts when the bouncers do these songs...always a lot of
pelvic thrusting going on etc...)

What I was wonderin' was if any of the clubs you folks go to ever
do these songs?

'Saw

>    Additionally, I liked Jeff Beck, Stanley Clarke, Jan Hammer, John Luc,
>    Sea Level, and some other jazz like stuff.
    
    Jeff Beck, now there's a guitar master!  I don't think its jazz though. ;-) 
    He put out a pretty decent album this year in "Guitar Shop".
    
    Mike

>	Emerson Lake and Palmer, to anyone who has any musical knowledge
>	beyond the meerest animal urges to the jungle beats of today's
>	music, were on the cutting edge of an area of rock 'n roll that
>	for a while almost eclipsed true "classical" (read that avant garde)
    >	music of the day.  Three extremely talented musicians...
>	There are few rock keyboard players today who could carry 
>	Emerson's music bag in terms of technique and ability.
    
    ELP was a few years before my time, but Kansas has to rank up there in
    terms of classical rock.  In today's world, MIDI and computers in
    general have made a lot of 3 chord wonders famous. ;-)
    
    Mike
    

Well, Keith Emerson always made the life of a classical keyboardist
interesting...

So, Mike, did you survive all that hail I saw on the news lasted night?

'Saw

    Frankwa....I liked your disertation on ELP. To many people ELP means
    "Lucky Man", not "Pictures at an Exhibition" or "Tarkus", or the very
    first album.
    
    Here's one for the ELP fans...have any of you heard the SONG "Brain
    Salad Surgery"? 
    
    re: Mike Heiser
    
    I really like the Kansas album "Masque". I lost interest in them when
    they came out with "Leftovertures(sp?)". But, I managed to see them
    twice before they went top 40.
    
    "Song for America" and "Bringin it Back" are two of my favorite Kansas
    songs from the earlier albums.
    
    JoJ

    Well, since we had a power outage last friday afternoon, just as this
    discussion was starting to peak, and I couldn't get my 2 cents in......
    
    Talkin' about Southern Rock, I'm not a big fan, but one of my fav's is
    the Outlaws(?) "Green Grass and High Tides".  Great ramblin' guitar
    work......
    
    BTW, I don't consider the Allman Bros. Southern Rock, even though
    they're from the state of peaches......  And, ELP was/is
    under-appreciated.
    
    H�wk

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spits some tobaccy juice into the dirt street, and begins to saunter
down Main St of Dodge City.

Upholding the fine tradition of the American Old West, he has yet
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    Jeff, it wouldn't have been so bad if the talk was about decent music.

>>    Jeff, it wouldn't have been so bad if the talk was about decent music.

That's why I killed it, Karen.  If they'd just mentioned the Stranglers once it
might have lived.

j.

>So, Mike, did you survive all that hail I saw on the news lasted night?

    'Saw, I've NEVER seen hail so large in my life!  We're talking golf
    balls here!  The hail had very strong winds as a partner.  My neighbors
    lost quite a few windows from both working together, not to mention
    most of the shingles on their roofs.  
    
    I lost about 6 shingles off my patio and the double door gate in my
    back yard.  Pulled 2, 6" lag bolts right out of the concrete block wall
    on 1 of the doors!
    
    The DEC site (where I work) lost a lot of 30ft. trees, some even pulled
    roots up when they fell.
    
    Mike

I've seen some rough weather in my time, but I've never seen stuff
like what the news showed.  I couldn't believe it...

From 120�+ to hail like that, you guys have gotten your share out there
lately!

Hang tough,
'Saw

    Know what is even funnier?  My wife and I have been thinking about 
    moving to Colorado Springs.  During the storm, my sister-in-law and a
    friend of her's from Carmel, CA. were over.  
    
    Me: "Do you get storms like this up near the Bay Area?"  
    Her: "No, I've only seen storms like this in Colorado."
    Me: "Where did you live in Colorado?"
    Her: "Just outside Colorado Springs."
    
    The noise of those large pieces of hail hitting the houses was
    interesting.  Sort of like feeding your popcorn popper into a Hellified
    Marshall Stack!
    
    Mike

    Please continue the discussion of hail storms in the appropriate
    conference, OURGNG::SPORTS.  Hit KP7, and all that.........
    
    :-)
    
    H�wk

    Ever notice we digress more in the summertime?  That's because all the
    REAL sports occur in the winter and baseball is too boring to keep this
    file going!
    
    Mike

How strong of a wind does it take to blow over an empty semi trailer?  You
should've seen the trailers in back of the plant after the storm.

Mike

>>How strong of a wind does it take to blow over an empty semi trailer?  You
>>should've seen the trailers in back of the plant after the storm.

>>Mike

Oh thats another thing we have in Colorado Mike. It's okay after you get used to 
the sound of trees creeking. That only happens 9 months a year. 

Jeff 

    Clearly, JoJ and Cubbie Bear are authorities on fine music.  Likewise,
    MrT.
    
    Hawk and 'Saw wouldn't know good music if it bit 'em in the arse.
    
    HTH,
    
    Mark.

    Hey Mark, DEVO lip-synchs.
    
    Hope this helps.
    
    H�wk

    Huck,
    

    1. You're correct.  Devo sips.
    
    2. If you're such a Jeff Healy (sic) fan, you'll be pleased to learn
    the correct way to spell his name -- Healey. :^)

    Healey's ok, but most of his chops are standard blues licks.  Cain't
    hold a candle to Duane or Alvin Lee.
    
    Mark.

    

    No argument from me about Duane and/or Alvin over Jeff HealEy, but it's
    refreshing to hear a new album that's good from beginning to end.  Not
    too many like that lately, and especially from the so-called
    "superstars" of the music industry.......
    
    And, just to keep within the tight framework of this topic, "Weird
    Baseball Tradition", I have a tendency to rub my balls before I
    pitch......
    
    H�wk 

Give Healey a chance to develop.  And besides, with his unorthodox
style of play, there are licks he can play which no standard guitarist
could ever hope to.

Actually, Healey reminds me a lot of Hendrix.

Blues is a music that comes from the heart, and deals with more or less
standard every day themes.  A lot of the new music today tries too hard
to get its (oft times hokey) message across, and the music itself suffers
from it.  In terms of straight ahead music for music's sake, I'll take
blues (ranging from Chicago blues through Allmans, Edgar Winter and
Healey) and heavy metal (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest) over this new and
mostly contrived stuff anyday.

Finally, I'll go out on a limb here and say that with very few possible
exceptions, my musical spectrum is broader than anyone else's in here,
and that, more than likely I've forgotten more good music than you
could ever name to begin with.

JMEO (Just my Egotistical Opinion) 8^)
Chainsaw

>>Finally, I'll go out on a limb here and say that with very few possible
>>exceptions, my musical spectrum is broader than anyone else's in here,
>>and that, more than likely I've forgotten more good music than you
>>could ever name to begin with.
    
    Yeah, but you still have a lousy jump shot.
    
    JoJ

>Give Healey a chance to develop.  And besides, with his unorthodox
>style of play, there are licks he can play which no standard guitarist
>could ever hope to.
    
    Balderdash!  The reverse is closer to the truth.  The laptop style
    axeman is restricted to mostly barre chord forms.

>blues (ranging from Chicago blues through Allmans, Edgar Winter and
    
    What?  No Texas Blues?  New York Blues?
    
>Healey) and heavy metal (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest) over this new and
    
    Interesting court trial going on in Reno involving JP and subliminal
    messages.  I've been following the press releases on USENET.

>Finally, I'll go out on a limb here and say that with very few possible
>exceptions, my musical spectrum is broader than anyone else's in here,
>and that, more than likely I've forgotten more good music than you
>could ever name to begin with.
    
    I'm a lot younger than you, but them's a fightin' words!  I'm the
    original music slut in here ;-)  I've listened to and/or played just
    about everything.

    Mike

>         Healey reminds me a lot of Hendrix.
    
    Frank 'No' Way ;-),	
    
    	If you want to hear someone that is reminiscent of Hendrix, check
    out the Ernie Isley release 'High Wire.'  The youngest Isley learned 
    from Jimi himself.  If you really want to bust someone on trivia
    sometime, just ax them to name the band that Hendrix started with.  It
    is the Isleys.
    
    	Variety is definely the spice of life.  My tastes range from the 
    cool jazz of Miles Davis, the Delta blues of Muddy Waters, the futuristic
    funk of George Clinton, to blistering guitar of Joe Satriani, the art
    rock of Rush, and the classic punk of the Clash.  Mix in some new wave
    (B-52's and the Talking Heads), hardcore rap(Public Enemy, BDP), reggae 
    (Bob Marley), soul(Marvin Gaye) and ol' Declan McManus, and you have, 
    the foundations of listening delight.   
                                                            
                                           	 glen j.

>>Finally, I'll go out on a limb here and say that with very few possible
>>exceptions, my musical spectrum is broader than anyone else's in here,
>>and that, more than likely I've forgotten more good music than you
>>could ever name to begin with.
    
And 'Saw you use just about every opportunity to tell us....  


(-:

    
    Well, at least the "my record collection is bigger than yours" argument
    is a welcome change from the usual, and similar, appendage discussion.
    
    Dickster
    

    If you want to hear something reminiscent of Hendrix, check out the Red
    Hot Chili Pepper's version of "Fire". Super funk.  It's intense and about
    100x faster than Hendrix's version.(guess is that it's 1.5')   Robert Cray
    rules when it comes to Blues rock.
    
    Tom (no musical expert but I listen to about everything except
    hick country music and gospel singing).
                                          

    Since this is a junk note in it's purest form........
    
    dan'l, and others interested, gotta check out Rosanna Arquette (sorry
    if I butchered her name) in the newest Playboy.  Just got it in the
    mail yesterday, so it's probably the September issue......  Anyway,
    she's not looking too bad!  Not the best forms I've ever seen, but not
    bad none the less!  Actually, I like the picture of her on the front
    cover the best.  She's totally clothed there, but she's got this look
    that raised my testosterone level......  :-)
    
    Also in that issue, there's a spread on "Girls of the World Cup"! 
    Eleven beauties from different countries that participated in the WC. 
    Will raise you interest in soccer.  Did mine!  :-)
    
    H�wk 

    Folks in Charlotte can follow the skid marks from the DEC parking lot
    to the closest magazine rack.
    
    	--dan'l

JoJ:

	The J is starting to fall better now.  I'm definitely a
	streaky shooter, but if I get hot, there's no stopping
	me. 

	The D has improved tremendously.  Leading in steals now.
	(I always knew these quick hands were good for something)


Mike Heiser:

	You can't be *that* much younger than me.

	Healey's thumb helps out a lot, from what I've heard from
	guitar players.  I don't know since guitar is one instrument
	I've never been able to master.

	Didn't mention Texas and NY blues because that's encompassed
	in the "through" statement.

	I've played myriad stuff, ranging from singing Gregorian chant
	to  some of the most bizarre avant garde stuff.  (Gotta love
	Cage's 4'33" -- has to be the easiest piano piece ever ;^))
	No matter what the form or period of the piece, if it's a good
	one, it kinda "gets ya right there"...that's what music's all
	about, for me anyway....

Karen:

	When you got it, you flaunt it.  I might not know a lot about
	foreign policy, or the law, or medicine, or sports, but music
	is one ground I feel extremely comfortable on....;^)


re JP trial:

	One of the hokiest things I've ever heard.  Play anything backwards
	and you can hear just about anything in it.  Say the word
	attitude backwards and you'll heard do it, do it, do it.  I'm
	sure that a lot of other english words will do similar things.

	Play this note backwards.  For all I know I just told you 
	all to get high on cheese popcorn and to shave your mother's
	heads, and shoot your father in the butt with a bb-gun....

'Saw

    !!!edicius yrT
    
    
    
    !!seotamot laetS
    
    !!MALB ot si tseirP saduJ

    Two of the moderators have already told you nicely that this is not the
    appropriate place for these discussions.  Moderators do have the power
    to delete notes, and I for one am not afraid to use it.  I also don't
    care to see any whining, pontificating, or patronizing over why the
    discussion should be allowed to continue along its present course.
    
    Mac the facist moderator

�Moderators do have the power
�to delete notes, and I for one am not afraid to use it.  


One would suppose that in order for the threat of note deletion to
have any real meaning, that the notes being deleted would have to
mean something to the individual noter or noters in question.

Since I personally don't have any attachment to the notes I've
entered into this topic, by all means, sir, feel free....

Respectfully submitted,
'Saw

>	You can't be *that* much younger than me.
    
    Sure I can! ;-)

>	Healey's thumb helps out a lot, from what I've heard from
>	guitar players.  I don't know since guitar is one instrument
>	I've never been able to master.
    
    Not very many master it, some come close though.  Check out Eric
    Johnson for some Hendrix influence.  He's a Texas boy that cut his
    teeth on Jimi, even recorded his debut album "Tones" on the same label
    as Jimi.

>	Didn't mention Texas and NY blues because that's encompassed
>	in the "through" statement.
    
    Personally, I have a weakness for Delta Blues.  Nothing like some great
    12 string acoustic slide along with a dobro.  No flies on Robert and
    Blind Willie Johnson.

>	No matter what the form or period of the piece, if it's a good
>	one, it kinda "gets ya right there"...that's what music's all
>	about, for me anyway....
    
    Amen!
    
    Mike

Yo, Mac....

While I understand the "reasoning" behind why this discussion on musicians
may not be "sports" related, I for one vote that we leave it as is. Moving
to another conference to discuss it just wouldn't be the same because you
wouldn't have the same group of people discussing it.

Heck, we let you talk about Rugby...what does that have to do with sports?

JoJ

    Jim,
    
    If the same group of people take it to the appropriate conference,
    then, you'll have the same group of people over there with the bonus of
    getting fresh opinions.  If you don't want fresh opinions, you can
    discuss it via MAIL.  It doesn't belong in a sports conference. 
    
    Believe it or not, there are people who read and contribute to this
    file other than that small group of junk noting regulars who consider
    themselves the majority owners of the conference.  These other have
    from time to time, also expressed an interest in sticking to the
    topic at hand (witness the NHL topic)>

    Oh no...I can see the old "In Crowd" argument popping up again.
    
    I see your point, perhaps the best way would be to take some kind of
    vote. I, for one, see nothing wrong with a slight sidetrack to music.
    Mac, you know as well as I do that the music discussion will go away
    shortly, and not pop back up for 6 months.
    
    Personally, I think this would be a dull conference if all we did was
    try to have serious sports talks. The junk notes breaks up the monotony
    of boring serious discussions.
    
    Are you trying to turn this into the Bruins note or something?
    
    JoJ

    JoJ,
    
    	You got it all wrong.  The serious notes break up the
    	enjoyable junk notes........
    
    Claybone

    ...and this only happens during baseball season.  The most boring sport
    of the big 4!

    re: -.1
    
    Funny about that, Mike....I used to be an avid baseball fan, but now I
    can't even sit through an inning. I'll occasionally watch part of a
    game, but it's getting rare that I do.
    
    I prefer watching football now. In fact, NFL Primetime on ESPN is about
    all the football I need to see.
    
    Just starting to lose interest in this stuff to some degree.
    
    JoJ

Somehow I keep hearing Jimmy Stewart, speaking on the Senate floor
saying:  "Mr President, you got to listen to the will of the people"....

I'm getting burned out on Sports too.  I watch football and hockey
religiously, and I like the obscure sports....aussie rules football,
soccer etc.

Baseball holds no interest this year at all.

Am getting more into classic movies also.  There's a big favorite
of mine, which I havent' seen since I was 10 coming on the 
American Movie Classics channel on Aug 15.  It's called
"The Enemy Below" starring Robert Mitchum and Kurt Jurgens.  A 
really good movie....check it out...

'Saw

    Baseball holds no interest?
    
    IMHO, this season is more exciting than many recent seasons.  You
    have teams like Chicago and Pittsburg(H) contending even though
    many experts predicted them to finish in the middle of the pack.
    
    Cincinnati is a couple of years ahead of schedule in leading the
    NL West, and the AL Least doesn't have a team that wants to finish
    first.
    
    This is a great season.
    
    Mark.

�    This is a great season.


Wayne:  No way!

Garth:  Way!

Wayne:  No way!

Garth:  Way!

Wayne:  No way!

Garth:  Way!

Wayne:  No way!

Garth:  Way!

    I agree with JoJ and 'Saw.  Ever since the BoSox pulled a boner in '86
    I've gradually watched less and less baseball.  Since then, I only 
    watched the playoffs and now I'm down to a few games of the World Series.
    I used to sleep, eat, and breathe baseball when younger.  It was my
    best/favorite sport in high school.  I probably burnt out on it.  Now
    it is just too slow moving for me.  I see all the highlights I can bare
    on the evening news.
    
    On the other hand, my spare time has been consumed by me getting back
    to my musical roots.  A love of mine that was shelved in my youth so
    that sports was a priority.  It wasn't "cool" to be a musician unless
    you had your own band and played at the dances, so I became an athlete.
    Now I play in bands ;-)
    
    Of course I MAKE time for the faster paced sports that I've always
    loved.  Basketball is my absolute favorite, followed by football and
    hockey.  As I get older, baseball falls farther down the ladder.
    
    Mike

    Lately, but not since my daughter left for Europe, I've been getting
    back to watching baseball- a half game at the most, and maybe twice a
    week.  I think that kids tend to eat, sleep, and breathe baseball, and
    then when they get into their teens and other interests pop up, unless
    they're allstar players on their high school teams, baseball becomes
    less and less an obsession.  Then, as you grow into adulthood, you tend
    to drop it (the obsession) altogether, if you haven't already.  Sure,
    you still follow your favorite team (teamS, for JoJ!), but now it
    starts getting more difficult to keep up with who's who on a particular
    team, who's new, who's gone, etc.  The more you get away from "inside"
    baseball, the less interested you become, find it boring, and tend to
    get interested only when it's World Series time again.  I think this is
    how it happens to many people, including me.  But then you have kids,
    who mysteriously become obsessed with baseball.  And they start getting
    you back into it.......
    
    Actually, kids aside, if it weren't for ::SPORTS, where there's
    actually some baseball talk interfering with other stuff :-), I
    wouldn't know anything about baseball except for opening day and
    October.  Heck, I don't even have any favorite teams anymore!  And I
    was one of those kids who had thousands of baseball cards and could
    name every player on every team for years and years and spent every
    summer saturday and sunday afternoon in my living room watching 
    entire baseball games!
    
    Hawk

    My baseball interest has waned ever since the 81 (?) strike season.
    The image of millionaires striking ruined the love for the game
    that I had, and while I still follow it, I don't watch as much,
    not get as involved.  The increase in stat freaks, and the explosion
    of memorabilia has also turned me off.
    
    Jd

    JD, I agree with your millionaire comments as well. What really bugs me
    is guys like Strawberry. He's got tons of ability, but only chooses to
    use it when his contract is ready for re-negotiation.
    
    I don't care that they make alot of money. That's fine. But, with the
    exception of a small group of players, free agents (ie, million dollar
    babies) making millions, hitting .220, and striking just turns me off.
    
    
    What can I say...I've just lost interest.
    
    JoJ

    Jim,
    
    Yeah, it's not just the money - but it's the strikes, the holdouts,
    and the thing that really urinates me - contract renegotiating.
     Plain, simple, Bull-hockey!!!  You sign a contract, you adhere
    to it.  Burns me up.   It seems there are only a handful of players
    who are enthusiatic about the game...
    
    JD

    Ya know JD, my disinterest started with Steinbrenner firing Bob Lemon
    after three weeks of play one season. Then there were these superstar
    free agents like Ken Holtzman. Then there was this attitude of "why use
    a farm system when we can buy crusty old has-beens at market prices".
    18 coaches in 18 years. Now it's come to fans booing Don Mattingly, and
    Steinbrenner trying to discredit Dave Winfield and Lou Piniella...two
    guys who don't deserve it.
    
    Yes, I'm talking about my favorite team....no, I haven't even bothered
    to watch a game this year. The reason I brought it up was because it's
    really the Yankees, who I watched religously through the 70's, that
    turned me off to the game.
    
    It was refreshing to see the Cubs win last year, and the Orioles come
    within one game with a bunch of no-names and rookies....that's
    baseball. 
    
    JoJ

    Hawk, "buy" a rotisserie team to stay current.
    
    Mark.

I still enjoy baseball.  I just don't watch it as much as I used to.
I think the plethora of games on TV now is really overkill.  I mean,
I've got SportsChannel, ESPN, CBS, WWOR, and channel 26 out of New London
all showing baseball, and except for CBS, it's almost EVERY NIGHT.

I enjoy watching games with my dad.  As he get's older (he's 73)
I try to do more things with him, because even though he's healthy
as an ox, I know he won't be around forever.

I like the comment about Strawberry.  I find that players like him,
and egomaniacs like Jose Canseco (who try to cover their own shortcomings
by claiming discrimination -- cf the recent Prime Time or 20/20 interview)
have really turned me off to the game.  I am also sick of egghaids
wif sliderules and calculators trying to figure out who was BEST,
Ted Williams or Ty Cobb or Wade Boggs.  

Regarding players who "dog it", watch minor league ball.  SI is talking
about a minor league explosion, and it's because the majors are so
full of dog-it players.  I go to New Britain, and watch the AA Britsox.
Great games, exciting plays, players going all out....

And as far as the egghaids go, I don't understand this obsession with
who's the BEST?  I mean, I enjoy hearing my Dad talk about Ted Williams
and Walt Dropo and guys like that.  And we'll kick around things
like "who do you think was better, Williams or Boggs", but those are
the kinds of things you discuss with your dad in front of a fireplace
over a couple of whiskys while it's snowing outside.  You don't haul
out the calculator and give some hocus-pocus-mumbo-jumbo to
27 decimal places on why Boggs is better...  You say things like
"Well, Williams never smiled that much, but God the guy could hit,"
etc

I think people have lost the feeling of a horsehide ball on an oiled
leather glove, the crack of the bat, and the smell of hot dogs and
beer on an August afternoon with a burning blue sky overhead.
They're all into money, statistics and wheeling and dealing...

It's truly a sad day now that it has come to that....

'SAw

PS  I'm sorry this was so long, and so much on my soapbox, but
    the *majority* of serious noters in here should be happy....

    While I agree with you guys 100%, take a look at today's kids.  They're
    doing exactly what we did as kids- idolizing players, buying tons of
    baseball cards, watching entire games on the tube, etc.  And, all the
    while, being totally oblivious to the very things that turn us all away
    from baseball..........
    
    I love to get into "arguments" with kids about guys like Clemens and
    Canseco, and I can never win!  They're too funny!
    
    Hawk

   Jd,

   	I assume you meant memorablelabia (tm)?

   	Accuracy in all things, dewd!

   Mike JN

    RE: disillusionment with today's players
    
    Read something today where Phil Bradley considered a $1.2 million
    contract "an insult".  He's a solid player, but I don't see how
    he could consider that "an insult".
    
    Consider this analogy.  You're making "x" amount in your current
    job.  You get an offer for another job at a semi-decent raise.
    It may not be as much as you think you deserve, but do you consider
    it an insult?
    
    					Roland who is still shaking
    					his prematurely balding head...